Feanor wrote: »

Maybe the Caluurion gank Builds could be toned down a bit as well then.

Maybe that's a problem with Calurrion's and not magblade?

Rikumaru wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Maybe the Caluurion gank Builds could be toned down a bit as well then.

Maybe that's a problem with Calurrion's and not magblade?

I never like Caluurion anyways. Too one trick pony for me, plus it requires melee range to hit consistently. If you want added burst just use prox det for a delayed effect damage ability.

I much prefer adding to my base stats or mitigation.

Btw, Idk if anyone’s realized but bright throat’s been indirectly nerfed. Witchmother’s isn’t as good now, I prefer the longfish pasty whatever it’s called. Is there’s a drink version with comparable stats? BT requires using a drink and food is better then drinks now.

I'd rather have the speed removed from path and added something else in return. A speed buff on a stationary aoe skill is stupid and it doesn't make this bad skill good. Even with buffs to the healing, you still only get the benefit of either the speed or the healing, not both. I tried to use it, but as it is, it's not worth slotting, even if it remains the only source of major expedition.
The speed buffs should be put back on cripple and blur. Made a lot more sense on those skills and as many already mentioned, having the same buff on multiple skills isn't redundancy. It just opens up more options for different builds.

fred4 wrote: »

ABSOLUTELY NOT, NO WAY!!!

I also main a melee magblade. I am constantly in and out of cloak for the speed boost and the opportunity to stun and crit. I stack additional speed (Steed, Swift). The moment I do not stack the additional speed, I can no longer keep up with medium armor builds in a melee fight and my Concealed attacks become ineffective, and also Zaan, because I don't actually hit people. In terms of defense, if I am not faster, in cloak, than your average stamsorc, I am screwed.

Let me repeat that: The speed buff on Concealed is one of the VERY BEST THINGS ABOUT MELEE MAGBLADE. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH IT!!!

I do see where you guys are coming from and you've brought me around to your way of thinking, which is why I suggested in the post before yours that the speed buff should be worked into the base skill (Veiled Strike), while adding something unique to the morphs. Again, I'm thinking it would be a PERFECT place for Minor Fracture/Breach, but I know there are plenty of smarter people in this thread with better ideas.

@Iskiab, I'd like to respond to this statement you made:

Agreed too about the speed being awesome on concealed. Best thing to do if you use dark cloak is drop concealed completely and use sap or pulsar as your spammable. Or better yet, use sap for melee and elemental ring for ranged with the BRP staff.

I use my melee MagBlade primarily for duels. I'm running a Flame/Frost Staff 5/1/1 light armor setup. My gear is 5 Torug's Pact, 5 Mother's Sorrow, and 2 Troll King. Between my skill bars, CP perks, enchants, etc. I'm able to keep my Troll King proc running almost all the time. But I NEED Dark Cloak to fill in the gaps. I simply cannot stay alive without it.

Which is why I'm not running Shadowy Disguise, and why I get no benefit from the speed boost, and why I would like to see some other small benefit added to Concealed Weapon, my spammable of choice. (My front bar is Impale, Flame Clench, Lotus Fan, Concealed Weapon, Crippling Grasp, and Soul Harvest).

From a stylistic perspective, the reason I use CW over Pulsar or Sap Essence is that I have plenty of "wizard" type characters. I want a proper melee spammable that LOOKS like a hand-to-hand combat ability.

From a numeric perspective, the reason I use CW is because the other two simply don't hit a single target quite as hard in a duel. And my build is ABSOLUTELY dependent upon dumping large amounts of burst and DoT damage into my dueling partner in as little time as possible, with my HoTs keeping my up long enough to keep the intense pressure going.

Long story short, my build is a low-defense, high-pressure damage build. Pulsar and Sap don't let me apply the same level of pressure that CW does.

On another note, I'm STILL trying to figure out how I'm going to deal with the loss of Major Expedition to Crippling Grasp. I'm afraid that altering my front bar is going to make my build fall apart.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

ABSOLUTELY NOT, NO WAY!!!

I also main a melee magblade. I am constantly in and out of cloak for the speed boost and the opportunity to stun and crit. I stack additional speed (Steed, Swift). The moment I do not stack the additional speed, I can no longer keep up with medium armor builds in a melee fight and my Concealed attacks become ineffective, and also Zaan, because I don't actually hit people. In terms of defense, if I am not faster, in cloak, than your average stamsorc, I am screwed.

Let me repeat that: The speed buff on Concealed is one of the VERY BEST THINGS ABOUT MELEE MAGBLADE. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH IT!!!

I do see where you guys are coming from and you've brought me around to your way of thinking, which is why I suggested in the post before yours that the speed buff should be worked into the base skill (Veiled Strike), while adding something unique to the morphs. Again, I'm thinking it would be a PERFECT place for Minor Fracture/Breach, but I know there are plenty of smarter people in this thread with better ideas.

@Iskiab, I'd like to respond to this statement you made:

Agreed too about the speed being awesome on concealed. Best thing to do if you use dark cloak is drop concealed completely and use sap or pulsar as your spammable. Or better yet, use sap for melee and elemental ring for ranged with the BRP staff.

I use my melee MagBlade primarily for duels. I'm running a Flame/Frost Staff 5/1/1 light armor setup. My gear is 5 Torug's Pact, 5 Mother's Sorrow, and 2 Troll King. Between my skill bars, CP perks, enchants, etc. I'm able to keep my Troll King proc running almost all the time. But I NEED Dark Cloak to fill in the gaps. I simply cannot stay alive without it.

Which is why I'm not running Shadowy Disguise, and why I get no benefit from the speed boost, and why I would like to see some other small benefit added to Concealed Weapon, my spammable of choice. (My front bar is Impale, Flame Clench, Lotus Fan, Concealed Weapon, Crippling Grasp, and Soul Harvest).

From a stylistic perspective, the reason I use CW over Pulsar or Sap Essence is that I have plenty of "wizard" type characters. I want a proper melee spammable that LOOKS like a hand-to-hand combat ability.

From a numeric perspective, the reason I use CW is because the other two simply don't hit a single target quite as hard in a duel. And my build is ABSOLUTELY dependent upon dumping large amounts of burst and DoT damage into my dueling partner in as little time as possible, with my HoTs keeping my up long enough to keep the intense pressure going.

Long story short, my build is a low-defense, high-pressure damage build. Pulsar and Sap don't let me apply the same level of pressure that CW does.

On another note, I'm STILL trying to figure out how I'm going to deal with the loss of Major Expedition to Crippling Grasp. I'm afraid that altering my front bar is going to make my build fall apart.

You haven’t been on PTS I take it? Sap and Concealed do almost identical damage.

1 thing,

To not be “silence chain-spammed” by 3 stamblades in stealth.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

You haven’t been on PTS I take it? Sap and Concealed do almost identical damage.

For real? Well, that gives me a little extra hope then, because Sap synergizes pretty well with Troll King.

I'd STILL be kind of bitter about losing my nifty psi-blade animation, though.

Thanks for the heads-up, Isk!

EDIT: Has Sap Essence had its cost reduced? Because CW is still cheaper, and I'm already on a relatively tight leash with resource management, which is why I use a back-bar Frost Staff so I can keep Elemental Drain running at all times.

No, it’s still maybe 200 magicka more expensive. Not a big issue, plus major sorcery and the small heal are bonus’. Another advantage is you don’t have to be as exact in your targeting and zoo builds end up increasing your self healing.

For those who haven’t checked out PTS, all aoes have been massively boosted. Things like caltrops have been changed so they do a ton of aoe damage up front and then a dot. Cloaking builds might have it rough when it goes live since aoes knock you out of stealth.

All the patches after 5.0 got the attention, but the biggest game changers are in 5.0. Things like witchmothers being nerfed so longfin will be better, which means no more Bright Throat.

Iskiab wrote: »

No, it’s still maybe 200 magicka more expensive. Not a big issue, plus major sorcery and the small heal are bonus’. Another advantage is you don’t have to be as exact in your targeting and zoo builds end up increasing your self healing.

I've been using Degeneration on my back bar for Major Sorcery and the HoT (again, with the intent of keeping Troll King rolling), but your point about pet builds is BRILLBALLZ 2020!

Pray magblade fans that they listen to us and tomorrow pts we get our burst heal 🙏 please pretty please 🥺 zos 🙏

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Pray magblade fans that they listen to us and tomorrow pts we get our burst heal 🙏 please pretty please 🥺 zos 🙏

Burst heal would be nice but I’m afraid of losing the new double take snare removal; I think it’s going to be pretty good now that RAT was nerfed so I don’t want to lose it.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

I main a melee MagBlade and I think Concealed Weapon needs a complete overhaul.

I would eagerly trade in the stealthed speed boost for Minor Breach, a cost reduction, or a small DoT that applies Minor Stamina Steal while it ticks.

Don't get me wrong, the changes to Lotus Fan are a nice buff for melee MagBlades, but we need our single-target spammable to mesh with our kit better.

After spending a lot of time adjusting to the way magblade has been for the past two years, I would agree with you. But, when I think back to why I chose to be a magblade to begin with was to use concealed weapon with cloak and shadow image. Magblade is unique from stamina because of those tools, and that they can be used consistently and effectively to confuse and disorient an opponent. Those changes you suggest might make magblade more like stamblade, where conflict is approached with brute force. Magblade has always required more strategy, I don't think we should give that up.

For a class that's "supposed" to lack damage mitigation by design, it's weird that they took away a form of defense, which is major expedition, from its kit leaving it only to a ground based heal that you outrun in 1 sec, and give grim focus that change.

Magblades need some serious representative. It's least vocal class that is nerfed patch after patch because of stamblades. Cloak has been nerfed because of free piercing mark. Grim focus... I don't know what this skill is now, complete chaos. Incap = death sentence for any mag class, magblade included. Shadow image still bugged (in 4 months we will have anniversary 🥇) and there is no hope for fix. Not to mention things like healing ward nerf, undo bug.

What magblades needs? There is no good answer, it depends how you're going to build your character, but in general we can say magblade lacks of complexity. You can build magblade for high damage/sustain/tankyness but you can't combine it well like you can on other classes.

Except of cloak which is countered by half of the skills (aoes that got buffed) magblade has no skills or passives that make them unique while in combat. We have no skills that are "must have". You can build magblade completely of nonclass skills and it will do just as fine as the one filled with them.

When I compare my bars on magblade vs magsorc or magplar ones all I can say it's sad. On sorc I am using 2-3 non class skills, on magplar even less, 1-2. On magblade 5-6.

Iskiab wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Maybe the Caluurion gank Builds could be toned down a bit as well then.

Btw, Idk if anyone’s realized but bright throat’s been indirectly nerfed. Witchmother’s isn’t as good now, I prefer the longfish pasty whatever it’s called. Is there’s a drink version with comparable stats? BT requires using a drink and food is better then drinks now.

Double bloody mara has been buffed on pts(don't know if it's intended though) and gives you a bit more than melon baked parmesan pork.
so that will make BTB even stronger if it goes live.