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Account wide Achievements
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesMMO's in part survive on the content being repeated. Account wide achievements take away from that. We say we hate having to do all that fun stuff again but truth be told it is what keeps many of us playing. If we could just hop on a new character and it is pretty much ready to go with little game play we would quickly find little reason to log in.
Endgame is what keeps MMO alive. You can repeat content all day, but it is the Endgame that keeps people around. Majority of ESO players Burn through the content and gear up a person so they can do Endgame Trials and PvP. Doing the same repetition of quest on different characters is what will drive people away.
End game is part of it. But that is still repeating content. PvP is unique as players changing strategies can help keep that fresh. For PvE repeating content and new content are needed. That is why the RNG system is what it is and why good armor for PvP can be found in PvE content and some good PvE skills are found only in PvP. It is healthy for the game if players do a variety of content and repeat it.
I would also argue with your majority of players burn through the content so they can do endgame. I'm not sure the majority of players have any real interest in end game content. I do know people that will grind like their life depended on it to get a new character to max level then grind for the needed gear with PvP and vet trials in mind. I also know people that only care about the stories and do those over and over. Most players are somewhere in the middle. They aren't going to do all the quests but they aren't going to hit the grind spots either.
Those middle ground players repeating content is what keeps the game alive and fluid. There would be less incentive to do some of the content on new characters if achievements were account wide. Human nature, we like the bells and whistles.
What is interesting is none of this has anything to do with a reason why there should not be account wide achievements. Not a single word of it addresses that.
I will agree it went off on a tangent but if you follow the entire string leading to that response you will see it does have to do with achievements and why they should be character bound. It is all about repeated content being good for the long term health of the game.
Funny how in a game that had account wide achievements I still repeated content. While I have looked at my achievements score and sometimes what a new achievement I did not expect was about I, like many do not look to achievements for reasons to play the game. It is very much a secondary aspect.
The argument is false for the main reason most do not play to rack up achievements. Even those who clear vet HM trials are more interesting in enjoying the game with those they play with an getting good scores. Some do for no death speed run achievements but they would be repeating the content regardless to get the better scores.
Further, having account side achievements does nothing to take away from the group of players who are driven to play the game for achievements as it does not take away character based achievements.
It literally does not hurt anyone.1 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoThen again there are players who have spent the time to get all the lines maxed on multiple characters.
But they didn't do that for the achievements per se, they did it for the master writs which get better with more achievements (per character).
I would know, i did the same thing. 4 of my 5 mains now have every single craft maxed at 50.
ZOS could easily adjust the writ logic so those of us who have leveled crafts on multiple chars can still benefit, even if achievements are made account wide.
None of this is rocket surgery ...
Some did, some didn't. I have friends in each camp. You can't judge why other people might do something based upon why you do it.
And as happens in all these threads we have multiple arguments clouding what is being asked for.
Some people want achievements to be account side for the single reason of wanting to finish all achievements without having to stick to one character. They do not care about the titles or other benefits. I agree this would be a nice addition to the game if it were a separate tab so we can still track character achievements.
Some people want all their characters to be able to wear any title another character has earned. This I am against.
Then we get to the people that want all the benefits for finishing something on one character. If they collect all the lore books on one character they want any other character to also have all the lore books and the level advancement that goes with it. This option would be detrimental to the long term health of the game.
and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoSirona_Starr wrote: »Androconium wrote: »I know this dead horse has been beaten a lot, (1) but it needs a few more whacks. Account wide Achievements is a must. With the skyshard sharing in the crown store it seems like Zos is heading in the right direction with making this game alt friendly.
I do not see why it has no been done soon. Now I know there are some out there that will just say no, but let me convince you with debunking arguments against it.
No MMO does this - False. There are many out there that do have account wide Achievements including WoW which is the biggest.
Your character didn't earn it your other one did so no. It ruins the RPG aspect - True, but the same could be said about your alts having access to the mounts, collectibles, houses, costumes, skins, and dyes(which is a form of shared Achievements) that it did not earn. So what makes Achievements so different that they have to be excluded?
It will ruin the game and make it where you would not want to make another character. - False if anything it would promote growth of the game and encourage players to make more toons.
As for myself I have earned these Achievements and I think that my Alternate characters deserve to benefit from (2) the time and work I put into the game. Just this one players opinion.
What do you think? Should we have account wide Achievements? Please vote and let the developers know. Maybe than we can get a definitive yes or no from them and put this horse to bed.
(1) No it doesn't.
(2) Time is money. I keep saying this because ZOS are not really that interested in saving you time. This concept has been demonstrated many time when ZOS have made changes to extend your game play time. The removal of the fourth Trait Research path is where I first noticed this.
If you prefer WoW's gameplay, then go back and play it. Please stop wasting our time here
This conversation is not a waste of time. It is about Achievements, and not skills. My main character is my achievement toon - because I have NO interest in repeating Master Angler, as an example - so whatever achievements that are possible, I do on her, and by no means, as a healer, can she do all of them. She is also my crafter because why have every toon craft? What's the point of that? So in fact, aside from the starter quests for xp, none of my alt toons pursue crafting. I currently have 18 toons, don't care about getting achievements on any of them, but I do on the one.
HOWEVER, if you take a look at Eidetic Memory - some of those books are unobtainable if you missed a pick up during the quest, or if you played in a group. My main is missing some that alt toons have, and she cannot get now in this game. THAT DRIVES ME NUTS!!!!!! This is the ONE category that should be account wide, for the above stated reason. Master Angler, given it's entirely RNG based, certainly should also be account wide. I am fairly confident no one seeks to achieve it on all of their toons. Master Crafter as well...... So, ZOS thinking "Uh, they will play up to 18 toons to pursue Master Angler," as an example, is a false notion, because no, they will not, and it will not keep someone in the game longer to do so. Why would it be so awful to have all the toons have access to that Achievement and Title? It's not like it affects anyone else in the game, just makes the person who got the achievement happy to be able to wear that title, if chosen, on different toons?
For those that say no, to Achievements (NOT SKILLS, LET'S BE CLEAR), then it should be consistent. Your other toons should not be able to wear your skins, your costumes, polymorphs, use your VMA weapons, wear gear from trials that they didn't go in and get and so forth. Saying no to title sharing, while enjoying the aforementioned sharing is completely hypocritical.
I know this is an extreme but a friend does intend to get master angler on all his characters, both the NA and EU servers and also on Playstation. Long ago he wrote a very good tutorial for fishing that can be found on Deltia's site. In our trade guild he auctions off two or three hours of fishing time where he will fish for the time bid on and the winning bidder gets all the loot. It is one of the things he likes to do. I know another person that has seven characters with master fisherman. I have two characters with the achievement and I think that is enough for me.
Before Elswyer I was trying to get an ogre toe ring on my main to finish that achievement. Other characters have looted the ring but I do not want it to transfer over. I will eventually get that toe ring on my main.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."5 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoMMO's in part survive on the content being repeated. Account wide achievements take away from that. We say we hate having to do all that fun stuff again but truth be told it is what keeps many of us playing. If we could just hop on a new character and it is pretty much ready to go with little game play we would quickly find little reason to log in.
Endgame is what keeps MMO alive. You can repeat content all day, but it is the Endgame that keeps people around. Majority of ESO players Burn through the content and gear up a person so they can do Endgame Trials and PvP. Doing the same repetition of quest on different characters is what will drive people away.
End game is part of it. But that is still repeating content. PvP is unique as players changing strategies can help keep that fresh. For PvE repeating content and new content are needed. That is why the RNG system is what it is and why good armor for PvP can be found in PvE content and some good PvE skills are found only in PvP. It is healthy for the game if players do a variety of content and repeat it.
I would also argue with your majority of players burn through the content so they can do endgame. I'm not sure the majority of players have any real interest in end game content. I do know people that will grind like their life depended on it to get a new character to max level then grind for the needed gear with PvP and vet trials in mind. I also know people that only care about the stories and do those over and over. Most players are somewhere in the middle. They aren't going to do all the quests but they aren't going to hit the grind spots either.
Those middle ground players repeating content is what keeps the game alive and fluid. There would be less incentive to do some of the content on new characters if achievements were account wide. Human nature, we like the bells and whistles.
What is interesting is none of this has anything to do with a reason why there should not be account wide achievements. Not a single word of it addresses that.
I will agree it went off on a tangent but if you follow the entire string leading to that response you will see it does have to do with achievements and why they should be character bound. It is all about repeated content being good for the long term health of the game.
Funny how in a game that had account wide achievements I still repeated content. While I have looked at my achievements score and sometimes what a new achievement I did not expect was about I, like many do not look to achievements for reasons to play the game. It is very much a secondary aspect.
The argument is false for the main reason most do not play to rack up achievements. Even those who clear vet HM trials are more interesting in enjoying the game with those they play with an getting good scores. Some do for no death speed run achievements but they would be repeating the content regardless to get the better scores.
Further, having account side achievements does nothing to take away from the group of players who are driven to play the game for achievements as it does not take away character based achievements.
It literally does not hurt anyone.
What is true for you isn't true for all. Some people do repeat content to get achievements on more than one character. Others run the same trial over and over for gear. Others have their own reasons for repeating content. Repeating content is good for the health of the game so it makes good sense for their to be several options for doing so.
Again if it were just about viewing account wide achievements I am fine with that. When it comes to sharing titles and most other stuff no. Those need to be earned on individual characters.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
Rampeal✭✭✭✭✭Yes@kargen27
May I ask why you are against Account wide Titles? I mean if I did the content and got the title I do not see any reason why my Alts can not have it? Why should I have to GRIND out the title for each character? It just seems redundant. I don't see where it would hurt anyone or cause any game breaking issues.
Edited by Rampeal on June 12, 2019 2:59AM2 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No@kargen27
May I ask why you are against Account wide Titles? I mean if I did the content and got the title I do not see any reason why my Alts can not have it? Why should I have to GRIND out the title for each character? It just seems redundant. I don't see where it would hurt anyone or cause any game breaking issues.
First I think account wide titles are bad for the long term health of the game. MMO's survive by new content being released and old content being repeated. The grind leads to content being repeated. I think if we could just assign any title we have earned to any character we want it would lead to the game getting dull much sooner. You might not think so but the bells and whistles attached to the grind is what keeps us playing. That is how most of us are hardwired.
Personally it is rare I notice another characters title but I feel a character should earn titles. Some people argue that it was them and not the character that earned the title. I believe it is a joint effort between you and your character. The character couldn't earn the title without you but the reverse is also true.
I take it so far with mine that each character has their own home and are not allowed to put achievement furniture inside that they have not earned. I don't expect that of others of course but I still think titles should be character bound.
And I am really against shared achievements counting towards a larger achievement. As an example if you have crafting spread across three players so that combined they would have enough done to be a master crafter that doesn't mean you should get a master crafter achievement. One character has to get all those earlier accomplishments.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No@ZOS_GinaBruno please look at this poll and help us reach makers at Zenimax
You do realize these forums represent a very small percentage of players in the game? Might as well have flipped a coin 204 times and posted those results.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
ATomiX96✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yesbarney2525 wrote: »I dislike positions based on half truths.
There is No game that gives ALL the achievements of a single character to ALL other characters - ie. to the Account.
Some games give Some specific achievements to the account, but that is not what you are asking. And you are also, very conveniently, not giving Any actual examples of the achievements other games give.
Equating Costumes and mounts with Achievements is also not an honest comparison. What your mount "looks like" is a cosmetic and many can simply be bought with cash- depending on the time of year and the event in progress. So BUYING something cosmetic for the Account has nothing to do with "Earning" anything.
Master Crafter requires level 50 in all crafting. Explain to me how you are going to Give that achievement to ALL my characters when they do NOT have the level 50's required.
And this is the crux of the entire argument against. The new character does NOT have Any of the requirements that are needed for that Achievement. Does not matter which Achievement you are talking about. Achievements are specific to the Character. They are what makes each character Unique.
You put the time in on ONE character. That character has most of the Achievements. Your other characters have Not had the time put in.
Achievements are for the CHARACTER.
And you can't receive an Achievement if you Don't earn it.
There are specific ACCOUNT rewards for the first time a character hits specific Achievements. Dyes, non-combat pets, costumes, etc. Those are for the Account.
A Character does Not deserve an "Achievement" that the Character did not earn.
IMHO
World of Warcraft has all Achievements and rewards unlock for all characters. There is your proof
Not 100% true, there are a handful of achievements bound to character (mostly class-specific stuff), but 99.9% of the other achievements are as you said, shared across account (for the region you play).
I wouldnt mind just to have shared achievements/titles where it requires you to fill a certain role in a group, basicly all the trial and dungeon achievements.0 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes@ZOS_GinaBruno please look at this poll and help us reach makers at Zenimax
You do realize these forums represent a very small percentage of players in the game? Might as well have flipped a coin 204 times and posted those results.
funny how I see posts like here everytime when 1 side in something see its losing war not only in % of votes but in just logic reasoning2 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭Yes@ZOS_GinaBruno please look at this poll and help us reach makers at Zenimax
You do realize these forums represent a very small percentage of players in the game? Might as well have flipped a coin 204 times and posted those results.
you're the only one yelling not to do the change, i've seen many of your posts.1 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesShouldn't be lazy.
tell me how lazy I need to be having not very much time to play but having 30k achievs on character which took very veryy looong to get on single character and not having just time to repeat it even on just 2nd alt...
small reminder...few months agon on those forums someone posted he finally get literally every achievement in this game after playing since beta...so it took him good 5 years of achievs hunting for single character mainly because every next patch there are added more achievs to game
so how Im supposed to gather again on other character 30k+ achievs in short time to have more fun of playing different character than main which will give me also more willing to repeat some more content which currently I dont even mind as how it works for now1 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No@ZOS_GinaBruno please look at this poll and help us reach makers at Zenimax
You do realize these forums represent a very small percentage of players in the game? Might as well have flipped a coin 204 times and posted those results.
funny how I see posts like here everytime when 1 side in something see its losing war not only in % of votes but in just logic reasoning
I'm really consistent is saying polls in these forums do not matter even when they seem to trend in favor of how I feel/think. They are sometimes entertaining but are useless for extracting data. Isn't just these forums. Online polls anywhere are useless for getting any meaningful data because there is zero control of the demographics often leading to bias whether intended or not.
By logic and reason what you mean is your opinion. MMO's survive by providing new content and having players repeat a variety of existing content. One reason to repeat content is to get achievements on multiple characters. Logically that leads to the content being repeated. Reducing the incentive to repeat content is bad for the overall health of the game.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No@ZOS_GinaBruno please look at this poll and help us reach makers at Zenimax
You do realize these forums represent a very small percentage of players in the game? Might as well have flipped a coin 204 times and posted those results.
you're the only one yelling not to do the change, i've seen many of your posts.
I'm not the only one but I might be the most vocal in this thread. Doesn't change my point that polls in these forums shouldn't be used as a consensus on what the entire population of people playing the game think.
And once more I'm fine with there being a tab so players can see all the achievements their various characters have accomplished. Most threads start by asking for that claiming the need to complete the list but the desire to play more than one character. It quickly becomes about wanting the titles and other perks as well abandoning the whole I just want to complete the achievements argument that was originally being made.
and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
EvilAutoTech✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesJust make it an option so we don't get these threads anymore. I really don't understand why some players are opposed to others playing differently. Choice is good.2 -
wolfie1.0.✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NoI'm only voting no because I dont really see the point in voting yes. There are really only a few aspects of the game that are based on achievements. Mostly though they are pointless. I could go either way. Maybe the best idea is a mix of both. But honestly, there are a lot more important things that I would rather have ZOS focus on instead of this. This is a really low priority imo.0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoShouldn't be lazy.
tell me how lazy I need to be having not very much time to play but having 30k achievs on character which took very veryy looong to get on single character and not having just time to repeat it even on just 2nd alt...
small reminder...few months agon on those forums someone posted he finally get literally every achievement in this game after playing since beta...so it took him good 5 years of achievs hunting for single character mainly because every next patch there are added more achievs to game
so how Im supposed to gather again on other character 30k+ achievs in short time to have more fun of playing different character than main which will give me also more willing to repeat some more content which currently I dont even mind as how it works for now
Why do you need them all on your other characters? What specifically do they give you that you can't manage without on secondary characters?1 -
wolfie1.0.✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NoPVP ranks, titles, research, skyshards, lorebooks etc. should be definitely character-wide. But all achievements gained on account should be shown in the one window, IMO.
Nowadays, for example, it is very difficult to make warden or necromancer the new "main", having about 30k of achievement points on nightblade. Do Master Angler, thieves achievements, resource gathering achievements, trophy achievements again? No, thanks.
Account-wide achievements will greatly stimulate to play another classes in high-end content.
Not really sure that this is true. What does being a master angler have to do with endgame? Most of the achievements out there are just little ticks of boxes and do nothing at all. So how does that impact completed content?
Regarding research and guild progression you may have a point. Though keep in mind that ZOS has set the bar there already, be ready to spend crowns for those, and actually for research you can spend crowns for those so I wouldn't expect much. I mean when was the last time that a crown store item was made into base game content?0 -
ghastley✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoThere have to be things that are account-wide and others that are character-specific, or there's no point in allowing a player to have multiple characters. When you create an alt, you're deciding to do any character-specific things again, usually because you want to do them differently, such as choosing another class.
If you really do want to do everything one one character, there's already enough capability to reset/re-spec/etc. for race, stats, skilss or whatever, to make all the content possible. Class is the one thing you can't change, but again, no content is class-specific.
I don't want the character-specific parts of the game taken away. I want to be able to track what each one did, and not have everything attributed to the account.0 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesShouldn't be lazy.
tell me how lazy I need to be having not very much time to play but having 30k achievs on character which took very veryy looong to get on single character and not having just time to repeat it even on just 2nd alt...
small reminder...few months agon on those forums someone posted he finally get literally every achievement in this game after playing since beta...so it took him good 5 years of achievs hunting for single character mainly because every next patch there are added more achievs to game
so how Im supposed to gather again on other character 30k+ achievs in short time to have more fun of playing different character than main which will give me also more willing to repeat some more content which currently I dont even mind as how it works for now
Why do you need them all on your other characters? What specifically do they give you that you can't manage without on secondary characters?
its is giving me possibility to have completed them all
there is content you cant complete on every character/class - for example trials like vAS+2 or vCR+3 but even on jsut vCR+0 most endgame groups dont want stamina players here as how designed is this content - and there are magic dps's that pathetic so noone want to take it at all - magden, magdk which is even on melee spot like stamina dps
not always I want or have even willing to play on my main because jsut on this class etc
for example I was playing for 3+ years since beta with my main as stamnb, got few months break to return in nb meta near summerset release time and guess what? I even wasnt happy by nb meta...I just got sick of nb class and Im not the only person who would want to have now different class as main for those achievs but we cant
I have got 28k+ achievs with morrowind on my main and almost 3k lorebooks on it and well..because its my nb and I still dont want to play....it is just left as daily crafter and magazine with no use of it while I had and still have much more fun playing with stamplar which is *** on pve at all but I dont have anymore willing to try get literally any new achievs besides those with skin/personality on accountwide etc
if I had option with accountwide achievs I would have still willing to play literally every content and even repeat much more on different chars while now II dont mind do any of this whilere there is also no option for class change
so in shortcut from this as I stopped playing my main and stopped to care about acheivements...I stopped to play that much time in ESO like I was playing only my main...I jsut play less in ESO because I dont have point to play more as this is just nonsense how it currently works with achievs0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoShouldn't be lazy.
tell me how lazy I need to be having not very much time to play but having 30k achievs on character which took very veryy looong to get on single character and not having just time to repeat it even on just 2nd alt...
small reminder...few months agon on those forums someone posted he finally get literally every achievement in this game after playing since beta...so it took him good 5 years of achievs hunting for single character mainly because every next patch there are added more achievs to game
so how Im supposed to gather again on other character 30k+ achievs in short time to have more fun of playing different character than main which will give me also more willing to repeat some more content which currently I dont even mind as how it works for now
Why do you need them all on your other characters? What specifically do they give you that you can't manage without on secondary characters?
its is giving me possibility to have completed them all
there is content you cant complete on every character/class - for example trials like vAS+2 or vCR+3 but even on jsut vCR+0 most endgame groups dont want stamina players here as how designed is this content - and there are magic dps's that pathetic so noone want to take it at all - magden, magdk which is even on melee spot like stamina dps
not always I want or have even willing to play on my main because jsut on this class etc
for example I was playing for 3+ years since beta with my main as stamnb, got few months break to return in nb meta near summerset release time and guess what? I even wasnt happy by nb meta...I just got sick of nb class and Im not the only person who would want to have now different class as main for those achievs but we cant
I have got 28k+ achievs with morrowind on my main and almost 3k lorebooks on it and well..because its my nb and I still dont want to play....it is just left as daily crafter and magazine with no use of it while I had and still have much more fun playing with stamplar which is *** on pve at all but I dont have anymore willing to try get literally any new achievs besides those with skin/personality on accountwide etc
if I had option with accountwide achievs I would have still willing to play literally every content and even repeat much more on different chars while now II dont mind do any of this whilere there is also no option for class change
so in shortcut from this as I stopped playing my main and stopped to care about acheivements...I stopped to play that much time in ESO like I was playing only my main...I jsut play less in ESO because I dont have point to play more as this is just nonsense how it currently works with achievs
Again, what is stopping you from playing on characters that don't have all the achievements that another character has earned? What can you not do with those characters? Which achievements do you not have that prevent you from playing those characters?1 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesShouldn't be lazy.
tell me how lazy I need to be having not very much time to play but having 30k achievs on character which took very veryy looong to get on single character and not having just time to repeat it even on just 2nd alt...
small reminder...few months agon on those forums someone posted he finally get literally every achievement in this game after playing since beta...so it took him good 5 years of achievs hunting for single character mainly because every next patch there are added more achievs to game
so how Im supposed to gather again on other character 30k+ achievs in short time to have more fun of playing different character than main which will give me also more willing to repeat some more content which currently I dont even mind as how it works for now
Why do you need them all on your other characters? What specifically do they give you that you can't manage without on secondary characters?
its is giving me possibility to have completed them all
there is content you cant complete on every character/class - for example trials like vAS+2 or vCR+3 but even on jsut vCR+0 most endgame groups dont want stamina players here as how designed is this content - and there are magic dps's that pathetic so noone want to take it at all - magden, magdk which is even on melee spot like stamina dps
not always I want or have even willing to play on my main because jsut on this class etc
for example I was playing for 3+ years since beta with my main as stamnb, got few months break to return in nb meta near summerset release time and guess what? I even wasnt happy by nb meta...I just got sick of nb class and Im not the only person who would want to have now different class as main for those achievs but we cant
I have got 28k+ achievs with morrowind on my main and almost 3k lorebooks on it and well..because its my nb and I still dont want to play....it is just left as daily crafter and magazine with no use of it while I had and still have much more fun playing with stamplar which is *** on pve at all but I dont have anymore willing to try get literally any new achievs besides those with skin/personality on accountwide etc
if I had option with accountwide achievs I would have still willing to play literally every content and even repeat much more on different chars while now II dont mind do any of this whilere there is also no option for class change
so in shortcut from this as I stopped playing my main and stopped to care about acheivements...I stopped to play that much time in ESO like I was playing only my main...I jsut play less in ESO because I dont have point to play more as this is just nonsense how it currently works with achievs
Again, what is stopping you from playing on characters that don't have all the achievements that another character has earned? What can you not do with those characters? Which achievements do you not have that prevent you from playing those characters?
stoppings me is this as Im jsut completionist in every game which I play, when its possible I want to have everything on 100% even if it will take insane amount of time like jsut years, in ESO its possible if you play single char....
so when I play on alt.....I jsut see how empty is achiev log and I cry, I had that much completed, I coult still have to complete many more newest etc....but I dont have point to do it on alt which is empty at all and Im not gonna to repeat that many which I have done after few years only because I wanted to play different class
with it the best at me is that every this new character which I create in different clas to play...looks literally same as my main...and only difference between those chars is colours of fur and their class....where in every other TES game you could be everything on single character, there we cant, we are split now between 6 different classes and we wont have willing to always play this one class which is our main on which we want to have everything achieved which we jsut cant are we are enslaved into this whish is reason of losing fun of playing this game0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoShouldn't be lazy.
tell me how lazy I need to be having not very much time to play but having 30k achievs on character which took very veryy looong to get on single character and not having just time to repeat it even on just 2nd alt...
small reminder...few months agon on those forums someone posted he finally get literally every achievement in this game after playing since beta...so it took him good 5 years of achievs hunting for single character mainly because every next patch there are added more achievs to game
so how Im supposed to gather again on other character 30k+ achievs in short time to have more fun of playing different character than main which will give me also more willing to repeat some more content which currently I dont even mind as how it works for now
Why do you need them all on your other characters? What specifically do they give you that you can't manage without on secondary characters?
its is giving me possibility to have completed them all
there is content you cant complete on every character/class - for example trials like vAS+2 or vCR+3 but even on jsut vCR+0 most endgame groups dont want stamina players here as how designed is this content - and there are magic dps's that pathetic so noone want to take it at all - magden, magdk which is even on melee spot like stamina dps
not always I want or have even willing to play on my main because jsut on this class etc
for example I was playing for 3+ years since beta with my main as stamnb, got few months break to return in nb meta near summerset release time and guess what? I even wasnt happy by nb meta...I just got sick of nb class and Im not the only person who would want to have now different class as main for those achievs but we cant
I have got 28k+ achievs with morrowind on my main and almost 3k lorebooks on it and well..because its my nb and I still dont want to play....it is just left as daily crafter and magazine with no use of it while I had and still have much more fun playing with stamplar which is *** on pve at all but I dont have anymore willing to try get literally any new achievs besides those with skin/personality on accountwide etc
if I had option with accountwide achievs I would have still willing to play literally every content and even repeat much more on different chars while now II dont mind do any of this whilere there is also no option for class change
so in shortcut from this as I stopped playing my main and stopped to care about acheivements...I stopped to play that much time in ESO like I was playing only my main...I jsut play less in ESO because I dont have point to play more as this is just nonsense how it currently works with achievs
Again, what is stopping you from playing on characters that don't have all the achievements that another character has earned? What can you not do with those characters? Which achievements do you not have that prevent you from playing those characters?
stoppings me is this as Im jsut completionist in every game which I play, when its possible I want to have everything on 100% even if it will take insane amount of time like jsut years, in ESO its possible if you play single char....
so when I play on alt.....I jsut see how empty is achiev log and I cry, I had that much completed, I coult still have to complete many more newest etc....but I dont have point to do it on alt which is empty at all and Im not gonna to repeat that many which I have done after few years only because I wanted to play different class
with it the best at me is that every this new character which I create in different clas to play...looks literally same as my main...and only difference between those chars is colours of fur and their class....where in every other TES game you could be everything on single character, there we cant, we are split now between 6 different classes and we wont have willing to always play this one class which is our main on which we want to have everything achieved which we jsut cant are we are enslaved into this whish is reason of losing fun of playing this game
That's because every other TES game is a single-player offline game, while ESO is a multiplayer online game.
While I understand that some people suffer from a completionist obsession, I don't believe that game developers should structure their games around that. You are still able to accomplish all the achievements that are available to each of your characters, and there is no indication that the failure to gain any particular achievement will prejudice your playing of your characters in any practical way. The only achievements that it could be argued make a practical difference to a character's development relate to skill points and sadly you can now buy them for your other characters with real money - which is the same way all other achievements will be made account-wide if people aren't careful what they wish for.
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maltinkilic✭✭✭NoIt would be funny and absurd to see a lvl 3 character with "flawless conqueror" or "master angler" title. Yes the titles are directly related to achievement and if they are accountwide all alts will have all the titles.0
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✭YesShouldn't be lazy.
tell me how lazy I need to be having not very much time to play but having 30k achievs on character which took very veryy looong to get on single character and not having just time to repeat it even on just 2nd alt...
small reminder...few months agon on those forums someone posted he finally get literally every achievement in this game after playing since beta...so it took him good 5 years of achievs hunting for single character mainly because every next patch there are added more achievs to game
so how Im supposed to gather again on other character 30k+ achievs in short time to have more fun of playing different character than main which will give me also more willing to repeat some more content which currently I dont even mind as how it works for now
Why do you need them all on your other characters? What specifically do they give you that you can't manage without on secondary characters?
its is giving me possibility to have completed them all
there is content you cant complete on every character/class - for example trials like vAS+2 or vCR+3 but even on jsut vCR+0 most endgame groups dont want stamina players here as how designed is this content - and there are magic dps's that pathetic so noone want to take it at all - magden, magdk which is even on melee spot like stamina dps
not always I want or have even willing to play on my main because jsut on this class etc
for example I was playing for 3+ years since beta with my main as stamnb, got few months break to return in nb meta near summerset release time and guess what? I even wasnt happy by nb meta...I just got sick of nb class and Im not the only person who would want to have now different class as main for those achievs but we cant
I have got 28k+ achievs with morrowind on my main and almost 3k lorebooks on it and well..because its my nb and I still dont want to play....it is just left as daily crafter and magazine with no use of it while I had and still have much more fun playing with stamplar which is *** on pve at all but I dont have anymore willing to try get literally any new achievs besides those with skin/personality on accountwide etc
if I had option with accountwide achievs I would have still willing to play literally every content and even repeat much more on different chars while now II dont mind do any of this whilere there is also no option for class change
so in shortcut from this as I stopped playing my main and stopped to care about acheivements...I stopped to play that much time in ESO like I was playing only my main...I jsut play less in ESO because I dont have point to play more as this is just nonsense how it currently works with achievs
Again, what is stopping you from playing on characters that don't have all the achievements that another character has earned? What can you not do with those characters? Which achievements do you not have that prevent you from playing those characters?
stoppings me is this as Im jsut completionist in every game which I play, when its possible I want to have everything on 100% even if it will take insane amount of time like jsut years, in ESO its possible if you play single char....
so when I play on alt.....I jsut see how empty is achiev log and I cry, I had that much completed, I coult still have to complete many more newest etc....but I dont have point to do it on alt which is empty at all and Im not gonna to repeat that many which I have done after few years only because I wanted to play different class
with it the best at me is that every this new character which I create in different clas to play...looks literally same as my main...and only difference between those chars is colours of fur and their class....where in every other TES game you could be everything on single character, there we cant, we are split now between 6 different classes and we wont have willing to always play this one class which is our main on which we want to have everything achieved which we jsut cant are we are enslaved into this whish is reason of losing fun of playing this game
That's because every other TES game is a single-player offline game, while ESO is a multiplayer online game.
While I understand that some people suffer from a completionist obsession, I don't believe that game developers should structure their games around that. You are still able to accomplish all the achievements that are available to each of your characters, and there is no indication that the failure to gain any particular achievement will prejudice your playing of your characters in any practical way. The only achievements that it could be argued make a practical difference to a character's development relate to skill points and sadly you can now buy them for your other characters with real money - which is the same way all other achievements will be made account-wide if people aren't careful what they wish for.
umm we are able to get every achiev on every our char....but what sense is of it?
if we are getting 30k+ achiev points in few years of tryharding so what is point to repeat it even on 2nd character? becasue we dont want to play just this class anymore..
as for me it will be good 1 year of not even touching nb which is my main and I still dont want to touch this, I still have aversion to this class and to this we can add recent nerfs which took mainly solo playstyles
just because I would even want to change class of my main as for how much I have complated on this it doesnt mean I would have fun of repeating that many those achievs, these very boring, rng or even expensive or very very hard - its nonsense for me so I stopped to care about achievs and so what is going with it I now play less in ESO
I would have no problem with even repeat literally full content, maps, quests etc on other char to have map completed on 100% if I had my achieves account wide which I have done, not my character, Im able to complete it on every class but I have no point to do once I hgave done it and with many of those I dont have willings, fun, power anymore to repeat many other achievs which are RNG based, tedious grind, real hardcore etc
whiche accountwide wont affect anyone in any way especially if it even could have option to have it or no on your characters, it would only bring back again fun and willing to play, achievs hunt for many which already gave up to this system like me or are suffering to be enslaved to single and old class when they want to go play this on different and especially newest class because it wasnt in the game at start to play on this mainly...0 -
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✭Yesmaltinkilic wrote: »It would be funny and absurd to see a lvl 3 character with "flawless conqueror" or "master angler" title. Yes the titles are directly related to achievement and if they are accountwide all alts will have all the titles.
now it is funny to see lvl3 character with skin from even any trial and emperor outfit and personality from any dung also while not to mention to you most if not every suggesting for account wide achievs was saying it woudl be only achievs....so titles, skill levels etc are staying still character based....
ah and dont forged about account shared cp earned by other character/s and used by also 3lvl and then crafted and upgraded gear by your craft char for you low lvl char to level and after all when reached 50lvl gear switched onto this frsh char which was farmed by older character in content to which this fresh char have never been probably even on normal0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes@ZOS_GinaBruno please look at this poll and help us reach makers at Zenimax
You do realize these forums represent a very small percentage of players in the game? Might as well have flipped a coin 204 times and posted those results.
You do realize that when Zos announced they were bringing back faction locks the very first reason they gave was people were asking for it. They were asking for it in the forums. That is the effect of this thread and threads like it. Thx for helping.1 -
Comixfan✭✭✭YesWhat do you think? Should we have account wide Achievements? Please vote and let the developers know. Maybe than we can get a definitive yes or no from them and put this horse to bed.
Yes. Yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes a thousand times YES!
I have several alts and play them all with a different theme in mind each. eg one of my characters is my thief (and also a vampire), so I've done all the Thieves Guild stuff with her. Another is my assassin and I'm doing the Brotherhood stuff with her.
I've levelled one toon through Orsinium. Another through Morrowind. Another through Elsweyr. etc etc.
I've no real desire to do all that content again on alts that haven't done it.
I find it very strange that achievements aren't account-wide, especially the ones like the exploration achieves. All toons on an account should be able to contribute to achievements and then the achievements are unlocked for the account.
ZOS definitely do some weird things with this MMO. Not just the achievements, but I've also always found it odd that the mount stuff isn't account-wide either.
I know, people say it's so they can make money off crown store sales on the riding stuff, but it seems like such a basic thing that should be account-wide as a quality of life thing for the players and they've turned it into a money sink?
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Delsanab14_ESO✭✭✭✭Yesbarney2525 wrote: »I dislike positions based on half truths.
There is No game that gives ALL the achievements of a single character to ALL other characters - ie. to the Account.
Some games give Some specific achievements to the account, but that is not what you are asking. And you are also, very conveniently, not giving Any actual examples of the achievements other games give.
Equating Costumes and mounts with Achievements is also not an honest comparison. What your mount "looks like" is a cosmetic and many can simply be bought with cash- depending on the time of year and the event in progress. So BUYING something cosmetic for the Account has nothing to do with "Earning" anything.
Master Crafter requires level 50 in all crafting. Explain to me how you are going to Give that achievement to ALL my characters when they do NOT have the level 50's required.
And this is the crux of the entire argument against. The new character does NOT have Any of the requirements that are needed for that Achievement. Does not matter which Achievement you are talking about. Achievements are specific to the Character. They are what makes each character Unique.
You put the time in on ONE character. That character has most of the Achievements. Your other characters have Not had the time put in.
Achievements are for the CHARACTER.
And you can't receive an Achievement if you Don't earn it.
There are specific ACCOUNT rewards for the first time a character hits specific Achievements. Dyes, non-combat pets, costumes, etc. Those are for the Account.
A Character does Not deserve an "Achievement" that the Character did not earn.
IMHO
There's an ungodly amount of achievements you're simply not going to get because the RNG or spawn rates will never drop and yet those items because for whatever reason low level new chars get drops and such for collectibles much more often that higher level or those that completed the content (still tracking that)... Account achievements for collectibles and such are necessary.
They have completely ignored fixing this for years, but I still have not in an entire year gotten a new collectible from killing anything during pledges or whatever. But I have seen others get what I need as new chars.Account: @Delsana
FREE CRAFTING (NA PC) SIDENOTE: Hel'phaer is a Grand Master Crafter with almost every motif (excluding Buoyant, Meridian, Coldsnap, Grim Harlequin, Tsaesci, Pellitine, and Elder Argonian because can't afford it) and will craft attractive quality and visually appealing training gear or combat sets for those interested. FREE gear for players below CP 160 (equivalent level of 210), and paid gear in some form from those CP 160 or higher.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yesbarney2525 wrote: »I dislike positions based on half truths.
There is No game that gives ALL the achievements of a single character to ALL other characters - ie. to the Account.
Really now. SWTOR has account based achievements, even class based achievements. listed across the board. This can even be inspected by others. It can be seen you have completed an raid or dungeon equivalent even if you had never completed it on that character but have on another.
This has no impact on a character being able to complete quests or anything else just because another character had done so. The list even includes achievements the character could never accomplish because there are class based acheivements.
So when we talk about half truths lets talk about the truth.
In reality, there is no reason based in logic or rational to not have account wide achievements other than no wanting change for the sake of not wanting change even though it does not hurt you in any manner.
This does not mean we do away with character based achievements as it would be great to tie in titles to the character achievements. Even SWTOR has titles that must be earned by the character to use them so the title issue is rather weak.
Edit: I understand WoW has account wide achievements as well. It really makes the quoted comment above false. That is ironic since it was the basis for attempting to call out the OP has half truths.Edited by idk on June 14, 2019 1:59AM1