Nerf Dawnbreaker the true overpowered ultimate

Shardaxx

I kind of agree with you but with all my other skills getting nerfed I'll prob use db all the time so leave it alone lol.

MirkoZ

here before the dawnbreaker nerf

TequilaFire

Well with all the stamina melee ultimates nerfed they will be able to look at reducing magicka shield strength again for balance.

Neoauspex

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I mean I’m just going to throw this out there dawn breaker. You guys think incap is op? Dawnbreaker. Undodgable large cone aoe large first and second damage over time oh and it stuns and can hit a whole large group of people and as if that wasn’t enough when slotted it increases your max damage. As a stam sorc you cast hurricane dawnbreaker spin to win and it’s over. As a stamplar you dawnbreaker jabs to death. As a warden you shalk dawnbreaker spin to win. Am I getting the message out loud and clear? The real op stamina skill is dawnbreaker. You have incap that has 5 meter range (super easy to dodge or get out of range even just by accident) is actually dodgeable hits one target (Only one) the damage buff you get is only against that player not other players. It stuns now only if you have 120 ulti and only if player isn’t blocking or running immovable. And the defile helps to keep these super power builds from being like ok crap I got hit hard I’m going to heal up and shrug it off. At least for a few seconds. On Xbox NA pvp is loaded with heavy armor heavy hitting super healing builds that can still dump dawn breaker and kill multiple people. You see it all the time in the towers just kiting and healing taking the full brunt of my 5000 weapon damage as if it was nothing then when ult is up them slam that dawnbreaker taking half of us to about half health and then they focus that person and kill them and rinse and repeat. Even with how incap is live you can’t kill these players alone. The skill needs a nerf. If you have played on Xbox na pvp you see it all the time. Even us nightblades run it. Many even prefer it over incap it’s only the ones who like to assassinate one player that actually run incap. But if your looking to decimate multiple people you run dawnbreaker.

And boosts weapon damage for slotting. I'm against nerfing it, but yes this is the best ultimate in the game. Other ultimates should be measured against it (cough Templar cough).

Abhaya

It already is being nerfed. The upfront burst is being reduced and burst is king in pvp. There are also other ultimates with more upfront burst already that just aren’t AOE. It’s a damage ULTIMATE. It’s supposed to kill people.

Shadowasrial

Abhaya wrote: »

It already is being nerfed. The upfront burst is being reduced and burst is king in pvp. There are also other ultimates with more upfront burst already that just aren’t AOE. It’s a damage ULTIMATE. It’s supposed to kill people.

So was incap

Deathlord92

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Abhaya wrote: »

It already is being nerfed. The upfront burst is being reduced and burst is king in pvp. There are also other ultimates with more upfront burst already that just aren’t AOE. It’s a damage ULTIMATE. It’s supposed to kill people.

So was incap

Completely agree

FR0STDEE

Better idea. Get rid of PvP and that will stop all nerfs.

TequilaFire

FR0STDEE wrote: »

Better idea. Get rid of PvP and that will stop all nerfs.

Get rid of this forum and there will be less nerfs.

Cerra

Speaking as a magika player, Dawnbreaker stinks, who wants physical damage?

Vapirko

Jhalin wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Dawnbreaker is getting nerfed. Also the reason everyone uses it is no other good stam ults except leap. Also you can block and dodge it and it has no other effects outside damage an stun. Incap hasn’t major defile and 20% damage increase. Also your lack of understanding about the game is showing. L2P.

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

I think the issue is more the heavy armour stam meta.
It's been a thing for years. Imo those specs are heavily overperforming.
Everything except medium armour and some light armour specs is literally unkillable in openworld.
Assuming the player in heavy armour is at least somewhat competent, you just won't have enough dmg to do anything really.
And now stamdk is getting even more healing I've heard...

That's the reason why small scale pvpers just run past eachother. All you can really kill in pvp is lost zerglings and questers.

God this is such BS. You can’t kill doesn’t = unkillable.

Dawnbreaker is getting buffed in Elsweyr, Incap is nerfed to uselessness in comparison

Dawnbreaker is a good sized AoE, Incap is single target

Dawnbreaker hits hard upfront and has a heavy DoT attached, Incap has purely upfront burst built in

Dawnbreaker has unconditional CC, Incap has conditional “CC”

Dawnbreaker cannot be dodged (if you’re in the AoE you get hit with damage), Incap can be dodged

Dawnbreaker has constant unconditional 3% increase on all damage to all targets and 20% extra damage to vamps and werewolves, Incap has short-term 20% damage on one target

Dawnbreaker CC effects all builds equally (requiring a break free if stunned), Incap only effects mag builds


Incap wont have Defile, it won’t have a stun, the damage burst can be shrugged off by the heavy armor meta which uses Dawnbreaker, and now without Defile healing out the duration of the damage amp is simple.

@Jhalin This is actually straight up false. You just dont understand the patch notes. It's a bit tricky because of the wording. But because of the way that the initial damage and first dot tick line up on PTS, there will be less initial damage even though the overall damage is getting buffed. This means more time to react with less burst which is a nerf for the DBoS burst playstyle. The AoE of DBoS is a cone and fairly easly avoided unless someone cleverly CCs you before but thats just combat. And thus saying that it cannot be dodged is misleading. I dont agree with the incap nerf but your points about DBoS range from entirely incorrect to heavily biased. For example DBoS doesn't provide a 3% damage increase, it provides a 3% wpn damage increase which is very different. Im not going to write an essay to go through the rest of the inconsistencies. Also the state of incap on PTS is not a benchmark for DBoS or other ults. Incap will still be very strong, its still poison damage and has a chance to proc major defile, still provides 20% extra damage, and is still incredibly cheap especially considering NB ultimate regen and it will be more burst upfront than DBoS. I dont agree with the silence change as its too one sided to magicka, but that too is a very strong tool. People are getting way too bent out of shape about this change.

Noctus

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

I think the issue is more the heavy armour stam meta.
It's been a thing for years. Imo those specs are heavily overperforming.
Everything except medium armour and some light armour specs is literally unkillable in openworld.
Assuming the player in heavy armour is at least somewhat competent, you just won't have enough dmg to do anything really.
And now stamdk is getting even more healing I've heard...

That's the reason why small scale pvpers just run past eachother. All you can really kill in pvp is lost zerglings and questers.

problem is cp not heavy armor. in bg u can take those guys down its just cp is rly imbalanced.

Noctus

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

I think the issue is more the heavy armour stam meta.
It's been a thing for years. Imo those specs are heavily overperforming.
Everything except medium armour and some light armour specs is literally unkillable in openworld.
Assuming the player in heavy armour is at least somewhat competent, you just won't have enough dmg to do anything really.
And now stamdk is getting even more healing I've heard...

That's the reason why small scale pvpers just run past eachother. All you can really kill in pvp is lost zerglings and questers.

God this is such BS. You can’t kill doesn’t = unkillable.

@Vapirko
Sure it does. Although I don't really play anymore, and I don't claim to have been one of the best solo players. I can tell you for certain that outside of duelling 1v1s usually end in a draw.
I can easily play a build that just won't be killed by anyone running a viable openworld spec.

Exceptions to this are of course certain harcounters. I.e. stage 4 vamp stamblade in medium vs magdk or shieldbreaker sload spam + defile or whatever idk.

Maybe it's changed but that's how I remember it.

nowadays its even easier to be unkillable

Anti_Virus

I agree with the OP dawnbreaker is overpowered.

But before it’s nerfed stam class ultimates need to be adjusted so it can compete with it. Currently stam sorc, warden and even templars don’t have a good class ultimate.

Also weapon skill line ultimates need a cost reduction.

acw37162

To get the stun you have to give up the weapon damage

And dawnbreaker is nothing compared to incap which is why you don’t see nighyblades running dawbrraker even though they have access to it

Vapirko

Anti_Virus wrote: »

I agree with the OP dawnbreaker is overpowered.

But before it’s nerfed stam class ultimates need to be adjusted so it can compete with it. Currently stam sorc, warden and even templars don’t have a good class ultimate.

Also weapon skill line ultimates need a cost reduction.

What about it makes you say that? Don’t just say this is OP, back it up with at least some thought process so that a legit discussion can be had. It functions very well but that doesn’t make it OP. I can easily absorb a DBoS 1v1. Blocking it renders it nearly ineffective. I’d say Permafrost gives me far more trouble than DBoS. It’s outclassed 1v1 by the berserker ult. Leap is easily as effective and works at range. The only thing that makes meteor less effective is that it’s too easily blocked because of the telegraph and arrival time. Ideally DBoS would stay where it is because it might be one of the best designed and balanced ults in the game, but we’d see more options for stamina ults and work done to meteor to make it more usable against good players. I suspect we will get to it though when they go over guild lines. But I’m the meantime please don’t just make baseless claims, because that’s how good skills get over nerfed. TBH if there were a bench mark ult to compare other ults to, DBoS would be it imo. It’s strong, effective and functional without being OP.

Crixus8000

Vapirko wrote: »

What about it makes you say that? Don’t just say this is OP, back it up with at least some thought process so that a legit discussion can be had. It functions very well but that doesn’t make it OP. I can easily absorb a DBoS 1v1. Blocking it renders it nearly ineffective. I’d say Permafrost gives me far more trouble than DBoS. It’s outclassed 1v1 by the berserker ult. Leap is easily as effective and works at range. The only thing that makes meteor less effective is that it’s too easily blocked because of the telegraph and arrival time. Ideally DBoS would stay where it is because it might be one of the best designed and balanced ults in the game, but we’d see more options for stamina ults and work done to meteor to make it more usable against good players. I suspect we will get to it though when they go over guild lines. But I’m the meantime please don’t just make baseless claims, because that’s how good skills get over nerfed. TBH if there were a bench mark ult to compare other ults to, DBoS would be it imo. It’s strong, effective and functional without being OP.

Well said.

I feel most people use the term op for something that isn't actually op but just popular because it works well. DBos imo is not op at all, it's just a very well rounded ult. For my stamsorc I have 0 class ult choices and the only 2 ults I can actually use is this and 2h ult and I often swap between them, there is situations that performs better than DBos, so would people call that op too ?

SirPilky

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Nerf Dawnbreaker the true overpowered ultimate

NOPE

jcm2606

Or, maybe we could offer better alternatives, since the entire reason Dawnbreaker is so commonly used, is because 3/5 of the classes have *** ultimates.

Nerfing an alternative to a *** skill doesn't make the skill any less ***.

heng14rwb17_ESO

GO DB OR GO CRY !

Anti_Virus

Vapirko wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

I agree with the OP dawnbreaker is overpowered.

But before it’s nerfed stam class ultimates need to be adjusted so it can compete with it. Currently stam sorc, warden and even templars don’t have a good class ultimate.

Also weapon skill line ultimates need a cost reduction.

What about it makes you say that? Don’t just say this is OP, back it up with at least some thought process so that a legit discussion can be had. It functions very well but that doesn’t make it OP. I can easily absorb a DBoS 1v1. Blocking it renders it nearly ineffective. I’d say Permafrost gives me far more trouble than DBoS. It’s outclassed 1v1 by the berserker ult. Leap is easily as effective and works at range. The only thing that makes meteor less effective is that it’s too easily blocked because of the telegraph and arrival time. Ideally DBoS would stay where it is because it might be one of the best designed and balanced ults in the game, but we’d see more options for stamina ults and work done to meteor to make it more usable against good players. I suspect we will get to it though when they go over guild lines. But I’m the meantime please don’t just make baseless claims, because that’s how good skills get over nerfed. TBH if there were a bench mark ult to compare other ults to, DBoS would be it imo. It’s strong, effective and functional without being OP.

Hence why I said “before it gets nerfed”. Single target ultimates should either be as cheap as incap, or Dawnbreaker needs a cost increase.

Me personally? I prefer the former. Make Berserkers strike, rapid fire(except ballista) cheaper also lower the cost of dual wield ultimate to match dawnbreaker.

Ragnaroek93

Stop with the nerfs ffs.

Tommy_The_Gun

At this point I dont care and I simply laugh at every "nerf thread". Literaly everything else got nerfed so no wonder ppl use Dawnbreaker.

I no longer play PvE end game content (because of NB tank nerfs and Argonian unfortunate fate).

I also no longer play PvP end game content (dropped it with Elsweyr update). Again because of nerfs that are below any form of being able to adapt.

It is acually hilarious because I am not using any meta exploitative build, but rather non-meta build of my own, based arround my own playstyle. But this time, somehow I also took a nerf in the knee.

Oh and btw. I play since 2014. If you want more eso veterans not to play end game content, you are on a right track Zenimax.