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[s]New[/s] Never Ending List of Garbage Sets
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elijafire✭✭✭17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.
28. Pelinal's Aptitude[/url] - It's just plain awkward, you have to jump through hoops to try and do what other sets do easily and better.
I just did a quick pass. And yes, I understand these posts and threads are just opinions and it is good to have the discussions.
However, these two are great points that it helps to have a wider understanding of the game.
At the time this thread was created I am pretty sure there were stam pets in this game, beyond the clanfear doing physical damage. The Warden had pets without question.
Further, the comment on the Pelinal's Aptitude set did not make sense. Not that I am into hybrids but I cannot think of another set that does this so well and easily. Yet OP seems to think it is challenging to get it to work and other sets do it easily and better.
I really did not go though and comb and left alone sets that my comment would just be nit picking. I have no issues with most of the sets not being so great. With as many sets as we have in game it is not something I would want Zos to focus on making all of them very useful. Just seems like a waste of energies to keep all on par.
You didn't know clan scaled off of Magicka? Well it helps to have a deeper understanding of the game.
Pelinal's is utterly useless unless you very carefully build around it. It's not "challenging" as you put it, just convoluted and worthless.
Thanks for your opinions tho, really insightful.1 -
Cavedog✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why don't we have a list of the good sets to keep?
Seriously.
There are only about 5 sets each for mag and stam that aren't special use sets. There are maybe 10 sets in the whole game worth taking up the unbelievably restricted storage space in ESO.
We should probably just have a list of these sets, and not save anything else.
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elijafire✭✭✭Why don't we have a list of the good sets to keep?
Seriously.
There are only about 5 sets each for mag and stam that aren't special use sets. There are maybe 10 sets in the whole game worth taking up the unbelievably restricted storage space in ESO.
We should probably just have a list of these sets, and not save anything else.
^ This, great idea.The list is too long and keeps growing maybe someone start a list of sets that are worth using, there can't be more than 10.
^ Or maybe this guy can do it instead of just telling other people what to do.Edited by elijafire on December 17, 2018 5:00PM0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭joseayalac wrote: »Lol there actually are Stam pets in the game... look out Warden
what are you trying to say here?Why don't we have a list of the good sets to keep?
Seriously.
There are only about 5 sets each for mag and stam that aren't special use sets. There are maybe 10 sets in the whole game worth taking up the unbelievably restricted storage space in ESO.
We should probably just have a list of these sets, and not save anything else.
^ This, great idea.The list is too long and keeps growing maybe someone start a list of sets that are worth using, there can't be more than 10.
^ Or maybe this guy can do it instead of just telling other people what to do.
You can get a full list of set to use on any build site, as has had been said many times in this thread. That is why you do need a thread of non garbage sets.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.
28. Pelinal's Aptitude[/url] - It's just plain awkward, you have to jump through hoops to try and do what other sets do easily and better.
I just did a quick pass. And yes, I understand these posts and threads are just opinions and it is good to have the discussions.
However, these two are great points that it helps to have a wider understanding of the game.
At the time this thread was created I am pretty sure there were stam pets in this game, beyond the clanfear doing physical damage. The Warden had pets without question.
yes, the clannfear does physical damage but that damage only scales with max magic, making the clanfear totally useless to proc this set, as the damage from eh clannfear will only doing like 100 dps. the clanfear is a tank skill, full stop. the only class that can make any use is a bear using warden. as has been stated in this thread.
Yes, Thx for supporting my statement that the OP has incorrect information. That there are clearly stam pets that make this set useful. BTW, the netch should be procing this set so the bear is not required.Edited by idk on December 18, 2018 8:17AM0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.
28. Pelinal's Aptitude[/url] - It's just plain awkward, you have to jump through hoops to try and do what other sets do easily and better.
I just did a quick pass. And yes, I understand these posts and threads are just opinions and it is good to have the discussions.
However, these two are great points that it helps to have a wider understanding of the game.
At the time this thread was created I am pretty sure there were stam pets in this game, beyond the clanfear doing physical damage. The Warden had pets without question.
yes, the clannfear does physical damage but that damage only scales with max magic, making the clanfear totally useless to proc this set, as the damage from eh clannfear will only doing like 100 dps. the clanfear is a tank skill, full stop. the only class that can make any use is a bear using warden. as has been stated in this thread.
Yes, Thx for supporting my statement that the OP has incorrect information. That there are clearly stam pets that make this set useful. BTW, the netch should be procing this set so the bear is not required.
The netch does not attack anything. The clanfear is a straight DPS loss, no matter how you frame it, you gain nothing using that set and clanfear.1 -
elijafire✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »joseayalac wrote: »Lol there actually are Stam pets in the game... look out Warden
what are you trying to say here?Why don't we have a list of the good sets to keep?
Seriously.
There are only about 5 sets each for mag and stam that aren't special use sets. There are maybe 10 sets in the whole game worth taking up the unbelievably restricted storage space in ESO.
We should probably just have a list of these sets, and not save anything else.
^ This, great idea.The list is too long and keeps growing maybe someone start a list of sets that are worth using, there can't be more than 10.
^ Or maybe this guy can do it instead of just telling other people what to do.
You can get a full list of set to use on any build site, as has had been said many times in this thread. That is why you do need a thread of non garbage sets.
Not true. They pigeon hole you into what they consider to be the META. None of them give a comprehensive consolidated list of sets actually worth putting on.
It's kinda crazy too because most of these sets can be easily made worth while by lowering the CD's to 3 seconds, adjusting values or even just adding a stat to the 5pc to make it worth looking at.2 -
Dinsjre✭✭the warden isn't the only one who can use the hunt leader set, try it on a nightblade tank with the shadow skill.Gildenmeister von Ars Necandi2 -
elijafire✭✭✭the warden isn't the only one who can use the hunt leader set, try it on a nightblade tank with the shadow skill.
See this is the type of answer I respect, it shows some in depth thinking and realistic application.
That said however I believe I caveat the OP by saying I don't consider very NICHE and/or "can be done better with other sets" suggestions/defenses which to be fair is 90% of the responses I got to this thread and the main reason I am not responding to every one of them.
Frankly, my time is very valuable and I am trying to help the game as a whole to be more diverse and less restrictive in gear choices.
Although your suggestion is both VERY niche and "can be done better with other sets" it at least shows some depth besides the "I wear it therefore its good" mentality I normally get.
TLDNR: All previously listed sets are still garbage. Someone with in-depth knowledge of the game and how all facets interact should be creating and others with that SAME KNOWLEDGE should be testing BEFORE these sets get released.
As it is you have about 3 sets if you want to be viable for vet DLC content and to me that is unacceptable. I tried to let it go but they keep pumping out sets that are quite amazing and unique BUT USELESS because of ONE thing... either too long a CD, not enough payoff for insane trigger requirements and or very underwhelming stats building up to the 5th piece payoff.
This is why you see some of the biggest names in the game forgoing even monster helmet sets in favor of raw stat sets or sets that trigger a theme that they just can't fit in to a standard 5/5/2 makeup or even a 4/4/1/1/1/2 makeup.
Lets take one set as an example:
Hatchling's Shell
Set bonus
(2 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(3 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(4 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(5 items) Gain a damage shield equal to 20% of your Max Health for 15 seconds every 15 seconds.
This used to be:
Hatchling's Shell
Set bonus
2 Items: Adds 2975 Physical Resistance.
3 Items: Adds 2975 Spell Resistance.
4 Items: Adds 4% Healing Taken.
5 Items: Hatchling’s Shell
Gain a Damage Shield that absorbs 5000 Damage every 15 seconds.
And was originally released with the mechanic that if you bar swapped you could refresh the shield to the full 5k. Sounds broken? Well to people who did not know better it did. But if anyone had taken just a few minutes to do a search they would have found https://reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/7g2vd0/daily_set_discussion_hatchlings_shell/ that it was in fact NOT OP at all but in fact was still underwhelming and there were at least 6 other sets at that time that "did it better".
Although I do admire their attempt at reworking the set it is STILL VERY underwhelming. It is as if they got a lightbulb idea then gave it 1kw of energy.
They changed ONE of the stats away from the utterly useless 4% healing done and put to max health which was smart... but only ONE stat went that way... sure resistances apply to shields now but even then the amount of the damage absorbed is a PITTANCE when dealing with serious content of either PvE or PvP type.
PvE.. vCR boss pulses UNshieldaABLE damage totally bypassing this shield so wont work there it COULD be used on bosses that don't have that issue but guess what, there are TONS of other sets that (do it better).
PvP: In CP everyone dumps points into Shattering Blows nullifying most shields this one being no exception. Non CP is where it REALLY shines bc the resistance on the set is actually useful but the bubble YEP still pitiful. If you boost the shield up with health sets then you are forgoing crit resist sets that are practically a must in no CP. On top of all that YEP you guessed it there are at least 5 other sets that are better.
So in conclusion even if I specialized hard into health and tried to make the most of this set... still falls short and is a waste of time. How to fix this particular set? Give the 5th piece a health bonus of say 2k and/or increase the percentage to 40%.
Finished, done, easy. Now when I look at this set and compare it to others I have to think about it, as it is, thinking done with 5 seconds of napkin math and its a no go.
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elijafire✭✭✭Androconium wrote: »My farm overalls are Fiords with night mother accessories.
Hot.0 -
RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭I wonder if any of the new Elswyer Sets deserve to be on this list.Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.1 -
russelmmendoza✭✭✭✭✭
✭Soon every set you use on a nightblade is gonna be garbage.
Lesson 1, dont use nightblade when elsweyr goes on live server.
Lesson 2, dont waste anything on nightblade on elsweyr live server.
Now go buy more crowns.1 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm curious as to why you took the negative approach instead of a more positive approach.
Why would people keep armor they don't use and have it "clutter their inventory" ? They wouldn't. They would sell it to a vendor or break it down.
Why would these be confusing new players? New players are not expecting to come into the game stomping all over the veteran players. Part of learning the game is experimenting with new stuff you find, see if it works for you.
Would have been a much better thread if you just listed what best gear is at this point for various builds, and why.
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not sure how Warrior Poet can be considered a garbage set. I think it's pretty good myself. If I was an Imperial It'd probably be one of the sets I used.Edited by Jeremy on May 6, 2019 9:55AM0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Fair point. But what if you don't have a warden in your group? It seems to me it wouldn't be garbage then.Edited by Jeremy on May 6, 2019 10:09AM0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Fair point. But what if you don't have a warden in your group?
run plague doctor. for that 10% from WP to beat PD, you would have to have 40k base health. you do not have 40k base health. and you would still have the extra 10% from minor toughness when you do play with a warden.
Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on May 6, 2019 10:11AM1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Fair point. But what if you don't have a warden in your group?
run plague doctor.
Plague doctor doesn't give you any resistance. Warrior Poet does. I would consider both sets good.Edited by Jeremy on May 6, 2019 10:10AM0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Fair point. But what if you don't have a warden in your group?
run plague doctor.
Plague doctor doesn't give you any resistance. Warrior Poet does. I would consider both sets good.
you dont need the extra resists, they are superfluous, people tank in medium armor, the healing taken is a much better stat. and for that 10% from WP to beat PD, you would have to have 40k base health. you do not have 40k base health. and you would still have the extra 10% from minor toughness when you do play with a warden.2 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Fair point. But what if you don't have a warden in your group?
run plague doctor.
Plague doctor doesn't give you any resistance. Warrior Poet does. I would consider both sets good.
you dont need the extra resists, they are superfluous, people tank in medium armor, the healing taken is a much better stat. and for that 10% from WP to beat PD, you would have to have 40k base health. you do not have 40k base health. and you would still have the extra 10% from minor toughness when you do play with a warden.
Extra resistance helps me. I've tried playing all health tanks. I like it for PvP but for PvE I preferred having a balance of health and resistance. Besides, you could always use both sets.Edited by Jeremy on May 6, 2019 10:16AM1 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Fair point. But what if you don't have a warden in your group?
run plague doctor.
Plague doctor doesn't give you any resistance. Warrior Poet does. I would consider both sets good.
you dont need the extra resists, they are superfluous, people tank in medium armor, the healing taken is a much better stat. and for that 10% from WP to beat PD, you would have to have 40k base health. you do not have 40k base health. and you would still have the extra 10% from minor toughness when you do play with a warden.
Extra resistance helps me. I've tried playing all health. I like it for PvP but for PvE I preferred having a balance of health and resistance. Besides, you could always use both sets.
clearly nothing is going to make you feel different. i explained the reason that WP is the list, for good reason and you are like, nah.2 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Fair point. But what if you don't have a warden in your group?
run plague doctor.
Plague doctor doesn't give you any resistance. Warrior Poet does. I would consider both sets good.
you dont need the extra resists, they are superfluous, people tank in medium armor, the healing taken is a much better stat. and for that 10% from WP to beat PD, you would have to have 40k base health. you do not have 40k base health. and you would still have the extra 10% from minor toughness when you do play with a warden.
Extra resistance helps me. I've tried playing all health. I like it for PvP but for PvE I preferred having a balance of health and resistance. Besides, you could always use both sets.
clearly nothing is going to make you feel different. i explained the reason that WP is the list, for good reason and you are like, nah.
I did more than just say "nah". I explained to you that I've tried all health tanks and I preferred a balance of health and resistance. If you do better with more health more power to you. Certain play styles probably perform better under different situations. But I've used both Warrior Poet and Plague Doctor and don't consider either of these sets to be garbage.
But you did explain your position so we can agree to disagree. That's fine. ^^Edited by Jeremy on May 6, 2019 10:22AM0 -
phantasmalD✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Fair point. But what if you don't have a warden in your group?
run plague doctor.
Plague doctor doesn't give you any resistance. Warrior Poet does. I would consider both sets good.
you dont need the extra resists, they are superfluous, people tank in medium armor, the healing taken is a much better stat. and for that 10% from WP to beat PD, you would have to have 40k base health. you do not have 40k base health. and you would still have the extra 10% from minor toughness when you do play with a warden.
Extra resistance helps me. I've tried playing all health tanks. I like it for PvP but for PvE I preferred having a balance of health and resistance. Besides, you could always use both sets.
Resistances are capped at 33k or 50% mitigation. Usually heavy armor+class/race passives+Major Resolve/Ward+Lord Warden proc is more than enough to hit the cap.
Anything above is superfluous in PvE, as there's pretty much like only one mechanism in one specific dungeon in one specific fight that lowers your armor rating and that one pretty much nullifies it anyway.
In PvP extra resistances can be mildly helpful to battle the penetration other players have but more health is still better than the extra 3-4% mitigation you would get from that strat.2 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Fair point. But what if you don't have a warden in your group?
run plague doctor.
Plague doctor doesn't give you any resistance. Warrior Poet does. I would consider both sets good.
you dont need the extra resists, they are superfluous, people tank in medium armor, the healing taken is a much better stat. and for that 10% from WP to beat PD, you would have to have 40k base health. you do not have 40k base health. and you would still have the extra 10% from minor toughness when you do play with a warden.
Extra resistance helps me. I've tried playing all health. I like it for PvP but for PvE I preferred having a balance of health and resistance. Besides, you could always use both sets.
clearly nothing is going to make you feel different. i explained the reason that WP is the list, for good reason and you are like, nah.
I did more than just say "nah". I explained to you that I've tried all health tanks and I preferred a balance of health and resistance. If you do better with more health more power to you. Certain play styles probably perform better under different situations. But I've used both Warrior Poet and Plague Doctor and don't consider either of these sets to be garbage.
But you did explain your position so we can agree to disagree. That's fine. ^^
my tanks have about 35k health, 21k mag/stam, with ~30k resists, using ebon/alkosh/lord warden for my dk and livewire/Brands of Imperium/Thurvokun on my warden tank. so i dont use either sets, they are a waste for tanks as far as i see them, both of them but WP is way more of a waste.
WP falls into the same trap as any set that gives you a named buff, there are generally way better ways to get the buff then wasting one of only 2 different 5 piece you get to wear.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on May 6, 2019 10:52AM1 -
ErMurazor✭✭✭✭✭They changed some sets on pts. For one i think Essence thief will be more viable.Edited by ErMurazor on May 6, 2019 10:56AM0
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭phantasmalD wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Fair point. But what if you don't have a warden in your group?
run plague doctor.
Plague doctor doesn't give you any resistance. Warrior Poet does. I would consider both sets good.
you dont need the extra resists, they are superfluous, people tank in medium armor, the healing taken is a much better stat. and for that 10% from WP to beat PD, you would have to have 40k base health. you do not have 40k base health. and you would still have the extra 10% from minor toughness when you do play with a warden.
Extra resistance helps me. I've tried playing all health tanks. I like it for PvP but for PvE I preferred having a balance of health and resistance. Besides, you could always use both sets.
Resistances are capped at 33k or 50% mitigation. Usually heavy armor+class/race passives+Major Resolve/Ward+Lord Warden proc is more than enough to hit the cap.
Anything above is superfluous in PvE, as there's pretty much like only one mechanism in one specific dungeon in one specific fight that lowers your armor rating and that one pretty much nullifies it anyway.
In PvP extra resistances can be mildly helpful to battle the penetration other players have but more health is still better than the extra 3-4% mitigation you would get from that strat.
I'm aware there is a cap. But Major resolve and Lord Warden would not be enough reach cap on it's own - at least not on my Templar it isn't. Though even if it was - I'm not sure how that would take away from the fact resistance from other sources can still be useful. It's not as if everyone wears Lord Warden.Edited by Jeremy on May 6, 2019 1:33PM0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Fair point. But what if you don't have a warden in your group?
run plague doctor.
Plague doctor doesn't give you any resistance. Warrior Poet does. I would consider both sets good.
you dont need the extra resists, they are superfluous, people tank in medium armor, the healing taken is a much better stat. and for that 10% from WP to beat PD, you would have to have 40k base health. you do not have 40k base health. and you would still have the extra 10% from minor toughness when you do play with a warden.
Extra resistance helps me. I've tried playing all health. I like it for PvP but for PvE I preferred having a balance of health and resistance. Besides, you could always use both sets.
clearly nothing is going to make you feel different. i explained the reason that WP is the list, for good reason and you are like, nah.
I did more than just say "nah". I explained to you that I've tried all health tanks and I preferred a balance of health and resistance. If you do better with more health more power to you. Certain play styles probably perform better under different situations. But I've used both Warrior Poet and Plague Doctor and don't consider either of these sets to be garbage.
But you did explain your position so we can agree to disagree. That's fine. ^^
my tanks have about 35k health, 21k mag/stam, with ~30k resists, using ebon/alkosh/lord warden for my dk and livewire/Brands of Imperium/Thurvokun on my warden tank. so i dont use either sets, they are a waste for tanks as far as i see them, both of them but WP is way more of a waste.
WP falls into the same trap as any set that gives you a named buff, there are generally way better ways to get the buff then wasting one of only 2 different 5 piece you get to wear.
I'm currently at 35k health with 34k physical resistance with major resolve up (my spell resistance is a bit higher). If I were to say change out my fortified brass for Warrior Poet - I really don't see why that would be a garbage thing to do. It's a good set - offering a boost to health and decent resistances. So I just don't understand why you consider it garbage.
Now if a warden is in the group or you are getting the health buff from some other source that makes the health bonus pointless - I'm with you. Then the set is pretty wasteful. So you make a good argument there . But so long as you are getting the health buff from the set, it looks pretty good to me.Edited by Jeremy on May 6, 2019 1:49PM0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm currently at 35k health with 34k physical resistance with major resolve up (my spell resistance is a bit higher). If I were to say change out my fortified brass for Warrior Poet - I really don't see why that would be a garbage thing to do. It's a good set - offering a boost to health and decent resistances. So I just don't understand why you consider it garbage.
are you a pve tank? if you are, then even fortified brass is a bad set to me. does nothing for your team. that is a bad set and a waste to me. simple. if you are over 33k resits, you are wasting set bonuses. it is the only hard cap in the game. the only stat that it matters that you build under.1 -
Joosef_Kivikilpi✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »TheValar85 wrote: »em the undaunted setts are usless? well the Ilambris are still best in slot for many sorc builds.
I think they meant Unweaver and Infiltrator which... yeah, those are both kinda trash.
False. Those two sets are incredible in tandem together.0