[s]New[/s] Never Ending List of Garbage Sets

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

@elijafire sorry to disappoint man but hircine its literally the best stam sustain set for pvp out there (no those who even get hit by eternal hunt deserve to be tbagged )

Gilvoth

so you guys just want sets deleted and removed because they are not what you think is a good set ingame?

Nihility42

xbobx wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

MrGarlic wrote: »

Imza wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Imza wrote: »

treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?

The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.


Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.

but that means you loose 2 skill slots by having to have Inner light on both bars..... hmmmm.....

I totally agree.

Treasure Hunter works on the build I tested it on much better than Mother's Sorrow did. Increases my DPS and frees up 2 skill slots.

use crit/spelldmg/magicka-potions and you don't need inner light(although it would increase your magicka-->dps) and treasure hunter.

i hate comments of, just use potions.

yes, lets just toss money away on potions if you are just running overland content for fun. Not everyone spends their days in arenas and dungeons

If you're just running overland content for fun, you don't even need sets. Why toss time or money away to even get them?

xbobx

Asardes wrote: »

xbobx wrote: »

would briarheart paired with accuity be a good double set for something like stamina nightblade?

that would be a lot of up time on crits.

If he's a cat that would be a pretty good combo. For any other race Mechanical Acuity would be better instead of Briarheart; Acuity is better the lower the critical rating you have. If it's >65%, sets with 2 x 688 critical will be better.

i am talking about both sets together

xbobx

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

@elijafire sorry to disappoint man but hircine its literally the best stam sustain set for pvp out there (no those who even get hit by eternal hunt deserve to be tbagged )

anyone that does tbag needs to seek therapy immediately if they are over the age of 10

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

@elijafire sorry to disappoint man but hircine its literally the best stam sustain set for pvp out there (no those who even get hit by eternal hunt deserve to be tbagged )

There are at least 2 other Stam "sustain" sets in the game that are better, http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Marksman's_Crest and http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Trappings_of_Invigoration both of those will give you better stamina sustain. I could go through the math to show you.

Asardes

Maybe @xenowarrior92eb17_ESO was referring to Hircine's Veneer as a sustain set for coordinated PvP groups that have a lot of stamina players, since in PvP people run with high base recovery > 1300, and that 12% means much more than in PvE, where they run with default base recovery 600-700 and that set won't do much.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Asardes wrote: »

Maybe @xenowarrior92eb17_ESO was referring to Hircine's Veneer as a sustain set for coordinated PvP groups that have a lot of stamina players, since in PvP people run with high base recovery > 1300, and that 12% means much more than in PvE, where they run with default base recovery 600-700 and that set won't do much.

Yes, it would be nice to have a "buff [snip]" that wears it in a 12 man group, that is clearly better for the group. But that is not what they said so. They even mentioned eternal hunt, which is a selfish set, so that makes it even more clear they were not talking about what you brought up.

Also please tell me how you get to 1300 BASE regen? Even with regen food (457)and a set that has 2 (129+129) regen on it you are only at 1227. Base base is 512.

[Edited to remove profanity]

Qbiken

Pelinial a bad set? Where´s my lol button?

Jameliel

Martial Knowledge 5-piece bonus is useless, but 4-piece is nice in PvP mix-matched with others.

elijafire

The list is too long and keeps growing maybe someone start a list of sets that are worth using, there can't be more than 10.

D0PAMINE

elijafire wrote: »

The list is too long and keeps growing maybe someone start a list of sets that are worth using, there can't be more than 10.

Those lists are out there already dude, esspecially in updated build guides.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

@elijafire sorry to disappoint man but hircine its literally the best stam sustain set for pvp out there (no those who even get hit by eternal hunt deserve to be tbagged )

There are at least 2 other Stam "sustain" sets in the game that are better, http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Marksman's_Crest and http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Trappings_of_Invigoration both of those will give you better stamina sustain. I could go through the math to show you.

i would like to point out this was made when hircine was 12% regen, not 4% cost reduction, with it being cost reduction, it makes it a much better set.

dazee

I'm working on a character who will use ice furnace and ysgrammors lol. I dont expect it to be the best performing character ever but I'm sure I can make it decent.

Gilvoth

SirAndy wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

sets that are utterly useless

Useless to you? Sure.
Useless to the rest of the players? Not so much.

Glad i could help ...

this ^

just cause he thinks their useless he make thread.
while the rest of us do want those sets.
this is pure selfishness.

it should be noted that this forum is a very small % of the people in the eso community.
if you want to know what the entire community of eso thinks about any subject then ask them all by @name instead of making 1 thread that 98% of eso community will never see.

there is a huge community of players that never even come to the forums.

Jameliel

To be fair and honest in a practical sense, most of the sets are useless. Sure you can equip any of them and dilly dally around. Still, most of them are junk when it comes to serious gameplay.

Dr3sden

Twlight Remedy - minor force should last 40 session.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Dr3sden wrote: »

Twlight Remedy - minor force should last 40 session.

Minor force is easy to get these days, it the critical hit damage increase ought to be a unique buff, would be a great set then.

ccfeeling

If the DEV team modify the old sets as useful as the new sets , it might affect the new DLC sales amount

That's why they rarely update those sets or even nerf them !

zaria

Jameliel wrote: »

To be fair and honest in a practical sense, most of the sets are useless. Sure you can equip any of them and dilly dally around. Still, most of them are junk when it comes to serious gameplay.

Some are not biz but still good, some are second tire but nice for new players as they are cheap.
Some are niche but still have uses, for overland this is sets who are cheap and people give away in dungeons.

And some are garbage either because they are weak or bugged. Add how easy they are to get, an dungeon set who is worse in all way than crafted or an cheap overland set is junk as its no reason to farm it as you can just buy the cheap overland one or craft it.

Arunei

Mmmmm, I'll have to disagree with you on Toothrow being useless. Just because it's the Stam version of a Magicka set doesn't make it useless, or any other sets that are Stam/Mag versions of other sets. If anything it allows for diversity.

I run 5/5/2 Toothrow/Hund's/Slimecraw on my Stamblade and she hits 30k+ DPS even in vDLC dungeons. Granted I know that might not be the greatest to all the min/maxers in this game, but for what I do, it's more than enough. I don't run vHM Trials or anything crazy like that, mostly because I'm not nearly that good, heh. And because of that, I can't really farm any of the harder trials for better gear. I've tested numerous different sets on this girl and so far the current setup I run has worked the best, especially since the hardest content I've done so far in ESO is vHotR dungeons.

thank gods I never have to run those ever again

idk

elijafire wrote: »

17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.
28. Pelinal's Aptitude[/url] - It's just plain awkward, you have to jump through hoops to try and do what other sets do easily and better.

I just did a quick pass. And yes, I understand these posts and threads are just opinions and it is good to have the discussions.

However, these two are great points that it helps to have a wider understanding of the game.

At the time this thread was created I am pretty sure there were stam pets in this game, beyond the clanfear doing physical damage. The Warden had pets without question.
Further, the comment on the Pelinal's Aptitude set did not make sense. Not that I am into hybrids but I cannot think of another set that does this so well and easily. Yet OP seems to think it is challenging to get it to work and other sets do it easily and better.

I really did not go though and comb and left alone sets that my comment would just be nit picking. I have no issues with most of the sets not being so great. With as many sets as we have in game it is not something I would want Zos to focus on making all of them very useful. Just seems like a waste of energies to keep all on par.

SickDuck

elijafire wrote: »

The list is too long and keeps growing maybe someone start a list of sets that are worth using, there can't be more than 10.

Or maybe instead of digging out an outdated thread just create a fresh one?

Dr3sden

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Dr3sden wrote: »

Twlight Remedy - minor force should last 40 session.

Minor force is easy to get these days, it the critical hit damage increase ought to be a unique buff, would be a great set then.

My thoughts are allow healers to save DPS a bar slot with it having minor force.

ESO_Nightingale

23. Ysgramor's Birthright. 400 SD for cold abilities mainly bc its borked and doesn't proc off of half of the frost abilities, if this is "as intended" then "abilities" is far to ambiguous.

I just made a post on this, according to my findings, this is false, it does work on all of them, but only ever buffs the frost damage that they do instead of buffing the entire skill if it has multiple damage types.

Jeremy

ADarklore wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

This game has such a vast variety of sets it's pretty much a given you aren't going to like a lot of them. But none of them are useless. They may just compare poorly to the sets you prefer based on your own preferences and play style.

A lot of your arguments seem flawed to me as well. For example: you dismiss the treasure hunter set as useless because you say you can get the major prophecy buff from other sources. While that is true - as a Templar wearing this set would allow me to free up an ability slot instead of having to rely on either Inner Light or vampire's bane/reflective light to obtain it. And having an extra ability slot to work with can hardly be described as useless. So I think you exaggerate when you call these sets useless - especially when you do it on that basis.

Regarding bolded... as others have noted, Inner Light isn't JUST for the crit buff, it also gives you 7% Max Magicka, more if you have other MG skills slotted. Now figure that 7% is roughly 2500+ increase to max magicka, equating to about 250ish or so extra spell damage. So what are you slotting that's giving you the extra spell damage and extra resources that IM does? Are you really actively using all 10 skills that one or two couldn't be sacrificed in order to gain those benefits?

How old is this thread? Because I frankly don't even remember writing this post...

But yeah, I still agree with myself here. Considering this game has such a limited amount of skill slots I can envision someone using the Treasure Hunter set for the major prophecy buff so as to free up a slot.

I don't use it personally. But to describe it as useless seems a bit exaggerated.

Jeremy

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Twice born star. The 5-piece bonus is on par with other sets, with 7 pieces divines. Mage offers about the same as Necropotence, Apprentice is about the same as Julianos, same with Warrior and Hundings, Lover and Spriggans/Spinners.

The problem is the 2-4 piece bonuses. Unlike all the useful sets I just used for comparison, TBS offers Max Health, Stamina, and Magicka. 1/3 of these are useless for PVE DPS, and the health is also not really needed. I would recommend making the hybrid bonuses dual purpose like some of the newer sets, in order to keep this set relevant (it is a 9 trait crafted set, and should be good).

Maybe go with something like this:

(2) Max Health
(3) Max Magicka and Stamina
(4) Weapon and Spell Damage
(5) Double Mundus Stones

Or possibly change the 2 piece to Magicka and Stamina Recovery, instead of health. I don't think that the set should have crit or penetration, since these would make choosing the Thief or Lover stone less desirable as a 2nd Mundus.

Twice Born Star is more versatile and lets you mix and match different Mundus Stone effects. So that is one advantage it has over the other sets that grant similar bonuses.

Being able to do multiple things poorly does not balance it against sets that do one thing well.

The bonuses from Mundus Stones aren't poor though. So I don't understand your point. They are good and offer a wide variety of options.

It would be silly if they offered a better bonus than the more specialized sets - as that would defeat the purpose of being specialized.

@Jeremy I don't think it would be silly at all for a 9-trait crafted set to slightly outperform all the 6-trait crafted sets. Even if it was just by 1-2%, the more difficult to craft set should be slightly better. This used to be the case before Thief and Shadow were both nerfed into the ground.

As it stands, there is no combination of Mundus stones that make TBS worth using in PVE. Which ones do you think make this set useful?

I've used Twice Born Star before, both for PvE and PvP.

Combinations I like, Lord/Atronach, Ritual/Apprentice.... I think I used some others too but can't remember. This thread is very old I think.

But I certainly don't think Twice Born Star is a "useless" set. It's also versatile, because you can change up the bonuses for different situations. I'm not one of those players who believe anything that doesn't produce the max amount of DPS/HPS on some chart is useless.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

xbobx wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

@elijafire sorry to disappoint man but hircine its literally the best stam sustain set for pvp out there (no those who even get hit by eternal hunt deserve to be tbagged )

anyone that does tbag needs to seek therapy immediately if they are over the age of 10

this is the line of someone who gets demolished in 1v1 fights...thx for clearing out

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

idk wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.
28. Pelinal's Aptitude[/url] - It's just plain awkward, you have to jump through hoops to try and do what other sets do easily and better.

I just did a quick pass. And yes, I understand these posts and threads are just opinions and it is good to have the discussions.

However, these two are great points that it helps to have a wider understanding of the game.

At the time this thread was created I am pretty sure there were stam pets in this game, beyond the clanfear doing physical damage. The Warden had pets without question.

yes, the clannfear does physical damage but that damage only scales with max magic, making the clanfear totally useless to proc this set, as the damage from eh clannfear will only doing like 100 dps. the clanfear is a tank skill, full stop. the only class that can make any use is a bear using warden. as has been stated in this thread.

Dr3sden wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Dr3sden wrote: »

Twlight Remedy - minor force should last 40 session.

Minor force is easy to get these days, it the critical hit damage increase ought to be a unique buff, would be a great set then.

My thoughts are allow healers to save DPS a bar slot with it having minor force.

which is a great goal but the benefits of channeled acceleration, mainly the 5k ward, and trap, the actual damage and the 3% weapon damage, out way the benefits of the healer wearing this set.

Arunei wrote: »

Mmmmm, I'll have to disagree with you on Toothrow being useless. Just because it's the Stam version of a Magicka set doesn't make it useless, or any other sets that are Stam/Mag versions of other sets. If anything it allows for diversity.

I run 5/5/2 Toothrow/Hund's/Slimecraw on my Stamblade and she hits 30k+ DPS even in vDLC dungeons. Granted I know that might not be the greatest to all the min/maxers in this game, but for what I do, it's more than enough. I don't run vHM Trials or anything crazy like that, mostly because I'm not nearly that good, heh. And because of that, I can't really farm any of the harder trials for better gear. I've tested numerous different sets on this girl and so far the current setup I run has worked the best, especially since the hardest content I've done so far in ESO is vHotR dungeons.

thank gods I never have to run those ever again

my stam sorc wears this set, does about the same as your stamblade (my stamblade uses evil hunter on the front bar with Vo and TFS and veli, also gets 30k dps, without crafted pots) but the fact is if we both swapped out this set and use almost any other set in its place and just chugged pots like a real dps, our damage would go up and not a small amount.

joseayalac

Lol there actually are Stam pets in the game... look out Warden