Lol, so many "lore-zombies" that does not even understand how MMO's works. I hope Zos'es will not listen you and will improve MMO mechanics, not this annoing nonsense about "who must be attacked by usless guards in MMO without free PvP".

kargen27 wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Well using vampire skills, and getting caught feeding will get you a bounty already. Only one out of line is werewolf transformation.

Use a werewolf skill on an NPC and you will get a bounty. Just walking around like a werewolf same as vampire nobody cares. I'm assuming the town folk think it is some kind of illusion and if you set out a hat they will give you coins.

Using a werewolf skill should not result in a bounty. It should result in being attacked with no bounty. Only when an NPC sees you transform into a werewolf should you get a bounty.

The reason is that when you are in werewolf form, they have no idea who you are unless they witnessed the transformation.

The problem is that the trigger for being attacked by guards is bounty. They would probably need a temporary increase in bounty when in werewolf form that is removed when you turn back (unless there are witnesses when you turn back, causing you to keep the bounty).

Michaelkeir wrote: »

I was under the impression that would eventually be the case. That the necromancer crimes where just the start and that werewolves and vampires would happen soon after.

I remember hearing that. But I don't remember the source.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Michaelkeir wrote: »

I was under the impression that would eventually be the case. That the necromancer crimes where just the start and that werewolves and vampires would happen soon after.

I remember hearing that. But I don't remember the source.

I believe it was from a Twich or Talk with the devs a few months or weeks back.... can't remember the specifics as I had it running in the background while I was playing. But I recall them saying they will see how the crime system pans out with the Necromancer powers and implement it into other areas later. I genuinely figured they were thinking of Werewolves and Vampires.

As for Vampires....I can see them adding bounties depending on your current level of vampirism. I'd wager they are going to wait for a vampire centered DLC similarly to the WolfHunter dlc where they change and add more active skills to vampires. This way they'd have ability to look normal (at the cost of a skill spot on your bar) when at the later stages of vampirism. This is something most vampires want anyway since a lot of the community complain how ugly stage 4 looks.

I vote no because what a lot of you are suggesting is not in line with necromancer. It is not illegal to be a necromancer. Only casting certain skill is considered a criminal act. So making a stage 4 vampire attack on sight is not in line at all with necromancy.

It is already a criminal act for them to feed in public or use essence drain on an npc. I suppose you could make it criminal to mist form around town but that doesn't really seem necessary to me.

Werewolves are trickier. They only have access to skills while in werewolf form. If you make it illegal to be a werewolf in town, which does make sense, then once again that is out of line with the justice system with necromancers.

Sorry but no, I do not want to be attacked on sight just for being a Vampire regardless of stage just for existing. However I wouldnt mind using any vampire skill to give a bounty after reading some of the feedback here. Same for werewolf, If you transform or use skills rack up a bounty.

And No I would not accept a skill slot to look normal, A passive that still uses up a skill point or 3 to lessen how you appear fine but I shouldn't have to give up a slot just to not get attacked for existing.

Now if they make it were you wont get attacked regardless of stage but you will for using skills I can live with that and in that case if it takes a skill slot to look more normal and that's all it does is cosmetic fine but I dont want to to feel forced to using up a slot to look better just to prevent getting shanked.

I will say in one of the single player games I would be a lot more willing to deal with being attacked for being a vampire but not in a mmo, it would be annoying and not something id be willing to deal with just for visitng towns and what not.

Single player game? Maybe.

MMO? No.

Michaelkeir wrote: »

I was under the impression that would eventually be the case. That the necromancer crimes where just the start and that werewolves and vampires would happen soon after.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Michaelkeir wrote: »

I was under the impression that would eventually be the case. That the necromancer crimes where just the start and that werewolves and vampires would happen soon after.

I remember hearing that. But I don't remember the source.

The devs said it in a recent video let me find it for you. January 15 stream but I can’t find the time stamp right now. 1:58:50 I think.

Edit and in another video I’m still looking.

I clicked the wrong one, but I kind of agree with my misclick, too.

I meant to go for No.

I don't believe we should suddenly find that skills we've long held are illegal. Folks have said daedric pets should be illegal, too. So, all of a sudden, 2/5 skills on my bars are not only useless, but detrimental to me while in towns? No. Unless all classes/afflictions/etc are willing to have some of their skills punishable by law, no.

With Necro, at least you know when you're making your character that there are repercussions of that choice.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Well using vampire skills, and getting caught feeding will get you a bounty already. Only one out of line is werewolf transformation.

Use a werewolf skill on an NPC and you will get a bounty. Just walking around like a werewolf same as vampire nobody cares. I'm assuming the town folk think it is some kind of illusion and if you set out a hat they will give you coins.

Using a werewolf skill should not result in a bounty. It should result in being attacked with no bounty. Only when an NPC sees you transform into a werewolf should you get a bounty.

The reason is that when you are in werewolf form, they have no idea who you are unless they witnessed the transformation.

The problem is that the trigger for being attacked by guards is bounty. They would probably need a temporary increase in bounty when in werewolf form that is removed when you turn back (unless there are witnesses when you turn back, causing you to keep the bounty).

I once conducted a test of this game's stealth mechanics. Long story short, in this game any ACTION seen gives you a bounty.

The test was building weapon damage and using dual wield heavy attacks from stealth. I was able to kill enemies with the first strike (dw HA have two strikes) and only the second strike pulls you out of stealth. I actually recommend trying trying this setup sometime, it's fun!

The issue is, I never came out of stealth but would still accrue a bounty.

The system you want would require an overhaul of the entire justice system, from the ground up.

Edit: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/345055/sneaking-killing-and-bounty-discovery#latest

The thing is, werewolves can easily not gain a bounty. Just don't use the transformation in town.

Vampires on the other hand have a number of issues to deal with that makes the whole thing a constant annoyance if being stage four becomes a criminal act.

karekiz wrote: »

Yes however. I can easily see WW doing a dungeon -> Finishing it -> Leaving the dungeon -> Put in town -> Still in WW form from encounter -> Instant KoS.

So some fixes would have to be made

Werewolf form counts down inside of load screens. That will never happen.

What might happen is someone leaves town to kill quest mobs, transforms, kills the mobs, then runs back to quest giver in town still in their ww form. Even then the timer is so short by the time you get back to the npc you’d de-transform before you can open dialogue. I speak from experience.

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe all skills regardless of what they do should cause guards to attack, it would certainly remove dueling in towns and force players to do it outside the city limits.

There would be chaos in the cities. More NPC's would be dead and guards running around chasing players in Mistform. This is an MMO. Civil order is impossible unless they ban casting in all towns. Won't happen.

Pretty sure that vampirism and lycanthropy is shunned by all the the races (Maybe not the imperials though...)