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[s]New[/s] Never Ending List of Garbage Sets
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SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Reading through this entire thread has reinforced my believe that anyone calling a certain set "garbage" only goes to show their utter ignorance.
For each and every set someone listed as garbage there was at least one person who figured out a use for it.
So, every time you see someone post about a set being garbage, just remember that they are clueless ...
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elijafire✭✭✭Reading through this entire thread has reinforced my believe that anyone calling a certain set "garbage" only goes to show their utter ignorance.
For each and every set someone listed as garbage there was at least one person who figured out a use for it.
So, every time you see someone post about a set being garbage, just remember that they are clueless ...
It's okay to be wrong.1 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭threads like this destroy the enjoyment of exploring builds they create that others did not find usefull.
builds dependent on certain sets that others called "Garbage" ruined thier game and fun.6 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭they should probably go over a lot of existing sets and improve them instead of creating hundreds more5 -
elijafire✭✭✭threads like this destroy the enjoyment of exploring builds they create that others did not find usefull.
builds dependent on certain sets that others called "Garbage" ruined thier game and fun.
Incorrect, threads like this save new people a looot of time and wasted effort. You're welcome.Nemesis7884 wrote: »they should probably go over a lot of existing sets and improve them instead of creating hundreds more
^ This.1 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
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If that is true... I would just ask a simple question.starkerealm wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »11. Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.
Regarding Tormentor set. Sure, for now it is useless for most builds... but... but there is a very good use case for it (or at lest it would be if this set was not bugged
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(5 items) When you deal damage with a Charge ability, you gain 3642 Physical and Spell Resistance and taunt the enemy to attack you for 15 seconds.
(here is a topic from 2016 and it seems tha back then it was bugged too)
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/239450/charge-abilities-tormentor-set
Charge ability: Skill that moves you towards the target
- shield charge
- critical charge
- focused charge
- teleport strike
- pounce
- dragon leap
With the recent changes to gap closers & the removal of minimum range, Tormentor set would actually make it possible to use Werewolf as a PvE tank. However, Tormentor seems to be bugged right now as I it did not proc on ANY of those abilities.
Just bug-report it and maybe this set will be moved from totally useless garbage set to niche tanking set category.
Tormentor not interacting with Pounce is a deliberate design decision. The team does not want werewolf tanks, so their inability to taunt with Tormentor is not an accident. Worth remembering that simply gaining a taunt would not give the werewolf the tools it needs to function as a tank. It would still lack any meaningful CC options, and would continue to scare adds out of the DPS's AoEs.
Well... I have tested it with all Charge abilities & gap closers. Non of them proced this set... Thus I do believe it is bugged.
I'm basing my position off of conversations with members of the dev team. Tormentor is not supposed to proc on Pounce. That's a deliberate choice. By design, the set is not supposed to proc for Werewolves.
Why ?
Why limit ww usage to a mediocre pve DPS or pvp "I require a healbot" build.
It just does not make sense. It limits diversity both in terms of role and gear. Besides ww has some buffs and de-buffs so it would not be as useless tank as ppl say. Major defile, Major fracture / off-balance de-buff, Empower buff, fear CC root/stun.
I would say if ww had a taunt they would not make a "bis" tank anyway. They will be on the same level as they are as DPS - "ok".
So I dont know what do people fear and why there is this "concrete wall" type players that do not want ww to have a taunt. The point is - ppl would not be forced to be WW to tank end-game content (unlike vamp, that is required for many builds).
And that is just a shame. With changes to gap closers (minimal range removal) I have hoped that I could use ponce as a very flexible single target taunt.
Now I am simply disapointed (hence I do belive that Tormentor is useless since the only scenario when some one would like to use 5 pcs over sloting a taunt skill is WW. In other words - this set does not work in only scenario where it could be considered usefull LOL.
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✭Pelinal Aptitude is nowhere useless. It's widely used by hybrids in pvp, because in fact its only option.
Gossamer is also used in organised pvp groups, because magicka specs can't get Major Evasion alone.2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »
If that is true... I would just ask a simple question.starkerealm wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »11. Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.
Regarding Tormentor set. Sure, for now it is useless for most builds... but... but there is a very good use case for it (or at lest it would be if this set was not bugged ).
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Charge ability, you gain 3642 Physical and Spell Resistance and taunt the enemy to attack you for 15 seconds.
(here is a topic from 2016 and it seems tha back then it was bugged too)
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/239450/charge-abilities-tormentor-set
Charge ability: Skill that moves you towards the target
- shield charge
- critical charge
- focused charge
- teleport strike
- pounce
- dragon leap
With the recent changes to gap closers & the removal of minimum range, Tormentor set would actually make it possible to use Werewolf as a PvE tank. However, Tormentor seems to be bugged right now as I it did not proc on ANY of those abilities.
Just bug-report it and maybe this set will be moved from totally useless garbage set to niche tanking set category.
Tormentor not interacting with Pounce is a deliberate design decision. The team does not want werewolf tanks, so their inability to taunt with Tormentor is not an accident. Worth remembering that simply gaining a taunt would not give the werewolf the tools it needs to function as a tank. It would still lack any meaningful CC options, and would continue to scare adds out of the DPS's AoEs.
Well... I have tested it with all Charge abilities & gap closers. Non of them proced this set... Thus I do believe it is bugged.
I'm basing my position off of conversations with members of the dev team. Tormentor is not supposed to proc on Pounce. That's a deliberate choice. By design, the set is not supposed to proc for Werewolves.
Why ?
Why limit ww usage to a mediocre pve DPS or pvp "I require a healbot" build.
It just does not make sense. It limits diversity both in terms of role and gear. Besides ww has some buffs and de-buffs so it would not be as useless tank as ppl say. Major defile, Major fracture / off-balance de-buff, Empower buff, fear CC root/stun.
I would say if ww had a taunt they would not make a "bis" tank anyway. They will be on the same level as they are as DPS - "ok".
So I dont know what do people fear and why there is this "concrete wall" type players that do not want ww to have a taunt. The point is - ppl would not be forced to be WW to tank end-game content (unlike vamp, that is required for many builds).
And that is just a shame. With changes to gap closers (minimal range removal) I have hoped that I could use ponce as a very flexible single target taunt.
Now I am simply disapointed (hence I do belive that Tormentor is useless since the only scenario when some one would like to use 5 pcs over sloting a taunt skill is WW. In other words - this set does not work in only scenario where it could be considered usefull LOL. ).
Well, in the specific context of Tormentor, I don't have official confirmation on the thought process, but I can piece most of it together on my own. Werewolves have no parts of the tank kit. Even if you gave a wolf a taunt, they'd still have no way to move adds around, and no useful CC options. They have a self-heal, but so does everyone else.
As for why they don't want werewolf tanks? Because their goal is for the werewolf to be a sort of "berserker" mechanic for the DPS who want to use it. You're supposed to wolf out and rampage through enemies. Of course, the end result is, you may be able to outperform a wolf if you know what you're doing, but we already knew that.
Do I think you could, thematically, create a trinity of werewolves if you built the game around it? Yeah, you could. But, that's not the way wolves are designed.
So far as it goes, I'd love to see both monster lines expanded into full three line skill trees, possibly with additional monsters, like other vampire or lycanthropy variants added to the mix. But, for the moment, this is what we have. The werewolf doesn't have the tools to tank (and this goes beyond just lacking a taunt), and the werewolf isn't supposed to be the tank.1 -
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The necromancer didn't exist when that post was made. Given the mechanics, I'm a little unsure if Necromancers can make use of Hunt Leader. That said, the Warden did exist, and can use Hunt Leader.0 -
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Werewolf with the two wolf pets to.starkerealm wrote: »
The necromancer didn't exist when that post was made. Given the mechanics, I'm a little unsure if Necromancers can make use of Hunt Leader. That said, the Warden did exist, and can use Hunt Leader.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭Another day another tryhard crying about something."Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
So you want to be a game developer? Here is the best way to go about it.3 -
bulbousb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you are not very astute, you should instead ask the community for guidance on the merits of a particular set, instead of declaring it to be garbage. Educate yourself.Lethal zergling2 -
Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ITT: white knights defending garbage.
Very millennial of you, maybe you should look at your other choices for MMO's? But I have the feeling you would be screeching this no matter what MMO you are playing."Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
So you want to be a game developer? Here is the best way to go about it.4 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Rain_Greyraven wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ITT: white knights defending garbage.
Very millennial of you, maybe you should look at your other choices for MMO's? But I have the feeling you would be screeching this no matter what MMO you are playing.
Lol screeching.
Lol millennial.
I am perfectly happy with the game. You can like the game and still recognize garbage. It is all right. No one is going to blame you for calling garbage, garbage. Or rather, ought not.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on June 3, 2019 4:32PM2 -
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If you lack insight and don't understand, ask other people to explain it to you. No one is going to blame you if you ask for help.Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »No one is going to blame you for calling garbage, garbage. Or rather, ought not.
Lethal zergling4 -
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✭Hi OP. I have to disagree with 17. Werewolf Pack Leader has 2 direwolf pets. I think it is underrated and has potential.3 -
Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Rain_Greyraven wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ITT: white knights defending garbage.
Very millennial of you, maybe you should look at your other choices for MMO's? But I have the feeling you would be screeching this no matter what MMO you are playing.
Lol screeching.
Lol millennial.
I am perfectly happy with the game. You can like the game and still recognize garbage. It is all right. No one is going to blame you for calling garbage, garbage. Or rather, ought not.
Garbage is subjective...you can toss semantics around all day...bottom line most folks don't agree with you."Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
So you want to be a game developer? Here is the best way to go about it.4 -
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In celebration of Necro?This list is very old so why is everyone yelling?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/333727/why-not-necroLethal zergling0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This list is very old so why is everyone yelling?
because this thread is trying to destroy sets and change sets and ruin peoples choices simply because one person or 3 people don't like some sets.
one person hates the way that set is made so they make threads and bash and insult and do all they can to make those sets look bad until the devs teams changes and most often destroys those particular sets.
and as a counter many of us are here trying to stop that from happening by commenting and showing that all the sets need to be left alone because many people ARE using and enjoying the sets, AND that one mans trash is another mans Treasure!
just because one person thinks the set or a group of sets are Trash while the rest of the community DOES like that set and even considers it a Treasure. and making these types of threads ruins people builds, it also ruins people freedom of Exploration and build design with Hundreds of different types of sets.1 -
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✭✭This list is very old so why is everyone yelling?
because this thread is trying to destroy sets and change sets and ruin peoples choices simply because one person or 3 people don't like some sets.
one person hates the way that set is made so they make threads and bash and insult and do all they can to make those sets look bad until the devs teams changes and most often destroys those particular sets.
and as a counter many of us are here trying to stop that from happening by commenting and showing that all the sets need to be left alone because many people ARE using and enjoying the sets, AND that one mans trash is another mans Treasure!
just because one person thinks the set or a group of sets are Trash while the rest of the community DOES like that set and even considers it a Treasure. and making these types of threads ruins people builds, it also ruins people freedom of Exploration and build design with Hundreds of different types of sets.
I completely agree with you. I just dont think such an old list is worth discussing and I really dont think anyone from zos would consider making changes based on this thread.
I love making builds out of sets people consider useless. I use the knightmare set on my solo build because dw/bow doesnt have access to minor maim and neither do templars, and the minor maim provides more mitigation than any other 5 pc bonus.1 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Rain_Greyraven wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Rain_Greyraven wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ITT: white knights defending garbage.
Very millennial of you, maybe you should look at your other choices for MMO's? But I have the feeling you would be screeching this no matter what MMO you are playing.
Lol screeching.
Lol millennial.
I am perfectly happy with the game. You can like the game and still recognize garbage. It is all right. No one is going to blame you for calling garbage, garbage. Or rather, ought not.
Garbage is subjective...you can toss semantics around all day...bottom line most folks don't agree with you.
"most" most people that say that don't really understand the game. now come on. is it really subjective that you will get better sustain from VO then hunt leader? or better healing from a basic set like hundings that will also amp your own healing, unlike the 5 piece from hunt leader? no. those are just the facts. what is making you defend poorly designed sets? it is really mind boggling. we gain nothing from having garbage sets in the game. nothing but free mats.
also with all the ellipsis in your post, you look like you are just meandering around. makes you look like you just do not know what you are talking about.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on June 3, 2019 9:35PM0 -
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✭✭Has anyone tested the new version of Shieldbreaker set yet? Or have those changes not gone live.0 -
worir5✭✭✭Lots of sets fill niche roles and are useful in certain scenarios, these are the sets that many consider to be underwhelmingPC-EU @DocCmonMan0 -
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Werewolf with the two wolf pets to.starkerealm wrote: »
The necromancer didn't exist when that post was made. Given the mechanics, I'm a little unsure if Necromancers can make use of Hunt Leader. That said, the Warden did exist, and can use Hunt Leader.
Amusingly, Pack Leader didn't exist in it's current form when Wrothgar dropped. Back then, the morph extended the duration of nearby Werewolves for 2 seconds without the pets. I'm not 100% sure when the morph was overhauled. So, when it was created, there really was no use for Hunt Leader. Now, yeah, Werewolf is one possible use, though I'm not convinced it's a a good choice, given there are better options.1
