Buff magblade

Iskiab · June 2019

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I’m not sure I care for any “buffs” at this point. The class is playing great right now.

Melee not so much. If you play solo in cyrodiil magblade has a very hard time especially if you get low on health there’s just no oh sht button that’s what we need. As for heals on concealed weapon this skill would help uptime on our major resolve also improving our survivability just like stamblade surprise attack.

Dark cloak.

I play melee range basically. 1k health gen static, troll king, Harness, dark cloak. And shade for “oh ***”. You can play up close. When you add in all the mitigation available... plus rat for mobility... the class is doing fine imho.

If you are a cloak blade... I can’t imagine Zos giving any additional heals. Heals or cloak is a fair trade.

What if you prefer melee up close in your face. If they didn’t intend for melee magblade why does concealed weapon even exist. They should at least add a heal on concealed weapon. Stamblade has vigor I love both specs and only play magblade and stamblade. When I compare the two stamblade a lot easier to play and from what I’m seeing so are the other classes especially mag sorc.

Magsorc a braindead experience. Not really comparable.

Magblade is harder then most specs. Working for the bow proc and getting clean kills is absolutely more work than other classes... that said I don’t think it’s in a bad place.

Melee mnb with concealed does have an argument. It synergizes well with cloak but then puts you in a bad position without a strong hot like on dark cloak. I’m not sure how to remedy that at this point. Add a hot to it coming out of cloak?

It does create a conundrum... I don’t see much point in using it other then semantics of saying “well I’m melee” - swallow soul can be cast directly on top as a melee ability as well. The stun from sneak is nice but fear>>>>>>>>>concealed stun.

But really that is preference. You have an argument but it’s probably not one that Zos is going to do anything about.

Ps. I have seen an uptick in mnbs on Xbox na

This is exactly my point. I love in your face aggressive play concealed weapon with shadow disguise just makes sense but I’m not the kind player that runs or zergs I like 1v1 and 1vx I like standing my ground.

If you want to be on someone's face, you should play a DK not a NB... NB is more about strategic killing... You can try been a brawler but at the end of the day, DKs will still be brawling better...

I have been playing stamblade since eso release on console back in 2015 it is the only class I play check my YouTube channel out stamblade more then capable for brawler build. I play magblade on and of I’m not terrible at it but I feel much stronger on stamblade. This is exactly why I want magblade to get buffs not to be op just to get better healing and rework concealed. Class like mag sorcs magplar are way more appealing better heals amazing damage this is why you see them everywhere and very few magblades.

Yea, I can get on board with this a bit. You can’t discount experience though.

I main a magblade and felt lost when I made a stamblade. I ended up changing it to a magblade instead so I could choose different morphs. It’s not easy to switch back and forth between magblade and stamblade even though they’re similar, some of it might be practice.

If magblade gets a dps buff it should be to the ranged dps. Despite dummy parses being close between classes magblade parses were all done in melee. Take out soul harvest for magblade parses and they’re actually lower then magwardens. It’d be nice to be competitive purely at range and not be like Templars and DKs that are magicka but require melee to hit their full potential.

Vietfox · June 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

I’m not sure I care for any “buffs” at this point. The class is playing great right now.

Melee not so much. If you play solo in cyrodiil magblade has a very hard time especially if you get low on health there’s just no oh sht button that’s what we need. As for heals on concealed weapon this skill would help uptime on our major resolve also improving our survivability just like stamblade surprise attack.

Dark cloak.

I play melee range basically. 1k health gen static, troll king, Harness, dark cloak. And shade for “oh ***”. You can play up close. When you add in all the mitigation available... plus rat for mobility... the class is doing fine imho.

If you are a cloak blade... I can’t imagine Zos giving any additional heals. Heals or cloak is a fair trade.

What if you prefer melee up close in your face. If they didn’t intend for melee magblade why does concealed weapon even exist. They should at least add a heal on concealed weapon. Stamblade has vigor I love both specs and only play magblade and stamblade. When I compare the two stamblade a lot easier to play and from what I’m seeing so are the other classes especially mag sorc.

Magsorc a braindead experience. Not really comparable.

Magblade is harder then most specs. Working for the bow proc and getting clean kills is absolutely more work than other classes... that said I don’t think it’s in a bad place.

Melee mnb with concealed does have an argument. It synergizes well with cloak but then puts you in a bad position without a strong hot like on dark cloak. I’m not sure how to remedy that at this point. Add a hot to it coming out of cloak?

It does create a conundrum... I don’t see much point in using it other then semantics of saying “well I’m melee” - swallow soul can be cast directly on top as a melee ability as well. The stun from sneak is nice but fear>>>>>>>>>concealed stun.

But really that is preference. You have an argument but it’s probably not one that Zos is going to do anything about.

Ps. I have seen an uptick in mnbs on Xbox na

This is exactly my point. I love in your face aggressive play concealed weapon with shadow disguise just makes sense but I’m not the kind player that runs or zergs I like 1v1 and 1vx I like standing my ground.

If you want to be on someone's face, you should play a DK not a NB... NB is more about strategic killing... You can try been a brawler but at the end of the day, DKs will still be brawling better...

I have been playing stamblade since eso release on console back in 2015 it is the only class I play check my YouTube channel out stamblade more then capable for brawler build. I play magblade on and of I’m not terrible at it but I feel much stronger on stamblade. This is exactly why I want magblade to get buffs not to be op just to get better healing and rework concealed. Class like mag sorcs magplar are way more appealing better heals amazing damage this is why you see them everywhere and very few magblades.

If magblade gets a dps buff it should be to the ranged dps

I disagree. I think that if the player chooses the safety of playing ranged then should suffer some kind of consequences, like less damage done.
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Yeah i'm looking at you magsorcs.

Iskiab · June 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

I’m not sure I care for any “buffs” at this point. The class is playing great right now.

Melee not so much. If you play solo in cyrodiil magblade has a very hard time especially if you get low on health there’s just no oh sht button that’s what we need. As for heals on concealed weapon this skill would help uptime on our major resolve also improving our survivability just like stamblade surprise attack.

Dark cloak.

I play melee range basically. 1k health gen static, troll king, Harness, dark cloak. And shade for “oh ***”. You can play up close. When you add in all the mitigation available... plus rat for mobility... the class is doing fine imho.

If you are a cloak blade... I can’t imagine Zos giving any additional heals. Heals or cloak is a fair trade.

What if you prefer melee up close in your face. If they didn’t intend for melee magblade why does concealed weapon even exist. They should at least add a heal on concealed weapon. Stamblade has vigor I love both specs and only play magblade and stamblade. When I compare the two stamblade a lot easier to play and from what I’m seeing so are the other classes especially mag sorc.

Magsorc a braindead experience. Not really comparable.

Magblade is harder then most specs. Working for the bow proc and getting clean kills is absolutely more work than other classes... that said I don’t think it’s in a bad place.

Melee mnb with concealed does have an argument. It synergizes well with cloak but then puts you in a bad position without a strong hot like on dark cloak. I’m not sure how to remedy that at this point. Add a hot to it coming out of cloak?

It does create a conundrum... I don’t see much point in using it other then semantics of saying “well I’m melee” - swallow soul can be cast directly on top as a melee ability as well. The stun from sneak is nice but fear>>>>>>>>>concealed stun.

But really that is preference. You have an argument but it’s probably not one that Zos is going to do anything about.

Ps. I have seen an uptick in mnbs on Xbox na

This is exactly my point. I love in your face aggressive play concealed weapon with shadow disguise just makes sense but I’m not the kind player that runs or zergs I like 1v1 and 1vx I like standing my ground.

If you want to be on someone's face, you should play a DK not a NB... NB is more about strategic killing... You can try been a brawler but at the end of the day, DKs will still be brawling better...

I have been playing stamblade since eso release on console back in 2015 it is the only class I play check my YouTube channel out stamblade more then capable for brawler build. I play magblade on and of I’m not terrible at it but I feel much stronger on stamblade. This is exactly why I want magblade to get buffs not to be op just to get better healing and rework concealed. Class like mag sorcs magplar are way more appealing better heals amazing damage this is why you see them everywhere and very few magblades.

If magblade gets a dps buff it should be to the ranged dps

I disagree. I think that if the player chooses the safety of playing ranged then should suffer some kind of consequences, like less damage done.
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Yeah i'm looking at you magsorcs.

Agreed but magblade I think loses too much dps at range right now. It’s a pve and pvp thing.

Like in pve magblade dps comes mostly from impale, blockade, twisting, merciless and soul harvest. Those are all abilities for magblades that don’t translate well into pvp except soul harvest, which is melee, and merciless.

If a magblade is near max cast they lose a *** ton of dps. If you parse out a magblade using only the abilities most magblades use in pvp (crippling, swallow soul and soul harvest) the loss in dps would be less then half of normal output. I’m not a leet magblade dps so can’t hit the high numbers to quantify it, but I bet only a MagDK... maybe MagWarden... would be lower dps at range then a magblade.

I think that’s too low. Maybe make Soul Harvest ranged? Maybe change impale to a higher health % threshold and lower the execute damage so it’s better in pvp? Idk, I just think pure ranged magblades are pretty weak.

Myself I heal and dps in pvp. I’m finding all the mage and psijiic skills better then magblade skills for damage because they have better passives. Each destro ability has pen as a passive, psijiic has upside too.

Deathlord92 · June 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

I’m not sure I care for any “buffs” at this point. The class is playing great right now.

Melee not so much. If you play solo in cyrodiil magblade has a very hard time especially if you get low on health there’s just no oh sht button that’s what we need. As for heals on concealed weapon this skill would help uptime on our major resolve also improving our survivability just like stamblade surprise attack.

Dark cloak.

I play melee range basically. 1k health gen static, troll king, Harness, dark cloak. And shade for “oh ***”. You can play up close. When you add in all the mitigation available... plus rat for mobility... the class is doing fine imho.

If you are a cloak blade... I can’t imagine Zos giving any additional heals. Heals or cloak is a fair trade.

What if you prefer melee up close in your face. If they didn’t intend for melee magblade why does concealed weapon even exist. They should at least add a heal on concealed weapon. Stamblade has vigor I love both specs and only play magblade and stamblade. When I compare the two stamblade a lot easier to play and from what I’m seeing so are the other classes especially mag sorc.

Magsorc a braindead experience. Not really comparable.

Magblade is harder then most specs. Working for the bow proc and getting clean kills is absolutely more work than other classes... that said I don’t think it’s in a bad place.

Melee mnb with concealed does have an argument. It synergizes well with cloak but then puts you in a bad position without a strong hot like on dark cloak. I’m not sure how to remedy that at this point. Add a hot to it coming out of cloak?

It does create a conundrum... I don’t see much point in using it other then semantics of saying “well I’m melee” - swallow soul can be cast directly on top as a melee ability as well. The stun from sneak is nice but fear>>>>>>>>>concealed stun.

But really that is preference. You have an argument but it’s probably not one that Zos is going to do anything about.

Ps. I have seen an uptick in mnbs on Xbox na

This is exactly my point. I love in your face aggressive play concealed weapon with shadow disguise just makes sense but I’m not the kind player that runs or zergs I like 1v1 and 1vx I like standing my ground.

If you want to be on someone's face, you should play a DK not a NB... NB is more about strategic killing... You can try been a brawler but at the end of the day, DKs will still be brawling better...

I have been playing stamblade since eso release on console back in 2015 it is the only class I play check my YouTube channel out stamblade more then capable for brawler build. I play magblade on and of I’m not terrible at it but I feel much stronger on stamblade. This is exactly why I want magblade to get buffs not to be op just to get better healing and rework concealed. Class like mag sorcs magplar are way more appealing better heals amazing damage this is why you see them everywhere and very few magblades.

Yea, I can get on board with this a bit. You can’t discount experience though.

I main a magblade and felt lost when I made a stamblade. I ended up changing it to a magblade instead so I could choose different morphs. It’s not easy to switch back and forth between magblade and stamblade even though they’re similar, some of it might be practice.

If magblade gets a dps buff it should be to the ranged dps. Despite dummy parses being close between classes magblade parses were all done in melee. Take out soul harvest for magblade parses and they’re actually lower then magwardens. It’d be nice to be competitive purely at range and not be like Templars and DKs that are magicka but require melee to hit their full potential.

Personally I’d like a buff to melee they need to rework concealed put a nice heal on it and maybe minor breach to. Make dw and 2 h scale of max stats because to me magblade should be melee everyone plays it differently though and that is what I love about eso.

Insco851 · June 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

I’m not sure I care for any “buffs” at this point. The class is playing great right now.

Melee not so much. If you play solo in cyrodiil magblade has a very hard time especially if you get low on health there’s just no oh sht button that’s what we need. As for heals on concealed weapon this skill would help uptime on our major resolve also improving our survivability just like stamblade surprise attack.

Dark cloak.

I play melee range basically. 1k health gen static, troll king, Harness, dark cloak. And shade for “oh ***”. You can play up close. When you add in all the mitigation available... plus rat for mobility... the class is doing fine imho.

If you are a cloak blade... I can’t imagine Zos giving any additional heals. Heals or cloak is a fair trade.

What if you prefer melee up close in your face. If they didn’t intend for melee magblade why does concealed weapon even exist. They should at least add a heal on concealed weapon. Stamblade has vigor I love both specs and only play magblade and stamblade. When I compare the two stamblade a lot easier to play and from what I’m seeing so are the other classes especially mag sorc.

Magsorc a braindead experience. Not really comparable.

Magblade is harder then most specs. Working for the bow proc and getting clean kills is absolutely more work than other classes... that said I don’t think it’s in a bad place.

Melee mnb with concealed does have an argument. It synergizes well with cloak but then puts you in a bad position without a strong hot like on dark cloak. I’m not sure how to remedy that at this point. Add a hot to it coming out of cloak?

It does create a conundrum... I don’t see much point in using it other then semantics of saying “well I’m melee” - swallow soul can be cast directly on top as a melee ability as well. The stun from sneak is nice but fear>>>>>>>>>concealed stun.

But really that is preference. You have an argument but it’s probably not one that Zos is going to do anything about.

Ps. I have seen an uptick in mnbs on Xbox na

This is exactly my point. I love in your face aggressive play concealed weapon with shadow disguise just makes sense but I’m not the kind player that runs or zergs I like 1v1 and 1vx I like standing my ground.

If you want to be on someone's face, you should play a DK not a NB... NB is more about strategic killing... You can try been a brawler but at the end of the day, DKs will still be brawling better...

I have been playing stamblade since eso release on console back in 2015 it is the only class I play check my YouTube channel out stamblade more then capable for brawler build. I play magblade on and of I’m not terrible at it but I feel much stronger on stamblade. This is exactly why I want magblade to get buffs not to be op just to get better healing and rework concealed. Class like mag sorcs magplar are way more appealing better heals amazing damage this is why you see them everywhere and very few magblades.

Magblade does not play like Stamblade. (Of previous patches). These might be somewhat closer now due to stamblades front loaded burst getting rekt.

Trying to play magblade like a stamblade could be the issue?

Chelo · June 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

I’m not sure I care for any “buffs” at this point. The class is playing great right now.

Melee not so much. If you play solo in cyrodiil magblade has a very hard time especially if you get low on health there’s just no oh sht button that’s what we need. As for heals on concealed weapon this skill would help uptime on our major resolve also improving our survivability just like stamblade surprise attack.

Dark cloak.

I play melee range basically. 1k health gen static, troll king, Harness, dark cloak. And shade for “oh ***”. You can play up close. When you add in all the mitigation available... plus rat for mobility... the class is doing fine imho.

If you are a cloak blade... I can’t imagine Zos giving any additional heals. Heals or cloak is a fair trade.

What if you prefer melee up close in your face. If they didn’t intend for melee magblade why does concealed weapon even exist. They should at least add a heal on concealed weapon. Stamblade has vigor I love both specs and only play magblade and stamblade. When I compare the two stamblade a lot easier to play and from what I’m seeing so are the other classes especially mag sorc.

Magsorc a braindead experience. Not really comparable.

Magblade is harder then most specs. Working for the bow proc and getting clean kills is absolutely more work than other classes... that said I don’t think it’s in a bad place.

Melee mnb with concealed does have an argument. It synergizes well with cloak but then puts you in a bad position without a strong hot like on dark cloak. I’m not sure how to remedy that at this point. Add a hot to it coming out of cloak?

It does create a conundrum... I don’t see much point in using it other then semantics of saying “well I’m melee” - swallow soul can be cast directly on top as a melee ability as well. The stun from sneak is nice but fear>>>>>>>>>concealed stun.

But really that is preference. You have an argument but it’s probably not one that Zos is going to do anything about.

Ps. I have seen an uptick in mnbs on Xbox na

This is exactly my point. I love in your face aggressive play concealed weapon with shadow disguise just makes sense but I’m not the kind player that runs or zergs I like 1v1 and 1vx I like standing my ground.

If you want to be on someone's face, you should play a DK not a NB... NB is more about strategic killing... You can try been a brawler but at the end of the day, DKs will still be brawling better...

I have been playing stamblade since eso release on console back in 2015 it is the only class I play check my YouTube channel out stamblade more then capable for brawler build. I play magblade on and of I’m not terrible at it but I feel much stronger on stamblade. This is exactly why I want magblade to get buffs not to be op just to get better healing and rework concealed. Class like mag sorcs magplar are way more appealing better heals amazing damage this is why you see them everywhere and very few magblades.

OH!!!! you are a console player, that's explain it all... Of course you wont see MagBlades on console hahahaha. Cant imagine the nightmare of weaving and proccing Spectral Bow using a controller hahahaha In general MagBlade must be a nightmare to play on consoles hahaha

Vietfox · June 2019

Chelo wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

I’m not sure I care for any “buffs” at this point. The class is playing great right now.

Melee not so much. If you play solo in cyrodiil magblade has a very hard time especially if you get low on health there’s just no oh sht button that’s what we need. As for heals on concealed weapon this skill would help uptime on our major resolve also improving our survivability just like stamblade surprise attack.

Dark cloak.

I play melee range basically. 1k health gen static, troll king, Harness, dark cloak. And shade for “oh ***”. You can play up close. When you add in all the mitigation available... plus rat for mobility... the class is doing fine imho.

If you are a cloak blade... I can’t imagine Zos giving any additional heals. Heals or cloak is a fair trade.

What if you prefer melee up close in your face. If they didn’t intend for melee magblade why does concealed weapon even exist. They should at least add a heal on concealed weapon. Stamblade has vigor I love both specs and only play magblade and stamblade. When I compare the two stamblade a lot easier to play and from what I’m seeing so are the other classes especially mag sorc.

Magsorc a braindead experience. Not really comparable.

Magblade is harder then most specs. Working for the bow proc and getting clean kills is absolutely more work than other classes... that said I don’t think it’s in a bad place.

Melee mnb with concealed does have an argument. It synergizes well with cloak but then puts you in a bad position without a strong hot like on dark cloak. I’m not sure how to remedy that at this point. Add a hot to it coming out of cloak?

It does create a conundrum... I don’t see much point in using it other then semantics of saying “well I’m melee” - swallow soul can be cast directly on top as a melee ability as well. The stun from sneak is nice but fear>>>>>>>>>concealed stun.

But really that is preference. You have an argument but it’s probably not one that Zos is going to do anything about.

Ps. I have seen an uptick in mnbs on Xbox na

This is exactly my point. I love in your face aggressive play concealed weapon with shadow disguise just makes sense but I’m not the kind player that runs or zergs I like 1v1 and 1vx I like standing my ground.

If you want to be on someone's face, you should play a DK not a NB... NB is more about strategic killing... You can try been a brawler but at the end of the day, DKs will still be brawling better...

I have been playing stamblade since eso release on console back in 2015 it is the only class I play check my YouTube channel out stamblade more then capable for brawler build. I play magblade on and of I’m not terrible at it but I feel much stronger on stamblade. This is exactly why I want magblade to get buffs not to be op just to get better healing and rework concealed. Class like mag sorcs magplar are way more appealing better heals amazing damage this is why you see them everywhere and very few magblades.

OH!!!! you are a console player, that's explain it all... Of course you wont see MagBlades on console hahahaha. Cant imagine the nightmare of weaving and proccing Spectral Bow using a controller hahahaha In general MagBlade must be a nightmare to play on consoles hahaha

I switched from pc to console and yeah, at first it was difficult to get the hang of it, but not impossible.

AMeanOne · June 2019

Magblade is fine on console. Crazy enough, we know how to weave on console too. I have a 5 star magblade I've only used for bombing for the past couple patches but now I'm really loving it openworld again.

fred4 · June 2019

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me. I agree that having to slot Cloak and Concealed on the same bar for the speed buff is restrictive, but for my playstyle the speed is indispensible and completely worth it. Someone asked, why play melee magblade with a staff. This is why. I stack the Concealed / Cloak speed with 3x gold Swift, Steed mundus and RAT.

I'm not sure I want to complain about the lack of healing. While it's an issue, healing and tankiness only get you so far. Speed scales better. If I can get away, I can take the 6 seconds for Healing Ward to pop, as my build is mostly about damage avoidance. I think being really squishy and having bad heals is a fair price, considering how devastating the build can be in open world (not duelling nor BG).

It is possible to brawl on a melee magblade. Taking on more than one decent player alone is really hard, because of the squishiness of my particular build, however as soon as you are 2vXing, it's absolutely devastating. On thing I love about my build is that it counters LoS, because it's melee and high speed. I might execute players by jumping them with Lotus Fan, but more often than not I do it, because I have the speed to stay on top of them as they are streaking, Mist Forming or LoSing. This is also where Zaan comes into it's own. I'm not sure it would work nearly as well without the speed.

This playstyle relies on high sustain. My normal mode of movement, in and out of combat, is to cast Cloak, interspersed with RAT and Siphoning Attacks. A nice side effect is that the Concealed stun is always available. You gimp your raw damage an awful lot by going with proc sets and that much speed, but for me the all out speed is what makes it work and what makes it so much fun.

By the way, you can play with the Shade, but with the amount of ground you cover with a speed build you'll be frequently out of range and it's not all that helpful.

I mostly play in the revitalised CP IC at present.

Chelo · June 2019

fred4 wrote: »

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me. I agree that having to slot Cloak and Concealed on the same bar for the speed buff is restrictive, but for my playstyle the speed is indispensible and completely worth it. Someone asked, why play melee magblade with a staff. This is why. I stack the Concealed / Cloak speed with 3x gold Swift, Steed mundus and RAT.

I'm not sure I want to complain about the lack of healing. While it's an issue, healing and tankiness only get you so far. Speed scales better. If I can get away, I can take the 6 seconds for Healing Ward to pop, as my build is mostly about damage avoidance. I think being really squishy and having bad heals is a fair price, considering how devastating the build can be in open world (not duelling nor BG).

It is possible to brawl on a melee magblade. Taking on more than one decent player alone is really hard, because of the squishiness of my particular build, however as soon as you are 2vXing, it's absolutely devastating. On thing I love about my build is that it counters LoS, because it's melee and high speed. I might execute players by jumping them with Lotus Fan, but more often than not I do it, because I have the speed to stay on top of them as they are streaking, Mist Forming or LoSing. This is also where Zaan comes into it's own. I'm not sure it would work nearly as well without the speed.

This playstyle relies on high sustain. My normal mode of movement, in and out of combat, is to cast Cloak, interspersed with RAT and Siphoning Attacks. A nice side effect is that the Concealed stun is always available. You gimp your raw damage an awful lot by going with proc sets and that much speed, but for me the all out speed is what makes it work and what makes it so much fun.

By the way, you can play with the Shade, but with the amount of ground you cover with a speed build you'll be frequently out of range and it's not all that helpful.

I mostly play in the revitalised CP IC at present.

Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...

Meanwhile at Range, there's a lot of combinations that can actualy work (for defense, ofense and sustain)...

Deathlord92 · June 2019

fred4 wrote: »

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me. I agree that having to slot Cloak and Concealed on the same bar for the speed buff is restrictive, but for my playstyle the speed is indispensible and completely worth it. Someone asked, why play melee magblade with a staff. This is why. I stack the Concealed / Cloak speed with 3x gold Swift, Steed mundus and RAT.

I'm not sure I want to complain about the lack of healing. While it's an issue, healing and tankiness only get you so far. Speed scales better. If I can get away, I can take the 6 seconds for Healing Ward to pop, as my build is mostly about damage avoidance. I think being really squishy and having bad heals is a fair price, considering how devastating the build can be in open world (not duelling nor BG).

It is possible to brawl on a melee magblade. Taking on more than one decent player alone is really hard, because of the squishiness of my particular build, however as soon as you are 2vXing, it's absolutely devastating. On thing I love about my build is that it counters LoS, because it's melee and high speed. I might execute players by jumping them with Lotus Fan, but more often than not I do it, because I have the speed to stay on top of them as they are streaking, Mist Forming or LoSing. This is also where Zaan comes into it's own. I'm not sure it would work nearly as well without the speed.

This playstyle relies on high sustain. My normal mode of movement, in and out of combat, is to cast Cloak, interspersed with RAT and Siphoning Attacks. A nice side effect is that the Concealed stun is always available. You gimp your raw damage an awful lot by going with proc sets and that much speed, but for me the all out speed is what makes it work and what makes it so much fun.

By the way, you can play with the Shade, but with the amount of ground you cover with a speed build you'll be frequently out of range and it's not all that helpful.

I mostly play in the revitalised CP IC at present.

Caluurion zaan what the 3rd set. I seen build in action makes me salty every time someone ganks me with it but it does look fun and strong melee build.

Deathlord92 · June 2019

Chelo wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

I’m not sure I care for any “buffs” at this point. The class is playing great right now.

Melee not so much. If you play solo in cyrodiil magblade has a very hard time especially if you get low on health there’s just no oh sht button that’s what we need. As for heals on concealed weapon this skill would help uptime on our major resolve also improving our survivability just like stamblade surprise attack.

Dark cloak.

I play melee range basically. 1k health gen static, troll king, Harness, dark cloak. And shade for “oh ***”. You can play up close. When you add in all the mitigation available... plus rat for mobility... the class is doing fine imho.

If you are a cloak blade... I can’t imagine Zos giving any additional heals. Heals or cloak is a fair trade.

What if you prefer melee up close in your face. If they didn’t intend for melee magblade why does concealed weapon even exist. They should at least add a heal on concealed weapon. Stamblade has vigor I love both specs and only play magblade and stamblade. When I compare the two stamblade a lot easier to play and from what I’m seeing so are the other classes especially mag sorc.

Magsorc a braindead experience. Not really comparable.

Magblade is harder then most specs. Working for the bow proc and getting clean kills is absolutely more work than other classes... that said I don’t think it’s in a bad place.

Melee mnb with concealed does have an argument. It synergizes well with cloak but then puts you in a bad position without a strong hot like on dark cloak. I’m not sure how to remedy that at this point. Add a hot to it coming out of cloak?

It does create a conundrum... I don’t see much point in using it other then semantics of saying “well I’m melee” - swallow soul can be cast directly on top as a melee ability as well. The stun from sneak is nice but fear>>>>>>>>>concealed stun.

But really that is preference. You have an argument but it’s probably not one that Zos is going to do anything about.

Ps. I have seen an uptick in mnbs on Xbox na

This is exactly my point. I love in your face aggressive play concealed weapon with shadow disguise just makes sense but I’m not the kind player that runs or zergs I like 1v1 and 1vx I like standing my ground.

If you want to be on someone's face, you should play a DK not a NB... NB is more about strategic killing... You can try been a brawler but at the end of the day, DKs will still be brawling better...

I have been playing stamblade since eso release on console back in 2015 it is the only class I play check my YouTube channel out stamblade more then capable for brawler build. I play magblade on and of I’m not terrible at it but I feel much stronger on stamblade. This is exactly why I want magblade to get buffs not to be op just to get better healing and rework concealed. Class like mag sorcs magplar are way more appealing better heals amazing damage this is why you see them everywhere and very few magblades.

OH!!!! you are a console player, that's explain it all... Of course you wont see MagBlades on console hahahaha. Cant imagine the nightmare of weaving and proccing Spectral Bow using a controller hahahaha In general MagBlade must be a nightmare to play on consoles hahaha

Yeah with the server lag it is very hard but not impossible because I do see some magblades but only ones I know who mains the class. Some of the ideas the players have given me in this post has been very nice so I’m going to try them all 😊

Deathlord92 · June 2019

Chelo wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

I’m not sure I care for any “buffs” at this point. The class is playing great right now.

Melee not so much. If you play solo in cyrodiil magblade has a very hard time especially if you get low on health there’s just no oh sht button that’s what we need. As for heals on concealed weapon this skill would help uptime on our major resolve also improving our survivability just like stamblade surprise attack.

Dark cloak.

I play melee range basically. 1k health gen static, troll king, Harness, dark cloak. And shade for “oh ***”. You can play up close. When you add in all the mitigation available... plus rat for mobility... the class is doing fine imho.

If you are a cloak blade... I can’t imagine Zos giving any additional heals. Heals or cloak is a fair trade.

What if you prefer melee up close in your face. If they didn’t intend for melee magblade why does concealed weapon even exist. They should at least add a heal on concealed weapon. Stamblade has vigor I love both specs and only play magblade and stamblade. When I compare the two stamblade a lot easier to play and from what I’m seeing so are the other classes especially mag sorc.

Magsorc a braindead experience. Not really comparable.

Magblade is harder then most specs. Working for the bow proc and getting clean kills is absolutely more work than other classes... that said I don’t think it’s in a bad place.

Melee mnb with concealed does have an argument. It synergizes well with cloak but then puts you in a bad position without a strong hot like on dark cloak. I’m not sure how to remedy that at this point. Add a hot to it coming out of cloak?

It does create a conundrum... I don’t see much point in using it other then semantics of saying “well I’m melee” - swallow soul can be cast directly on top as a melee ability as well. The stun from sneak is nice but fear>>>>>>>>>concealed stun.

But really that is preference. You have an argument but it’s probably not one that Zos is going to do anything about.

Ps. I have seen an uptick in mnbs on Xbox na

This is exactly my point. I love in your face aggressive play concealed weapon with shadow disguise just makes sense but I’m not the kind player that runs or zergs I like 1v1 and 1vx I like standing my ground.

If you want to be on someone's face, you should play a DK not a NB... NB is more about strategic killing... You can try been a brawler but at the end of the day, DKs will still be brawling better...

I have been playing stamblade since eso release on console back in 2015 it is the only class I play check my YouTube channel out stamblade more then capable for brawler build. I play magblade on and of I’m not terrible at it but I feel much stronger on stamblade. This is exactly why I want magblade to get buffs not to be op just to get better healing and rework concealed. Class like mag sorcs magplar are way more appealing better heals amazing damage this is why you see them everywhere and very few magblades.

OH!!!! you are a console player, that's explain it all... Of course you wont see MagBlades on console hahahaha. Cant imagine the nightmare of weaving and proccing Spectral Bow using a controller hahahaha In general MagBlade must be a nightmare to play on consoles hahaha

As for weaving with a controller it’s easy af if you are use to it you could also use a keyboard and mouse with your console. Only problem with weaving I run into is the horrid lag light attacks not connecting skills being delayed or outright just not happening etc 😑

Vietfox · June 2019

fred4 wrote: »

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me.

That sounds too squishy.
I run caluurions dw front bar + resto willpower backbar + amber plasm and 2 resist set (lord warden + chudan). It works for both gank and brawl styles.

Iskiab · June 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me.

That sounds too squishy.
I run caluurions dw front bar + resto willpower backbar + amber plasm and 2 resist set (lord warden + chudan). It works for both gank and brawl styles.

I like the two 1 piece bonus resists sets too, very stat dense.

Have you tried mender’s ward instead of willpower on your back bar? If you use hardened ward it’s nice. Issue is you need to only use one 5 piece, 3 piece willpower with a monster set, so sustain suffers.

I’ve been playing with pirate smelly 2 piece instead of two one piece resists recently and prefer it too, just wear a costume.

Vietfox · June 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me.

That sounds too squishy.
I run caluurions dw front bar + resto willpower backbar + amber plasm and 2 resist set (lord warden + chudan). It works for both gank and brawl styles.

Have you tried mender’s ward instead of willpower on your back bar? If you use hardened ward it’s nice. Issue is you need to only use one 5 piece, 3 piece willpower with a monster set, so sustain suffers.

You mean healing ward?
Yeah looks nice, i would gladly exchange that 1400 magicka for the recovery and the healing bonus. Thing is that i'm too lazy to do pve content, maybe one day i'll give it a try.
Edit: not sure what you mean by one 5 piece set. I got amber plasm on the body (so it's permanent), caluurions on body + weapons to control the proc and willpower resto just for the max magicka, not the 3rd bonus.

Iskiab · June 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me.

That sounds too squishy.
I run caluurions dw front bar + resto willpower backbar + amber plasm and 2 resist set (lord warden + chudan). It works for both gank and brawl styles.

Have you tried mender’s ward instead of willpower on your back bar? If you use hardened ward it’s nice. Issue is you need to only use one 5 piece, 3 piece willpower with a monster set, so sustain suffers.

You mean healing ward?
Yeah looks nice, i would gladly exchange that 1400 magicka for the recovery and the healing bonus. Thing is that i'm too lazy to do pve content, maybe one day i'll give it a try.
Edit: not sure what you mean by one 5 piece set. I got amber plasm on the body (so it's permanent), caluurions on body + weapons to control the proc and willpower resto just for the max magicka, not the 3rd bonus.

Oh nm, you’re right. I’m still drinking coffee. Yea doing BRP isn’t too bad on normal, getting pvpers to do the vet is hard, but normal you can do with 4 dps or 3 dps and a healer.

Vietfox · June 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me.

That sounds too squishy.
I run caluurions dw front bar + resto willpower backbar + amber plasm and 2 resist set (lord warden + chudan). It works for both gank and brawl styles.

Have you tried mender’s ward instead of willpower on your back bar? If you use hardened ward it’s nice. Issue is you need to only use one 5 piece, 3 piece willpower with a monster set, so sustain suffers.

You mean healing ward?
Yeah looks nice, i would gladly exchange that 1400 magicka for the recovery and the healing bonus. Thing is that i'm too lazy to do pve content, maybe one day i'll give it a try.
Edit: not sure what you mean by one 5 piece set. I got amber plasm on the body (so it's permanent), caluurions on body + weapons to control the proc and willpower resto just for the max magicka, not the 3rd bonus.

Oh nm, you’re right. I’m still drinking coffee. Yea doing BRP isn’t too bad on normal, getting pvpers to do the vet is hard, but normal you can do with 4 dps or 3 dps and a healer.

I got one pve character, which is a healer, and i could perfectly do it on vet. Just need to watch a tutorial first 😅

fred4 · June 2019

Chelo wrote: »

Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...

Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.

Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.

There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.

Insco851 · June 2019

fred4 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...

Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.

Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.

There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.

I’m not sure what you are getting at with zaan? That’s the easiest set to get super quick kills with on mnb imo

Zaan+fear (new fear even better now...) plus a soul harvest is a quick gg for most folks. It feels very ganky tho.

fred4 · June 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me. I agree that having to slot Cloak and Concealed on the same bar for the speed buff is restrictive, but for my playstyle the speed is indispensible and completely worth it. Someone asked, why play melee magblade with a staff. This is why. I stack the Concealed / Cloak speed with 3x gold Swift, Steed mundus and RAT.

I'm not sure I want to complain about the lack of healing. While it's an issue, healing and tankiness only get you so far. Speed scales better. If I can get away, I can take the 6 seconds for Healing Ward to pop, as my build is mostly about damage avoidance. I think being really squishy and having bad heals is a fair price, considering how devastating the build can be in open world (not duelling nor BG).

It is possible to brawl on a melee magblade. Taking on more than one decent player alone is really hard, because of the squishiness of my particular build, however as soon as you are 2vXing, it's absolutely devastating. On thing I love about my build is that it counters LoS, because it's melee and high speed. I might execute players by jumping them with Lotus Fan, but more often than not I do it, because I have the speed to stay on top of them as they are streaking, Mist Forming or LoSing. This is also where Zaan comes into it's own. I'm not sure it would work nearly as well without the speed.

This playstyle relies on high sustain. My normal mode of movement, in and out of combat, is to cast Cloak, interspersed with RAT and Siphoning Attacks. A nice side effect is that the Concealed stun is always available. You gimp your raw damage an awful lot by going with proc sets and that much speed, but for me the all out speed is what makes it work and what makes it so much fun.

By the way, you can play with the Shade, but with the amount of ground you cover with a speed build you'll be frequently out of range and it's not all that helpful.

I mostly play in the revitalised CP IC at present.

Caluurion zaan what the 3rd set. I seen build in action makes me salty every time someone ganks me with it but it does look fun and strong melee build.

Currently it's Bright-Throat. You could use Auroran's Thunder or Spinner, but since switching from Forward Momentum to RAT, I find the additional mag-sustain works better for me. That said, I hate heavy attacks and I hate not sustaining, so it's a personal choice to a degree. I am a Breton, by the way.

If I was playing in no CP, I'd probably switch to Shacklebreaker, as I find break free so much more expensive there. I should add that I cloak away and use Deep Thoughts, if low on stamina and the Immovability potion is on cooldown. Without Deep Thoughts it is IMO not possible to go with 3 magicka sets. Yes, I use all prismatics for 12.5K stam in CP. That alone is not enough. No, I do not recommend Leeching Strikes, since it's one of your very few healing sources and using the stamina morph makes it use weapon crit for the heals.

For what it's worth, my bar layout is:

Caluurion fire staff (restore health enchant):

Concealed
RAT
Siphoning Attacks
Lotus Fan
Shadowy
Soul Harvest

Willpower resto staff (prismatic enchant):

Swallow Soul
Healing Ward
Deep Thoughts
Mass Hysteria
Dampen Magic
Life Giver

Swallow Soul is there for the utility. It's something to weave when it's zerg vs. zerg in Cyro. It's something to do, while you build ulti. It's there for the heal. It's there for farming bosses in IC and hence also the prismatic enchant. The latter can be amusing against vampire players as well. Normally Concealed and Caluu is your best bet, but against some inexperienced but tanky vampires, Swallow Soul with that prismatic enchant can be better.

I've played with Harness in the past. The problem is stamblades. They hit too hard and they don't give you any magicka.

I've also tried other resto heals. In this build they are puny. Cannot get away from Healing Ward, even in it's nerfed state. Every other heal is pretty insignificant, although you will miss Siphoning Attacks, if you didn't use it. Not having SOME healing while attacking is dire. If not players, then taking a flag or fighting an IC boss makes that quite clear.

If you're out of cloak, Dampen is essential. As you uncloak and go through a door in IC, you shield. I wouldn't stand on a flag without constantly shielding or at least meditating for the Major Protection. Dampen and Healing Ward are not interchangeable, at least not in this build.

fred4 · June 2019

Insco851 wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Everytime soneone said ''Im playing Melee MagBlade'' (using Caluurion and Zaan) its mostly that the Sets are killing for you... Because that's not actualy a ''real'' Melee MagBlade, is just the standar Gank/Procc build that just happend to work well with Stealth and Magicka. Try to play the same playstyle with different sets, not going to work at all...

Of course not. Every time someone says something like this, I think it is snobbish, elitist nonsense. When you look at Caluurion, I dare say it was made specifically for melee magblades. The class isn't rated highly for PvP, despite cloak. ZOS threw melee magblade a bone with that set.

Who am I afraid of? Not magblades, who hit me with Merciless. It's sorcs. I also dare you to actually play this and make it work against good players. By the same token, I dare you to make Zaan work. The truth is, you prefer another playstyle and you perhaps like Merciless and Shade. Fair enough, but that's all it is.

There was another thread where someone posted a mag-stacking build. The tooltips you get out of that, and the shields, were in a different league, 1.5x higher than mine. Merciless hit 33% harder than Caluu. At the same time it's your typical mag build, like a sorc or a warden. Boring. If you spec into damage, especially when you're magicka stacking, you can't also have speed AND high (cloak) sustain. As soon as you do, you start eating into your magicka. That 15% (Inner Light + Siphoning) multiplier, that brought your mag up, also makes your magicka collapse, once you take from the base stat.

I’m not sure what you are getting at with zaan? That’s the easiest set to get super quick kills with on mnb imo

Zaan+fear (new fear even better now...) plus a soul harvest is a quick gg for most folks. It feels very ganky tho.

Hmm. The reason I use Zaan is against tankier targets and better players. Caluurion alone will not kill those, at least not in a low stat build so heavily invested in speed (and sustain) as I am. But that's kind of the point. Zaan ramps up. You have to stay on top of people, thus you need the speed. As I am writing this, it occurs to me I could simply spam Lotus Fan, something I haven't really tried. I still suspect that for people trying to LoS or who are falling through cracks in a ceiling, in IC, speed works better, and spamming Concealed obviously hits them harder. Have you ever been Zaand by a noob? It's laughable. It just doesn't work, if they don't also keep up with you and attack you in other ways.

Also, at least with my build, you don't want to be out of cloak for more than a few seconds at a time, because you invariably get focused or counter-attacked. You're only ever one Leap or Dawnbreaker / execute combo away from death. You can't really defend (shield) or replenish your health while you have Zaan on someone. You have to go on attack. It is very easy to become tunnel-visioned and die as a result. Yes, Fear helps, but only if the other players in the brawl are melee and not CC immune.

fred4 · June 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me.

That sounds too squishy.
I run caluurions dw front bar + resto willpower backbar + amber plasm and 2 resist set (lord warden + chudan). It works for both gank and brawl styles.

Wouldn't be enough damage for me. Not talking about ganking damage, but when getting involved in longer duels against tankier players with this type of build.

I've also used Amber Plasm in the past. While it looks good on paper, that set has never convinced me on magblade. For no CP I actually prefer Shacklebreaker. In either case I've never found the stam sustain sufficient, which is why I strategically cloak and meditate. Once you do that, you can ditch those sets altogether.

As to running DW, I recommend you get up to date and farm a fire staff. Why DW? I could see 2H for Forward Momentum, up to last patch, but DW is just terrible for magblade. The enchants were nerfed a while ago and a stam weapon does terribly low light attack damage on a magicka class. Remember that light attacks were buffed. DW is horribly outdated for magblade.

Deathlord92 · June 2019

fred4 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me. I agree that having to slot Cloak and Concealed on the same bar for the speed buff is restrictive, but for my playstyle the speed is indispensible and completely worth it. Someone asked, why play melee magblade with a staff. This is why. I stack the Concealed / Cloak speed with 3x gold Swift, Steed mundus and RAT.

I'm not sure I want to complain about the lack of healing. While it's an issue, healing and tankiness only get you so far. Speed scales better. If I can get away, I can take the 6 seconds for Healing Ward to pop, as my build is mostly about damage avoidance. I think being really squishy and having bad heals is a fair price, considering how devastating the build can be in open world (not duelling nor BG).

It is possible to brawl on a melee magblade. Taking on more than one decent player alone is really hard, because of the squishiness of my particular build, however as soon as you are 2vXing, it's absolutely devastating. On thing I love about my build is that it counters LoS, because it's melee and high speed. I might execute players by jumping them with Lotus Fan, but more often than not I do it, because I have the speed to stay on top of them as they are streaking, Mist Forming or LoSing. This is also where Zaan comes into it's own. I'm not sure it would work nearly as well without the speed.

This playstyle relies on high sustain. My normal mode of movement, in and out of combat, is to cast Cloak, interspersed with RAT and Siphoning Attacks. A nice side effect is that the Concealed stun is always available. You gimp your raw damage an awful lot by going with proc sets and that much speed, but for me the all out speed is what makes it work and what makes it so much fun.

By the way, you can play with the Shade, but with the amount of ground you cover with a speed build you'll be frequently out of range and it's not all that helpful.

I mostly play in the revitalised CP IC at present.

Caluurion zaan what the 3rd set. I seen build in action makes me salty every time someone ganks me with it but it does look fun and strong melee build.

Currently it's Bright-Throat. You could use Auroran's Thunder or Spinner, but since switching from Forward Momentum to RAT, I find the additional mag-sustain works better for me. That said, I hate heavy attacks and I hate not sustaining, so it's a personal choice to a degree. I am a Breton, by the way.

If I was playing in no CP, I'd probably switch to Shacklebreaker, as I find break free so much more expensive there. I should add that I cloak away and use Deep Thoughts, if low on stamina and the Immovability potion is on cooldown. Without Deep Thoughts it is IMO not possible to go with 3 magicka sets. Yes, I use all prismatics for 12.5K stam in CP. That alone is not enough. No, I do not recommend Leeching Strikes, since it's one of your very few healing sources and using the stamina morph makes it use weapon crit for the heals.

For what it's worth, my bar layout is:

Caluurion fire staff (restore health enchant):

Concealed
RAT
Siphoning Attacks
Lotus Fan
Shadowy
Soul Harvest

Willpower resto staff (prismatic enchant):

Swallow Soul
Healing Ward
Deep Thoughts
Mass Hysteria
Dampen Magic
Life Giver

Swallow Soul is there for the utility. It's something to weave when it's zerg vs. zerg in Cyro. It's something to do, while you build ulti. It's there for the heal. It's there for farming bosses in IC and hence also the prismatic enchant. The latter can be amusing against vampire players as well. Normally Concealed and Caluu is your best bet, but against some inexperienced but tanky vampires, Swallow Soul with that prismatic enchant can be better.

I've played with Harness in the past. The problem is stamblades. They hit too hard and they don't give you any magicka.

I've also tried other resto heals. In this build they are puny. Cannot get away from Healing Ward, even in it's nerfed state. Every other heal is pretty insignificant, although you will miss Siphoning Attacks, if you didn't use it. Not having SOME healing while attacking is dire. If not players, then taking a flag or fighting an IC boss makes that quite clear.

If you're out of cloak, Dampen is essential. As you uncloak and go through a door in IC, you shield. I wouldn't stand on a flag without constantly shielding or at least meditating for the Major Protection. Dampen and Healing Ward are not interchangeable, at least not in this build.

Thx very much for sharing you build mate I will give this a go.

Deathlord92 · June 2019

fred4 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me. I agree that having to slot Cloak and Concealed on the same bar for the speed buff is restrictive, but for my playstyle the speed is indispensible and completely worth it. Someone asked, why play melee magblade with a staff. This is why. I stack the Concealed / Cloak speed with 3x gold Swift, Steed mundus and RAT.

I'm not sure I want to complain about the lack of healing. While it's an issue, healing and tankiness only get you so far. Speed scales better. If I can get away, I can take the 6 seconds for Healing Ward to pop, as my build is mostly about damage avoidance. I think being really squishy and having bad heals is a fair price, considering how devastating the build can be in open world (not duelling nor BG).

It is possible to brawl on a melee magblade. Taking on more than one decent player alone is really hard, because of the squishiness of my particular build, however as soon as you are 2vXing, it's absolutely devastating. On thing I love about my build is that it counters LoS, because it's melee and high speed. I might execute players by jumping them with Lotus Fan, but more often than not I do it, because I have the speed to stay on top of them as they are streaking, Mist Forming or LoSing. This is also where Zaan comes into it's own. I'm not sure it would work nearly as well without the speed.

This playstyle relies on high sustain. My normal mode of movement, in and out of combat, is to cast Cloak, interspersed with RAT and Siphoning Attacks. A nice side effect is that the Concealed stun is always available. You gimp your raw damage an awful lot by going with proc sets and that much speed, but for me the all out speed is what makes it work and what makes it so much fun.

By the way, you can play with the Shade, but with the amount of ground you cover with a speed build you'll be frequently out of range and it's not all that helpful.

I mostly play in the revitalised CP IC at present.

Caluurion zaan what the 3rd set. I seen build in action makes me salty every time someone ganks me with it but it does look fun and strong melee build.

Currently it's Bright-Throat. You could use Auroran's Thunder or Spinner, but since switching from Forward Momentum to RAT, I find the additional mag-sustain works better for me. That said, I hate heavy attacks and I hate not sustaining, so it's a personal choice to a degree. I am a Breton, by the way.

If I was playing in no CP, I'd probably switch to Shacklebreaker, as I find break free so much more expensive there. I should add that I cloak away and use Deep Thoughts, if low on stamina and the Immovability potion is on cooldown. Without Deep Thoughts it is IMO not possible to go with 3 magicka sets. Yes, I use all prismatics for 12.5K stam in CP. That alone is not enough. No, I do not recommend Leeching Strikes, since it's one of your very few healing sources and using the stamina morph makes it use weapon crit for the heals.

For what it's worth, my bar layout is:

Caluurion fire staff (restore health enchant):

Concealed
RAT
Siphoning Attacks
Lotus Fan
Shadowy
Soul Harvest

Willpower resto staff (prismatic enchant):

Swallow Soul
Healing Ward
Deep Thoughts
Mass Hysteria
Dampen Magic
Life Giver

Swallow Soul is there for the utility. It's something to weave when it's zerg vs. zerg in Cyro. It's something to do, while you build ulti. It's there for the heal. It's there for farming bosses in IC and hence also the prismatic enchant. The latter can be amusing against vampire players as well. Normally Concealed and Caluu is your best bet, but against some inexperienced but tanky vampires, Swallow Soul with that prismatic enchant can be better.

I've played with Harness in the past. The problem is stamblades. They hit too hard and they don't give you any magicka.

I've also tried other resto heals. In this build they are puny. Cannot get away from Healing Ward, even in it's nerfed state. Every other heal is pretty insignificant, although you will miss Siphoning Attacks, if you didn't use it. Not having SOME healing while attacking is dire. If not players, then taking a flag or fighting an IC boss makes that quite clear.

If you're out of cloak, Dampen is essential. As you uncloak and go through a door in IC, you shield. I wouldn't stand on a flag without constantly shielding or at least meditating for the Major Protection. Dampen and Healing Ward are not interchangeable, at least not in this build.

I’m also a Breton I literally favour Bretons race.

Vietfox · June 2019

fred4 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me.

That sounds too squishy.
I run caluurions dw front bar + resto willpower backbar + amber plasm and 2 resist set (lord warden + chudan). It works for both gank and brawl styles.

I've also used Amber Plasm in the past. While it looks good on paper, that set has never convinced me on magblade. For no CP I actually prefer Shacklebreaker.

I play on CP campaign and works pretty well there.

fred4 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Some of you already know my position. Melee magblade is my main. If you want something that plays more like a stamblade, go with Caluurion and Zaan, like me.

That sounds too squishy.
I run caluurions dw front bar + resto willpower backbar + amber plasm and 2 resist set (lord warden + chudan). It works for both gank and brawl styles.

As to running DW, I recommend you get up to date and farm a fire staff. Why DW? I could see 2H for Forward Momentum, up to last patch, but DW is just terrible for magblade.

I was using 2H last patch for FM but magicka classes don't need to do that anymore.
I got a fire destro already but the reasons why i use DW over a destro are because:
A) i get a higher spell damage
B ) the stamina i get from heavy attacks (this is so important to me)
C) not gonna lie, looks cooler
Edit: almost forgot, i can have 2 different traits. I know they won't be as good as the ones on 2H weapons but i like to be able to mix things.

fred4 · June 2019

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Thx very much for sharing you build mate I will give this a go.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=154786

Here's an edited version of some earlier notes on this build:

Does this build work in CP? Yes.

Does this build work in no CP? Yes, but would probably use Shacklebreaker instead of Bright-Throat.

Is this build easy to farm / get? No.

Does it require the Caluurion flame staff? Ideally, yes, in order to control when the Caluurion proc happens. Note that Cloak -> Lotus Fan -> Soul Harvest results in a guaranteed proc, coinciding with Soul Harvest. You want to withhold the proc while building ultimate on the resto bar.

Do you really need 3x Swift enchants + Steed mundus + RAT? Yes. Yes. Yes. Mobility is your strongest defense and has a very high synergy with Cloak. You also need speed while running after roll dodgers so you (eventually) hit them with Concealed and to keep them in range of Zaan.

Does the jewelry have to be gold? Ideally, yes, to make the most of Swift.

Just how squishy are you? Very.

What do you think of Troll King? Not enough damage. Low time to kill and getting back into cloak is ultimately a better defense than Troll King, however I do wear it in conjunction with Imperial Physique and Caluurion while farming bosses in IC.

Would Auroran's Thunder be any good? A good set because it's AOE, exposing NBs, and the penetration bonus further buffs the other sets. However we get Minor Vulnerability from Lotus Fan already this patch, thus Auroran's has lost some of it's edge. Also, with the use of RAT in place of Forward Momentum, I prefer the additional mag sustain from Bright-Throat's.

What potion do you recommend? Immovability / Detection / Magicka.

Isn't your spell damage way too low? No. It's a proc build.

Wouldn't magicka recovery enchants be better? No. Magicka (Cloak) sustain does not use magicka recovery bonuses from gear while out of combat. This makes some cost reduction preferable along with using Witchmother's and not, say, Spring-Loaded Infusion.

Should I be a Breton? Probably.

Isn't your small stamina pool and low stam recovery a problem? That's what Deep Thoughts is for. Cloak away and use that at half stamina or drink a potion.

Can I perma-cloak with this build? Yes (out of combat).

Can I do that in no CP also? Yes, with Siphoning Attacks.

Where is the Major Sorcery coming from? Not using that. It's a proc build.

Why don't you use the Shade? Buggy, out of range, unresponsive. Fear, Forward Momentum and raw speed works better for me.

Why don't you use Merciless Resolve? Cause you aim to dip in and out of fights before that would ever proc.

Why don't you use Leeching Strikes for better stamina sustain? Because it's one of your few heals and Leeching Strkes uses weapon crit and would thus result in poorer heals. Siphoning Attacks also helps sustain cloak while in no CP or in combat.

Why use Swallow Soul when you have Concealed? For the heal. To have a ranged option for shooting into zergs. For IC boss fights. Against flag guards, where the healing is significant.

Why use the Prismatic enchant? For IC boss fights and against vampires.

Why put 31 points into Thaumaturge when your only DOT is Lotus Fan? For the Perfect Strike passive. The Prismatic weapon enchant uses Weapon Crit.

56 points into Healthy CP? Isn't that a bit much? No. You want the Windrunning passive. Stam Recovery is close to zero either way and you'll rarely heavy attack with this build.

Why put 2 points into Siphoner? Doesn't that do nothing, because of CP jump points? Putting 1 point into Siphoner places an extra effect on players. Even though that effect does nothing, it makes it more difficult for them to purge other effects. The second point is redundant, but I had it left over and nowhere else to put it. [EDIT: ZOS may have fixed this in the current patch. Not sure.]

You turned off Psijic Spell Orbs? Yes. When they proc, they give you away in cloak and subsequently waste a Caluurion proc on a random target. Not good.

fred4 · June 2019

Vietfox wrote: »

I was using 2H last patch for FM but magicka classes don't need to do that anymore.
I got a fire destro already but the reasons why i use DW over a destro are because:
B ) the stamina i get from heavy attacks (this is so important to me)

I can see that. DW heavy attacks are fast. My problem with 2H heavy attacks was always that I found them hard to land. Between missing and the long windup time, I was inevitably CCd again, right after landing them, with stamina going right back to zero. My problem with that playstyle is, if you do heavy attacks reactively when you need stamina, you can't afford for them to miss. Your stamina pool is so small it means death. However, if you are comfortable weaving them into your rotation, I can see how you'd make that work. I still think you're missing out big time on damage by not having fire-based light attacks. The 8% extra single target damage from a flame staff is roughly equivalent to the extra spell damage from 2H or DW. You can go Nirn + Sharpened, which is just about the last thing that's still neat about DW, but to buff the Caluu proc - and, in my case, Zaan - full Sharpened is better.

fred4 · June 2019

The more I think about it, the 8% single target damage buff from flame staff probably also buffs procs and is, thus, probably flat out better than having more spell damage in this type of build.

Vietfox · June 2019

fred4 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

I was using 2H last patch for FM but magicka classes don't need to do that anymore.
I got a fire destro already but the reasons why i use DW over a destro are because:
B ) the stamina i get from heavy attacks (this is so important to me)

I can see that. DW heavy attacks are fast. My problem with 2H heavy attacks was always that I found them hard to land. Between missing and the long windup time, I was inevitably CCd again, right after landing them, with stamina going right back to zero. My problem with that playstyle is, if you do heavy attacks reactively when you need stamina, you can't afford for them to miss. Your stamina pool is so small it means death. However, if you are comfortable weaving them into your rotation, I can see how you'd make that work. I still think you're missing out big time on damage by not having fire-based light attacks. The 8% extra single target damage from a flame staff is roughly equivalent to the extra spell damage from 2H or DW. You can go Nirn + Sharpened, which is just about the last thing that's still neat about DW, but to buff the Caluu proc - and, in my case, Zaan - full Sharpened is better.

Yeah i go with nirn on main hand and sharpened on off hand.
I heavy attack more or less depending on how the fight goes, never as a last resort. Thanks to that and the fact that i run tri stat food, over 16K stamina, i rarely run out of it. iirc i think i got around 1K stam recovery and could go for more if i needed it.
Your build seems to have more damage, yeah, but the moment someone pops a detect pot you are probably screwed, that's why i invest on stam, stamina recovery and resist. If they counter my cloak i want to be able to keep fighting.