Area denial aoes, or bosses having to be held out of melee range. Makes stamina dps feel useless and/or worse be barred from content. Especially when the player can do the content but is denied by groups that don't want melee dps in the content.

Scale HM poison cones on 330+ ping, any of the new dlc healing debuff for tanking, especially frost hm

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

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runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Little offtopic but ...
Animation canseling.
I dont say i`m not good at it, just dont like it.
Give a OK player a class with BiS gear and give crap gear/same class to player good at animation canseling.
Guess what. The crap geared one win on dpc racing....
This mechanic is the main reason why we have such big dps gap.15k casuals and 50k+ players who are good at AC
ZoS need to disable this. Or atleast to reduce animation on all skills.

Animation canceling does not account for 70% of a players dps for any player. The reason for a 15k dps player having such low dps is just plain skill/build or something else. If there were no animation canceling the strong player would still be doing several times more dps than the example of a player doing 15k. The statement above is not even close to correct.

Guess you are good with animation canseling. Do a test/ for yourself- i already know the results/ and see the diference.
Then read your post again...

You are suggesting animation canceling multiplies dps by a factor greater than 3 and factually speaking it does not. It just does not work anything like that.

Any player that can pull 50k+ dps can go without any sort of animation canceling including not doing any weaving of basic attacks and will embarrass that player that can only do 15k dps. You will not find much support for your claims because they are so far from the truth. Anyone who can pull 50k dps, or even remotely close to it, understands what I am saying.

Then i`m a exeption. You sound like the guy with 20k heavy attack post. Animation canseling multiply dps atlest 2 times and everyone who say oposite is a liar. There are video from a guy who pull 100k / from curent pts/ and he clearly show the diference animation canseling make. Its a cancer for both pvp and pve.

I dont care about engame, or about runing dungeons with premade grp. Then everything is ok.
But when you run with randoms who dont want to bother wit AC and just do their rotatiom the time you need to kill the boss is 3 times slower /and with randoms i dont mean players doing light attacks or spaming one skill/
Cuting animation timer wont hurt endgamers or top performance pvpers anyway. Will just lift casual level skillcap alittle. And make random grping less stresfull.
So as you see, there is nothing to wory about.

You do not understand the difference between Animation Cancelling and Light Attack Weaving, plain and simple. You've allowed this misunderstanding to become so entrenched in your thinking that it will prevent you from mastering your rotation.

One of the keys to maximizing damage output is completing the rotation while all buffs and DoTs are running. You must layer the damage. Animation cancelling can help... but consistency from hours of rotation practice is the major factor between great dps and poor dps.

I've found that by reducing my animation cancelling, my dps parses are going up. I had become so quick with animation cancelling that my need to finish the rotation while buffs and DoTs were active caused some of my light attacks to fail to register. In other words, focusing on animation cancelling during rotation practice to the exclusion of everything else will do more harm than good.

When people try to explain where you have gone wrong, they are not 'lying'. They are trying to help. Drop the attitude and listen. You'll get better by doing so.

You are naive if you rly belive that i dont know the diference.
As said. Make a test with standart rotation and one with animation cut.
Or go back in time and check old post about what ppl think about AC.
The reason there is no more such posts is because ppl give up, knowing zos wont do sh.t.
Me... i`m stuborn.

And btw is not about me getting better, Is about leting ppl to truly play the game. Without milking the dps by switching weapon bars and pressing blocks.....

Do you think hiting block is a standart part of the dps rotation ?
Right..........

Block cancelling does in no way increase your DPS. You still have one second global cooldown on light attack and one second global cooldown on your skills. There is NO way to increase this speed. Your animation might instantly finish, but you still have to wait a moment until you can cast the next ability.

You can bashcancel to get a little more DPS at a huge stamina drain (because bash deals some damage) and you can barswap cancel to stay within the one second global cooldown. Then there is roll dodge cancel which can be fancy and very occasionally useful, but then more in PvP than PvE.

You are probably talking about weaving? You want combat to be simply abilities and no light attacks or you want fully drawn out light attack/skill animations at all times? Both sounds incredibly slow and easy. Easy usually translates to boring in no time. Most dungeons and trials would be even more boring than they are already since most fights just boil down to "deal damage" for DPS players. Maybe sidestepping some red stuff, but that's not difficult either if the rotation can be done while asleep.

I differentiate between weaving and animation cancelling because block-, dodge-, bash- and barswap cancel actually completely remove the animation whereas weaving just cuts light/heavy attack animation a little shorter. Weaving does not cut most skill animations. ZoS could just speed up light/heavy attack animations a little and maybe the odd skill here and there and people couldn't complain about that.

Block-, dodge-, bash- and barswap cancel are necessary or combat would feel incredibly clunky. The forums would be full of complaints from people feeling helpless watching their animation finish and dying because they couldn't do any of these actions in time.


As for a mechanic I personally dislike: The dismounting in knee high water and the enemies that aggro super easy, then chase you forever and will only turn around until you hit them once or they hit you once. ZoS said at some point they were looking into the latter, but that was two years ago and nothing has come of it.

Honestly, all of them MMO mechanics aren't very enjoyable and few of them make logical/world sense. What I dislike the most are environmental effects and traps. I did a little over half of nMA and the environmental mechanics drove me nuts. They're stressful and exceedingly annoying. Not my cup of tea at all.

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runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Little offtopic but ...
Animation canseling.
I dont say i`m not good at it, just dont like it.
Give a OK player a class with BiS gear and give crap gear/same class to player good at animation canseling.
Guess what. The crap geared one win on dpc racing....
This mechanic is the main reason why we have such big dps gap.15k casuals and 50k+ players who are good at AC
ZoS need to disable this. Or atleast to reduce animation on all skills.

Animation canceling does not account for 70% of a players dps for any player. The reason for a 15k dps player having such low dps is just plain skill/build or something else. If there were no animation canceling the strong player would still be doing several times more dps than the example of a player doing 15k. The statement above is not even close to correct.

This is not true. Animation cancelling absolutely makes up the bulk of your DPS.

I went from 25k DPS to 40k when I learned to animation cancel. Your DPS ceiling if you can't animation cancel is very low.

Thanks as your comment supports what you quoted perfectly as your A/C account for significantly less than 70% of your damage, by your own words. It is also far from the 15k to 50k+ improvement the other person stated. I never suggested, even remotely, that A/C did not increase DPS. That would have been absurd for me to do so.

Thx.

25k to 40k is a 70% increase...

To calculate the percentage increase:

1. First: work out the difference (increase) between the two numbers you are comparing.
2. Increase = New Number - Original Number.
3. Then: divide the increase by the original number and multiply the answer by 100.
4. % increase = Increase ÷ Original Number × 100.

1. First: work out the difference (increase) between the two numbers you are comparing.
2. 40 - 25 = 15
3. 15/25 = .6
4. Leave the rest of the problem to be worked out.

This discussion about AC is idiotic. One, for some reason, weaving and animation canceling is the same now? Since when?

Weaving increases DPS by a lot, weaving is also suggested by the ingame leveling tool and load screens. And light attacks are off the global CD. So totally legit and intended.

Animation canceling is a result of being able to Block, bar swap or dodge mid animation. So, remove this and you will end up dying a lot more then you're currently doing.

For the discussion about dungeon mechanics:

I find new mechanics no matter the type fun. What I do not like the reuse of mechanics from dungeon too dungeon.

And please, just because you have not learned a mechanic yet, does not mean it has too be changed or nerfed. Just learn it. Other people do it with no-death runs with full glass cannon setups right? So you should be able too do it as well, right?

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This discussion about AC is idiotic. One, for some reason, weaving and animation canceling is the same now? Since when?

Weaving increases DPS by a lot, weaving is also suggested by the ingame leveling tool and load screens. And light attacks are off the global CD. So totally legit and intended.

Animation canceling is a result of being able to Block, bar swap or dodge mid animation. So, remove this and you will end up dying a lot more then you're currently doing.

For the discussion about dungeon mechanics:

I find new mechanics no matter the type fun. What I do not like the reuse of mechanics from dungeon too dungeon.

And please, just because you have not learned a mechanic yet, does not mean it has too be changed or nerfed. Just learn it. Other people do it with no-death runs with full glass cannon setups right? So you should be able too do it as well, right?

Proper weaving relies on animation cancelling. You cancel the animation of your light attack.

I like clever mechanics rather than too much overlapping ground aoe where you're running around like a headless chook just trying to dance around it. It kinda hurts my eyes and tires them out after a while. I have situational awareness and i can easily roll dodge and side step and what not but it's the intensity. I can do it i just dont enjoy when there is too much of it in a fight.
Cloudrest mechanics I dont enjoy. I like the bosses but it gets too busy imo

Tempest island dungeon with the whirlwind where you run in and out but that fight is a nightmare when you have high latency. I beat it but it was a pain

If people disagree it's fine im just answering here on my own personal experience.

Great question @MrBumblefoot ! 😊😊😊

Curse, fury, frag, prison is the worst mechanic in the game. As deadly as it is skillless

I guess the only one is the skeevaton, both in CWC and especially in frostvault.

As much as it is fun, it is a.. rat race. A rat race. With a wind-up toy.

I cannot defend to other people what I am doing with my life there. It crosses a border.

Otherwise the mechanics are great in ESO imo. It is just too bad you almost never have to mind them solo. Some mechanics / attacks could be tweaked (Rilis vBC2) but as a whole they add plenty to the game.