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This game has become the most unstable MMO in history
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Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »OP is simply wrong and has not played many MMOs. Off the top of my head I can name worst stable MMOs that pretty much deleted classes to uselessness for profit and P2W.
- Black Desert Online
- Blade and Soul
- Blessed Online
- Revelation Online
- Skyforge
I could keep on going but you get the drift.
ESO is actually one of the most stable and better MMOs. That I have played in my 16 plus years of MMO experience, through many MMO titles. That is the truth!
There are only two that I can think of that are more stable than ESO. That's Guild Wars 2 and Eve Online.
Don't forget Archeage plz.
The king of fail, everything about this game is a tragic fail.
Damn, it's was gonna be the new king of MMO when announced, but greediness kill this game in the eggs..
For ESO, until now I think it's ok, the only very boring thing is the bad server performance.
Even yesterday in Dark Shad cavern II, in the fight against the pack of trash before last boss room I get heavy ping and incredibly low FPS for no reason, was horrible to play.
They really need to fix that imo.
For class and race change "nerf", I'm ok.
Nerf is better than buff.
Power creep have killed so many game just because dev was worrying to lose player if they nerfed class.
ZoS have ball of steel when they take this decision, I respect that.
Game change are never gonna make everyone happy, it's just impossible and normal.[ PC EU ]
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ArchangelIsraphel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »OP is simply wrong and has not played many MMOs. Off the top of my head I can name worst stable MMOs that pretty much deleted classes to uselessness for profit and P2W.
- Black Desert Online
- Blade and Soul
- Blessed Online
- Revelation Online
- Skyforge
I could keep on going but you get the drift.
ESO is actually one of the most stable and better MMOs. That I have played in my 16 plus years of MMO experience, through many MMO titles. That is the truth!
There are only two that I can think of that are more stable than ESO. That's Guild Wars 2 and Eve Online.
I'm gonna second this. Played every single one of those. Especially when it comes to Blade and Soul. NCSoft threw that game under the bus. I still play casually, but me and two friends pretty much abandoned it after one free weekend of ESO on steam made us realize there was so much more to do in this game than in most games out there.
There is a crap ton to do in this game. Thats not contestable.
The problem is how the game is managed by creating mechanism to waste youre time, and even more so if you design builds that are not common but effective.
Its a shame that people are stuck and willing to pay to be taken advantage.
*shrugs* It depends on your point of view. IMO Blade and Soul and it's nerfs waste more of my time than the nerfs here. The only thing I'm annoyed with is the NB nerfs and stealth removal on bosmer. But it's still nothing in comparison to what NCSoft has done to Blade x Soul since it's launch, given the amount of effort it takes to upgrade a character there only to have it nerfed into the ground within a matter of months. Certainly it takes effort here, but at least I'm not farming for a fragment of a fragment of a fragment of a fragment of an item that when combined with 2876276319 other items makes one of the 292987398288917827389 items I need to upgrade my weapon, only to end up having the character nerfed all to heck and become useless in PVE because it was made to be OP bait at it's launch.
Yes you need mats here, and peices of mats...and its annoying when a character you've worked on gets nerfed... but it's....really not as bad as some games. Oh the nerfs are unpleasant to be sure, but I don't feel like as much of my time or my effort is wasted because progression is easy here when compared to games like Blade x Soul. And I mention that there's more to do because...in a way for me this compensates for the nerfs, where as in other games, there is only the end game. Ever. Here my character doesn't feel useless after a nerf. I don't feel taken advantage of. I'm annoyed, I think the devs are making some pretty weird decisions, but I've faced worse.
Not saying you shouldn't be annoyed, but this isn't the most unstable mmo in history by a long shot.PC l NA
Legends never die
They're written down in eternity
But you'll never see the price it costs
The scars collected all their lives
When everything's lost, they pick up their hearts and avenge defeat
Before it all starts, they suffer through harm just to touch a dream
Oh, pick yourself up, 'cause
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Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭strom arena, nerf event drops, nerf transmutation drops, nerf race against time, nerf draining shot, nerf nightblade, nerf sorc, nerf dragonknight, nerf major evasion, nerf sub assault, nerf wings, nerf ravager, nerf blocking, nerf dodge rolling, nerf cloak, nerf mist form, nerf enchants, nerf spin to win, nerf argonians, nerf orcs, nerf snipe, nerf master's staff, nerf healing, nerf solar flare, nerf necromancer, nerf dot ticks, nerf crafting...did I miss anything? These forums are filled with whiny entitled players who don't want challenging game play they want to beat everybody and all content with the least amount of skill possible. So the question is when will we stop trying to nerf everything before the game becomes an echo of itself?
I could actually list all the nerfs and nerf overs throughout the history of this game. But, I would rather someone else do it.
I took this from another post to demonstrate how tiree a lot of us have become of manufacturee instability in this game just so devs can fee like you have done something innovative with the game.
If anyone wants to add other nerfs that devs have riddled the game with. Pls be my guest and list them. Some have been nerfed, buffed, nerfed angain and buffed again.
Ridiculousness
Replace NERF with Balance and you are good to go....
EsO is the most stable and balanced MMO out in the moment.0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »OP is simply wrong and has not played many MMOs. Off the top of my head I can name worst stable MMOs that pretty much deleted classes to uselessness for profit and P2W.
- Black Desert Online
- Blade and Soul
- Blessed Online
- Revelation Online
- Skyforge
I could keep on going but you get the drift.
ESO is actually one of the most stable and better MMOs. That I have played in my 16 plus years of MMO experience, through many MMO titles. That is the truth!
There are only two that I can think of that are more stable than ESO. That's Guild Wars 2 and Eve Online.
I'm gonna second this. Played every single one of those. Especially when it comes to Blade and Soul. NCSoft threw that game under the bus. I still play casually, but me and two friends pretty much abandoned it after one free weekend of ESO on steam made us realize there was so much more to do in this game than in most games out there.
There is a crap ton to do in this game. Thats not contestable.
The problem is how the game is managed by creating mechanism to waste youre time, and even more so if you design builds that are not common but effective.
Its a shame that people are stuck and willing to pay to be taken advantage.
*shrugs* It depends on your point of view. IMO Blade and Soul and it's nerfs waste more of my time than the nerfs here. The only thing I'm annoyed with is the NB nerfs and stealth removal on bosmer. But it's still nothing in comparison to what NCSoft has done to Blade x Soul since it's launch, given the amount of effort it takes to upgrade a character there only to have it nerfed into the ground within a matter of months. Certainly it takes effort here, but at least I'm not farming for a fragment of a fragment of a fragment of a fragment of an item that when combined with 2876276319 other items makes one of the 292987398288917827389 items I need to upgrade my weapon, only to end up having the character nerfed all to heck and become useless in PVE because it was made to be OP bait at it's launch.
Yes you need mats here, and peices of mats...and its annoying when a character you've worked on gets nerfed... but it's....really not as bad as some games. Oh the nerfs are unpleasant to be sure, but I don't feel like as much of my time or my effort is wasted because progression is easy here when compared to games like Blade x Soul. And I mention that there's more to do because...in a way for me this compensates for the nerfs, where as in other games, there is only the end game. Ever. Here my character doesn't feel useless after a nerf. I don't feel taken advantage of. I'm annoyed, I think the devs are making some pretty weird decisions, but I've faced worse.
Not saying you shouldn't be annoyed, but this isn't the most unstable mmo in history by a long shot.
I agree with you 100%. That game was literally the worst I have ever experienced.
The title here was never met intended to be taken literally. It was a figure of speech. Like when an individual says
"Hey Bro"
Translation "Hello" not "Hello Brother" as in relates to same brother or mother.
I do wish Zos success. But, I do feel they are are becoming too big for there own good and getting greedy. Greed always kills good games. They have diamond here and they are going to f it up.
More innovation is needed rather than spending time trying to fool people with the term balance. If they put as much time in to creating new innovative content vs nerf and buff roulette, this game would have a much longer life span.0 -
thedude33✭✭✭✭✭ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »OP is simply wrong and has not played many MMOs. Off the top of my head I can name worst stable MMOs that pretty much deleted classes to uselessness for profit and P2W.
- Black Desert Online
- Blade and Soul
- Blessed Online
- Revelation Online
- Skyforge
I could keep on going but you get the drift.
ESO is actually one of the most stable and better MMOs. That I have played in my 16 plus years of MMO experience, through many MMO titles. That is the truth!
There are only two that I can think of that are more stable than ESO. That's Guild Wars 2 and Eve Online.
I'm gonna second this. Played every single one of those. Especially when it comes to Blade and Soul. NCSoft threw that game under the bus. I still play casually, but me and two friends pretty much abandoned it after one free weekend of ESO on steam made us realize there was so much more to do in this game than in most games out there.
There is a crap ton to do in this game. Thats not contestable.
The problem is how the game is managed by creating mechanism to waste youre time, and even more so if you design builds that are not common but effective.
Its a shame that people are stuck and willing to pay to be taken advantage.
*shrugs* It depends on your point of view. IMO Blade and Soul and it's nerfs waste more of my time than the nerfs here. The only thing I'm annoyed with is the NB nerfs and stealth removal on bosmer. But it's still nothing in comparison to what NCSoft has done to Blade x Soul since it's launch, given the amount of effort it takes to upgrade a character there only to have it nerfed into the ground within a matter of months. Certainly it takes effort here, but at least I'm not farming for a fragment of a fragment of a fragment of a fragment of an item that when combined with 2876276319 other items makes one of the 292987398288917827389 items I need to upgrade my weapon, only to end up having the character nerfed all to heck and become useless in PVE because it was made to be OP bait at it's launch.
Yes you need mats here, and peices of mats...and its annoying when a character you've worked on gets nerfed... but it's....really not as bad as some games. Oh the nerfs are unpleasant to be sure, but I don't feel like as much of my time or my effort is wasted because progression is easy here when compared to games like Blade x Soul. And I mention that there's more to do because...in a way for me this compensates for the nerfs, where as in other games, there is only the end game. Ever. Here my character doesn't feel useless after a nerf. I don't feel taken advantage of. I'm annoyed, I think the devs are making some pretty weird decisions, but I've faced worse.
Not saying you shouldn't be annoyed, but this isn't the most unstable mmo in history by a long shot.
I agree with you 100%. That game was literally the worst I have ever experienced.
The title here was never met intended to be taken literally. It was a figure of speech. Like when an individual says
"Hey Bro"
Translation "Hello" not "Hello Brother" as in relates to same brother or mother.
I do wish Zos success. But, I do feel they are are becoming too big for there own good and getting greedy. Greed always kills good games. They have diamond here and they are going to f it up.
More innovation is needed rather than spending time trying to fool people with the term balance. If they put as much time in to creating new innovative content vs nerf and buff roulette, this game would have a much longer life span.
lol !!!!
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭witchdoctor wrote: »When in doubt: BACK PEDAL FASTER!
Lol. Like I said, anything but yo concentrate onnthe real issue. If some of you would put forth the same you put into "Gotcha Post" you might actually have a better game.
But, go ahead and keep paying devs to trick you.
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thedude33✭✭✭✭✭witchdoctor wrote: »When in doubt: BACK PEDAL FASTER!
Lol. Like I said, anything but yo concentrate onnthe real issue. If some of you would put forth the same you put into "Gotcha Post" you might actually have a better game.
But, go ahead and keep paying devs to trick you.
Should we take this literally or is it another 'Hey Bro' post?0 -
regime211✭✭✭✭✭
✭strom arena, nerf event drops, nerf transmutation drops, nerf race against time, nerf draining shot, nerf nightblade, nerf sorc, nerf dragonknight, nerf major evasion, nerf sub assault, nerf wings, nerf ravager, nerf blocking, nerf dodge rolling, nerf cloak, nerf mist form, nerf enchants, nerf spin to win, nerf argonians, nerf orcs, nerf snipe, nerf master's staff, nerf healing, nerf solar flare, nerf necromancer, nerf dot ticks, nerf crafting...did I miss anything? These forums are filled with whiny entitled players who don't want challenging game play they want to beat everybody and all content with the least amount of skill possible. So the question is when will we stop trying to nerf everything before the game becomes an echo of itself?
I could actually list all the nerfs and nerf overs throughout the history of this game. But, I would rather someone else do it.
I took this from another post to demonstrate how tiree a lot of us have become of manufacturee instability in this game just so devs can fee like you have done something innovative with the game.
If anyone wants to add other nerfs that devs have riddled the game with. Pls be my guest and list them. Some have been nerfed, buffed, nerfed angain and buffed again.
Ridiculousness
This game has become absolute garbage. Broken OP sets, that you're damn near forced to run in pvp. It was good while it lasted if it ever was good.1 -
Ertosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goregrinder wrote: »I dunno... since they are talking about buffs, nerfs to their favorite skills and class. I've actually played Matrix Online when it came out. And yeah... even goin by the OP's logic, ESO is not even close to being the most unstable game ever. And i was a Demonology Lock in WoW for 14 years and they are technically the most nerfed class in any mmos history. Okay, little bias there cause i do still love locks, and hated their nerfs 😋
Sounds more like the OP just upset that their favorite skills, races and class(es) got hit with the whiffle nerf bat, and needs to vent before actually lashing out.
Oh man these youngin's have no idea right? Mxo was never given a fair chance man!
No, they certainly don't. I remember when it was all just MUDs and MUCKs! These days, we're living the dream with our multicolored, non-text-based graphics and all some of these younglings can do is complain.PC NA @Ertosi♠♦ My Team ♥♣
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No new crafting or game systems for 2019? "Season of the Dragon" would be better named "The Year of no New Major Features"
https://i.imgur.com/TPscgS9.jpg to see major features of the last few years compared.
https://i.imgur.com/X8qY0gP.jpg to see a detailed comparison of this year's Q1 to the last two Q1s.
https://i.imgur.com/4z71cK8.jpg to see a detailed comparison of each years' first two quarters combined.
https://i.imgur.com/jrHe5h8.jpg to see a projected comparison of the full years and what 2019's Q4 will need to catch up.
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭strom arena, nerf event drops, nerf transmutation drops, nerf race against time, nerf draining shot, nerf nightblade, nerf sorc, nerf dragonknight, nerf major evasion, nerf sub assault, nerf wings, nerf ravager, nerf blocking, nerf dodge rolling, nerf cloak, nerf mist form, nerf enchants, nerf spin to win, nerf argonians, nerf orcs, nerf snipe, nerf master's staff, nerf healing, nerf solar flare, nerf necromancer, nerf dot ticks, nerf crafting...did I miss anything? These forums are filled with whiny entitled players who don't want challenging game play they want to beat everybody and all content with the least amount of skill possible. So the question is when will we stop trying to nerf everything before the game becomes an echo of itself?
I could actually list all the nerfs and nerf overs throughout the history of this game. But, I would rather someone else do it.
I took this from another post to demonstrate how tiree a lot of us have become of manufacturee instability in this game just so devs can fee like you have done something innovative with the game.
If anyone wants to add other nerfs that devs have riddled the game with. Pls be my guest and list them. Some have been nerfed, buffed, nerfed angain and buffed again.
Ridiculousness
This game has become absolute garbage. Broken OP sets, that you're damn near forced to run in pvp. It was good while it lasted if it ever was good.
Yeah. Its pretty sad. But, they will get what they got comimg. Im certainly not going pay for it.0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »OP is simply wrong and has not played many MMOs. Off the top of my head I can name worst stable MMOs that pretty much deleted classes to uselessness for profit and P2W.
- Black Desert Online
- Blade and Soul
- Blessed Online
- Revelation Online
- Skyforge
I could keep on going but you get the drift.
ESO is actually one of the most stable and better MMOs. That I have played in my 16 plus years of MMO experience, through many MMO titles. That is the truth!
There are only two that I can think of that are more stable than ESO. That's Guild Wars 2 and Eve Online.
Wild Star (More Stable)
EveSkyforge
Neverwinter (More Stable)
Guild Wars (More Stable)
Star Wars Old Rep (More Stable)
Star Trek ((More Stable)
Dcuo (More Stable)
City of Heros (More Stable)
Tera
Champion Online (More Stable)
Yeah...but I havent play any mmos...I played mmos before most of youre were even born.
I have played alot of mmos. Listen here zippy! BDO is a good game. Youre talking about bdo as if they deleted those classes recently. That was in the beginning stages. Not after 5 years like eso.
Even Dcuo which was and is a crappy game is more stable than ESO. Yourr builds are fine no matter when you come back.
Hell. If youre definition of stable is nerfing youre builds every 2 to 3 month, then have at it.
For sane people who make there own builds and spend hours and weeks creating effective new and unique builds, this game will waste that time. Some of you have time to waste. Good for you. Mine is valuable and I certainly am not going to pay someone to make my time a complete waste simply because devs want to give the illusion they are
"Balancing the Game"
Lmfao!
P.S. look a the list. You didnt think very hard.
dies from laughter.
wildstar. - shut down
neverwinter - is literally currently undergoing a gigantic shift with new expansion where classes were COMPLETELY redesigned, scaling is all sorts of messed up to the point where they are releasing patches every FEW DAYS to try and fix it up. and this is not first or second or third time this happen - it pretty much happens every. major. Neverwinter. patch.
SWTOR - underwent as many if not more class redesigns than ESO in LESS TIME
GW - which one, first or second? first is stable cause its practically a single player game, second - oh lordie. they have delayed content patches to fix gameplay issues.
City of heroes - shut down
Star Trek - same issues as Neverwinter.
and those are just games that I can speak of from personal experience oh and unlike ESO? all but GW2 - make you relevel and RE-GEAR FROM SCRATCH every damn major content release.
dude. what in a world are you smoking? cause that's some powerful stuff
@SkerKro flavor of the month, I keep mixing up my flashes and flavors, especially since some of those really are like a flash in a pan. god, i remember most of the ones you brought up. I also remember when for a while, they buffed the crap out of my BM hunter for a bit, and then nerfed it so hard that a whole bunch of us just stood in front of the target dummies after trying "new and improved" hunter - shellshocked. and I stand corrected about the source!
but anyways, yeah, the irony here is that horizontal progression is WHY this game is far more stable than most on the list.
because unless i'm trying to be in a top 1% or something, i can come back years down the road and still play with the same build and gear. pick up where i left off. its actualy part of the reason i'm on current hiatus from Neverwinter - current expansions did a number of several classes i like to play, and its not that i cannot adjust to changes, its that like the last few times I came back to, and left again Neverwinter? those changes are just not fun, so i'm waiting until, hopefully they come to their senses and make some adjustments.
Dies from laughter
You keep paying devs to keep nerfing youre builds and wasting youre time you cant buy back and you guys are ok with it.
A lot of youre responses were this or that shut down or being redisigned.
You make it seem like having a gsme redesign is a bad thing. Neverwinter was a great game on its worse day than ESO. Im glad they are redesigning it rather than changes class skills every 2 months.
And you do realize City of Heroes is still operting right?
You mean that private server? That's not "In Operation", that's someone "hopefully" building a server with their own written code. Not the same bud lol.
And now that you mention it, 13k crowns, ESO +, Elsweyr Collector's edition is definitely not enough, I should definitely buy some more stuff from ZOS tonight.
Yeah. Its pretty much "Nerf Bait"
But, go ahead and knock youreself out.Edited by Lab3360 on May 10, 2019 6:15AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Unstable = Constant Changes = Horizontal Progression
Its the equivalent of making us take 2 steps backwards, then 3 steps forward, so we feel like we're making progress, but the Devs don't have to work as hard to keep pace with new content.
But is it weird that now I'm curious when they nerfed crafting?
One Tamriel was a big boost for crafters because it made max level mats available everywhere instead of just DLC zones and Cyrodiil, and ZOS recently changed how writ rewards grant useful max level as well as lower tier mats.
I honestly don't recall a crafting nerf. Am I forgetting something?
I think you give Zos to much credit that they actually have an organized thought concerning their changes.
I cannot give them the same credit when they increased the effectiveness of the Templar Javelin knockback then completely removed the knockback less than a year later. I think they are still struggling to learn how to manage this game and that is giving them credit that they are learning something.0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Unstable = Constant Changes = Horizontal Progression
Its the equivalent of making us take 2 steps backwards, then 3 steps forward, so we feel like we're making progress, but the Devs don't have to work as hard to keep pace with new content.
But is it weird that now I'm curious when they nerfed crafting?
One Tamriel was a big boost for crafters because it made max level mats available everywhere instead of just DLC zones and Cyrodiil, and ZOS recently changed how writ rewards grant useful max level as well as lower tier mats.
I honestly don't recall a crafting nerf. Am I forgetting something?
I think you give Zos to much credit that they actually have an organized thought concerning their changes.
I cannot give them the same credit when they increased the effectiveness of the Templar Javelin knockback then completely removed the knockback less than a year later. I think they are still struggling to learn how to manage this game and that is giving them credit that they are learning something.
Hmmm. I could be off on intent. But, either way it creates inconsistency and makes for a very unstable environment for builds. I refuse to give them a single cent at this point.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Unstable = Constant Changes = Horizontal Progression
Its the equivalent of making us take 2 steps backwards, then 3 steps forward, so we feel like we're making progress, but the Devs don't have to work as hard to keep pace with new content.
But is it weird that now I'm curious when they nerfed crafting?
One Tamriel was a big boost for crafters because it made max level mats available everywhere instead of just DLC zones and Cyrodiil, and ZOS recently changed how writ rewards grant useful max level as well as lower tier mats.
I honestly don't recall a crafting nerf. Am I forgetting something?
I think you give Zos to much credit that they actually have an organized thought concerning their changes.
I cannot give them the same credit when they increased the effectiveness of the Templar Javelin knockback then completely removed the knockback less than a year later. I think they are still struggling to learn how to manage this game and that is giving them credit that they are learning something.
Hmmm. I could be off on intent. But, either way it creates inconsistency and makes for a very unstable environment for builds. I refuse to give them a single cent at this point.
My comment was not to the OP of the thread, but since you bring it up, we tend to use the term unstable as it relates to how smoothly the game runs. Though I do understand what you mean.
I have not been pleased with how this game has been run since it launched, including how Zos has lacked direction with the management of this game. There is really only one person responsible and that is MattF. I think he is out of his league and that leads to such inconsistencies.0 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭strom arena, nerf event drops, nerf transmutation drops, nerf race against time, nerf draining shot, nerf nightblade, nerf sorc, nerf dragonknight, nerf major evasion, nerf sub assault, nerf wings, nerf ravager, nerf blocking, nerf dodge rolling, nerf cloak, nerf mist form, nerf enchants, nerf spin to win, nerf argonians, nerf orcs, nerf snipe, nerf master's staff, nerf healing, nerf solar flare, nerf necromancer, nerf dot ticks, nerf crafting...did I miss anything? These forums are filled with whiny entitled players who don't want challenging game play they want to beat everybody and all content with the least amount of skill possible. So the question is when will we stop trying to nerf everything before the game becomes an echo of itself?
I could actually list all the nerfs and nerf overs throughout the history of this game. But, I would rather someone else do it.
I took this from another post to demonstrate how tiree a lot of us have become of manufacturee instability in this game just so devs can fee like you have done something innovative with the game.
If anyone wants to add other nerfs that devs have riddled the game with. Pls be my guest and list them. Some have been nerfed, buffed, nerfed angain and buffed again.
Ridiculousness
This game has become absolute garbage. Broken OP sets, that you're damn near forced to run in pvp. It was good while it lasted if it ever was good.
Sm1 who dont know to pvp i see. Here are PLENTY of viable sets, but for some builds you need THE SET. Its not my foult you follow the "meta" and what you see from BIG PVP STARS . Make your own build and make it work. Its possible. Meta is easy to follow but also easy to counter because it makes you predictable. Dont blame the game pls/ calling it garbadge even,,,
There was one OP set / shieldbreaker/ thats all/
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Unstable = Constant Changes = Horizontal Progression
Its the equivalent of making us take 2 steps backwards, then 3 steps forward, so we feel like we're making progress, but the Devs don't have to work as hard to keep pace with new content.
But is it weird that now I'm curious when they nerfed crafting?
One Tamriel was a big boost for crafters because it made max level mats available everywhere instead of just DLC zones and Cyrodiil, and ZOS recently changed how writ rewards grant useful max level as well as lower tier mats.
I honestly don't recall a crafting nerf. Am I forgetting something?
I think you give Zos to much credit that they actually have an organized thought concerning their changes.
I cannot give them the same credit when they increased the effectiveness of the Templar Javelin knockback then completely removed the knockback less than a year later. I think they are still struggling to learn how to manage this game and that is giving them credit that they are learning something.
Hmmm. I could be off on intent. But, either way it creates inconsistency and makes for a very unstable environment for builds. I refuse to give them a single cent at this point.
My comment was not to the OP of the thread, but since you bring it up, we tend to use the term unstable as it relates to how smoothly the game runs. Though I do understand what you mean.
I have not been pleased with how this game has been run since it launched, including how Zos has lacked direction with the management of this game. There is really only one person responsible and that is MattF. I think he is out of his league and that leads to such inconsistencies.
Yeah, its like with every 2 to 3 months, devs nerf something major in just about every class. In 2 of there expansions, devs have gutted a class and imprinted said skills onto a new class included for sale in new expansion.
The irony is people actually buy it. Then ince devs get all the miney they can get out expansion and all the Whoopla settles, devs nerf the new class into the ground.
I dont get how people are ok with being tricked.
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LordTareq✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »OP is simply wrong and has not played many MMOs. Off the top of my head I can name worst stable MMOs that pretty much deleted classes to uselessness for profit and P2W.
- Black Desert Online
- Blade and Soul
- Blessed Online
- Revelation Online
- Skyforge
I could keep on going but you get the drift.
ESO is actually one of the most stable and better MMOs. That I have played in my 16 plus years of MMO experience, through many MMO titles. That is the truth!
There are only two that I can think of that are more stable than ESO. That's Guild Wars 2 and Eve Online.
Star Trek ((More Stable)
HAHAHAHA
I hope you are joking comparing that piece of lootbox infested chinese-owned cashgrab crap polished by a veneer layer of 'Star Trek' with ESO and calling it more stable. 
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me_ming✭✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »OP is simply wrong and has not played many MMOs. Off the top of my head I can name worst stable MMOs that pretty much deleted classes to uselessness for profit and P2W.
- Black Desert Online
- Blade and Soul
- Blessed Online
- Revelation Online
- Skyforge
I could keep on going but you get the drift.
ESO is actually one of the most stable and better MMOs. That I have played in my 16 plus years of MMO experience, through many MMO titles. That is the truth!
There are only two that I can think of that are more stable than ESO. That's Guild Wars 2 and Eve Online.
You forgot Archeage. Archeage had to add tech to its servers to be able to roll-back, because their first major addition was such a disaster. Archeage has had periods of times where you could not login for literal days, and spent your time checking on forums.
Lotsa worse games the ESO
I an currently playing bdo. I like it and they dont change powers and nerf every 3 months. My experience with mmos are vast. But you only need to play this one to know its unstable.
'mkay.
You can always play some other more "stable" game, if you want too. I did that sometime, when they nerfed my templar. then came back. Problem with people like you is you think you know what you're talking about. seriously, though your post is for LOLs. thanks Edited by me_ming on May 10, 2019 5:35PM"We're heroes, my boon companion, and heroes always win! Let that be a lesson to you."
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✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »OP is simply wrong and has not played many MMOs. Off the top of my head I can name worst stable MMOs that pretty much deleted classes to uselessness for profit and P2W.
- Black Desert Online
- Blade and Soul
- Blessed Online
- Revelation Online
- Skyforge
I could keep on going but you get the drift.
ESO is actually one of the most stable and better MMOs. That I have played in my 16 plus years of MMO experience, through many MMO titles. That is the truth!
There are only two that I can think of that are more stable than ESO. That's Guild Wars 2 and Eve Online.
Wild Star (More Stable)
EveSkyforge
Neverwinter (More Stable)
Guild Wars (More Stable)
Star Wars Old Rep (More Stable)
Star Trek ((More Stable)
Dcuo (More Stable)
City of Heros (More Stable)
Tera
Champion Online (More Stable)
Yeah...but I havent play any mmos...I played mmos before most of youre were even born.
I have played alot of mmos. Listen here zippy! BDO is a good game. Youre talking about bdo as if they deleted those classes recently. That was in the beginning stages. Not after 5 years like eso.
Even Dcuo which was and is a crappy game is more stable than ESO. Yourr builds are fine no matter when you come back.
Hell. If youre definition of stable is nerfing youre builds every 2 to 3 month, then have at it.
For sane people who make there own builds and spend hours and weeks creating effective new and unique builds, this game will waste that time. Some of you have time to waste. Good for you. Mine is valuable and I certainly am not going to pay someone to make my time a complete waste simply because devs want to give the illusion they are
"Balancing the Game"
Lmfao!
P.S. look a the list. You didnt think very hard.
dies from laughter.
wildstar. - shut down
neverwinter - is literally currently undergoing a gigantic shift with new expansion where classes were COMPLETELY redesigned, scaling is all sorts of messed up to the point where they are releasing patches every FEW DAYS to try and fix it up. and this is not first or second or third time this happen - it pretty much happens every. major. Neverwinter. patch.
SWTOR - underwent as many if not more class redesigns than ESO in LESS TIME
GW - which one, first or second? first is stable cause its practically a single player game, second - oh lordie. they have delayed content patches to fix gameplay issues.
City of heroes - shut down
Star Trek - same issues as Neverwinter.
and those are just games that I can speak of from personal experience oh and unlike ESO? all but GW2 - make you relevel and RE-GEAR FROM SCRATCH every damn major content release.
dude. what in a world are you smoking? cause that's some powerful stuff
@SkerKro flavor of the month, I keep mixing up my flashes and flavors, especially since some of those really are like a flash in a pan. god, i remember most of the ones you brought up. I also remember when for a while, they buffed the crap out of my BM hunter for a bit, and then nerfed it so hard that a whole bunch of us just stood in front of the target dummies after trying "new and improved" hunter - shellshocked. and I stand corrected about the source!
but anyways, yeah, the irony here is that horizontal progression is WHY this game is far more stable than most on the list.
because unless i'm trying to be in a top 1% or something, i can come back years down the road and still play with the same build and gear. pick up where i left off. its actualy part of the reason i'm on current hiatus from Neverwinter - current expansions did a number of several classes i like to play, and its not that i cannot adjust to changes, its that like the last few times I came back to, and left again Neverwinter? those changes are just not fun, so i'm waiting until, hopefully they come to their senses and make some adjustments.
Dies from laughter
You keep paying devs to keep nerfing youre builds and wasting youre time you cant buy back and you guys are ok with it.
A lot of youre responses were this or that shut down or being redisigned.
You make it seem like having a gsme redesign is a bad thing. Neverwinter was a great game on its worse day than ESO. Im glad they are redesigning it rather than changes class skills every 2 months.
And you do realize City of Heroes is still operting right?
You mean that private server? That's not "In Operation", that's someone "hopefully" building a server with their own written code. Not the same bud lol.
And now that you mention it, 13k crowns, ESO +, Elsweyr Collector's edition is definitely not enough, I should definitely buy some more stuff from ZOS tonight.
Lol. Its "Operation" enough for the people who who have been playing ot longer than ESO has been in "Operational"
But, youre right. COH is better.
Im glad you like ESO. Im not here to hate people that love it. Not going to get that from me. You enjoy that which you enjoy.
But, I am of the opinion the way the game is managed creates an unstable game.
The cat's out of the bag though, that "secret" CoH server is not secret anymore. And having played dozens upon dozens of MMO's since the early 2000's, ESO isn't any less unstable than majority of MMO's out there. I mean...Vanguard, AoC, Allods Online (what a *** show when it launched), Wild West Online, Archeage's US launch...I mean...are we going solely by the management itself? Wildstar, Matrix Online, Tabula Rasa, FireFall, and of course SWG's.
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Ogou✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Unstable = Constant Changes = Horizontal Progression
Its the equivalent of making us take 2 steps backwards, then 3 steps forward, so we feel like we're making progress, but the Devs don't have to work as hard to keep pace with new content.
But is it weird that now I'm curious when they nerfed crafting?
One Tamriel was a big boost for crafters because it made max level mats available everywhere instead of just DLC zones and Cyrodiil, and ZOS recently changed how writ rewards grant useful max level as well as lower tier mats.
I honestly don't recall a crafting nerf. Am I forgetting something?
I think you give Zos to much credit that they actually have an organized thought concerning their changes.
I cannot give them the same credit when they increased the effectiveness of the Templar Javelin knockback then completely removed the knockback less than a year later. I think they are still struggling to learn how to manage this game and that is giving them credit that they are learning something.
Hmmm. I could be off on intent. But, either way it creates inconsistency and makes for a very unstable environment for builds. I refuse to give them a single cent at this point.
My comment was not to the OP of the thread, but since you bring it up, we tend to use the term unstable as it relates to how smoothly the game runs. Though I do understand what you mean.
I have not been pleased with how this game has been run since it launched, including how Zos has lacked direction with the management of this game. There is really only one person responsible and that is MattF. I think he is out of his league and that leads to such inconsistencies.
In 2 of there expansions, devs have gutted a class and imprinted said skills onto a new class included for sale in new expansion.
Which class has been gutted and which of these skills have been transferred to the necro (which is what I'm assuming you're talking about)?
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭I haven’t played since week 3 of anniversary event started due to not being able to even login for an infinite load screen. I did manage to get on once but FPS were so low it gave me a migraine. But with someone playing for 4 or 5 years and a class they play or even a class skill they use gets made useless I don’t think they come here just to complain. If that one skill was so unbalanced it wouldn’t have taken 5 years to fix it.
I agree. The ridiculousness of the way this game is managed is unpalatable. I cant believe people are willing to pay to be treated like this.
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✭FleetwoodSmack wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »strom arena, nerf event drops, nerf transmutation drops, nerf race against time, nerf draining shot, nerf nightblade, nerf sorc, nerf dragonknight, nerf major evasion, nerf sub assault, nerf wings, nerf ravager, nerf blocking, nerf dodge rolling, nerf cloak, nerf mist form, nerf enchants, nerf spin to win, nerf argonians, nerf orcs, nerf snipe, nerf master's staff, nerf healing, nerf solar flare, nerf necromancer, nerf dot ticks, nerf crafting...did I miss anything? These forums are filled with whiny entitled players who don't want challenging game play they want to beat everybody and all content with the least amount of skill possible. So the question is when will we stop trying to nerf everything before the game becomes an echo of itself?
I could actually list all the nerfs and nerf overs throughout the history of this game. But, I would rather someone else do it.
I took this from another post to demonstrate how tiree a lot of us have become of manufacturee instability in this game just so devs can fee like you have done something innovative with the game.
If anyone wants to add other nerfs that devs have riddled the game with. Pls be my guest and list them. Some have been nerfed, buffed, nerfed angain and buffed again.
Ridiculousness
I don't think it would be feasible to even try to list all the nerfs/adjustments.
It's a near constant stream of changes in totality to play.
Like... the game right now is so vastly different from it's original release.
I guess you can't claim that the devs are inactive though... it's actually been a bit too much and too heavy handed.
Devs have been active in giving non innovative changes. Just moving the same old same old around. And then you have people who ask for stuff free stuff who should be asking the devs for actual real new content and real advances in game.
Should not pay them to create mechanisms designed at wasting members time.
You can apply here you know;
https://jobs.zenimax.com/locations/view/7
Get in there and make that content! Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!2
