Nerf Dawnbreaker the true overpowered ultimate

Raammzzaa · May 2019

Deep_01 wrote: »

DBoS morph is the only straight forward ultimate. No cast time or channel (like leap). Deals damage. Stuns. AoE. Perfect for pvp.

I agree with you very much. I’d love to see more ultimates made more competitive with this one - the bread and butter of stam ultys.

xxthir13enxx · May 2019

Morgul667 wrote: »

It is one of the few ultimate that everybody can use

Im happy it is usefull

It is clearly not game breaking

If you want to do something buff a little bit some other class ultimates to be on par

Agreed...DB is more visible due to it accessibility
Only tweak I see it need would be to increase its cost

Runkorko · May 2019

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I mean I’m just going to throw this out there dawn breaker. You guys think incap is op? Dawnbreaker. Undodgable large cone aoe large first and second damage over time oh and it stuns and can hit a whole large group of people and as if that wasn’t enough when slotted it increases your max damage. As a stam sorc you cast hurricane dawnbreaker spin to win and it’s over. As a stamplar you dawnbreaker jabs to death. As a warden you shalk dawnbreaker spin to win. Am I getting the message out loud and clear? The real op stamina skill is dawnbreaker. You have incap that has 5 meter range (super easy to dodge or get out of range even just by accident) is actually dodgeable hits one target (Only one) the damage buff you get is only against that player not other players. It stuns now only if you have 120 ulti and only if player isn’t blocking or running immovable. And the defile helps to keep these super power builds from being like ok crap I got hit hard I’m going to heal up and shrug it off. At least for a few seconds. On Xbox NA pvp is loaded with heavy armor heavy hitting super healing builds that can still dump dawn breaker and kill multiple people. You see it all the time in the towers just kiting and healing taking the full brunt of my 5000 weapon damage as if it was nothing then when ult is up them slam that dawnbreaker taking half of us to about half health and then they focus that person and kill them and rinse and repeat. Even with how incap is live you can’t kill these players alone. The skill needs a nerf. If you have played on Xbox na pvp you see it all the time. Even us nightblades run it. Many even prefer it over incap it’s only the ones who like to assassinate one player that actually run incap. But if your looking to decimate multiple people you run dawnbreaker.

DB is AoE. Lots of aoe reduce dmg skills. Its predictable and avoidable one too. And with the inc patch you need to cure vamp anyway. So yea, adapt.
Btw not much ppl use DB in pvp anymore (because of the evassion changes- yes the one you dont use ... )

TriangularChicken · May 2019

"Nerf Dawnbreaker the true overpowered ultimate"
..ahh..the monthly rant about 1vX players that are kiting in towers. Go nerf DB, but you will most likely still get rekt for zerg surfing...maybe trying not to stack or learning how to play the game will help more than nerfing DB..

TequilaFire · May 2019

Unbelievable.

Grandesdar · May 2019

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

Everything that kills in PvP it's usually OP.

PVP should just have plastic swords, bows and staves and everyone can RP the fight.

^I love that idea. But discard the plastic staves. Everyone knows magicka players will cry and rage and rant till they are completely excluded from any kind of nerf.

Tan9oSuccka · May 2019

I hope they don’t listen to this guy.

The problem is not Dawnbreaker, but the fact is many classes and configurations (Ex Stam Sorc) have crap ultimates.

Most are catered to Mag.

But I’m sure he’s a meta Vamp, getting messed up by DB.

Katahdin · May 2019

How about no.

DB is now the only stam ultimate left.
Pretty much everything else either never was decent or has been nerfed to oblivion.
So of course everyone is going to run it

wolfie1.0. · May 2019

I am SO tired of PVPers crying for skill nerfs. You want nerfs? Dont pvp.

You know what? When you get one hit by a tank with the new artifact weapons your gonna want a hard hitting skill.

Wolfpaw · May 2019

Not to worry, db nerf is coming.

TequilaFire · May 2019

You are all still going to die even if you get the game down to just unarmed combat.

Dragonnord · May 2019

I think in 5 years in PvP I died 5 or 6 times to Dawnbreaker, and none of them in a 1vs1. Yeah, sure! It's so OP!

ChunkyCat · May 2019

Dragonnord wrote: »

I think in 5 years in PvP I died 5 or 6 times to Dawnbreaker, and none of them in a 1vs1. Yeah, sure! It's so OP!

In five years, have you only PvP’d 5 or 6 times?

frostz417 · May 2019

You play Xbox NA? I’d love to see you in cyro. This thread makes you sound like a zergling. “They just kite around and kill people by ulti dumping dawnbreakers”
Don’t chase them you absolute potato.
These heavy armor stambuilds with fury or 7th are literal pug stomping zerg busting builds. They’re designed to stomp noobs... and you’re making a fantastic case of you being a noob who gets farmed by these people. Also... Xbox NA has more armor master zoo sorcs and tank&healer Zergs than anything. So your argument is already proven invalid because of your lack of perspective, since you’re thinking everyone’s just a heavy armor stamDB zerg smasher.

Fur_like_snow · May 2019

Not gonna read that giant wall of text but what alternative would you suggest for stam classes that have no burst option if DB gets ruined?

Dragonnord · May 2019

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

I think in 5 years in PvP I died 5 or 6 times to Dawnbreaker, and none of them in a 1vs1. Yeah, sure! It's so OP!

In five years, have you only PvP’d 5 or 6 times?

Yes, and got to GO Grade 2 in 5 or 6 times only. I'm the real OP here, not that cheap DB ulti.

Shadowasrial · May 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

You play Xbox NA? I’d love to see you in cyro. This thread makes you sound like a zergling. “They just kite around and kill people by ulti dumping dawnbreakers”
Don’t chase them you absolute potato.
These heavy armor stambuilds with fury or 7th are literal pug stomping zerg busting builds. They’re designed to stomp noobs... and you’re making a fantastic case of you being a noob who gets farmed by these people. Also... Xbox NA has more armor master zoo sorcs and tank&healer Zergs than anything. So your argument is already proven invalid because of your lack of perception of thinking everyone’s just a heavy armor stamDB zerg smasher.

I’m in Cyrodiil all the time and while I’m not personally getting farmed in these towers I see them all the time and laugh at the pugs but it’s till a powerful skill compared to class ultimates

Blinkin8r · May 2019

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I mean I’m just going to throw this out there dawn breaker. You guys think incap is op? Dawnbreaker. Undodgable large cone aoe large first and second damage over time oh and it stuns and can hit a whole large group of people and as if that wasn’t enough when slotted it increases your max damage. As a stam sorc you cast hurricane dawnbreaker spin to win and it’s over. As a stamplar you dawnbreaker jabs to death. As a warden you shalk dawnbreaker spin to win. Am I getting the message out loud and clear? The real op stamina skill is dawnbreaker. You have incap that has 5 meter range (super easy to dodge or get out of range even just by accident) is actually dodgeable hits one target (Only one) the damage buff you get is only against that player not other players. It stuns now only if you have 120 ulti and only if player isn’t blocking or running immovable. And the defile helps to keep these super power builds from being like ok crap I got hit hard I’m going to heal up and shrug it off. At least for a few seconds. On Xbox NA pvp is loaded with heavy armor heavy hitting super healing builds that can still dump dawn breaker and kill multiple people. You see it all the time in the towers just kiting and healing taking the full brunt of my 5000 weapon damage as if it was nothing then when ult is up them slam that dawnbreaker taking half of us to about half health and then they focus that person and kill them and rinse and repeat. Even with how incap is live you can’t kill these players alone. The skill needs a nerf. If you have played on Xbox na pvp you see it all the time. Even us nightblades run it. Many even prefer it over incap it’s only the ones who like to assassinate one player that actually run incap. But if your looking to decimate multiple people you run dawnbreaker.

But incap is already dead tho... Leave us our Dawny please

Raammzzaa · May 2019

If you are the type of player that gets packed up and comes to the forum to whine and cry for nerfs - you will still be that type of player regardless of any nerfs/buffs to the ability you’re currently crying about. This thread just exposes the op.

Shadowasrial · May 2019

I want everything nerfed. We need to hit each other with pillows that heal your target. Clearly this nerf thread is touching some nerves because they use this skill and when suddenly someone calls for the nerf of their love child then they want to cry.

Trinity_Is_My_Name · May 2019

Just stop. Really.

Blinkin8r · May 2019

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I want everything nerfed. We need to hit each other with pillows that heal your target. Clearly this nerf thread is touching some nerves because they use this skill and when suddenly someone calls for the nerf of their love child then they want to cry.

I don't get your reasoning. Incap was nerfed. The breakable silence is kinda meh so a lot of people will be switching to Dawnbreaker. Why beg to kill that too. You're a nightblade main. Why are you requesting a nerf for what is currently your best ultimate?

TequilaFire · May 2019

Well what do you expect there are very few skills left.
You are supposed to counter skills not nerf them!

SpacemanSpiff1 · May 2019

Nerf nerf threads.

Shadowasrial · May 2019

Blinkin8r wrote: »

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I want everything nerfed. We need to hit each other with pillows that heal your target. Clearly this nerf thread is touching some nerves because they use this skill and when suddenly someone calls for the nerf of their love child then they want to cry.

I don't get your reasoning. Incap was nerfed. The breakable silence is kinda meh so a lot of people will be switching to Dawnbreaker. Why beg to kill that too. You're a nightblade main. Why are you requesting a nerf for what is currently your best ultimate?

I wanna nerf it for the same reason all the other players call for nerfs. I don’t use it so why should I care if other players skill gets nerfed

BomblePants · May 2019

Threads like this give us PVP players a bad name....

Stop calling for nerfs!

Lylith · May 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I mean I’m just going to throw this out there dawn breaker. You guys think incap is op? Dawnbreaker. Undodgable large cone aoe large first and second damage over time oh and it stuns and can hit a whole large group of people and as if that wasn’t enough when slotted it increases your max damage. As a stam sorc you cast hurricane dawnbreaker spin to win and it’s over. As a stamplar you dawnbreaker jabs to death. As a warden you shalk dawnbreaker spin to win. Am I getting the message out loud and clear? The real op stamina skill is dawnbreaker. You have incap that has 5 meter range (super easy to dodge or get out of range even just by accident) is actually dodgeable hits one target (Only one) the damage buff you get is only against that player not other players. It stuns now only if you have 120 ulti and only if player isn’t blocking or running immovable. And the defile helps to keep these super power builds from being like ok crap I got hit hard I’m going to heal up and shrug it off. At least for a few seconds. On Xbox NA pvp is loaded with heavy armor heavy hitting super healing builds that can still dump dawn breaker and kill multiple people. You see it all the time in the towers just kiting and healing taking the full brunt of my 5000 weapon damage as if it was nothing then when ult is up them slam that dawnbreaker taking half of us to about half health and then they focus that person and kill them and rinse and repeat. Even with how incap is live you can’t kill these players alone. The skill needs a nerf. If you have played on Xbox na pvp you see it all the time. Even us nightblades run it. Many even prefer it over incap it’s only the ones who like to assassinate one player that actually run incap. But if your looking to decimate multiple people you run dawnbreaker.

DB is AoE. Lots of aoe reduce dmg skills. Its predictable and avoidable one too. And with the inc patch you need to cure vamp anyway. So yea, adapt.
Btw not much ppl use DB in pvp anymore (because of the evassion changes- yes the one you dont use ... )

so the incoming patch wrecks vamps, too?

the more i hear about it, the more it *** sucks.

Jhalin · May 2019

Vapirko wrote: »

Dawnbreaker is getting nerfed. Also the reason everyone uses it is no other good stam ults except leap. Also you can block and dodge it and it has no other effects outside damage an stun. Incap hasn’t major defile and 20% damage increase. Also your lack of understanding about the game is showing. L2P.

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

I think the issue is more the heavy armour stam meta.
It's been a thing for years. Imo those specs are heavily overperforming.
Everything except medium armour and some light armour specs is literally unkillable in openworld.
Assuming the player in heavy armour is at least somewhat competent, you just won't have enough dmg to do anything really.
And now stamdk is getting even more healing I've heard...

That's the reason why small scale pvpers just run past eachother. All you can really kill in pvp is lost zerglings and questers.

God this is such BS. You can’t kill doesn’t = unkillable.

Dawnbreaker is getting buffed in Elsweyr, Incap is nerfed to uselessness in comparison

Dawnbreaker is a good sized AoE, Incap is single target

Dawnbreaker hits hard upfront and has a heavy DoT attached, Incap has purely upfront burst built in

Dawnbreaker has unconditional CC, Incap has conditional “CC”

Dawnbreaker cannot be dodged (if you’re in the AoE you get hit with damage), Incap can be dodged

Dawnbreaker has constant unconditional 3% increase on all damage to all targets and 20% extra damage to vamps and werewolves, Incap has short-term 20% damage on one target

Dawnbreaker CC effects all builds equally (requiring a break free if stunned), Incap only effects mag builds

Incap wont have Defile, it won’t have a stun, the damage burst can be shrugged off by the heavy armor meta which uses Dawnbreaker, and now without Defile healing out the duration of the damage amp is simple.

Chilly-McFreeze · May 2019

Jhalin wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Dawnbreaker is getting nerfed. Also the reason everyone uses it is no other good stam ults except leap. Also you can block and dodge it and it has no other effects outside damage an stun. Incap hasn’t major defile and 20% damage increase. Also your lack of understanding about the game is showing. L2P.

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

I think the issue is more the heavy armour stam meta.
It's been a thing for years. Imo those specs are heavily overperforming.
Everything except medium armour and some light armour specs is literally unkillable in openworld.
Assuming the player in heavy armour is at least somewhat competent, you just won't have enough dmg to do anything really.
And now stamdk is getting even more healing I've heard...

That's the reason why small scale pvpers just run past eachother. All you can really kill in pvp is lost zerglings and questers.

God this is such BS. You can’t kill doesn’t = unkillable.

Dawnbreaker is getting buffed in Elsweyr, Incap is nerfed to uselessness in comparison

Dawnbreaker has constant unconditional 3% increase on all damage to all targets

Gawd, such bollocks. Dawnbreaker also gets a delay between initial hit and first DOT tick, so it's less bursty.

And DBoS doesn't has 3% dmg increase. It increases weapon damage by 3%. At least get your facts straight.

Solariken wrote: »

Flawless is fine IMO, but I agree that DBoS is overtuned. DBoS is so strong that I run it on literally every toon, stam and magicka, in BG. Pretty much everyone else does too with the exception of Leap and Atro.

I use that on most of my stam toons to. You know why? Because they don't have any good ultimate in their class kit. So sure, go ahead and take that away. I just tickle you to death with my Hurricane and S2W - oh wait, that's what people also complain about. Seems like a certain pattern here.

GeorgeBlack · May 2019

Everybody comments along the lines "it works for me so no"
Ye it's op... it needs an increase in cost