Nerf Dawnbreaker the true overpowered ultimate

rfennell_ESO

Osteos wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

The problem with Dawnbreaker has been the fact you can make it nearly totally invisible with animation cancelling.

With it's telegraph it's really not that overpowered, without any warning of it it's OP.

I agree that it needs to be looked at for this reason.

It's been a problem, particularly with ultimates, for a while.

The choice of which ultimate isn't based on it's damage.. it's based on it's unavoidability. I'm sure properly specced that meteor and it's morphs are a no brainer tooltip, but in actuality it gives the opponent far too much warning to be as effective as advertised.

Certain ultimates and abilities need to require more of their animation be displayed before cancelled. It's not a complicated fix.

ccfeeling

DB is not class only, we all OP

Vandril

SoLooney wrote: »

Vandril wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

Only one morph gives passive weapon damage while slotted and the other stuns. Dont get the two mixed up

Also, if you're getting piped, you're probably a werewolf or vampire or just stupid squishy

Hard to take your argument seriously when you dont even properly argue your points of why dawnbreaker is OP

And it's hard to take your argument seriously when you don't even seem to know about the Fighter's Guild "Slayer" passive that causes Dawnbreaker of either morph to give some passive weapon damage while slotted.

No logical-high-horse for you in this thread! :P

Lol did you wait all day to say that?

Nope. I saw your snarky post and replied snarkily. Isn't that what forums are for? :P

SoLooney wrote: »

Vandril wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

Only one morph gives passive weapon damage while slotted and the other stuns. Dont get the two mixed up

Also, if you're getting piped, you're probably a werewolf or vampire or just stupid squishy

Hard to take your argument seriously when you dont even properly argue your points of why dawnbreaker is OP

And it's hard to take your argument seriously when you don't even seem to know about the Fighter's Guild "Slayer" passive that causes Dawnbreaker of either morph to give some passive weapon damage while slotted.

No logical-high-horse for you in this thread! :P

Yea, I did forget about the passive 3 percent slotting any fighters guild skill but you obviously didnt know that flawless gives extra weapon as that morph while smiting gives the stun

No? I didn't know that? News to me. Funny, I don't recall ever saying that both morphs gave equal amounts of weapon damage. Nor do I remember saying that the OP was correct. I only remember saying that you were wrong in that only one morph gives any passive weapon damage at all.

SoLooney wrote: »

Vandril wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

Only one morph gives passive weapon damage while slotted and the other stuns. Dont get the two mixed up

Also, if you're getting piped, you're probably a werewolf or vampire or just stupid squishy

Hard to take your argument seriously when you dont even properly argue your points of why dawnbreaker is OP

And it's hard to take your argument seriously when you don't even seem to know about the Fighter's Guild "Slayer" passive that causes Dawnbreaker of either morph to give some passive weapon damage while slotted.

No logical-high-horse for you in this thread! :P

You obviously didnt read my entire argument and OP made it seen like one morph gave all the weapon damage and the stun

Nope. Read the entire thread. OP was wrong in that regard, certainly, but that doesn't make your counterargument any less wrong.

SoLooney wrote: »

Vandril wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

Only one morph gives passive weapon damage while slotted and the other stuns. Dont get the two mixed up

Also, if you're getting piped, you're probably a werewolf or vampire or just stupid squishy

Hard to take your argument seriously when you dont even properly argue your points of why dawnbreaker is OP

And it's hard to take your argument seriously when you don't even seem to know about the Fighter's Guild "Slayer" passive that causes Dawnbreaker of either morph to give some passive weapon damage while slotted.

No logical-high-horse for you in this thread! :P

But nice try

Yes, thank you for noticing. It was such a nice try that it was a success. I was, in fact, correct in everything I stated in that post.

But no big deal. Honestly, I was just teasing you a little. :P Your post had such a serious tone that I couldn't help myself. No harm meant by it.

StarOfElyon

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I mean I’m just going to throw this out there dawn breaker. You guys think incap is op? Dawnbreaker. Undodgable large cone aoe large first and second damage over time oh and it stuns and can hit a whole large group of people and as if that wasn’t enough when slotted it increases your max damage. As a stam sorc you cast hurricane dawnbreaker spin to win and it’s over. As a stamplar you dawnbreaker jabs to death. As a warden you shalk dawnbreaker spin to win. Am I getting the message out loud and clear? The real op stamina skill is dawnbreaker. You have incap that has 5 meter range (super easy to dodge or get out of range even just by accident) is actually dodgeable hits one target (Only one) the damage buff you get is only against that player not other players. It stuns now only if you have 120 ulti and only if player isn’t blocking or running immovable. And the defile helps to keep these super power builds from being like ok crap I got hit hard I’m going to heal up and shrug it off. At least for a few seconds. On Xbox NA pvp is loaded with heavy armor heavy hitting super healing builds that can still dump dawn breaker and kill multiple people. You see it all the time in the towers just kiting and healing taking the full brunt of my 5000 weapon damage as if it was nothing then when ult is up them slam that dawnbreaker taking half of us to about half health and then they focus that person and kill them and rinse and repeat. Even with how incap is live you can’t kill these players alone. The skill needs a nerf. If you have played on Xbox na pvp you see it all the time. Even us nightblades run it. Many even prefer it over incap it’s only the ones who like to assassinate one player that actually run incap. But if your looking to decimate multiple people you run dawnbreaker.

Dawnbreaker is overperforming. I also play on Xbox one NA. I thought the meteors were bad. That stun one or two seconds before the dawnbreaker even hits is annoying AF. It's such a crutch. But I believe the solution is to give better alternatives. Make crescent sweep or empowering sweep actually worth picking over DoS.

Diundriel

Looks like someone got DBed a lot

Liww

lets make pvp even duller and slower why dont we

alanmatillab16_ESO

more PvP whining, and they call PvErs carebears.

Chilly-McFreeze

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

more PvP whining, and they call PvErs carebears.

Well, if NPCs had a forum account...

Sanguinor2

OP kinda has a Point with how much db is used on both stam and mag builds, especially in no cp, but to me this is a Pretty good sign that many class ults are just not worthwhile and that they Need changes/buffs, whats a stamsorc gonna run with db nerfed? Negate? With how weak many ults are DB kinda Needs to stay how it is imo since there are just no alternatives for some classes.

JamieAubrey

Yet EVERYTIME I use it I miss EVERYTIME

I can be up someones ass, they are AFK and it will miss somehow, I don't even bother unlocking it now

zyk

IMO, all pbaoe damage should be nerfed.

Unfortunately, ZOS is going in the opposite direction.

Chilly-McFreeze

zyk wrote: »

IMO, all pbaoe damage should be nerfed.

Unfortunately, ZOS is going in the opposite direction.

Agreed. Especially Hurricane! And buff those AoEs you can throw 30m far.

TriangularChicken

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

OP kinda has a Point with how much db is used on both stam and mag builds, especially in no cp, but to me this is a Pretty good sign that many class ults are just not worthwhile and that they Need changes/buffs, whats a stamsorc gonna run with db nerfed? Negate? With how weak many ults are DB kinda Needs to stay how it is imo since there are just no alternatives for some classes.

Yeah I partially agree, the problem is with the nature of certain skills.. in order to kill people (who are not absolute beginners) you need a bit of burst damage.. negate is great and it takes skill to use it correctly, but it won't help much in such a situation.
They should change skills like DW ult to do more damage over a shorter period of time to become more "bursty".
..and yeah.. we lack options.. stam sorc needs DB..not everybody likes playing with 2h (and 2h ult) as execute bar.

Kadoin

I don't know about everyone else but all I use is DBoS on my mag and stam chars. That's just coincidental, right?

mcagatayg

Everyone has access to this, you can get it and use it even on a magsorc, why ppl complain so much about a GLOBAL ulti, i dont understand

Deathlord92

I hope they nerf dawnbreaker hard just like my stamblade got it a while ago I’d say no to nerfing buff everything else now my stamblade been butchered hard af I don’t care anymore nerf everything starting with dawnbreaker and pet sorcs 😎

Sanguinor2

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I hope they nerf dawnbreaker hard just like my stamblade got it a while ago I’d say no to nerfing buff everything else now my stamblade been butchered hard af I don’t care anymore nerf everything starting with dawnbreaker and pet sorcs 😎

just start running heavy like every other stam class and stamblade is buffed

Irylia

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I’m happy I’m not the only one seeing how op dawnbreaker is unfortunately m8 the only players who are crying about incap are either mag sorcs who don’t want competition from stamblades or these zerglings who want to mindlessly zerg in peace with there dawnbreaker and there button bashing of aoes with out fear of nb jumping on them.

The zerglings play nb and toss out incaps

Katahdin

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I hope they nerf dawnbreaker hard just like my stamblade got it a while ago I’d say no to nerfing buff everything else now my stamblade been butchered hard af I don’t care anymore nerf everything starting with dawnbreaker and pet sorcs 😎

You know your stamblade can run dawnbreaker too right?

That is what my stamblade is going to do.
All stamblades should drop incap like a hot potato to show the devs how utterly useless we think it is now.

Deathlord92

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I hope they nerf dawnbreaker hard just like my stamblade got it a while ago I’d say no to nerfing buff everything else now my stamblade been butchered hard af I don’t care anymore nerf everything starting with dawnbreaker and pet sorcs 😎

just start running heavy like every other stam class and stamblade is buffed

I know mate I will be fine when Elsweyr goes live I already know what I’m going to use and try I think spriggan and bp still going to be good but I’m still salty at the nerfs especially since pet sorcs still op. My only problem is tanky dks with 40k resistances with difile and dots they won’t be unbeatable but they will be incredibly hard to kill and you see them in groups. I prefer playing solo so 1vxing tanks will be very hard with out fracture and defile.

Deathlord92

Katahdin wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I hope they nerf dawnbreaker hard just like my stamblade got it a while ago I’d say no to nerfing buff everything else now my stamblade been butchered hard af I don’t care anymore nerf everything starting with dawnbreaker and pet sorcs 😎

You know your stamblade can run dawnbreaker too right?

That is what my stamblade is going to do.
All stamblades should drop incap like a hot potato to show the devs how utterly useless we think it is now.

I actually agree with that I’m just salty my sulking is legendary lmao 😂

Deathlord92

Irylia wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I’m happy I’m not the only one seeing how op dawnbreaker is unfortunately m8 the only players who are crying about incap are either mag sorcs who don’t want competition from stamblades or these zerglings who want to mindlessly zerg in peace with there dawnbreaker and there button bashing of aoes with out fear of nb jumping on them.

The zerglings play nb and toss out incaps

Stamblade better suited for solo players i have no problem getting 1vxs now and when pts goes live I will be fine then to tanks will be a problem tho I personally play stamblade because I just favour rogues as I have in previous elder scrolls games and other games.

Katahdin

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I hope they nerf dawnbreaker hard just like my stamblade got it a while ago I’d say no to nerfing buff everything else now my stamblade been butchered hard af I don’t care anymore nerf everything starting with dawnbreaker and pet sorcs 😎

You know your stamblade can run dawnbreaker too right?

That is what my stamblade is going to do.
All stamblades should drop incap like a hot potato to show the devs how utterly useless we think it is now.

I actually agree with that I’m just salty my sulking is legendary lmao 😂

I agree, believe me. I'm pretty salty about the nerfs to nb this patch. I'm told group play won't be effected much because the group will give what we lost.

Solo play is a bigger concern but there are other easily available sources of major defile. Just switch out one of your sets for one that gives it. The upside is you'll apply defile more often than with just incap (another reason removing it from incap is laughable but people that cried for it should be careful what they ask for )

I've had to rethink my stamblade for pvp and I'm now I'm rebuilding him for that.
I think I'm going to be a bigger PIA than before thanks to these crybabies

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Kalixte

What a wonderful idea. Yes, nerf DoS and remove the bit of fun this game still has and give even more difficulties for solo or smallscale players against zergs. Like, it's a freaking ultimate, so yeah it's designed to be powerful. Stop asking nerf for everything standing in your death recap, ask for buffs instead for underused skills.

Salvas_Aren

Kalixte wrote: »

What a wonderful idea. Yes, nerf DoS and remove the bit of fun this game still has and give even more difficulties for solo or smallscale players against zergs. Like, it's a freaking ultimate, so yeah it's designed to be powerful. Stop asking nerf for everything standing in your death recap, ask for buffs instead for underused skills.

You are quite mean. How dare you tell people to get gud instead of asking for nerfs for the others?

The problem is, better players will still be better players, even if nerfed to the ground. The noobs don't understand that.

I'm not that good, I admit it. But a friend is, and whenever his build gets nerfed he gets stronger, because he invents new ways to play it. Others don't and die.

CompM4s

frostz417 wrote: »

You play Xbox NA? I’d love to see you in cyro. This thread makes you sound like a zergling. “They just kite around and kill people by ulti dumping dawnbreakers”
Don’t chase them you absolute potato.
These heavy armor stambuilds with fury or 7th are literal pug stomping zerg busting builds. They’re designed to stomp noobs... and you’re making a fantastic case of you being a noob who gets farmed by these people. Also... Xbox NA has more armor master zoo sorcs and tank&healer Zergs than anything. So your argument is already proven invalid because of your lack of perspective, since you’re thinking everyone’s just a heavy armor stamDB zerg smasher.

But he died from it... so it must be nerfed.

Shadowasrial

Well we can all agree that we are steadily being pushed more and more into group play and that is not cool. Just because this is an mmo doesn’t mean we should be pushed into groups. The way pvp is right now there are tons of tanky players now. You can of course kill these players but not fast enough. Because now by the time your even close backup is right on your heels. If you do manage to kill a meta player with heavy armor builds then your more than likely going to be ran down like a dog before you can escape

Deathlord92

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Well we can all agree that we are steadily being pushed more and more into group play and that is not cool. Just because this is an mmo doesn’t mean we should be pushed into groups. The way pvp is right now there are tons of tanky players now. You can of course kill these players but not fast enough. Because now by the time your even close backup is right on your heels. If you do manage to kill a meta player with heavy armor builds then your more than likely going to be ran down like a dog before you can escape

I will never play in a group i prefer solo play

Chilly-McFreeze

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Well we can all agree that we are steadily being pushed more and more into group play and that is not cool. Just because this is an mmo doesn’t mean we should be pushed into groups. The way pvp is right now there are tons of tanky players now. You can of course kill these players but not fast enough. Because now by the time your even close backup is right on your heels. If you do manage to kill a meta player with heavy armor builds then your more than likely going to be ran down like a dog before you can escape

I will never play in a group i prefer solo play

Most of the times it doesn't even has something to do with preference, we just lag out when many players are around.

Deathlord92

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Well we can all agree that we are steadily being pushed more and more into group play and that is not cool. Just because this is an mmo doesn’t mean we should be pushed into groups. The way pvp is right now there are tons of tanky players now. You can of course kill these players but not fast enough. Because now by the time your even close backup is right on your heels. If you do manage to kill a meta player with heavy armor builds then your more than likely going to be ran down like a dog before you can escape

I like say there nothing wrong with some op players coming together slaughtering zergs I like to sit back and watch it but for me personally I just prefer playing alone and I know I’m not the only one no one should be forced into group play. One of the biggest things I have always loved about eso pvp is the freedom to play how you like and the option to play solo and still slaughter when outnumbered.