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Xynode Builds
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Heelie✭✭✭✭✭
...so basically you’ve never actually watched his videos.
He actually DOES explain - quite clearly - why he doesn’t RECOMMEND lightning staves or IA on healers - “recommend,” BTW, not “tells people not to use them”.
If you’d watched his videos you’d know that.
For the Lightning staff issue, he pints out that you lose destro passives when swapping to a resto. Therefore the increase chance to proc off-balance goes away. When you have sorcs which are in fact using destros (like for instance the Easy Sorc) they’re swapping between destros and therefore never lose the passive, so you can have 100% uptime on concussion and therefore 25% uptime on off-balance per target. You don’t get that with a healer that’s running a resto/destro.
As for IA, he points out very, very clearly that it’s a DPS set. There’s nothing in its bonuses that screams “healer”. And since minor vulnerability is provided by other sets & skills, it’s kind of wasted on a healer when they could be using another healer-focused set. Now, if you have a DPS wearing it (again, like an Easy Sorc), not only can the DPS provide minor vulnerability to cover drop-offs from other sources and therefore guarantee 100% uptime, but the other set bonus to heavy attack damage is very good.
Again, you’d know that if you actually watched his videos instead of regurgitating what you’ve heard others say.
Nice try, though...
If this was how he put it always I could respect that, since it's correct with several lightning sorcs it's wasted. But I have seen him ban several people including myself on his stream for even suggesting using it on healers. Now it's his stream his rules, but this is not the impression that I got. A lot of groups now a days use 5-6 stamina dd's these are the groups where IA is needed.
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mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭One of the things that I appreciate very much about Xynode and his content is that he always has a very well thought out, very clearly stated explanations and reasons why he chooses everything that he does in his builds. He doesn’t ever just say “do this, don’t do that“. There is ALWAYS a very solid reason and explanation why.
Also, he gives OPTIONS. Four instance, he points out very clearly that healers CAN wear IA and use lightning staves. Or that a tank CAN wear Alkosh. and then he goes on to explain what situations that might actually be beneficial in. But he also clearly explains why these things aren’t INTENDED to be healer and tank sets, and explains how they can be far more effectively used in the context that they are intended to be used as - DPS.
But in all of these and more he always – ALWAYS gives an explanation.3 -
mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭Nah. He’s never “banned“ people from his stream for suggesting things. What he HAS banned people from his streams for is argumentativeness and continuing to try to press your point when he’s already given his answer.Edited by mikemacon on May 16, 2019 8:36PM2
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Heelie✭✭✭✭✭Nah. He’s never “banned“ people from his stream for suggesting things. What he HAS banned people from his streams for is argumentativeness and continuing to try to press your point when he’s already given his answer.
I think this conversation is getting out of hand anyways, my original point was trying to reach out as an end game player saying that even tho his builds are not for me I can appreciate the contest they are made in, and I can see how they might help a lot of players. I am sorry if it was worded poorly. Sometimes you just have to agree to disagreeMost OwOrated healer of all time3 -
mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭Nah. He’s never “banned“ people from his stream for suggesting things. What he HAS banned people from his streams for is argumentativeness and continuing to try to press your point when he’s already given his answer.
I think this conversation is getting out of hand anyways, my original point was trying to reach out as an end game player saying that even tho his builds are not for me I can appreciate the contest they are made in, and I can see how they might help a lot of players. I am sorry if it was worded poorly. Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree
Fair enough. As an end game player myself who uses his builds, I can live with that.Edited by mikemacon on May 16, 2019 8:48PM0 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I’ve known about Xynode for a WHILE. I’ve been telling my friends he has some AWESOME DK Builds. Like how he thinks outside the box!1 -
Mrslizardface✭✭✭
...so basically you’ve never actually watched his videos.
He actually DOES explain - quite clearly - why he doesn’t RECOMMEND lightning staves or IA on healers - “recommend,” BTW, not “tells people not to use them”.
If you’d watched his videos you’d know that.
For the Lightning staff issue, he pints out that you lose destro passives when swapping to a resto. Therefore the increase chance to proc off-balance goes away. When you have sorcs which are in fact using destros (like for instance the Easy Sorc) they’re swapping between destros and therefore never lose the passive, so you can have 100% uptime on concussion and therefore 25% uptime on off-balance per target. You don’t get that with a healer that’s running a resto/destro.
As for IA, he points out very, very clearly that it’s a DPS set. There’s nothing in its bonuses that screams “healer”. And since minor vulnerability is provided by other sets & skills, it’s kind of wasted on a healer when they could be using another healer-focused set. Now, if you have a DPS wearing it (again, like an Easy Sorc), not only can the DPS provide minor vulnerability to cover drop-offs from other sources and therefore guarantee 100% uptime, but the other set bonus to heavy attack damage is very good.
Again, you’d know that if you actually watched his videos instead of regurgitating what you’ve heard others say.
Nice try, though...
If this was how he put it always I could respect that, since it's correct with several lightning sorcs it's wasted. But I have seen him ban several people including myself on his stream for even suggesting using it on healers. Now it's his stream his rules, but this is not the impression that I got. A lot of groups now a days use 5-6 stamina dd's these are the groups where IA is needed.
can confirm since i was banned on his stream for asking. Also him and his followers are pretty toxic4 -
therift✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Mrslizardface wrote: »
...so basically you’ve never actually watched his videos.
He actually DOES explain - quite clearly - why he doesn’t RECOMMEND lightning staves or IA on healers - “recommend,” BTW, not “tells people not to use them”.
If you’d watched his videos you’d know that.
For the Lightning staff issue, he pints out that you lose destro passives when swapping to a resto. Therefore the increase chance to proc off-balance goes away. When you have sorcs which are in fact using destros (like for instance the Easy Sorc) they’re swapping between destros and therefore never lose the passive, so you can have 100% uptime on concussion and therefore 25% uptime on off-balance per target. You don’t get that with a healer that’s running a resto/destro.
As for IA, he points out very, very clearly that it’s a DPS set. There’s nothing in its bonuses that screams “healer”. And since minor vulnerability is provided by other sets & skills, it’s kind of wasted on a healer when they could be using another healer-focused set. Now, if you have a DPS wearing it (again, like an Easy Sorc), not only can the DPS provide minor vulnerability to cover drop-offs from other sources and therefore guarantee 100% uptime, but the other set bonus to heavy attack damage is very good.
Again, you’d know that if you actually watched his videos instead of regurgitating what you’ve heard others say.
Nice try, though...
If this was how he put it always I could respect that, since it's correct with several lightning sorcs it's wasted. But I have seen him ban several people including myself on his stream for even suggesting using it on healers. Now it's his stream his rules, but this is not the impression that I got. A lot of groups now a days use 5-6 stamina dd's these are the groups where IA is needed.
can confirm since i was banned on his stream for asking. Also him and his followers are pretty toxic
Disappointing.
I have found that all of the major streamers have a large percentage of toxic followers. Question the streamer; incur their wrath.
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Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I like his videos and builds too.
His opening clip to his videos is really nice. 
Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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dogman✭✭✭✭this thread is as delusional as a flat earther meet upi'm just tryna have a good time7 -
iLLcrime✭✭✭✭Not a huge fan of his ideas around healing, he tells people not to use lightning staves or Infallible Aether, even though healers have shown both things are good. Most healers will have succes running IA even in normal trials.
Where is he telling people not to use IA or Lightning staves? Asking for a friend..
He has mentioned it several times, most recent on his warden healer build but there are several occasions.
I watched that earlier today (after reading about this stuff here) and must have missed it. It does feel like that warden healer build just screams "overhealing". Looks fun and different but I happen to like my Templar healer with Olo/IA/Earthgore and lightning staff backbar at the moment *shrug*I put on my robe and wizard hat0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not a huge fan of his ideas around healing, he tells people not to use lightning staves or Infallible Aether, even though healers have shown both things are good. Most healers will have succes running IA even in normal trials.
Most healers would find success running non-set items in normal trials. The issue with IA is, it doesn't benefit the healer doing their job. You want IA to put Vulnerability on the boss? Get a DPS to do it. That frees your healers to run sets that actually help them do their job. Stuff like Mending, SPC, Jorvuld, or Olo. You know, sets that are advantageous for the healer, and can't simply get shuffled off to the DPS.5 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not a huge fan of his ideas around healing, he tells people not to use lightning staves or Infallible Aether, even though healers have shown both things are good. Most healers will have succes running IA even in normal trials.
Where is he telling people not to use IA or Lightning staves? Asking for a friend..
He doesn't. His easy sorc build literally uses IA and is 80% lightning damage.
Front and back bar lightning staves.
I've had disagreements with him before and never got a ban. I also didn't keep pushing after I made my point either.
Yeah, if you can't drop something, you'll get a ban. That's on you, though.Edited by Kel on May 17, 2019 2:53AM1 -
bongtokin420insd16✭✭✭✭straight up. Watch the dungeon series, it will change your life. Best ESO channel hands down.
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T3hasiangod✭✭✭✭✭[snip]
To be honest, there's nothing wrong with his builds. For what they are built for, they're pretty decent. What I have issue with is the fact that many people who use these builds consider them as good as the meta builds, which is complete hogwash. Like please show me the parses that are getting within 1 percent of the meta builds. Meta is meta for a reason. Just because something can do DLC dungeons half-decently does not make it as good as the meta.
These same people are the ones who try to bring these builds into vet trials, not realizing the builds aren't good enough. Then we have to essentially reteach the meta to these same people, assuming they're receptive enough for feedback. Because a lot of them aren't and just complain on the forums about the elitism in end-game raiding, not realizing that they wouldn't be pulling their fair share.
So tl;dr Xynode builds are ok for what they were designed for, but his followers are the ones who elevate him and his builds to unrealistic expectations. [snip]
Off-meta is off-meta for a reason. If you have no intention on doing vet trials, then you do you. But don't you say that off-meta is within 1 percent of the meta and expect us to believe that without solid hard parses as evidence.
[edited for non-constructive/baiting comments]Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on May 17, 2019 3:41PM12 -
lassitershawn✭✭✭✭✭T3hasiangod wrote: »[snip]
To be honest, there's nothing wrong with his builds. For what they are built for, they're pretty decent. What I have issue with is the fact that many people who use these builds consider them as good as the meta builds, which is complete hogwash. Like please show me the parses that are getting within 1 percent of the meta builds. Meta is meta for a reason. Just because something can do DLC dungeons half-decently does not make it as good as the meta.
These same people are the ones who try to bring these builds into vet trials, not realizing the builds aren't good enough. Then we have to essentially reteach the meta to these same people, assuming they're receptive enough for feedback. Because a lot of them aren't and just complain on the forums about the elitism in end-game raiding, not realizing that they wouldn't be pulling their fair share.
So tl;dr Xynode builds are ok for what they were designed for, but his followers are the ones who elevate him and his builds to unrealistic expectations. [snip]
Off-meta is off-meta for a reason. If you have no intention on doing vet trials, then you do you. But don't you say that off-meta is within 1 percent of the meta and expect us to believe that without solid hard parses as evidence.
Pretty much this post. When I was a new player myself I took some builds off the internet that were essentially advertised as BiS and were anything but. Being new to MMOs I just kind of naively assumed the content was accurate and later learned the hard way that it was not. Ofc I was willing to accept that another build was better and was willing to learn from actual endgame players, some people are not and just stupidly insist things like "IA on DPS" are BiS with no evidence to back it up (note that opinion and theorycrafting are in general not evidence). Same goes for a lot of players taking builds from popular websites.
On a side note, how does copying a build from a "meta-killer" (lol) website make you any more innovative or special than someone who copies their build from someone who is actually using a meta build. Like... lol? Can someone who fancies themselves anti-meta for any reason other than cool RP builds (full respect to those and those who advertise them as what they are) answer this for me?Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on May 17, 2019 3:42PMWilliam Thorne - EP Breton Sorcerer
Astrid Winterborn - EP Breton Warden
Erik Ironskin - EP Nord Dragonknight
Venasa Viri - EP Dunmer Nightblade
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FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Beer and cake in the chat for Xynode. He’s an absolute legend.
All About Mechanics is the best place to learn about dungeons.
His builds are great on their own or as starting points. I really like the way he explains the thinking behind them.
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭kathandira wrote: »kathandira wrote: »kathandira wrote: »ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »@ArchangelIsraphel xynode does tend to focus on class skills that provide identity to his builds, rather than weapon skills - - one of the things you'll hear him say or read in his notes quite often is that he chooses skills that give reason to play a specific class, or, indeed, play vampire for example. He picks sets that compliment that philosophy to achieve the best results. In many ways that is the very essence of what makes a xynode build, and how they can work within 1 or 2 % of the meta.
Agree or disagree, but in my experience console and pc play differently (player experience, responsiveness, qol). Certain classes (sorc, dk) I will pick a xynode build over an alcast build for that reason on xbox.
That's what I'm liking about everything I'm seeing. The classes actually feel unique. I'm thinking of respeccing my NB completely after seeing this because I'm just not having fun with his alcast build, and I feel like I could enjoy him more trying out Xynode's builds.
I've never played on Xbox, only on PC, but I think I'll enjoy it on PC just as much
Side note to fans of alcast builds that I'm not trying to insult alcast or anything- those guides have been useful to me as well. I just don't enjoy the style of gameplay I'm getting out of them at all and my mele characters feel really stagnant in terms of skills and animations. These look so much more dynamic. I might even pick up the DK I abandoned ages ago again.
Alcasts build seem to be built with the intention that the entire Trial group is creating their builds with complete synergy. They work best when everyone has the other team mates in mind when coordinating their builds. It is the Pro technique.
If I were in a scoreboard chasing guild, I would absolutely be using builds like his. But since my guild doesn't coordinate like that, I make builds with the assumption that I may not get all the buffs that I need to perform to my best ability. So in his build where he doesn't slot a certain buff, I do so I can at least be 100% sure I will be getting it.
To me, it seems that is the difference between the two build creators. They are built for different audiences.
Very good point. Xynode tends to build on self sufficiency, Alcast and others (Dottz, etc) on group synergy and coordination. There is a place for both philisophies, and neither outweighs the other except for niche requirement.
Part of enjoying this game is exploring that, and the more voices the better.
100% Agreed.
Reading this has made me consider creating videos for fun builds for the bottom half of the player base. The Non-Vet Trials players. Fun stuff that is actually effective. Sort of a Deltia Revival. There are so many fun ways to build characters that can capitalize on their identity that i'd like to see more of it.
I weep for Deltia... Helped me so much in the early days.
For real! Me too! I loved his builds, they were a ton of fun and super interesting. Not all of them were great performers, but for simple content they were a blast to play.
If I do this, and I really am considering it, it would be simply about hitting the 20k mark on a 3m dummy. Just something that can get players through Vet Dungeons and Normal Trials while being contributes. It would be for those who have a hard time getting above that 10k mark. Since we have many immigrants from WoW coming over, I think it could be nice for people looking for a starting point.
If it's something you feel strongly about, that gets you motivated and passionate, why the hell not? I say go for it... if you don't try, you fail by default... There's a Dutch saying: 'nee heb je, maar ja kun je krijgen' -- 'You already have no, but you can receive a yes', meaning you can only gain something by trying.1 -
mocap✭✭✭✭✭
✭saw his easy sorc build... You need:
Undaunted Infiltrator lightning staff
Undaunted Infiltrator 3 jewerly
you need 150 transmute crystals, cuz set is medium, so jewerly (or any other body armor parts) is robust (stamina)
you need vma lightning staff
easy sorc...2 -
lassitershawn✭✭✭✭✭kathandira wrote: »kathandira wrote: »ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »@ArchangelIsraphel xynode does tend to focus on class skills that provide identity to his builds, rather than weapon skills - - one of the things you'll hear him say or read in his notes quite often is that he chooses skills that give reason to play a specific class, or, indeed, play vampire for example. He picks sets that compliment that philosophy to achieve the best results. In many ways that is the very essence of what makes a xynode build, and how they can work within 1 or 2 % of the meta.
Agree or disagree, but in my experience console and pc play differently (player experience, responsiveness, qol). Certain classes (sorc, dk) I will pick a xynode build over an alcast build for that reason on xbox.
That's what I'm liking about everything I'm seeing. The classes actually feel unique. I'm thinking of respeccing my NB completely after seeing this because I'm just not having fun with his alcast build, and I feel like I could enjoy him more trying out Xynode's builds.
I've never played on Xbox, only on PC, but I think I'll enjoy it on PC just as much
Side note to fans of alcast builds that I'm not trying to insult alcast or anything- those guides have been useful to me as well. I just don't enjoy the style of gameplay I'm getting out of them at all and my mele characters feel really stagnant in terms of skills and animations. These look so much more dynamic. I might even pick up the DK I abandoned ages ago again.
Alcasts build seem to be built with the intention that the entire Trial group is creating their builds with complete synergy. They work best when everyone has the other team mates in mind when coordinating their builds. It is the Pro technique.
If I were in a scoreboard chasing guild, I would absolutely be using builds like his. But since my guild doesn't coordinate like that, I make builds with the assumption that I may not get all the buffs that I need to perform to my best ability. So in his build where he doesn't slot a certain buff, I do so I can at least be 100% sure I will be getting it.
To me, it seems that is the difference between the two build creators. They are built for different audiences.
Very good point. Xynode tends to build on self sufficiency, Alcast and others (Dottz, etc) on group synergy and coordination. There is a place for both philisophies, and neither outweighs the other except for niche requirement.
Part of enjoying this game is exploring that, and the more voices the better.
100% Agreed.
Reading this has made me consider creating videos for fun builds for the bottom half of the player base. The Non-Vet Trials players. Fun stuff that is actually effective. Sort of a Deltia Revival. There are so many fun ways to build characters that can capitalize on their identity that i'd like to see more of it.
Should try making an ice build with winterborn, I've always wanted to see how fast you could get it to proc xD Warden with 2x ice dots, frost reach dot, asylum staff for the frost part of FP, frost glyph, ice blockade, ice light attacks, ice destro, iceheart, absolute crazy amount of chilled procs. I feel like you could probably get it to proc like once a second and maybe get 5k+ out of it, you'd sacrifice a lot of DPS elsewhere but it might be fun.William Thorne - EP Breton Sorcerer
Astrid Winterborn - EP Breton Warden
Erik Ironskin - EP Nord Dragonknight
Venasa Viri - EP Dunmer Nightblade
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭saw his easy sorc build... You need:
Undaunted Infiltrator lightning staff
Undaunted Infiltrator 3 jewerly
you need 150 transmute crystals, cuz set is medium, so jewerly (or any other body armor parts) is robust (stamina)
you need vma lightning staff
easy sorc...
Uhm... 150 transmutes isn't hard to get , you get them by just playing the game.
Possibly the only thing in that list which is above average difficulty to get is the vma staff.2 -
AbysmalGhul✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think his builds are great stepping stone for learning the basics and for overall improvement. I haven't personally used them, but the idea behind them are very valuable.
1. You learn simple rotations
2. You learn the reasoning behind the equipment and skill choices
3. You receive encouragement from the teacher himself.
I think it's a great starting point in finding your class identity.3 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭After reading this topic I've check his video-build and was fun for DPS but a true disappointment for the healer build.
Nothing special, just the traditional Olorime/Jorvul.
That just how bad healer set are, almost no choice for serious content, quite sad..[ PC EU ]
[ Khuram-dar ]
[ Khajiit ]
[ Templar - Healer ]
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mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭“For what they’re designed for.”
Yep.
What they’re designed for is the entirety of the game.
I personally have run vet trials with Xynode’s builds with no problem.
Nice try, though…Edited by mikemacon on May 17, 2019 12:31PM3 -
Mrslizardface✭✭✭“For what they’re designed for.”
Yep.
What they’re designed for is the entirety of the game.
I personally have run vet trials with Xynode’s builds with no problem.
Nice try, though…
You could say that about anything, but in reality the group could be carrying you and you could be barely contributing, so saying you've done vet trials with xynode builds means nothing...Edited by Mrslizardface on May 17, 2019 12:39PM6 -
mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭Mrslizardface wrote: »“For what they’re designed for.”
Yep.
What they’re designed for is the entirety of the game.
I personally have run vet trials with Xynode’s builds with no problem.
Nice try, though…
You could say that about anything, but in reality the group could be carrying you and you could be barely contributing, so saying you've done vet trials with xynode builds means nothing...
Nah. That’s the beauty of Combat Metrics. I can see what my actual real-world damage is while engaging mechanics, as well as my incoming and outgoing buffs and debuts.
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mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭Also I run with the Ninja Cakes guild on PC. We run almost all Xynode builds in all content.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But hey - meta orthodoxy says that’s impossible, so eh.2 -
Mrslizardface✭✭✭Mrslizardface wrote: »“For what they’re designed for.”
Yep.
What they’re designed for is the entirety of the game.
I personally have run vet trials with Xynode’s builds with no problem.
Nice try, though…
You could say that about anything, but in reality the group could be carrying you and you could be barely contributing, so saying you've done vet trials with xynode builds means nothing...
Nah. That’s the beauty of Combat Metrics. I can see what my actual real-world damage is while engaging mechanics, as well as my incoming and outgoing buffs and debuts.
Again, nice try...
Could you share? Since none of xynode builds show actual dps4
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