You need to dodgeroll every time you can, when the gryphon moves its claw to do a normal attack. You could also wear histbark to grant you a chance in autododging if you are low on stamina for dodgerolls. You should communicate that with your group though, to balance out the support sets you have in your setup.

There is a stacking debuff from the gryphons called "Preyed Upon". Each time the gryphon lands a light attack (Talon Slice), this debuff gains a stack. This debuff is what amplifies the gryphons' bleed.

So the way most tanks deal with this is to dodge roll as many of the light attacks as they can.

But dodge rolling isn't easy:

• The light attacks happen very frequently.
• The light attacks are not telegraphed.
• The light attacks take only half a second to land, so your window to dodge them is exceptionally narrow.
• Latency can be an issue; in one run, I was hitting dodge the instant the gryphon raised its talon, and on my screen, the light attack would hit me as my character was in the middle of the dodge roll. The other tank who was watching me said that, on his screen, my character was standing still when the attack landed, and that my dodge roll didn't even start until afterwards.

If I don't dodge any of the light attacks, I'll have 12-14 stacks of the debuff before the gryphon disengages and takes flight. With my unreliable dodging, I am able to reduce that down to 6-9 stacks of the debuff, which makes the bleed much more manageable. There are some tanks that I know who are exceptionally good at dodging the light attacks, and they'll end up with only 2-4 stacks of the debuff, and for them, the bleed is negligible.

So trying to dodge does help a lot, even if you miss a lot of the dodges.

That said, I don't think that dodging is the way that ZOS intended players to deal with this mechanic. These dodges are similar to those for the savages in vMoL, in the sense that these are untelegraphed attacks whose windows of opportunity to dodge are very narrow. And like the vMoL Savages, where the original (and probably intended) strategy was to keep them out of group to avoid the shatters hitting everyone, I think ZOS probably had something else in mind when they designed the gryphon bleed, and that the current common strategy of dodging probably isn't something that they had anticipated or intended.

The best alternative strategy is to tank-swap. Once a tank gets hit by 6 or 7 of the gryphon's light attacks, they'll call for a tank swap, similar to what tanks do on the fourth boss of vHoF. When you do the +1/2 versions of vCR, tank-swapping becomes a much better idea, since your group will have three tanks, which allows you to assign two tanks to the gryphon, and they can trade aggro as needed to manage the bleed.

Note 1: When I say that dodging is unintended, that does not mean that I think it's a bad strategy or that it shouldn't be used. It simply means that this probably wasn't what ZOS expected people to do. But it is the most efficient strategy, and if it works why not use it?

Note 2: The Preyed Upon stacking debuff exists only in the Veteran version of Cloudrest.

So these stacks reset/dissapear if you are able to be not attacked by the gryphon for a while ?

Apache_Kid wrote: »

How are we supposed to dodge something that isn't telegraphed?

@Apache_Kid Which is why I don't think the designers of this mechanic intended tanks to dodge the light attacks. If you're doing vCR +1/+2, tank swap is the easiest way to deal with this, since your group will have three tanks, so you might as well give the spare tank something useful to do during the side boss encounters.

For vCR +0, since you won't have a spare tank, most tanks think that trying to dodge the light attacks is easier than coordinating swaps between the rider and gryphon tanks (remember, you don't need to dodge all of them; just half will be enough). But if you have trouble with reliably dodging them, you might find that coordinating tank swaps to be an easier.

Do what works best for you.

Theoreticly it should be possible to reliably swap the boss whenever the jump mechanic of the rider occures. Since in most cases the rider teleports towards the group, it can be used as a window of opportunity to swap bosses.
I myself am more trained with the doge variant, so i think we will continue to use that.

Why is tank-swapping an issue? I haven't tried this on vet yet. Just curious what causes a tank swap to be a problem. As an old school WoW player It's nothing new, just curious what factors to be aware of as my guild preps for trying this on vet.

I personally found this possible to be outhealed without any roll dodging, on a DK tank with points into thick skinned (about 66). The first few stacks you barely notice, towards the middle amount of stacks you can igneous then GDB comfortably, then call out to you healers when the DoT gets particularly bad. It's also nice to have a magma shell available for if it gets particularly hairy.

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

Hey,

not my intention to necro the threat but I just recently started tanking this in "the dodge way" for the first time and I find myself having trouble to keep the stacks low. I mean even with 5 pieces well fitted medium gear the "dodge fatigue" causes me only to be able to dodgeroll once every few seconds or I run out of stamina in no time. So even if I dodgeroll whenever "Dodgeroll fatigue" CD is gone the stacks only reduce from 14 to 8-9. I could push a bit more but with the risk of running out of stamina no time. Even then I haven't been able to get lower than 7-8 ever tbh.

How on earth could it be that some people are capable of managing to get only 4 or less stacks ?? It seems completely impossible to me or am I missing something ?

Nothing the gryphon does really needs to be blocked. So don't use any stam blocking. Spam dodge roll when he's spamming light attacks. And when he's doing other abilities, spam heavy attacks to restore stam.

Here's what I use tanking Gryffons.

5pc well-fitted Torug's Pact with all stamina enchants.
5pc Alkosh with all harmony jewelry, alkosh ice staff back bar
Earthgore helm set

When Gryffon comes to you, ice blockade, engulfing flames. When it goes up on hind legs, stay at its side and do 2 heavy attacks. Dodge roll as many light attacks as you can, and use igneous shield as often as you can for stamina return. Apply engulfing when possible and refresh taunt. Drink potion when its up.

One tricky part is using synergies for resource return and Alkosh proc while dodge rolling. You may have to eat a light attack to have enough time to activate the synergy. In the end, you will have some bleed stacks on you but nothing you can't self-heal through. Earthgore procs help a lot. The really annoying part is after Gryffon is in the air, it throws these fast moving things at you that stuns you, which is bad when you're trying to heal up, so try to avoid those as well.