Lab3360 wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

OP is simply wrong and has not played many MMOs. Off the top of my head I can name worst stable MMOs that pretty much deleted classes to uselessness for profit and P2W.

- Black Desert Online
- Blade and Soul
- Blessed Online
- Revelation Online
- Skyforge

I could keep on going but you get the drift.

ESO is actually one of the most stable and better MMOs. That I have played in my 16 plus years of MMO experience, through many MMO titles. That is the truth!

There are only two that I can think of that are more stable than ESO. That's Guild Wars 2 and Eve Online.

Wild Star (More Stable)
EveSkyforge
Neverwinter (More Stable)
Guild Wars (More Stable)
Star Wars Old Rep (More Stable)
Star Trek ((More Stable)
Dcuo (More Stable)
City of Heros (More Stable)
Tera
Champion Online (More Stable)

Yeah...but I havent play any mmos...I played mmos before most of youre were even born.

I have played alot of mmos. Listen here zippy! BDO is a good game. Youre talking about bdo as if they deleted those classes recently. That was in the beginning stages. Not after 5 years like eso.

Even Dcuo which was and is a crappy game is more stable than ESO. Yourr builds are fine no matter when you come back.

Hell. If youre definition of stable is nerfing youre builds every 2 to 3 month, then have at it.

For sane people who make there own builds and spend hours and weeks creating effective new and unique builds, this game will waste that time. Some of you have time to waste. Good for you. Mine is valuable and I certainly am not going to pay someone to make my time a complete waste simply because devs want to give the illusion they are

"Balancing the Game"

Lmfao!

P.S. look a the list. You didnt think very hard.

dies from laughter.

wildstar. - shut down
neverwinter - is literally currently undergoing a gigantic shift with new expansion where classes were COMPLETELY redesigned, scaling is all sorts of messed up to the point where they are releasing patches every FEW DAYS to try and fix it up. and this is not first or second or third time this happen - it pretty much happens every. major. Neverwinter. patch.
SWTOR - underwent as many if not more class redesigns than ESO in LESS TIME
GW - which one, first or second? first is stable cause its practically a single player game, second - oh lordie. they have delayed content patches to fix gameplay issues.
City of heroes - shut down
Star Trek - same issues as Neverwinter.

and those are just games that I can speak of from personal experience oh and unlike ESO? all but GW2 - make you relevel and RE-GEAR FROM SCRATCH every damn major content release.

dude. what in a world are you smoking? cause that's some powerful stuff

@SkerKro flavor of the month, I keep mixing up my flashes and flavors, especially since some of those really are like a flash in a pan. god, i remember most of the ones you brought up. I also remember when for a while, they buffed the crap out of my BM hunter for a bit, and then nerfed it so hard that a whole bunch of us just stood in front of the target dummies after trying "new and improved" hunter - shellshocked. and I stand corrected about the source!

but anyways, yeah, the irony here is that horizontal progression is WHY this game is far more stable than most on the list.

because unless i'm trying to be in a top 1% or something, i can come back years down the road and still play with the same build and gear. pick up where i left off. its actualy part of the reason i'm on current hiatus from Neverwinter - current expansions did a number of several classes i like to play, and its not that i cannot adjust to changes, its that like the last few times I came back to, and left again Neverwinter? those changes are just not fun, so i'm waiting until, hopefully they come to their senses and make some adjustments.

So... basically the same as an MMO ever.

To me, it's just the life of an MMO. Everyone I have ever played the story has always been the same.

Lab3360 wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

OP is simply wrong and has not played many MMOs. Off the top of my head I can name worst stable MMOs that pretty much deleted classes to uselessness for profit and P2W.

- Black Desert Online
- Blade and Soul
- Blessed Online
- Revelation Online
- Skyforge

I could keep on going but you get the drift.

ESO is actually one of the most stable and better MMOs. That I have played in my 16 plus years of MMO experience, through many MMO titles. That is the truth!

There are only two that I can think of that are more stable than ESO. That's Guild Wars 2 and Eve Online.

Wild Star (More Stable)
EveSkyforge
Neverwinter (More Stable)
Guild Wars (More Stable)
Star Wars Old Rep (More Stable)
Star Trek ((More Stable)
Dcuo (More Stable)
City of Heros (More Stable)
Tera
Champion Online (More Stable)

Yeah...but I havent play any mmos...I played mmos before most of youre were even born.

I have played alot of mmos. Listen here zippy! BDO is a good game. Youre talking about bdo as if they deleted those classes recently. That was in the beginning stages. Not after 5 years like eso.

Even Dcuo which was and is a crappy game is more stable than ESO. Yourr builds are fine no matter when you come back.

Hell. If youre definition of stable is nerfing youre builds every 2 to 3 month, then have at it.

For sane people who make there own builds and spend hours and weeks creating effective new and unique builds, this game will waste that time. Some of you have time to waste. Good for you. Mine is valuable and I certainly am not going to pay someone to make my time a complete waste simply because devs want to give the illusion they are

"Balancing the Game"

Lmfao!

P.S. look a the list. You didnt think very hard.

dies from laughter.

wildstar. - shut down
neverwinter - is literally currently undergoing a gigantic shift with new expansion where classes were COMPLETELY redesigned, scaling is all sorts of messed up to the point where they are releasing patches every FEW DAYS to try and fix it up. and this is not first or second or third time this happen - it pretty much happens every. major. Neverwinter. patch.
SWTOR - underwent as many if not more class redesigns than ESO in LESS TIME
GW - which one, first or second? first is stable cause its practically a single player game, second - oh lordie. they have delayed content patches to fix gameplay issues.
City of heroes - shut down
Star Trek - same issues as Neverwinter.

and those are just games that I can speak of from personal experience oh and unlike ESO? all but GW2 - make you relevel and RE-GEAR FROM SCRATCH every damn major content release.

dude. what in a world are you smoking? cause that's some powerful stuff

@SkerKro flavor of the month, I keep mixing up my flashes and flavors, especially since some of those really are like a flash in a pan. god, i remember most of the ones you brought up. I also remember when for a while, they buffed the crap out of my BM hunter for a bit, and then nerfed it so hard that a whole bunch of us just stood in front of the target dummies after trying "new and improved" hunter - shellshocked. and I stand corrected about the source!

but anyways, yeah, the irony here is that horizontal progression is WHY this game is far more stable than most on the list.

because unless i'm trying to be in a top 1% or something, i can come back years down the road and still play with the same build and gear. pick up where i left off. its actualy part of the reason i'm on current hiatus from Neverwinter - current expansions did a number of several classes i like to play, and its not that i cannot adjust to changes, its that like the last few times I came back to, and left again Neverwinter? those changes are just not fun, so i'm waiting until, hopefully they come to their senses and make some adjustments.

Dies from laughter

You keep paying devs to keep nerfing youre builds and wasting youre time you cant buy back and you guys are ok with it.

A lot of youre responses were this or that shut down or being redisigned.
You make it seem like having a gsme redesign is a bad thing. Neverwinter was a great game on its worse day than ESO. Im glad they are redesigning it rather than changes class skills every 2 months.

And you do realize City of Heroes is still operting right?

as already been mentioned - private servers do not count.

so.... when was the last time you played Neverwinter? have you actualy TRIED Undermountain? what you are quite litteraly saying here is that its ok when other games do it, but not ok when ESO does it. you know that whole gameplay adjustment thing.

its absolutely hilarious.

P.S. i don't feel like I wasted time in ESO becasue I do not play 1% builds. meanwhile in Neverwinter? my super basic solo build feels like crap. ALL my builds feel like crap. but what do I know, i only speak from actual personal experience.

Linaleah wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

OP is simply wrong and has not played many MMOs. Off the top of my head I can name worst stable MMOs that pretty much deleted classes to uselessness for profit and P2W.

- Black Desert Online
- Blade and Soul
- Blessed Online
- Revelation Online
- Skyforge

I could keep on going but you get the drift.

ESO is actually one of the most stable and better MMOs. That I have played in my 16 plus years of MMO experience, through many MMO titles. That is the truth!

There are only two that I can think of that are more stable than ESO. That's Guild Wars 2 and Eve Online.

Wild Star (More Stable)
EveSkyforge
Neverwinter (More Stable)
Guild Wars (More Stable)
Star Wars Old Rep (More Stable)
Star Trek ((More Stable)
Dcuo (More Stable)
City of Heros (More Stable)
Tera
Champion Online (More Stable)

Yeah...but I havent play any mmos...I played mmos before most of youre were even born.

I have played alot of mmos. Listen here zippy! BDO is a good game. Youre talking about bdo as if they deleted those classes recently. That was in the beginning stages. Not after 5 years like eso.

Even Dcuo which was and is a crappy game is more stable than ESO. Yourr builds are fine no matter when you come back.

Hell. If youre definition of stable is nerfing youre builds every 2 to 3 month, then have at it.

For sane people who make there own builds and spend hours and weeks creating effective new and unique builds, this game will waste that time. Some of you have time to waste. Good for you. Mine is valuable and I certainly am not going to pay someone to make my time a complete waste simply because devs want to give the illusion they are

"Balancing the Game"

Lmfao!

P.S. look a the list. You didnt think very hard.

dies from laughter.

wildstar. - shut down
neverwinter - is literally currently undergoing a gigantic shift with new expansion where classes were COMPLETELY redesigned, scaling is all sorts of messed up to the point where they are releasing patches every FEW DAYS to try and fix it up. and this is not first or second or third time this happen - it pretty much happens every. major. Neverwinter. patch.
SWTOR - underwent as many if not more class redesigns than ESO in LESS TIME
GW - which one, first or second? first is stable cause its practically a single player game, second - oh lordie. they have delayed content patches to fix gameplay issues.
City of heroes - shut down
Star Trek - same issues as Neverwinter.

and those are just games that I can speak of from personal experience oh and unlike ESO? all but GW2 - make you relevel and RE-GEAR FROM SCRATCH every damn major content release.

dude. what in a world are you smoking? cause that's some powerful stuff

@SkerKro flavor of the month, I keep mixing up my flashes and flavors, especially since some of those really are like a flash in a pan. god, i remember most of the ones you brought up. I also remember when for a while, they buffed the crap out of my BM hunter for a bit, and then nerfed it so hard that a whole bunch of us just stood in front of the target dummies after trying "new and improved" hunter - shellshocked. and I stand corrected about the source!

but anyways, yeah, the irony here is that horizontal progression is WHY this game is far more stable than most on the list.

because unless i'm trying to be in a top 1% or something, i can come back years down the road and still play with the same build and gear. pick up where i left off. its actualy part of the reason i'm on current hiatus from Neverwinter - current expansions did a number of several classes i like to play, and its not that i cannot adjust to changes, its that like the last few times I came back to, and left again Neverwinter? those changes are just not fun, so i'm waiting until, hopefully they come to their senses and make some adjustments.

I think you and me play two different gw2, my guild wars 2 doesnt have to re gear from stratch, a ALOT more stable, only two expansions yet 5 times the content of eso. Raids are more stable. More group content, more story content. Yeah crafting is a lottle hard but eso is window licking easy.
Communities, there are massive gaps in the community, wheres the sea communities? The oce communities? I dont mean the little clické groups, actual tangible populations? Nope zos killed them off by poor service and bad ping.
Eso one class meta per patch vsing gw2s 8 class meta?

Now lets get into the main thing wvw/cyrodiil... Wow big difference there, as wvw is a proper competition set up, actually populated whereas eso cyrodiil is a 5 year old lunchbox forgotten about under someones bed. Ping is stable (200ms for a aussie, without the use of a 3rd party subscription to a vpn... Can any aussie here get that in cyrodiil with more than 50 people on screen?... Didnt think so).

Dont get me wrong, im a elder scrolls fanboy aswell but the mmo is a far shot from what the single player games are. With every patch turning it into a outdate, badly code abomination of the elder scrolls series.

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

OP is simply wrong and has not played many MMOs. Off the top of my head I can name worst stable MMOs that pretty much deleted classes to uselessness for profit and P2W.

- Black Desert Online
- Blade and Soul
- Blessed Online
- Revelation Online
- Skyforge

I could keep on going but you get the drift.

ESO is actually one of the most stable and better MMOs. That I have played in my 16 plus years of MMO experience, through many MMO titles. That is the truth!

There are only two that I can think of that are more stable than ESO. That's Guild Wars 2 and Eve Online.

Wild Star (More Stable)
EveSkyforge
Neverwinter (More Stable)
Guild Wars (More Stable)
Star Wars Old Rep (More Stable)
Star Trek ((More Stable)
Dcuo (More Stable)
City of Heros (More Stable)
Tera
Champion Online (More Stable)

Yeah...but I havent play any mmos...I played mmos before most of youre were even born.

I have played alot of mmos. Listen here zippy! BDO is a good game. Youre talking about bdo as if they deleted those classes recently. That was in the beginning stages. Not after 5 years like eso.

Even Dcuo which was and is a crappy game is more stable than ESO. Yourr builds are fine no matter when you come back.

Hell. If youre definition of stable is nerfing youre builds every 2 to 3 month, then have at it.

For sane people who make there own builds and spend hours and weeks creating effective new and unique builds, this game will waste that time. Some of you have time to waste. Good for you. Mine is valuable and I certainly am not going to pay someone to make my time a complete waste simply because devs want to give the illusion they are

"Balancing the Game"

Lmfao!

P.S. look a the list. You didnt think very hard.

dies from laughter.

wildstar. - shut down
neverwinter - is literally currently undergoing a gigantic shift with new expansion where classes were COMPLETELY redesigned, scaling is all sorts of messed up to the point where they are releasing patches every FEW DAYS to try and fix it up. and this is not first or second or third time this happen - it pretty much happens every. major. Neverwinter. patch.
SWTOR - underwent as many if not more class redesigns than ESO in LESS TIME
GW - which one, first or second? first is stable cause its practically a single player game, second - oh lordie. they have delayed content patches to fix gameplay issues.
City of heroes - shut down
Star Trek - same issues as Neverwinter.

and those are just games that I can speak of from personal experience oh and unlike ESO? all but GW2 - make you relevel and RE-GEAR FROM SCRATCH every damn major content release.

dude. what in a world are you smoking? cause that's some powerful stuff

@SkerKro flavor of the month, I keep mixing up my flashes and flavors, especially since some of those really are like a flash in a pan. god, i remember most of the ones you brought up. I also remember when for a while, they buffed the crap out of my BM hunter for a bit, and then nerfed it so hard that a whole bunch of us just stood in front of the target dummies after trying "new and improved" hunter - shellshocked. and I stand corrected about the source!

but anyways, yeah, the irony here is that horizontal progression is WHY this game is far more stable than most on the list.

because unless i'm trying to be in a top 1% or something, i can come back years down the road and still play with the same build and gear. pick up where i left off. its actualy part of the reason i'm on current hiatus from Neverwinter - current expansions did a number of several classes i like to play, and its not that i cannot adjust to changes, its that like the last few times I came back to, and left again Neverwinter? those changes are just not fun, so i'm waiting until, hopefully they come to their senses and make some adjustments.

I think you and me play two different gw2, my guild wars 2 doesnt have to re gear from stratch, a ALOT more stable, only two expansions yet 5 times the content of eso. Raids are more stable. More group content, more story content. Yeah crafting is a lottle hard but eso is window licking easy.
Communities, there are massive gaps in the community, wheres the sea communities? The oce communities? I dont mean the little clické groups, actual tangible populations? Nope zos killed them off by poor service and bad ping.
Eso one class meta per patch vsing gw2s 8 class meta?

Now lets get into the main thing wvw/cyrodiil... Wow big difference there, as wvw is a proper competition set up, actually populated whereas eso cyrodiil is a 5 year old lunchbox forgotten about under someones bed. Ping is stable (200ms for a aussie, without the use of a 3rd party subscription to a vpn... Can any aussie here get that in cyrodiil with more than 50 people on screen?... Didnt think so).

Dont get me wrong, im a elder scrolls fanboy aswell but the mmo is a far shot from what the single player games are. With every patch turning it into a outdate, badly code abomination of the elder scrolls series.

I actualy specificaly said (other then GW2) its one of the very few games on the market that like ESO doesn't force you to start over every expansion. its why I said MOST of the games on that list, because the rest of them? raise level cap, unlike GW2 which functions very similarly to ESO when it comes to gear and mastery points/champion points in ESO.

everything else... is... honestly? somewhat subjective. because GW2 made multiple changes to classes, to game focus, to all kinds of things. are we talking general server stability? yeah, GW2 probably has more stable servers. but OP is talking about changes. nerfs. and from my experience with GW2? those come a plenty as well.

...why would you even expect an MMO to be "stable"? (btw, terrible word choice - it sounds like you're talking about the servers not staying up)

Constant change is what MMOs are about.

Lab3360 wrote: »

Star Wars Old Rep (More Stable)

HA HA HA HA HA!!

Weeeeeee!!!!!!!

SWTOR is a great example of a developer given such HUGE hopes, only to see them crushed like Conan on the battlefield, or the Death Star above Alderaan.

SWTOR. Stable. BWAHAHAHA!

Lab3360 wrote: »

strom arena, nerf event drops, nerf transmutation drops, nerf race against time, nerf draining shot, nerf nightblade, nerf sorc, nerf dragonknight, nerf major evasion, nerf sub assault, nerf wings, nerf ravager, nerf blocking, nerf dodge rolling, nerf cloak, nerf mist form, nerf enchants, nerf spin to win, nerf argonians, nerf orcs, nerf snipe, nerf master's staff, nerf healing, nerf solar flare, nerf necromancer, nerf dot ticks, nerf crafting...did I miss anything? These forums are filled with whiny entitled players who don't want challenging game play they want to beat everybody and all content with the least amount of skill possible. So the question is when will we stop trying to nerf everything before the game becomes an echo of itself?

I could actually list all the nerfs and nerf overs throughout the history of this game. But, I would rather someone else do it.

I took this from another post to demonstrate how tiree a lot of us have become of manufacturee instability in this game just so devs can fee like you have done something innovative with the game.

If anyone wants to add other nerfs that devs have riddled the game with. Pls be my guest and list them. Some have been nerfed, buffed, nerfed angain and buffed again.

Ridiculousness

I don't think it would be feasible to even try to list all the nerfs/adjustments.

It's a near constant stream of changes in totality to play.

Like... the game right now is so vastly different from it's original release.

I guess you can't claim that the devs are inactive though... it's actually been a bit too much and too heavy handed.

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

OP is simply wrong and has not played many MMOs. Off the top of my head I can name worst stable MMOs that pretty much deleted classes to uselessness for profit and P2W.

- Black Desert Online
- Blade and Soul
- Blessed Online
- Revelation Online
- Skyforge

I could keep on going but you get the drift.

ESO is actually one of the most stable and better MMOs. That I have played in my 16 plus years of MMO experience, through many MMO titles. That is the truth!

There are only two that I can think of that are more stable than ESO. That's Guild Wars 2 and Eve Online.

I'm gonna second this. Played every single one of those. Especially when it comes to Blade and Soul. NCSoft threw that game under the bus. I still play casually, but me and two friends pretty much abandoned it after one free weekend of ESO on steam made us realize there was so much more to do in this game than in most games out there.