ESO on Stadia. What do you think?

LordGavus

MrGarlic wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

MrGarlic wrote: »

The devil will be in the details, of which there are scant few at the moment.

But I do wonder if this might help latency in distant lands.

I wouldnt think so.
Currently our connection is, server - player
With this it will be, server - stadia - player
I dont see how adding an extra stop would improve things.

The only way i can see it helping is if stadia somehow improves the connection to the servers (i would think if this is possible ZOS would be working on it).

The game servers will still perform the same with or with stadia.

Of course there's no way to tell at the moment, but I was thinking that if it uses Google's CDN globally, then it might bypass Akamai, which is Oceanic's current bottle-neck to the megaservers.

Really depends on how it connects to the NA Megaserver once it leaves Google's infrastructure, but if it routes directly to the USA, it could see a reduction of ping for us down here.

Hypothetically of course.

Although the more I read on it, the more I am going to say it would be a very negative experience for my household, in my location, with my poor ADSL2 connection.

Oh well, back to 350ms ping

Yeah thats it. Its all speculation until we see it in action.

I guess they could bypass akamia, then the question would be, what latency and input lag will be added by stadia? I guess we'll find out eventually.

pknecron

Ask me again in a year after Google cancels it because it is a stupid idea.

Bhaal5

Runs terrible on 3 platforms... Why not make it 4

MikaHR

Most people dont need a PC any more, smarphones have taken over most of what they have been using PC for (surfing the net, social networks, streaming services like Netflix that pretty much any TV has built in these days.... .... ...)

And since even midrange gaming PC costs $1000-1500, if you get equivalent performance from paying $10/month with an additional convenience of gaming on ANY screen you own (or not like hotel TV) along with library of games included....i can see this have a rapid rise to success.

Instead paying $1500+ every 3 years you would pay $10/month ($360/3 years) and game wherever and whenever you want and you can stop it whenever you want, if you dont have time to game, just drop your sub while PC would just sit there unused whatever $$ you paid for it going to waste. Or pay nothing and stick to 1080p instead 4k.

And Google has the best internet infrastructure and almost infinite resources so it will be miles ahead of any current streaming service (like that trainwreck nvidia tried to sell but failed miserably)

If anyone has a chance to pull this off it is Google.

LordGavus wrote: »

Currently our connection is, server - player

Yeeeeah....no...it is players - x hops - server, x can be quite large depending on where you are

Your case happens only if youre directly pugged in into ZOS server...which you arent.

LordGavus wrote: »

With this it will be, server - stadia - player

Depends how Google and Zenimax set it up, number of hops migth be same, less or more, depending on many conditions

LordGavus wrote: »

I dont see how adding an extra stop would improve things.

Its highly likely it will be the same...or asround the same depending on your circumstances.

LordGavus wrote: »

The game servers will still perform the same with or with stadia.

But thats not Stadia's problem but ZOS's problem.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Link, anyone ?
I haven't seen anything (not even reviews of yesterday's showcase by Google) stating that ESO will be available on Stadia.

Oops, sorry, forget it, found it.
https://apptrigger.com/2019/06/06/google-stadia-games-pricing/

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Runs terrible on 3 platforms... Why not make it 4

It's not "yet another platform". Or it depends what you call a platform. There won't be anything like PC/Mac, PS, XBox and Stadia. There will still be Mc/PC, PS, or XBox.

If you play via Stadia, you'll be on your PC/Mac Megaserver of choice just like on PC.

Stadia is nothing more and nothing less than cloud computing dedicated to gaming.

MikaHR wrote: »

And since even midrange gaming PC costs $1000-1500, if you get equivalent performance from paying $10/month with an additional convenience of gaming on ANY screen you own (or not like hotel TV) along with library of games included....i can see this have a rapid rise to success.

Agreed. I'm even quite ready to bet that in 10/20 years from now we won't have computers in our homes anymore (at least, the overwhelming majority of us). We'll have screens/terminals connected to remote machines and cloud services (such as Stadia).

MikaHR

Yeah, truth is PCs have become redundant in most households, the only argument nowadays is "high end gaming" (which vast majority of people dont even do).

I think a lot of people are just ignoring a lot of facts and cicrumstances. PC and GPU shipments have been declining for past half a decade, less and less people are buying PCs every year as they just dont need it any more. OTOH, for gaming, PS4 has broken a lot of records in sales, its nearing 100 000 000 sold. Smartphones have seen meteoric sales rise. There is little reason for average Joe to own PC today. "High End Gaming" being the last resort....which Stadia could take away too.

We could see even steeper decline in PC (and espeically GPU) shipments in near future.

Lord_Eomer

Google is hyped for 5G and betting on Cloud Gaming, many failed attempts were in made in past.

Stable internet is still an issue among many and we may be a decade beyond for such stuff!

RouDeR

@ZOS_GinaBruno will we be able to play on Stadia with our existing PC (Non steam) accounts, or we will have to register/buy new accounts like it is when you use steam ?

zaria

MikaHR wrote: »

Yeah, truth is PCs have become redundant in most households, the only argument nowadays is "high end gaming" (which vast majority of people dont even do).

I think a lot of people are just ignoring a lot of facts and cicrumstances. PC and GPU shipments have been declining for past half a decade, less and less people are buying PCs every year as they just dont need it any more. OTOH, for gaming, PS4 has broken a lot of records in sales, its nearing 100 000 000 sold. Smartphones have seen meteoric sales rise. There is little reason for average Joe to own PC today. "High End Gaming" being the last resort....which Stadia could take away too.

We could see even steeper decline in PC (and espeically GPU) shipments in near future.

Its two effects, one effect is that computer technology don't progress as fast it did 10 not to talk about 20 years ago.
The other is that systems are already pretty strong so less reason to upgrade.

For games this is more in that games looks so good its very hard to get them to look significantly better

As for PC, well pc gaming looks more robust than ever even the steam / epic / MS fight over the marked.

Systems like stadia has an niche but they have so many weaknesses they will never become mainstream.
First you need an 10gbs line with low latency to the stadia server, latency here is an killer as its feel controller and screen lag not server lag
Secondly you need an device to play on like an TV or other device and you need an controller who is compatible.
An pc game will usually be best on pc unless it has an console mode. yes you can play on an weak laptop to.

last then you play an game on stadia, you take up part of an server infrastructure who is way more expensive than an console or cheap gaming pc . Google will not like customers who play graphic intensive games +8 hours a day.

MikaHR

zaria wrote: »

As for PC, well pc gaming looks more robust than ever even the steam / epic / MS fight over the marked.

They are fighting for piece of the pie. And Stadia IS aiming ot replace your PC.

zaria wrote: »

Systems like stadia has an niche but they have so many weaknesses they will never become mainstream.

It will become mainstream much much faster than you think. I was sceptical when it was announced without details....but now that details are out i can see Google is ticking all the right boxes.

zaria wrote: »

First you need an 10gbs line with low latency to the stadia server, latency here is an killer as its feel controller and screen lag not server lag

Google has so many servers over the world and i dont see much issues here. As i said if someone can pull it off it is Google because they have immense infrastructure in place already.

zaria wrote: »

Secondly you need an device to play on like an TV or other device and you need an controller who is compatible.

You mean that is an advantage as you dont need to buy another monitor just for PC. And 3 years old kids have smartphones nowadays.

zaria wrote: »

An pc game will usually be best on pc unless it has an console mode. yes you can play on an weak laptop to.

Pretty much all high profile games are developed for consoles nowadays. Then ported to PC.

zaria wrote: »

last then you play an game on stadia, you take up part of an server infrastructure who is way more expensive than an console or cheap gaming pc . Google will not like customers who play graphic intensive games +8 hours a day.

Google can use that infrastructure for various things. Same arguments could be made for all other cloud services, yet i dont see them faltering, they are just growing and growing. For each one that plays 8+ hours a day ther will be dozens that play 8 hours a month.

And you are making a common mistake and presuming everyone owns a high end PC....which is as far removed from reality as it gets, i bet ya that vast majority of people will have better performance on stadia than on their low end best buy "gaming" PC.

zaria

MikaHR wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

As for PC, well pc gaming looks more robust than ever even the steam / epic / MS fight over the marked.

They are fighting for piece of the pie. And Stadia IS aiming ot replace your PC.

zaria wrote: »

Systems like stadia has an niche but they have so many weaknesses they will never become mainstream.

It will become mainstream much much faster than you think. I was sceptical when it was announced without details....but now that details are out i can see Google is ticking all the right boxes.

zaria wrote: »

First you need an 10gbs line with low latency to the stadia server, latency here is an killer as its feel controller and screen lag not server lag

Google has so many servers over the world and i dont see much issues here. As i said if someone can pull it off it is Google because they have immense infrastructure already.

zaria wrote: »

Secondly you need an device to play on like an TV or other device and you need an controller who is compatible.

You mean that is an advantage as you dont need to buy another monitor just for PC.

zaria wrote: »

An pc game will usually be best on pc unless it has an console mode. yes you can play on an weak laptop to.

Pretty much all high profile games are developed for consoles nowadays. Then ported to PC.

zaria wrote: »

last then you play an game on stadia, you take up part of an server infrastructure who is way more expensive than an console or cheap gaming pc . Google will not like customers who play graphic intensive games +8 hours a day.

Google can use that infrastructure for various things. Same arguments could be made for all other cloud services, yet i dont see them faltering, they are just growing and growing. For each one that plays 8+ hours a day ther will be dozens that play 8 hours a month.

And you are making a common mistake and presuming everyone owns a high end PC....which is as far removed from reality as it gets, i bet ya that vast majority of people will have better performance on stadia than on their low end best buy "gaming" PC.

Again you need an good line, no good enough to stream netflix might not hack it as you can not have high latency or hiccups.
Yes this becomes more common making it easier than it was 10 years ago but listening to people complaining about having to download patches its stil an issue.

And yes know most games are ported from consoles, in fact I see stadia more as an console than an pc. How about mod support for one yes google has to use pc games as they don't have an console like Sony.
Sony's streaming service works well enough as I understand.

Most cloud services are web applications who don't have an high constant cpu and gpu demand who require millisecond responses, but again Sony managed to get it to work.

But yes if you have an crap computer and an good internet line its probably an improvement.
Now the real question for an game like ESO will be. Can you play with your existing account? Can you have stadia as an option then traveling?
Or do you have to start over? Buying the game again is not an issue, starting again like switching platform will be an major issue.
How about mod support, this is not only an ESO issue.

essi2

ESO already has issues with input lag, so this will be very interesting.

danno8

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Agreed. I'm even quite ready to bet that in 10/20 years from now we won't have computers in our homes anymore (at least, the overwhelming majority of us). We'll have screens/terminals connected to remote machines and cloud services (such as Stadia).

The thought of having all the sensitive personal information that I keep on my (encrypted) hard drives at home being instead stored away "securely" on some Google server, the greatest data gathering company of all time gives me shivers.

I'll pass on that for as long as feasibly possible. I am always surprised at how people are so willing to give up their privacy and trust so blindly in these giant companies, that have shown over and over again how little they truly care about your privacy and how much they only care about your telemetry so they can sell it for profits.

I honestly believe that Google will be collecting and using tonnes of information about you and your habits by watching and recording what games you play, when you play them and...who knows what else will be packaged with the whole Stadia experience.

vamp_emily

Cloud base gaming is the next generation of gaming. It will be interesting to see what it is like.

xxthir13enxx

Sylvermynx wrote: »

No thanks. I use google for search and email. That's it. Not to mention that with even a bit better 'net now, it's still not fiber.... so nopenopenope.

Heh....brain read that as
n open open ope
So was momentarily confused...lol
Need more coffee...

luen79rwb17_ESO

I'm really excited to see ESO out there as the highlighted MMO alongside so many AAA tittles.

Khrogo

I’m definitely interested, especially with Xbox controller support coming to iOS. Hopefully, ESO will get cross save like Destiny 2 will in September. The idea of playing when I’m working away from home is very appealing. ESO, iPad Pro, Xbox Elite controller, and room service. Sounds like a match made in heaven

Davor

danno8 wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

Stadia is free to use. You just don't get 4K settings I think up to 720p and like Xbox Live Gold you don't get free games then if you don't subscribe.

It *will be* in 2020.

One thing I am not clear on is if you have to buy a "stadia" version of the games you want to play. So if you don't keep renting the service you get cut off from your game completely. Can't find a clear answer.

I thought you had to buy the game no matter what. While we "rent" the service is like Xbox Live Gold or Play Station Plus we get a few more benefits and fast speeds we always keep the game. Since there is a free version as well, we can always play our games we bought.

I didn't know we can rent games. So much to learn what it will exactly offer.

Davor

Lots of good points made. For me, being in Canadian Funds it will start out at $180. $11.99 a month. So almost $300 a year. Consoles are what $500 (again Canadian prices) + game, I can have Stadia + free games. Since it seems I have been buying the console upgrades it's like buying 2 consoles or more per life time. Same for PC. I don't have to upgrade all the time.

So looking it at over a 6 year time, $1200 to "rent" Stadia. So since I am an Xbox player, that would have been the launch version of Xbox One, Xbox One Elite and Xbox One X. I also bought a Laptop. So right there that is priced more than Stadia in a 6 year term.

Add in I need to pay for Xbox Live gold, I save another $60 or so. While I get free games with Xbox Live Gold, we get free games with Stadia starting with the complete version of Destiny 2. While I don't care for Destiny 2 it's a big name and seeing there might be other big names given for free as well.

I can use any controller I want. I can use any plat form I want. Hell I can even use my wife's chrome lap top. I can use my laptop I bought that is out of date now.

I also will not have to worry about it "working". One reason why I went to console. Tired of needing to go to settings and what not to get a game to work.

If Zenimax was smart enough, ESO would be on Google's service now so there shouldn't be added lag or bouncing or what ever it's called. This way we go to Google and play ESO straight with Google and back. If that doesn't happen, then that is Zenimax's fault if they are not already using Google's services.

While it may seem more expensive to use, adding in real history of purchases it seems it's even cheaper and I will actually get maximum graphics for once and not worry about my hardware not being good enough. Now actually comparing in a 6 year period, it's actually cheaper.

Also I can play on my TV. Oh wife wants to watch TV, I use my laptop, or her chrome laptop. Oh I am getting tired now, I can use my tablet to keep playing.

Playing on a tablet before bed or winding down would be great for doing dailies, or crafting or what not. Can't do that with a PC or console. The flexibility of playing anywhere now has increased and not "always stuck at home" playing.

If games like Civilization or Stellaris is on there, playing Huge maps with max races may finally be done.

So extra price? Might just be worth it. Extra price? Might actually be cheaper.

It all comes down to what games will be on Stadia. If there is not many games on there, then Stadia may not be worth it. BUT even if it's only one game that runs perfectly fine and that would be ESO, If I am getting max graphics, great frame rate then it will be worth it. After all $300 a year is cheap compared to upgrading a PC and or console every 2 or 3 years.

Time will tell. Will I get the founders edition? I might. After all, if it's a loss, not much of a big deal. After all, Bethesda has shown me buying their products like ESO on launch and Fallout 76 on launch was a huge waste of money for me. Since ESO redeemed it's self, then I can take a bet on Stadia.

Now only thing I am wanting to know is, if I can use my characters on PC and Xbox to Stadia. I don't want to start all over again. I would want to keep with what real money I bought and stuff I earned in the game. Seeing how Destiny 2 will allow PC (not sure about console) character transfers, I am hoping the same for ESO.

So time will tell and hopefully soon we will get more details.

Rex-Umbra

Hope its cross platform. Just heard on IGN destiny 2 is going cross platform so seeing no reason why ESO cant.

Davor

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Hope its cross platform. Just heard on IGN destiny 2 is going cross platform so seeing no reason why ESO cant.

From the Fallout 76 crowd, mods are cheats. I don't believe that. Thing is, even some quality of life issues make the game easier for people who have them than those who don't.

So if cross platform play will be involved, then no mods should be used at all for ESO.

cheifsoap

vamp_emily wrote: »

Cloud base gaming is the next generation of gaming. It will be interesting to see what it is like.

For who? Certainly not for the US. Data caps exist. Between online gaming, streaming, downloading, and all of the devices that use up those arbitrary caps; I'll be shocked if people stay below their 1TB "data cap"

ManwithBeard9

Destiny 2 will be cross save, but you have to pick an account to overwrite the other profiles. The only way you could play your Xbox profile of ESO is if Microsoft would allow Google access to their accounts, which seems horribly unlikely given Microsoft is working on the XCloud service. ZOS isnt goin to open up another set of servers for Stadia. Stadia will almost assuredly be an access point for your current PC account and nothing more.

People are seriously over-estimating what Stadia is capable of. Its a virtual machine for some games and a cloud based version of steam for others.

Davor

cheifsoap wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Cloud base gaming is the next generation of gaming. It will be interesting to see what it is like.

For who? Certainly not for the US. Data caps exist. Between online gaming, streaming, downloading, and all of the devices that use up those arbitrary caps; I'll be shocked if people stay below their 1TB "data cap"

That is what I thought as well. Thing is, Netflix and other services like that are doing extremely well, so I am shocked they do so well with how a lot of people have caps. Maybe for gaming it will be a different story. Then again, other parts of the world have unlimited plans and no caps. So maybe Google is going after the parts of the world that don't have caps and relying on them.

cheifsoap

Davor wrote: »

cheifsoap wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

Cloud base gaming is the next generation of gaming. It will be interesting to see what it is like.

For who? Certainly not for the US. Data caps exist. Between online gaming, streaming, downloading, and all of the devices that use up those arbitrary caps; I'll be shocked if people stay below their 1TB "data cap"

That is what I thought as well. Thing is, Netflix and other services like that are doing extremely well, so I am shocked they do so well with how a lot of people have caps. Maybe for gaming it will be a different story. Then again, other parts of the world have unlimited plans and no caps. So maybe Google is going after the parts of the world that don't have caps and relying on them.

Back when I had Comcast, I rarely streamed and when I did; I had ensure I wasn't getting near my cap. I was fortunate enough to be a city where Google Fiber (and ATT Fiber) was rolled out so I don't have to worry about that now but yeah...data caps were real when I was with Comcast.

Linaleah

MikaHR wrote: »

Yeah, truth is PCs have become redundant in most households, the only argument nowadays is "high end gaming" (which vast majority of people dont even do).

I think a lot of people are just ignoring a lot of facts and cicrumstances. PC and GPU shipments have been declining for past half a decade, less and less people are buying PCs every year as they just dont need it any more. OTOH, for gaming, PS4 has broken a lot of records in sales, its nearing 100 000 000 sold. Smartphones have seen meteoric sales rise. There is little reason for average Joe to own PC today. "High End Gaming" being the last resort....which Stadia could take away too.

We could see even steeper decline in PC (and espeically GPU) shipments in near future.

you are forgetting couple of factors.

1. modding. unless they some how figure out modding on cloud, pc gaming is going to be alive and well for at least another 3-4 decades at a minimum (and that's assuming that new generation of gamers is completely disinterested in modding... which.. is not a good assumption to make, given how much epople fought... and won at least some sort of modding for consoles)
2. ps4 sold the way that it did because of its exclusives. heck i'm primarily a pc gamer and I own ps4. why? its exclusives are just to darn good to pass up
3. last but not least. infrastructure. according to prima article I just read, stadia is a horrible bandwith hog. which... considering how much of a bandwith hot twitch can be on anything other then the lowest setting - sounds about right. US at least currently has huge issues with entire areas not even having stadia's minimum requirements along with very low bandwith limits. and then... there's input lag.


basically, while cloud is becoming more and more popular, other then gaming, personal work computers are actualy incredibly cheap nowadays (and even gaming has been getting less expensive), and as much as people just LOVE to claim how phones do everything, the screens are tiny. productivity is damn hard on a screen that tiny. gaming is hard on a screen that tiny.

Rex-Umbra

Have 100mps net now been eyeing that new att fiber 300 mps but then saw 1tp data and was like *** that. Give me back net neutrality frick

snoozy

Thrawniel wrote: »

I like the idea of it for travels. But I will wait till they release it for phones other than Pixel.

Maybe it won't be too good for combat, but at least I could do crafting dailies and non-combat stuff. Had to miss a week of golden tickets from anniversary cake this year due to travel. Stadia would be helpful at it!

this.

also i just like the idea of being able to login on whatever device i have with me, for example to do writs or a quick daily BG at uni during boring lectures lol.

but i will only get it if they let us use our existing account.

wondering if/how addons will work, for me most of the game is pretty much unplayable without them by now.

also wondering what megaserver stadia will use. probably pc?
or will they start allowing crossplay with consoles?

stknecb16_ESO

Does TESO support mods when using stadia?

Sylvermynx

Eh, not using cloud. Satellite internet is not optimal for cloud to begin with. Secondarily, I am not trusting the cloud with my stuff.

Yeah yeah, I'm old. Sue me.