Its time for craft bag to be available without Eso plus.

Runkorko · May 2019

tmbrinks wrote: »

majulook wrote: »

I am all for this getting Craft Bag as part of base game ONLY if the game goes to subscription only.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If not, then be like that guy and take 2-5mins for inventory management.

sudaki_eso wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

sudaki_eso wrote: »

Non eso+ subscriber can get the storage boxes to get more space, i believe they are the same for everyone and not affected by eso+, so just by getting them you can increase your storage by 360 spaces. Each character can hold up to 200 items. So with 8 chars + the storage boxes you can have 1960 storage spaces...I think this is fine for someone who doesnt subscribe - not that i am against having unlimited bank space, just saying that most people havent even maxed out their storage but wanting more spaces...

Please....
House storage is not accesed from crafting tables.
New dlcs come/ new sets/ new crafting materials/ XXXX amount of new crafting motifs mats.
Its normal if they lift/increase bank/inventory space. Atleast double.
Or make house chests accesable from bank/crafting station. Even if this mean adding a new "special" ones. Reasonable price ofc.
ViP model must be a player choise, but is like you are foced to subscribe.

Thanks....
House storage is not accesed from crafting tables. -> So? This is about storage, you need something go grab it from your storage boxes, not as convenient as the crafting bag but thats exactly the point of the bag... Or keep the mats you need for doing writs in your inventory.

New dlcs come/ new sets/ new crafting materials/ XXXX amount of new crafting motifs mats. Its normal if they lift/increase bank/inventory space. Atleast double. -> Again, thats the point of subscribing, double spaces

All i want to say is that there are lots of options for OP to store his stuff, it might be not as convenient as the bag and the double space you get from eso+ but its working.

Is not about the space. Is about the accesebility
Yep is working. Take 2/3 of your gametime to sort things afterevery daily writ quest you do
Work as intended ....

So, do a cost analysis. Is your time with the $15 a month you pay for a sub? What is the minimum wage you'd work for? $10/hour, $15/hour. If it's $15/hour, and you spend more than 1 hour a month doing inventory maintenance, then it might make sense for you to subscribe.

Ultimately, it's your choice. you have the freedom to suggest, people have the freedom to respond. What you're doing is attacking anybody who doesn't agree with you... and that's not right.

As i said is not about the money.
2 active subscriptions + evey EsO dlc and chapter/ + inc one/ and few crowns/ all with real money.
Its all about how they force players to sub and giving only one bag in exchange.
And is not even the bag. Is about how they refuse to increase bank/inv space and add tons and tons of mats with every new update.
I may go back to sub.But not when i`m forced.

tmbrinks wrote: »

What you're doing is attacking anybody who doesn't agree with you... and that's not right.

You mean i fight back, i guess...

deadsheepb14_ESO · May 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

I may go back to sub.But not when i`m forced.

How are you "forced?"

Jeirno wrote: »

I'm Cp1050 and have played the game for 3 years now and NEVER, let me repeat NEVER have felt the need for a craft bag.

I don't have eso+, i don't have craft bag and I don't feel the need for it. I can fit all my _IMPORTANT_ crafting mats in the bank easily, useless stuff I sell most of the time. Keep craft bag for ESO+ its good for people who hoard useless stuff or cba with 2mins of inventory management per day.

Skwor · May 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

majulook wrote: »

I am all for this getting Craft Bag as part of base game ONLY if the game goes to subscription only.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If not, then be like that guy and take 2-5mins for inventory management.

sudaki_eso wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

sudaki_eso wrote: »

Non eso+ subscriber can get the storage boxes to get more space, i believe they are the same for everyone and not affected by eso+, so just by getting them you can increase your storage by 360 spaces. Each character can hold up to 200 items. So with 8 chars + the storage boxes you can have 1960 storage spaces...I think this is fine for someone who doesnt subscribe - not that i am against having unlimited bank space, just saying that most people havent even maxed out their storage but wanting more spaces...

Please....
House storage is not accesed from crafting tables.
New dlcs come/ new sets/ new crafting materials/ XXXX amount of new crafting motifs mats.
Its normal if they lift/increase bank/inventory space. Atleast double.
Or make house chests accesable from bank/crafting station. Even if this mean adding a new "special" ones. Reasonable price ofc.
ViP model must be a player choise, but is like you are foced to subscribe.

Thanks....
House storage is not accesed from crafting tables. -> So? This is about storage, you need something go grab it from your storage boxes, not as convenient as the crafting bag but thats exactly the point of the bag... Or keep the mats you need for doing writs in your inventory.

New dlcs come/ new sets/ new crafting materials/ XXXX amount of new crafting motifs mats. Its normal if they lift/increase bank/inventory space. Atleast double. -> Again, thats the point of subscribing, double spaces

All i want to say is that there are lots of options for OP to store his stuff, it might be not as convenient as the bag and the double space you get from eso+ but its working.

Is not about the space. Is about the accesebility
Yep is working. Take 2/3 of your gametime to sort things afterevery daily writ quest you do
Work as intended ....

So, do a cost analysis. Is your time with the $15 a month you pay for a sub? What is the minimum wage you'd work for? $10/hour, $15/hour. If it's $15/hour, and you spend more than 1 hour a month doing inventory maintenance, then it might make sense for you to subscribe.

Ultimately, it's your choice. you have the freedom to suggest, people have the freedom to respond. What you're doing is attacking anybody who doesn't agree with you... and that's not right.

As i said is not about the money.
2 active subscriptions + evey EsO dlc and chapter/ + inc one/ and few crowns/ all with real money.
Its all about how they force players to sub and giving only one bag in exchange.
And is not even the bag. Is about how they refuse to increase bank/inv space and add tons and tons of mats with every new update.
I may go back to sub.But not when i`m forced.

tmbrinks wrote: »

What you're doing is attacking anybody who doesn't agree with you... and that's not right.

You mean i fight back, i guess...

No player is being forced to do anything, such langauage is dishonest.

This game played quite well before the bag and continues to do so without it.

The bag is nothing more than a luxury and no amount of effort on your part to redifine it will change that.

Runkorko · May 2019

deadsheepb14_ESO wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

I may go back to sub.But not when i`m forced.

How are you "forced?"

Jeirno wrote: »

I'm Cp1050 and have played the game for 3 years now and NEVER, let me repeat NEVER have felt the need for a craft bag.

I don't have eso+, i don't have craft bag and I don't feel the need for it. I can fit all my _IMPORTANT_ crafting mats in the bank easily, useless stuff I sell most of the time. Keep craft bag for ESO+ its good for people who hoard useless stuff or cba with 2mins of inventory management per day.

Dude :DDD
Back in time i had a friend. We played ultima online. Everytime we was near his VILAGE/ because he build more than one house/ we got fps drp. At the end they even asked him to stop store *** because server cant take it anymore, and crash when big grp of playters cros HIS area. He never feel need of unlimited bag. He loved hist 10000000000000000 chests and houses and i`m sure he had every shity item from that game. Atleast in 1k coppies.....
Do you expect everyone to be like him? Or like the guy you mention?
Game is like 5+ years old and she had no bag/inv cap upgrade since day one ?
Or i`m wrong....
Ppl don want much. its normal when you add 1 milion mats, to let playersl upgrade some ot their inventory.

And to answer your question " how you are forced"
I need to trow mats, because bank/inv space is not enough to store atleast one stack from each crafting items game offer.

Skwor wrote: »

This game played quite well before the bag and continues to do so without it.

The bag is nothing more than a luxury and no amount of effort on your part to redifine it will change that.

Yes it did. Back in time. when i can fit all ingame craft mats in my pocket.
Whatever. Cant beat fan boys army. No one can.
Have a good day.

deadsheepb14_ESO · May 2019

The game is perfectly playable without the craft bag so whatever.

Dosuul · May 2019

Would be great to be able buy a furniture bag or locked gear items bag.

Doesn't have to be unlimited. 50-250 slots or so

Skwor · May 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

deadsheepb14_ESO wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

I may go back to sub.But not when i`m forced.

How are you "forced?"

Jeirno wrote: »

I'm Cp1050 and have played the game for 3 years now and NEVER, let me repeat NEVER have felt the need for a craft bag.

I don't have eso+, i don't have craft bag and I don't feel the need for it. I can fit all my _IMPORTANT_ crafting mats in the bank easily, useless stuff I sell most of the time. Keep craft bag for ESO+ its good for people who hoard useless stuff or cba with 2mins of inventory management per day.

Dude :DDD
Back in time i had a friend. We played ultima online. Everytime we was near his VILAGE/ because he build more than one house/ we got fps drp. At the end they even asked him to stop store *** because server cant take it anymore, and crash when big grp of playters cros HIS area. He never feel need of unlimited bag. He loved hist 10000000000000000 chests and houses and i`m sure he had every shity item from that game. Atleast in 1k coppies.....
Do you expect everyone to be like him? Or like the guy you mention?
Game is like 5+ years old and she had no bag/inv cap upgrade since day one ?
Or i`m wrong....
Ppl don want much. its normal when you add 1 milion mats, to let playersl upgrade some ot their inventory.

And to answer your question " how you are forced"
I need to trow mats, because bank/inv space is not enough to store atleast one stack from each crafting items game offer.

Skwor wrote: »

This game played quite well before the bag and continues to do so without it.

The bag is nothing more than a luxury and no amount of effort on your part to redifine it will change that.

Yes it did. Back in time. when i can fit all ingame craft mats in my pocket.
Whatever. Cant beat fan boys army. No one can.
Have a good day.

Name calling, good luck with that.

Mats were not stackable in the beginning either so even then you could not hold all the mats collected. You do not even try to make honest statements you just make things up.

Skwor · May 2019

Dosuul wrote: »

Would be great to be able buy a furniture bag or locked gear items bag.

Doesn't have to be unlimited. 50-250 slots or so

Upgrade your inventory a few times, there is your 50 slots.

Runkorko · May 2019

Skwor wrote: »

Name calling, good luck with that.

Good luck with what ?:D
EsO player base become more unic than Australia fauna ...
Dont be so touchy. You have no reason

Skwor wrote: »

Upgrade your inventory a few times, there is your 50 slots.

This will bring him up to 200 max. So we get 50 more from ?:)

ZOS_RogerJ · May 2019

Just a friendly reminder, to keep the thread civil and constructive. Remember, it’s okay and very normal to disagree with others, and even to debate, but provoking conflict, baiting, inciting, mocking, etc. is never acceptable in the official The Elder Scrolls Online community.

Royaji · May 2019

Why keep all materials in your inventory? Everything that's not t1/10? Just sell it and if you really need a set for an alt just buy some to craft it. Style materials? There is maybe a dozen of actually expensive ones. Everything else can be easily bought for less than a 100 gold when you need them. Trait items? Not even 10 gold a piece. You are really not crafting all that invigorating gear that often, don't lie to yourself. Runes? Again, maybe a dozen of them are relevant. Alchemy is probably the only one where more materials are useful but even then 20 or so will have you covered for 95% of useful pots.

Playing without craftbag is not hard. You just have to make a conscious decision to not hoard every single item you find even if you only use it once in 3 months.

deadsheepb14_ESO · May 2019

Help I'm being repressed! \o/

Taleof2Cities · May 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

And to answer your question " how you are forced"
I need to trow mats, because bank/inv space is not enough to store atleast one stack from each crafting items game offer.

Just wanted to recap how much inventory space players actually have without the crafting bag ... since apparently this is the shaky foundation with which you’re trying to build your argument, @runkorkoeb17_ESO:

- 15 characters (soon to be 18 with Elsweyr) with in-game gold or crown purchased bag upgrades (up to 140 each character) = 2,100 slots
- Mount bag space upgrades (15 mounts x 60) = 900 slots
- Personal bank space (with upgrades & ESO+) = 480 slots
- Home storage bins = 360 slots

Total: 3,840

Personal Guild Banks = 500 slots each (up to 2,500); limit of 5 guild banks

If a player doesn't have any personal guild banks, we're still approaching 3,900 inventory slots ... not including the crafting bag or stacked inventory.

So, the first question for any player feeling constricted on inventory ... have you hit 3,840 character and bank slots yet? Even without ESO+ you’d only subtract the double bank space (240 slots).

If you can't manage what you have in that allotment of inventory slots that's your own fault [shrug].

VaranisArano · May 2019

deadsheepb14_ESO wrote: »

Help I'm being repressed! \o/

Come see the violence inherent in the system!

Beardimus · May 2019

If they did id drop ESO plus. As would many i know. It's my main reason for it.

Sevn · May 2019

Beardimus wrote: »

If they did id drop ESO plus. As would many i know. It's my main reason for it.

Folks who ask for this couldn't care less about the game losing subs, the one source of reliable revenue that enables them to plan ahead knowing they have this amount to work with.

Storage isn't the issue as it has been shown there is plenty of it, it's the time it takes managing it that is the issue.They want convenience without paying for it. Anything said otherwise is just an excuse to not want to pay for it.

Jayne_Doe · May 2019

Oh, it's that time again for yet another thread on giving everyone the crafting bag?

I think this topic has surpassed the auction house on beating a dead, dead, dead, dead horse. But then, with the Necro class, I guess no matter how many times that dead horse is beaten, you can always bring it back for yet one more.

xaraan · May 2019

Gonna be a no from me. Won't hurt a player that plays often enough to need a craft bag to support the game (and if they say they support it by buying crowns - you get crowns with the sub, so unless you are talking about buying a handful of crowns a year as supporting the game, then just buy the sub). This gimme something for nothing attitude needs to go.

Chicharron · May 2019

What we need is a change of ESO+

Many people here already have the dlc bought, the only incentive of ESO+ is the craftbag, and that is not enough to justify the payment of ESO+.

tmbrinks · May 2019

Chicharron wrote: »

What we need is a change of ESO+

Many people here already have the dlc bought, the only incentive of ESO+ is the craftbag, and that is not enough to justify the payment of ESO+.

Completely disagree. The main reason people sub is for the crafting bag. The other bonuses are "fluff"

DaveMoeDee · May 2019

Ogou wrote: »

Why not just increase the inventory and bank space cap? And, I don't think the builds feature would be restricted to ESO+ members.

Besides, I'm pretty sure ZOS' answer to the inventory problem was to create the housing storage coffers.

The coffers were not added to address the inventory problem. They were added because people kept asking for them.

Glurin · May 2019

I don't know about just making the crafting bag available without ESO+, but at this point the non-sub crafters definitely need some help. The constant influx of new crafting materials (and crafting materials used to make crafting materials

) has begun to completely overwhelm currently available storage options.

Shadowasrial · May 2019

As I have stated in my original post I am subscribed. I have max inventory space and even with the craft bag bank space is starting to get a bit sparse. Also 90% of the people who are saying no to this are all saying it’s the only reason you sub. So if you didn’t have to sub how would that be a bad thing? They get plenty of income from crown crates dlc and other crown purchases. So loosing 12-15 bucks per player is nothing compared to the money many of us spend on all the other stuff in this game. This isn’t about the cost being too high the cost is very affordable but they aren’t increasing our limit for inventory space or bank space and many items don’t stack. If you wanna store siege or armor that starts to take a toll. And yes my idea for unlimited bank space may not be something the can easily do but it is something they could do. There are other games that have mastered the art of unlimited bank space. It’s starting to get to the point before craft bags where all the armor sets are starting to fill up the space and god forbid we get another event like the jubilee event. I started destroying objects left and right. Also for some of the people here saying just make a personal bank it’s not always that easy. Some of us are in 5 guilds And are active in all of them.

Shadowasrial · May 2019

Also no one is giving a single reason why unlimited bank space would be a bad thing if they could implement it properly. Let’s just say for the heck of it that they do find a system that works. Wouldn’t that be worth moving the craft bag to base game if your getting something even more valuable?

DaveMoeDee · May 2019

Jeirno wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Jeirno wrote: »

I'm Cp1050 and have played the game for 3 years now and NEVER, let me repeat NEVER have felt the need for a craft bag.

I don't have eso+, i don't have craft bag and I don't feel the need for it. I can fit all my _IMPORTANT_ crafting mats in the bank easily, useless stuff I sell most of the time. Keep craft bag for ESO+ its good for people who hoard useless stuff or cba with 2mins of inventory management per day.

I do writs on 30 characters a day. On one account, I went without the craft bag for a while, to test it out. I determined that I spent an average of 8 HOURS a month doing just inventory management stuff (transferring things from bank to characters, porting to house to use the coffers, pulling things out of said coffers to sell in trade guilds).

To spend $12 a month (I just bought the entire year sub) to save 8 hours of time... Yeah, my time isn't worth $1.50 an hour. I happily subscribed.

EDIT: Just to be clear, that was 8 hours of time spent doing things that were automatically done by having the craft bag.

How i go about my inventory management is bit different. I have maxed out home storage which I use only for sets. Each character has their crucial gear in their bags. My bank is only used for crafting mats. What saves me a lot of space is that I don't do enchanting at all since I found it very useless in the game.

I do writs on 8 chars a day. And from the rewards I sell/decon the weapons and armor/jewel pieces I get. I sell all trait mats(Defending etc.) apart from jewelry ones, since when have you ever needed more than 1 stack of of those useless stones unless you craft people 200 defending trait staffs everyday. I sell all crafting mats that are CP10-cp140 since I have never actually used those since I hit cp160 a long time ago. I also sell all mats are lvl16-50 since, well I don't use those either, IF I do however need them for lets say training gear, i just buy small amount and sell the rest. No big deal.

Now style materials, I don't even BOTHER to loot the ones that are very rare ones. I just keep all the common 9 races ones, since I don't care what trait I craft my gear in since we have the outfit system. If I do master writs i just buy what I need.

Provisioning mats, same thing. Only 1 stack per material, since quite frankly most of them are completely useless. You can do all the BiS max CP foods or level scaled foods with around 15 different mats anyways(THAT is not all 3 variations of tri stat food or all variations of MAX health, MAX stam. JUST 1 variation of those).

Alchemy reagents fit in bank easily, I don't have 20k Alkahest like most people, I sell most of them and just keep 1 stack on me, Lorkhan Tears. 2stacks on me. IF I need to level up alchemy for some toon i just buy the lower level things.

If i had eso+ i would save like 5 minutes a day in total with all chars while doing writs. But I don't really care small time spent per day after doing writs for a clean inventory is easy for me.

You lost me already when you started talking about sifting through what I loot. I just auto-loot and continue on my way.

richo262 · May 2019

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

Instead they should just make it so that when a Master writ is completed you unlock that item in a new collectibles tab.

If you complete an Armor Master Sword, Purple, Wood Elf, Infused it will unlock that sword. If you later complete a Gold, Nord Defending AM sword it will upgrade that item to Gold grade and provide the option to select Infused / Defend trait with Wood Elf / Nord style.

Once a particular set item is golded, you will not get a writ as that set, that item in gold quality again (unless you have completed every item in the game in gold) and you will not get a nirnhoned trait on the same item again (unless you have completed all nirned traits). Jewelry writs would have to be rarer and once done, do not drop again (because Jewelry writs are so inefficient that their real value of doing them will become unlocking them). Ultimately to unlock every item, every trait, every style, there is an insane amount of writs to do that is constantly growing as more sets come out.

That way, you won't need to carry around a variety of tanking sets you will have access to your crafted unlocked sets any time. Crafted sets are generally not as good as found sets, so they don't get much late game use. This would be perfect for the occasions you may need to swap out a DPS for a Tank for situations of offtanking, or perhaps you are in a vet dungeon and you have a fake tank in the group so you can switch to tank easily.

You therefore won't need to keep a copy of a tanking set on several characters, you can put your BIS tank gear on your main tank and have your alts rely on the crafted gear in the collectibles.

People would feel at liberty to decon those sets in their bank that are gathering dust because if they ever needed a particular set like that, they can rely on their unlocked crafted items, they may not be as good, but they are a good enough alternative.

It would also provide some incentive for players like me sitting on over 5,000 vouchers with nothing to spend them on and wondering why the hell am I still doing writs?!

Really cool idea. And make them an an ornament for the homestead as well and I’m all in!
I feel you should make your own thread on this. This is the kind of thing I believe ZOS like. A major end-game time sink that helps move valuables through the economy. And add to the gold sink that a lot of the better writ drops could fetch in stores!?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/464881/diminishing-value-of-writ-vouchers-unlocking-crafted-items/p1

I did. Perhaps I'll change the name and bump it up again to make it more clear. I posted it to combat the fact I have so many writ vouchers and I wonder wth am I still doing it.

DaveMoeDee · May 2019

I always find it depressing when people add up all the inventory slots on other characters. I lived that life, stashing mats on alts. That games was not fun. I took a lot of time off from the game.

I agree with people who just sell mats, but that doesn't help much when your inventory gets when you are out and about. Filtering through loot and returning to town to manage is an unwelcome distraction.

But if people want to not sub, that is the cost.

Katahdin · May 2019

Nope

Too many people would unsub which is a big part of ZoS' income

Runkorko · May 2019

Katahdin wrote: »

Nope

Too many people would unsub which is a big part of ZoS' income

So you rather pay sub for nothing?
Oh wait, one thing ....

max_only · May 2019

I love these threads because Zos accountants just congratulate themselves. They know you want it bad, that’s why they won’t give it to you for any less and in fact they’re probably mad they didn’t charge more for it.