kargen27 wrote: »

MMO's in part survive on the content being repeated. Account wide achievements take away from that. We say we hate having to do all that fun stuff again but truth be told it is what keeps many of us playing. If we could just hop on a new character and it is pretty much ready to go with little game play we would quickly find little reason to log in.

Actually, there are popular mmos that have account-wide achievements, a few of them were already mentioned in this thread.
And even though mmos often rely on time sinks, with the amount of achievements in ESO it's simply not plausible to expect anyone to earn them with multiple characters. Even with account-wide achievements 100% completion is out of reach for the majority of players.
On the other hand, making achievements account-wide would encourage people with multiple characters to collect them, which means spending more time in game.

Rampeal wrote: »

@barney2525

Ok now you are making stuff up first of all I NEVER said anything about "all your characters would be Master Crafters, because you earned the Achievement once."or even implied it. You sir are a liar.

Now what I did say is that the cosmetic, skins and items you get from achievements apply to all characters. And as far as your WoW "research" goes you obviously did not look hard enough. There are a ton of Titles, mounts, and items that are applied to the account when you unlock on one character. I player WoW for 13 years so yes I would think I know what I am talking about. And been playing ESO longer than you so....yeah. ESO Achievement are the same as WoW if not weaker. At least in WoW we get mounts as a achievement.

You sir have no ground to stand on. It was fun debating, but you lost. I will not debate further with someone who lies to validate their argument. Good day.

OK, if you wish to turn this into name calling, then the whole discussion will be pointless.

Your quote : My character didn't get master crafter, I did. I did all of this on MY account so why should I not be able to share achievements between characters?

WoW does have a master list that applies to the Player. So does ESO




Yeah, WoW goes into more detail on their master list, but those Achievements are Not applied to all the characters.

ESO does have the same concept, just without going into the minute details, for example, of specific quests.

So if all you are looking for is a master list for the Player to see, ESO does provide it.

So what is your point?

I guess I don't understand. Some (vocal) people on this forum keep asking to redesign the game. Account-wide achievements instead of character-based, earn skyshards, lorebooks, and guilds skill lines only once, make overland exploration harder by increasing the difficulty of encounters, change the mount system, change the CP system, add class change tokens, max level boosts etc. Seriously, do you even like this game?

MMOs have an essential RPG element that is character-based. What one character does is not reflected in the lives of other characters. Some of you sound like you want to skip the entire game and move right to pvp or endgame.

I have seen comments that disparage people that play for the gameworld and exploration because they do not "challenge" themselves--as if challenge and competition vs relaxation and immersion were somehow a "better" way to play the game.

I don't want to rush to endgame. I have been playing since beta and I have yet to do a dungeon or pvp. My "endgame" is discovering every nook and cranny and lore this game has to offer--on multiple characters. Play your way and let me play mine. Stop trying to change essential parts of the game.

I also challenge the assumption that people rush to endgame. Unless you somehow have hard numbers regarding the way people play, you are making a rash assumption regarding what people want from this game. Not all players come to read the forums and fewer comment, so we don't know what they think. But the increasing number of game accounts must mean ESO is doing something right.

Yep account wide achievements, now just 1k each on the crown store

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Rampeal wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I play multiple characters. Pretty soon I'll have 36. I don't want account wide 'chieves. That's just silly - each of my toons does stuff specific to that toon, nothing to do with anyone else I play part of the time.

Of course.... I find achievements silly anyway. I've been out of kindergarten for a VERY long time, and gold stars just don't have any oomph....

So if account wide 'chieves happen, fine - all y'all who jones for those gold stars will be happy, and quit cluttering up the forum with your childish "I have to win all the stuffs" sort of threads.

Talks about kindergarten, yet has ✌"36"✌ characters and talks about people being childish. Good on you sir. Few of us can sacrifice our social life to develop such a ensemble. Cheers.

Sweetheart, I'm retired. Games like this are what I do for fun. I spent 40 years working to get to this point.

Cheers to you too. *rolls eyes*

*golf clap* 👏 good for you honeybun. You don't have to comment to take part in this "childish" debate. But you did because you have nothing better to do. So you came in here boasted how you have "36" characters ( which I guess was to add merit to your argument) and that it is silly to want account wide Achievements. Then went on to try and trivialize the post comparing it to kindergarten and it being childish.

Think I just sniffed out a troll. 🙄

At least for certain achievements, I'm totally cool with more stuff being account-wide. Certain "x out of y" style achievements would be great, like trove scamps killed or dragons slain or whatever. It would also be amazing to have titles automatically be account-wide, since they're the only cosmetic I can think of which currently is not. But for that, you really don't need the achievements themselves to be account-wide. IDK, I'm not opposed to it and even actively want it for a few of them, but I'm just not that passionate about it. Put me down as a vague and sleepy yes.

There's honestly no good reason why there shouldn't be Account-Wide Achievements.

For the people that say, "if they wanted there to be account-wide achievements, they would've made it that way from the start", that's utter none sense. They didn't allow players from different factions to play with each other, but they changed it. They didn't allow players to queue in dungeon finder with other factions, but they changed it. They didn't have a version 1 and 2/norm and vet of every single dungeon, but they changed it. They didn't allow you to go to whatever zone you wanted to at any level, or have a level scaling system, but they changed it. They didn't have an outfit system, or re-trait system, but they changed it. You use to not be able to loot anything (boxes, crates, urns, etc), or steal anything off tables, but they changed it. The list goes on.

Fact of the matter is, ZOS, as with nearly every company out there, changes their products based on customer demands. If the majority of people say they want something, they'll do it because that's their income, and they also want to make as many players happy as they possibly can and give them a better experience. While some companies won't change certain aspects of their products/games (because it's a defining characteristic of their game), they will change minor details that can reinforce the experience people get. This is one of those things that can reinforce the experience people have without disrupting the defining characteristics of the actual game itself.

Clearly some people in here have never touched a console in the last 15 years. Achievements? Gamerscore? Trophies? Level? Does any of this ring a bell? They are Microsoft, Sony and Valve's version of account-wide achievements and gamer progress. While I can't speak for others, my concept of account-wide achievements on ESO is pretty much the same thing. That's literally all it is. It's a universal achievement tracker. If you make a new character, they wouldn't have shared skill points. It's one thing that Champion Points are account-wide, making everyone's lvl 1 toons OP, but sharing skill points would definitely remove a chunk of replayability for sure.

But literally nothing would change. You'd start out as a baby, go complete quests, level up, explore, discover the undiscovered map, clear delves, make those black icons turn white when you complete them, and enjoy the game no different than before. To the people that say, "but how am I going to track skyshards, lorebooks, etc.", they literally have a Zone Guide. If you hover your mouse over the Skyshard Icon in the Zone Guide when you press M, it'll show the descriptions of the Skyshards you're missing, and have the ones you already have highlighted. So this whole "progress" argument is invalid, because they've now introduced other means of tracking individual character progression, and will likely continue to do so.

I do believe that titles should be account-wide too though, as those are linked with achievements. I'm part of the, "my character didn't do it, I the player did it", band wagon. I don't look at achievements as just "gold stars", as other people have referred to them as, but as a reflection of myself as a player. What have I done? What have I accomplished? Does this prove/show that I'm a good player (which is a yes, IMO, lol)? Anyone whose ever taken Psychology classes, or studied Gaming, or Business, knows that the majority of people are attracted to "gold-stars", and feel like they're being rewarded and that they've accomplished something. It gives them purpose and fulfillment. People like Gold-Stars. For the people that think it's just gold stars, then there shouldn't be any issue why you'd be against it (not claiming any who've made such comments are), since it doesn't have any negative impact against you, just positive impacts on other players.

I don't see any issue with titles being on any character either. The mindset people are still in is that characters are individual entities instead of all characters being reflections of the gamer behind the screen. If people changed their mindset to recognize that we're not looking at individual characters, but at an actual player behind the screen that has multiple characters, the whole "Bringing of Light" or whatever on a lvl 1 toon isn't so bad. If you want to look at individual characters as individual characters cause you RP, or something, then that's fine, just show Character Name instead of @name over people (or turn it off entirely). I feel like RP'ers would like having cool titles on their toons, anyways. Z'maja's Shadow Skin on lvl 1 toon? No one bats an eye. Bringer of Light title on lvl 1 toon? Everyone loses their minds. I don't get it. I have close to 36k Achievement Points. I've been around the block. I know and play with people who have TTT, GH and IR. Every single one I've asked so far have all said they wish achievements and titles were account wide, because unfortunately (for anyone who doesn't know the competitive nature of PvE and Score Pushing), things like Class, Race, etc., are all judged greatly when trying to Min/Max. My buddy was lucky he was able to get IR on his Stamplar. Most groups will give you the stank eye if you mention you wanna bring Stam toons to an IR run. Nightblades have been BiS for the longest time, and thus the top tier players would abuse that. Now that they've been nerfed, and with Necro's pulling 90k-100k DPS, and Magplars finally returning to their glory, a lot of top tier players switched from NB's to Temps or Necro's. Because it's BiS, and if you're not using BiS, you'll probably get the stank eye. Another buddy of mine said something along the lines of, "I wish I was able to get TTT and GH on my main toon and not this random fodder toon, because once a group gets something like that, they'll never want to do it again. Now I might not ever get to show my TTT or GH title off on a toon I actually like using".

Again, account-wide achievements is just for achievements and titles (in my book), not skill points and level, so PvP Alliance Rank wouldn't be affected. You create a lvl 1 toon, they're lvl 1, both in PvE and PvP. But if by chance (and I've had this happen with a few buddies of mine), you get Emperor on a lvl 30 toon, on a gimp server, then you don't have to hate your life knowing you'll have to grind Emp all over again on your main character since the achievement and title is shared. Again, people see lvl 1 toon with Emp Costume? No one bats an eye. People see lvl 1 toon with Emp title? Everyone loses their minds. Legit makes no sense. Unfortunately, my main character isn't spec'd well for PvP since I mainly PvE with him. On top of that, they're a Tank that has a DPS spec, so getting BG Healing Achievements is hard on him without cheesing it with buddies (they're a DK too, which has like, 2 garbage group healing skills). So having to spend gold and time to constantly re-allocate points, attributes and morphs 24/7, isn't something I'm very fond of. It'd be nice to be able to just go on a Healer to get Healing achievements. It'd be nice to have a character made just for PvP, go get to 50 Alliance Rank and get Emp on that character, and have the achievements for it. Because I the player did it. My main character would still be lvl 25 though, cause level is different from achievements, but when I get to lvl 50 on my lvl 25, I wouldn't unlock any achievements per new alliance rank, since I already got the achievements for them.

Alliance Rank does take a very long time to get up though, so I wouldn't have any issues if Alliance Rank was account-wide as well, similar to Champion Points being account-wide. I don't see many people complaining about that, so must be a good thing? Dailies and such would be nice too. Complete 1 daily on 8 different characters and you'd have 8/30 for that daily achievement. Kill 30 Cunning Scamps on one toon, 30 on another, and then 40 on another, bam, achievement unlocked for killing 100 cunning. Would be nice.

Ultimately, even though they haven't done it yet, I still believe that ZOS will make achievements account-wide. Everything they're doing is leading up to it, and a majority of players want it. I don't see why they wouldn't. I just wish it'd be sooner rather then later.....

barney2525 wrote: »

There is No game that gives ALL the achievements of a single character to ALL other characters - ie. to the Account.

Guild Wars 2.

Also, even if there were no game doing it, that's not a good reason. "We've always done like that, so we shall never chaznge it" is a pretty empty argument, really.

barney2525 wrote: »

Master Crafter requires level 50 in all crafting. Explain to me how you are going to Give that achievement to ALL my characters when they do NOT have the level 50's required.

In effect, there are already quite a lot of the effects of some achievements shared with other characters. You don't get the master crafter title on an alt, but you already get access to the dye colour it unlocks.

barney2525 wrote: »

The new character does NOT have Any of the requirements that are needed for that Achievement. Does not matter which Achievement you are talking about. Achievements are specific to the Character. They are what makes each character Unique.

Achievements are bulldung. I remember a time when gaming didn't have them, and we were all the better for that. They are not what makes each character unique, a proper character is unique by design. Achievements are merely a hindrance that will prevent you from buying some decoration for your home if you're not on the right character and will force you to relog (and remember which one it was that did get that specific achievelent already).

Your whole reasoning is biased for 2 reasons :

- You consider achievements meaningful, which they are not, they merely are there to make you believe your worthless grind is of importance. They are a cheap way to keep players busy when the content cannot.
- You consider they are to be awarded to the character, and to the character alone, when they very well could be awarded to the player.

Achievements should be account-wide, at least for those that lock something. I'm not saying every character should be able to display "master crafter" from start, but any character should be able to buy a piece of furniture another unlocked. That sort of things is easy to do (already in effect with the dyes, and now skyshards in a way), and would be a quality of life improvement.

PVP ranks, titles, research, skyshards, lorebooks etc. should be definitely character-wide. But all achievements gained on account should be shown in the one window, IMO.
Nowadays, for example, it is very difficult to make warden or necromancer the new "main", having about 30k of achievement points on nightblade. Do Master Angler, thieves achievements, resource gathering achievements, trophy achievements again? No, thanks.
Account-wide achievements will greatly stimulate to play another classes in high-end content.