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Its time for craft bag to be available without Eso plus.
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cheifsoap✭✭✭✭✭I've been a sub since I started this game and I always thought this being a "perk" was kind of a lame perk; useful sure, but a lame perk. The free content, that nonsubs have to pay for; pays for itself. So yeah, I agree. Let non-subs get at this1 -
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✭✭Apparently if you dont sub ZOS doesnt care about you, even if you pay a lot of money on other things in the game1 -
Jamdarius✭✭✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »NOW BEFORE EVERYONE SCREAMS NO PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ MY SUGGESTION FOR A REPLACEMENT.
So we are 5 years in the game. There are tons of crafting materials that if you were to even just want 1 of each you wouldn’t be able to store it in your bank or inventory if you wanted to. This causes players to have to sell these materials some of which are hard to find. Not to mention if you start to amass a large amount of sets then you may be forced to destroy some something that shouldn’t be an issue in the game. I mean realistically if you have 8 characters if you were to have even just one replacement set for each of them it would take over 100 slots of inventory space or bank space and non eso plus members are already at half the max storage space.
Now before you say well then just buy the subscription this is starting to affect even eso plus members. Having all these sets for every occasion takes almost all of my eso plus bank space at max upgrade.
My suggestion is this. Give eso plus members unlimited bank space. If you can create a void like server space for everyone’s unlimited crafting items then you should be able to create one for the bank. Further more i would allow eso plus members to have the ability to SAVE BUILDS. Create a build and save it to a fixed template. Allowing eso plus members to quickly switch builds for different situations. Allow us to save builds for gear and for champion points. Allowing us to rapidly change from day a PVP SETUP TO A PVE SETUP AT THE CLICK OF A BUTTON. ( so long as you are at the bank of course or using your personal banker. This would allow players with eso plus to save even more sets and builds without the hassle of having to remember the setups and save time for trials,dungeons etc. also allowing the non eso plus members the ability to finall store materials and thus give them a bit more wiggle room for gaming without having to throw away their hard work
Just so u know, I have been a bit angry about all the issues we had in last quarter of the year 2018 and so I was without eso + till a month or two ago, I could stash perfectly fine every single mat I needed (also done writs 56 times / day during that time), sure I have max bank slots, max inv slots, all storage coffers/chests at homes but rly not all mats are worth keeping, and for god sake do not keep all the items you loot and pile them in your stash/bank/guild bank/ you name it.
PS: Yes I came back to ESO+ because no other mmo has anything as interesting and suiting my needs as ESO so I want to support the game I love.1 -
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✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »I am all for this getting Craft Bag as part of base game ONLY if the game goes to subscription only.
You make no sense
We was subbed for like 2 years without crafting bag.
Do vip makes you feel special ? You think vip spend more real money from b2p ones ?
Crafting bag must be for everyone. Like atleast 500 slots.
For ViPs it can be endless.
Do you even know how diferent motifs wehave in zos ?
Like 60. With 240 bank space.
Now tell me how much reagens we have for provisioning? Yea right .....
Wont mention alchemy.
Its a silly way to force players to sub.
Free-to-play games cost money to develop, produce and host, and somebody has to pay for that.
Unless you think the devs should work a 2nd job to support themselves so they can dev this game for free, for you.
We'll just ignore the free servers, networking and electricity ZOS has access to, so they can make the game available.
EsO is not f2p
Sure, you have to buy the base game, but after that - it's free to play it.
Don't buy any crowns.
Don't buy any DLCs.
Don't buy any chapters.
Don't subscribe.
How much does it cost you to play?
I think the point there was that the game is buy to play, not free to play. Just terminology.
I'll take the hit for being imprecise.
My point stands that it takes no further coinage to play all you want.
Thanks for the opportunity for me to correct my error and make my point more clearly.
welllllll, technically true.
However, you don't get walled off from the rest of the game, at least visually. It's hard to play 'all you want', when you can see what you are missing out on.
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Aeslief✭✭✭✭✭This topic comes up all the time, so let’s turn it around.
OP, you feel that the benefits of subscribing should be available to non-subscribers. This is an obvious non-starter from ZOS’s perspective. They aren’t going to help you avoid subscribing as that directly counters their objective of staying in business.
So let me ask you this instead: what would it take to get you to subscribe?3 -
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✭✭✭✭The notion that people without ESO+ are cheep or stingy is a complete fallacy. I personally have had it and not, both is substantial amounts. I have also spent substantial funds in the Crown Store.
I just personally think that subs in the current gaming market is a dated concept. Coupled with flawed logic that games need that to survive and maintain development. Zenimaxes business model concerning ESO does not need it, but that won't change as long as people feel like that is the right way to support the company. And on that to each their own.
I would personally like to see it go, as I would like to see some quality of life being given to every player. The constant growth of the game has made inventory management a nightmare for most, even with ESO+. There are new sets, consumables, and items with every addition that just ad to the mess. Giving out a craft bag to everyone would just be a nice player-centric business move in my opinion.
I also know if I didn't have ESO as a concern I would pop in more frequently during off phases, and that would lead directly to Crown Store sales as I am a sucker for cosmetics. We all know looking good adds an additional 10% dps.
You buy the crowns for the cosmetic items you want, and you get the crafting bag for free.
Plus the increase in bank space (double).
Plus the XP bonus.
It seems to me that you're getting a better deal than you were expecting when you bought the crowns.
That was not even close to the point I was trying to make.
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✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
The point is, without the bag, the sub is not worth it for most people and they would stop subbing. I would stop subbing in a heartbeat as well as many others.
ZoS knows this and it is working as intended. It is intended to keep people subbing. They would be stupid to give the bag for free or a one time fee when people are obviously willing to pay the sub for it.
Do you understand now?
I do. But do you ?
I get that you don't want to pay the sub and want the bag for free.
Not gona happen.
You also get double bank space with ESO+
Again this is working exactly the way ZoS wants it to. They have no reason whatsoever to change it and lose most of the income from subs.
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✭The crafting bag is the most important part of the subscription.I've been a sub since I started this game and I always thought this being a "perk" was kind of a lame perk; useful sure, but a lame perk. The free content, that nonsubs have to pay for; pays for itself. So yeah, I agree. Let non-subs get at this
The crafting bag is the single most important part of the subscription. The paid content is irrelevant. The crowns let you buy that anyway, so you don't have to subscribe anymore. But then you lose the bag. LOSE THE BAG!Lethal zergling1 -
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✭✭Still, ESO+ is basically baggins + bank + stuff none needs. Why not call it that way?
Why not increase the price for +? Would support the game you love even mo-ore.
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✭Their current marketing department is already very aggressive and constantly ramping up the grabs for cash.
God, I absolutely agree. Ick. I'd like to not see it get exponentially worse by slashing the sub revenue, which is precisely what would happen if they made the CB base.WoW is shedding players like crazy at the moment, and ESO has a great opportunity to pick up the lion's share if they play their cards right.
Wouldn't it be nice if some of those folks subbed?
Wow players are used to subbing on top of paying for dlc. Their dlc isn’t included in their sub.
Zos has absolutely nothing to worry about.
WoW dont have DLCs at all. WoW have expansions. Like we have Chapters. The diference is that you can buy everything from wow with ingame gold. You can even pay your vip with it. And by everything i mean everything from blizzard store. From in game stuffs to other blizzard games and even tshirts if you wish. I dont say is better. All i say is " dont speak when you dont have idea what you speak about" ....Edited by Runkorko on May 17, 2019 6:47PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Apparently if you dont sub ZOS doesnt care about you, even if you pay a lot of money on other things in the game
Obviously this could not be farthest from the truth and seems aimed more at being melodramatic.
If you want to see a game with a mixed business model does when they do not care about those that do not sub go check out SWTOR. Want to give them feedback, you are blocked from the forums. A bug blocking progression on a quest, lol, you cannot submit a bug report or any other CS ticket. Want to PvP, lol, you are very limited to only a few queues a week.
So to suggest Zos incentivizing subscribing over purchasing DLCs, especially since the purchase of DLCs is more costly per year, seems a little ingenuine.
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But it has everything to do with certain people's attitudes towards non-subscribers asking for a little breathing room."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."0 -
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✭Bigevilpeter wrote: »Apparently if you dont sub ZOS doesnt care about you, even if you pay a lot of money on other things in the game
This.
They dont care about the money they arleady get.
Everything is focused on future incomes.
Which is not bad. But streching the acount storage cap with like 50 slots wont kill them...0 -
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But it has everything to do with certain people's attitudes towards non-subscribers asking for a little breathing room.
That does not offer validity to their "opinion". I think it is more of a thinly veiled attempt at being dramatic in a flailing attempt to make a point.
Pretty sure Zos' business people see right through that and have one consistent reply. Want the crafting bag then become a sub.
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tonemd✭✭✭✭The only logically change I could see ZOS making is setting an expenditure threshold that unlocks the bag, i.e. spend $200 in the crownstore get the bag for 6 months. That still gives casuals and lower-income players a choice and provides a less-economical-than-subbing path to the anti-sub crowd.
They should always be pushing players to sub.0 -
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The problem is, every time people bring up wanting more inventory space overall, not just crafting bags for non-sub members, there's always an influx of people who rush in to say "no we don't need more inventory space you just have to spend months and months and lots of gold to unlock all this other 'free' inventory and buy the Crowns to max your roster and use them as banks too" and all this other nonsense. It literally would not affect anyone adversely to increase the base storage space, but since ZOS refuses to do it for whatever reason, of course people are going to focus on crafting bags as a means to try and alleviate inventory management.I'll admit I haven't re-read every single post in here just to make sure that I'm not telling a lie... if I have, please don't shoot me. But I don't think anybody here is opposed to the idea of giving more space per-se, we are opposed to the concept of unlimited space for non-subscribers. I honestly believe they should bump the basic bank space up to 300 slots, and still have it doubled to 600 for ESO+ subscribers. Guild banks should be 1,000 spaces. There is some conflation of ideas here. An unlimited craft bag for "free" to non-ESO+ members, I'm adamantly against, and I think a majority here are, and it's quite unreasonable to ask. A QoL increase in bank slots, that is an infinitely more reasonable.
As far as "unlimited" gear bags, housing bags, etc... people have already pointed out the technical limitations of that, not that they can't be overcome, but is it worth it? ZoS is ultimately a business, and some things just simply don't make sense financially
I never said we should have fully unlimited storage of any kind, because even crafting bags have a limit of what they can hold. It's just such a massively high number that practically no one is ever going to reach that maximum. So why not cut that storage set aside for the craft bag to something less excessive, use the freed up memory/bandwidth/etc to increase the base bank/inventory space, and make things better for everyone?
Part of what would help with this problem would also be if Containers and siege stacked, instead of taking up an individual spot for each one in your inventory. Guild banks having more storage would also make a lot of sense, considering you can have hundreds of people trying to share such a small amount of space. One of my RP guilds only has maybe...15 active people, and our guild bank is close to full 90% of the time. Most of that is from things like furniture, motifs, and a whole slew of siege stuff. I prune it down as much as I can about once or twice a week, but it doesn't stay below roughly 350/500 for long.PC-NA | Been around since closed beta
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✭✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Also no one is giving a single reason why unlimited bank space would be a bad thing if they could implement it properly. Let’s just say for the heck of it that they do find a system that works. Wouldn’t that be worth moving the craft bag to base game if your getting something even more valuable?
Honestly I dont think that adding it would break much if they moved it base game. But how do you prevent revenue loss if you do that? How do you keep the subs? What do you replace it with that WONT be game breaking? Essentially what I want to know is what is more valuable than the current craft bag? It's not crowns. I can buy crowns, and there is only so much you can get with crowns. That goes for crown store items as well. So what does plus get?.
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✭✭✭✭On a side note. I do think it's time for a bank space overhaul. They should jump the progress for the base cap up to 500 slots0 -
spacebandit✭✭✭How about it’s time to quit being a bum and shell out 12 dollars a month
You get more crowns per dollar spent from a one year subscription than you would get if you bought the crown package that gives you the most crowns per dollar spentEdited by spacebandit on May 17, 2019 8:46PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭wtlonewolf20 wrote: »On a side note. I do think it's time for a bank space overhaul. They should jump the progress for the base cap up to 500 slots
Here’s a recap of my post (in this thread) for those that conveniently skipped it:
- 15 characters (soon to be 18 with Elsweyr) with in-game gold or crown purchased bag upgrades (up to 140 each character) = 2,100 slots
- Mount bag space upgrades (15 mounts x 60) = 900 slots
- Personal bank space (with upgrades & ESO+) = 480 slots
- Home storage bins = 360 slots
Total: 3,840
Personal Guild Banks = 500 slots each (up to 2,500); limit of 5 guild banks
If a player doesn't have any personal guild banks, we're still approaching 3,900 inventory slots ... not including the crafting bag or stacked inventory.
So, the first question for any player feeling constricted on inventory ... have you hit 3,840 character and bank slots yet? Even without ESO+ you’d only subtract the double bank space (240 slots).
If you can't manage what you have in that allotment of inventory slots that's your own fault [shrug].
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The problem is, every time people bring up wanting more inventory space overall, not just crafting bags for non-sub members, there's always an influx of people who rush in to say "no we don't need more inventory space you just have to spend months and months and lots of gold to unlock all this other 'free' inventory and buy the Crowns to max your roster and use them as banks too" and all this other nonsense. It literally would not affect anyone adversely to increase the base storage space, but since ZOS refuses to do it for whatever reason, of course people are going to focus on crafting bags as a means to try and alleviate inventory management.I'll admit I haven't re-read every single post in here just to make sure that I'm not telling a lie... if I have, please don't shoot me. But I don't think anybody here is opposed to the idea of giving more space per-se, we are opposed to the concept of unlimited space for non-subscribers. I honestly believe they should bump the basic bank space up to 300 slots, and still have it doubled to 600 for ESO+ subscribers. Guild banks should be 1,000 spaces. There is some conflation of ideas here. An unlimited craft bag for "free" to non-ESO+ members, I'm adamantly against, and I think a majority here are, and it's quite unreasonable to ask. A QoL increase in bank slots, that is an infinitely more reasonable.
As far as "unlimited" gear bags, housing bags, etc... people have already pointed out the technical limitations of that, not that they can't be overcome, but is it worth it? ZoS is ultimately a business, and some things just simply don't make sense financially
I never said we should have fully unlimited storage of any kind, because even crafting bags have a limit of what they can hold. It's just such a massively high number that practically no one is ever going to reach that maximum. So why not cut that storage set aside for the craft bag to something less excessive, use the freed up memory/bandwidth/etc to increase the base bank/inventory space, and make things better for everyone?
Part of what would help with this problem would also be if Containers and siege stacked, instead of taking up an individual spot for each one in your inventory. Guild banks having more storage would also make a lot of sense, considering you can have hundreds of people trying to share such a small amount of space. One of my RP guilds only has maybe...15 active people, and our guild bank is close to full 90% of the time. Most of that is from things like furniture, motifs, and a whole slew of siege stuff. I prune it down as much as I can about once or twice a week, but it doesn't stay below roughly 350/500 for long.
Some things cannot stack, as they have to be uniquely identified for enchants, for 'wear and tear", etc... crafting mats are like currency, they are interchangeable, so you just need a count. gear/siege are not. I don't know why containers are so fickle though.
I'd be interested in knowing what the maximum in the craft bag is... I have over 100k of each of the top tier crafting materials in mine
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✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Their current marketing department is already very aggressive and constantly ramping up the grabs for cash.
God, I absolutely agree. Ick. I'd like to not see it get exponentially worse by slashing the sub revenue, which is precisely what would happen if they made the CB base.WoW is shedding players like crazy at the moment, and ESO has a great opportunity to pick up the lion's share if they play their cards right.
Wouldn't it be nice if some of those folks subbed?
Wow players are used to subbing on top of paying for dlc. Their dlc isn’t included in their sub.
Zos has absolutely nothing to worry about.
WoW dont have DLCs at all. WoW have expansions. Like we have Chapters. The diference is that you can buy everything from wow with ingame gold. You can even pay your vip with it. And by everything i mean everything from blizzard store. From in game stuffs to other blizzard games and even tshirts if you wish. I dont say is better. All i say is " dont speak when you dont have idea what you speak about" ....
This is another point very much worth discussing.
As I said in previous posts, I think ZOS should not increase bank space, nor make the craft bag go free to play but ZOS should focus on making the items in the game inherently more valuable and cull useless items. Ie, remove the requirement for trait items (save for Nirn). I also think ZOS should make items made with Master Writs unlockables in a collections tab, they are not BIS gear by any means, but they are functional, and they may help a alleviate some of the hoarders desires to carry a tanking /healing set on all their toons. With the additional benefit of StamDPS being able to switch out for tank much easier reducing the que time for dungeons.
The third point needed to be raised is the ability for ESO+ members / non-subs to be able to purchase 6 Month ESO+ tokens with cash, that can be sold to other players either through trade or guild stores. They are not purchasable with crowns or that would result with self recycling of crowns received through the initial subscription.
I would like to see ESO+ 3 and 6 Month tokens, AND Chapter tokens be purchasable and the possibility for such tokens to be sold on the market.
One if the primary reasons for this is it would destroy the gold market. The bot-gold market only exists because people with cash, are prepared to pay some shadey website for ESO Gold. If this was facilitated in game, where those with cash that are prepared to buy gold, can purchase it safely from another player, ZOS should facilitate it, and it should be ZOS that takes the real money, not a shadey website.
Player A might wish to buy 1,000,000 worth of gold from a shadey site, for $X, but instead could buy a 6 Month Token directly from ZOS for the same $X and sell it for gold. Player B is prepared to pay 1,000,000 for a 6 month subscription. You can see in this equation, Player A still gets to use cash for gold, Player B gets his craft bag. ZOS gets paid, and the shadey bot farming website just got completely removed from the equation.
It matters very little to ZOS's books if 100 people subscribe, or 1 person buys 100 subscription tokens and sells them to 100 players for gold.
This would result in more people subscribing, more income for ZOS, bad actors removed (or reduced) from the equation, everyone having access to the craft bag either through their money, or those that cannot afford, or those that are not prepared to invest $$ can do so through their gold and another player that is prepared to pay money.
I'll also add that ZOS can sell the 6 month token for more than the value of subscribing for 6 months if they wish. Although I would recommend they be mindful that they are competing with the bot farmers. Perhaps have it 10% more expensive than the standard subscription method, with it going on sale from time to time, and the sale being, the actual price of a 6 month subscription, never lower.Edited by richo262 on May 17, 2019 9:42PM3
