WTF is Stadia?

you will be paying extra to acess it. I don't know if you'd have to create a new account. you... might get slightly better performance IF your rig is very outdated. if your performance is bottle necked by your internet, stadia will not help you. you'd be able to play on your phone though, in theory so there's that?

I wonder about Stadia. My concern are delays in keystrokes to actions in the game. We'll see I guess, want to try it for sure.

It will depend greatly on the pricing.

My bet is that it will cost you $15-$20 per month as a service. So $180-$240 per year. It will be up to you to decide whether or not it is worth paying $600 bucks every few years is better than buying your own hardware every few years (which could be more or less depending on how powerful you like your rigs).

The biggest benefit will be the ability to play on any device with a decent internet connection, since it will stream the video feed to you probably at Netflix like speeds (maybe 7.5 Mb/s for 1080p).

I'm the kind of person who prefers to buy things and own them, as opposed to renting things and owning nothing, because it almost always means better value in the long run. But I know that today's generation are getting more into paying subscriptions for everything and owning nothing so maybe it will work out well. For Nvidia it will anyway.

Hamish999 wrote: »

WTF is Stadia?

Something like Netflix, where you pay $11.99 Canadian, a month, and you just click on the game you bought and play. No installing, no downloads, and play on your PC, laptop, TV, tablets or Google Phone. You can use any controller you want, and games are suppose to run at 60 FPS and up to 4K graphics.

So for people with medium or less computers, consoles, you don't need to worry about hard ware no more since we are suppose to get the best graphics on highest settings since it's Google who is doing all the work.

So for me where on high settings on my PC I get from 25-60 FPS, so maybe using Stadia we can get 60 FPS.

It seems we can play ESO on the go now with tablets and Google Phones. (Their new ones I believe, I don't know their names)

Linaleah wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

It will depend greatly on the pricing.

My bet is that it will cost you $15-$20 per month as a service. So $180-$240 per year. It will be up to you to decide whether or not it is worth paying $600 bucks every few years is better than buying your own hardware every few years (which could be more or less depending on how powerful you like your rigs).

The biggest benefit will be the ability to play on any device with a decent internet connection, since it will stream the video feed to you probably at Netflix like speeds (maybe 7.5 Mb/s for 1080p).

I'm the kind of person who prefers to buy things and own them, as opposed to renting things and owning nothing, because it almost always means better value in the long run. But I know that today's generation are getting more into paying subscriptions for everything and owning nothing so maybe it will work out well. For Nvidia it will anyway.

honestly it depends on what we are talking about. for instance I pretty much stopped buying books lately with a very rare exception and instead - rent them at the library. why? becasue I know i won't be rereading most books so its not cost or space effective to buy them (and library is free) I also have netflix subscription, again becasue most things on it - I will only watch once. I've also rented games that I knew I wouldn't be replaying. to hit closer to real life, i have rented power tools from a local hardware store, because rend is $20 for a day, while buying something like that would cost me $300 or more and I really only needed a thing for a single project

in the end it comes down to a simple question. are you going to keep using something or are you only using it once, maybe twice and that's that. ownership is cost effective some of the time, other times... its cheaper and easier to rent.

Yes, pretty much.

You will notice that in all your examples the cost to rent is extremely small, and the re usability of the item you are renting is similarly tiny.

If Stadia were free (lol) like a library, then of course everyone would use it. Vast majority of books you read once.

Netflix same thing. Vast majority of movies and series, you watch once.

Power tools, once again. You only use a drain snake once every few years or so so why would you pay $1000?

But for a video card...again it will depend on price, but the re usability of a video card is very high. If you go the Stadia route, what happens if you want to play a game that is not on the Stadia network? Now you have no card.

Let's not forget add-ons. I'm too spoiled to a platform like this.

Also, my PC is a beast that can run this game at 200+fps (I capped it at 100 though because there's no point even though I have a 240hz monitor), I have gigabit internet and the game is still a lagfest...

Goregrinder wrote: »

Can you really tolerate another 200+ms of latency added to our current 150+ latency? I know I couldn't.

350 ping, we call that a good day in Australia

That is my concern with stadia though. This game already suffers with lag and connection issues, stadia will add another stop.

danno8 wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

It will depend greatly on the pricing.

My bet is that it will cost you $15-$20 per month as a service. So $180-$240 per year. It will be up to you to decide whether or not it is worth paying $600 bucks every few years is better than buying your own hardware every few years (which could be more or less depending on how powerful you like your rigs).

The biggest benefit will be the ability to play on any device with a decent internet connection, since it will stream the video feed to you probably at Netflix like speeds (maybe 7.5 Mb/s for 1080p).

I'm the kind of person who prefers to buy things and own them, as opposed to renting things and owning nothing, because it almost always means better value in the long run. But I know that today's generation are getting more into paying subscriptions for everything and owning nothing so maybe it will work out well. For Nvidia it will anyway.

honestly it depends on what we are talking about. for instance I pretty much stopped buying books lately with a very rare exception and instead - rent them at the library. why? becasue I know i won't be rereading most books so its not cost or space effective to buy them (and library is free) I also have netflix subscription, again becasue most things on it - I will only watch once. I've also rented games that I knew I wouldn't be replaying. to hit closer to real life, i have rented power tools from a local hardware store, because rend is $20 for a day, while buying something like that would cost me $300 or more and I really only needed a thing for a single project

in the end it comes down to a simple question. are you going to keep using something or are you only using it once, maybe twice and that's that. ownership is cost effective some of the time, other times... its cheaper and easier to rent.

Yes, pretty much.

You will notice that in all your examples the cost to rent is extremely small, and the re usability of the item you are renting is similarly tiny.

If Stadia were free (lol) like a library, then of course everyone would use it. Vast majority of books you read once.

Netflix same thing. Vast majority of movies and series, you watch once.

Power tools, once again. You only use a drain snake once every few years or so so why would you pay $1000?

But for a video card...again it will depend on price, but the re usability of a video card is very high. If you go the Stadia route, what happens if you want to play a game that is not on the Stadia network? Now you have no card.

apparently Stadia is $130 for founders package that includes chromecast (which can technically be used for streaming, practically is only really useful if for whatever reason you don't have a smart TV that already comes with app and streaming capability) controller that looks... decent and 3 months of subscription. subscription is $10 a month, so its basicaly $100 for hardware.

is it worth it? you decide. for me, stadia might be worth it for a month here and there, much like playstation now - IF it will work on my smart TV or PC without having to get extra hardware, IF it works with my preferred controller (dualshock or even better - keyboard and mouse) and IF it has several games I'm curious about but not sure if want to own. (I see about 4 on announcement list which is 1-2 month's worth of subscription's worth for me, personaly and it IS more cost effective that way than buying it)

so to your question - what do I do if the game I want is not on Stadia? why, I don't continue with subscription, of course! same way I discontinue ps now once I was done with games i wanted to try.

and I guess my point is, from the start. how much are you going to use something? honestly, for MMO's? its only worth it to try it, assuming those MMO's do not come with free trial option. but to continuously play with Stadia? I guess it depends. it does seem like they will let you purchase individual games and play them without having to subscribe, so could be worth it. could be.

I still don't see how the performance is going to better than just having a game installed on your hardware EVEN if your hardware is not top of the line.

The devil will be in the details, of which there are scant few at the moment.

But I do wonder if this might help latency in distant lands.

danno8 wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

It will depend greatly on the pricing.

My bet is that it will cost you $15-$20 per month as a service. So $180-$240 per year. It will be up to you to decide whether or not it is worth paying $600 bucks every few years is better than buying your own hardware every few years (which could be more or less depending on how powerful you like your rigs).

The biggest benefit will be the ability to play on any device with a decent internet connection, since it will stream the video feed to you probably at Netflix like speeds (maybe 7.5 Mb/s for 1080p).

I'm the kind of person who prefers to buy things and own them, as opposed to renting things and owning nothing, because it almost always means better value in the long run. But I know that today's generation are getting more into paying subscriptions for everything and owning nothing so maybe it will work out well. For Nvidia it will anyway.

honestly it depends on what we are talking about. for instance I pretty much stopped buying books lately with a very rare exception and instead - rent them at the library. why? becasue I know i won't be rereading most books so its not cost or space effective to buy them (and library is free) I also have netflix subscription, again becasue most things on it - I will only watch once. I've also rented games that I knew I wouldn't be replaying. to hit closer to real life, i have rented power tools from a local hardware store, because rend is $20 for a day, while buying something like that would cost me $300 or more and I really only needed a thing for a single project

in the end it comes down to a simple question. are you going to keep using something or are you only using it once, maybe twice and that's that. ownership is cost effective some of the time, other times... its cheaper and easier to rent.

Yes, pretty much.

You will notice that in all your examples the cost to rent is extremely small, and the re usability of the item you are renting is similarly tiny.

If Stadia were free (lol) like a library, then of course everyone would use it. Vast majority of books you read once.

Netflix same thing. Vast majority of movies and series, you watch once.

Power tools, once again. You only use a drain snake once every few years or so so why would you pay $1000?

But for a video card...again it will depend on price, but the re usability of a video card is very high. If you go the Stadia route, what happens if you want to play a game that is not on the Stadia network? Now you have no card.

so to your question - what do I do if the game I want is not on Stadia? why, I don't continue with subscription, of course! same way I discontinue ps now once I was done with games i wanted to try.

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Actually the hypothetical was not about the game, but the lack of a card.

Assuming people forgo purchasing a quality video card with the presumption that they will simply use Stadia, if the game they want to play is not on Stadia they are kinda SoL.

If you are going to pay Google to process your game, I assume you are not going to want to pay for an additional card of your own.

ah. gotcha and.. yeah, basically. unless people in question play on console to begin with. or if they are like me and get Stadia subscription the same way as netflix. I still buy boxed sets (or individual disks) for movies or shows I know i'll be re-watching becasue they are that much of a fave, so...

mostly, I'm just amused at how people are ooohing and aaahing over Stadia when services LIKE stadia have existed for a while now. unless Stadia miraculously fixes issues that existing services suffer from... its not going to fix anything for ESO players having performance issues. at ALL.

MrGarlic wrote: »

The devil will be in the details, of which there are scant few at the moment.

But I do wonder if this might help latency in distant lands.

I wouldnt think so.
Currently our connection is, server - player
With this it will be, server - stadia - player
I dont see how adding an extra stop would improve things.

The only way i can see it helping is if stadia somehow improves the connection to the servers (i would think if this is possible ZOS would be working on it).

The game servers will still perform the same with or with stadia.

LordGavus wrote: »

MrGarlic wrote: »

The devil will be in the details, of which there are scant few at the moment.

But I do wonder if this might help latency in distant lands.

I wouldnt think so.
Currently our connection is, server - player
With this it will be, server - stadia - player
I dont see how adding an extra stop would improve things.

The only way i can see it helping is if stadia somehow improves the connection to the servers (i would think if this is possible ZOS would be working on it).

The game servers will still perform the same with or with stadia.

Of course there's no way to tell at the moment, but I was thinking that if it uses Google's CDN globally, then it might bypass Akamai, which is Oceanic's current bottle-neck to the megaservers.

Really depends on how it connects to the NA Megaserver once it leaves Google's infrastructure, but if it routes directly to the USA, it could see a reduction of ping for us down here.

Hypothetically of course.

Although the more I read on it, the more I am going to say it would be a very negative experience for my household, in my location, with my poor ADSL2 connection.

Oh well, back to 350ms ping