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Should pledge giver ask for dps test?
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Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
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It's all about teamwork. When I have to kill both ogres at vSCP while you're trying to figure out your magicka-archer build you can prepare yourself for a kick. Do your job or get out.
If you are doing 90% of the damage in a vet dungeon, why not just carry your group?Facefister wrote: »I've reached a point where I don't care anymore: When CMX tells me that I am 80%~90% single-target DPS there will be a votekick. Getting real tired about all these mind gymnastics. Stay on normal if you're a "casual".
I mean, you are already practically soloing the dungeon, so why does it bother you that you have spectators?
You should be proudly showing off your skills instead of giving yourself a hemorrhage while rage-kicking the "casuals" ...
PS: +1 awesome for picking a forum name that fits your personality!
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Uhm...
DPS isn't the end all and be all of actually completing anything in ESO.
I've done World Bosses at 5K DPS and I've done them at 25K DPS.
All things being equal, it is far more a matter of technique, mechanics and your group makeup.
DPS is nice, yes, but it's not the only thing that matters.2 -
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✭@Arunei but cp are increasing your many different damage types yes?
and as I wrote 10k dps is easily to achieve by just LA spam which need literally no skill and to this no resource management, add to this even random damage skills and dps should be 10k+ without problem without any skill so?0 -
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You won't get better by getting carried by other players over and over. You get better by practicing your rotation on a dummy and finding proper gear for your role.SteampunkWerewolf wrote: »Ok, but how can anyone ever get better if they can’t even get into a dungeon? What if I need to farm a certain one for armor I need to get a better build? Also, this game isn’t free, since dungeons are part of paid content then everyone who pays gets to do them.1 -
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Which dungeon requires 30-40k to clear? Even on vHM? I'm fairly certain being able to follow mechanics and know when/where to focus your damage is a lot more important. I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything I'm actually curious because I'm pretty sure no dungeon actually needs that much DPS.MartiniDaniels wrote: »When I leave because of low group dps, I always write something like "Guys, nothing personal but your dps is too low for this dungeon. It's not your problem since game doesn't explain a heck how to produce those 30-40k required, try to check alcasthq.com for build/rotations"
I also don't get why people always tell others to use build guides without adding 'use it as a baseline but edit things so it fits your play style'. Just because a certain set works for one person, even a beginner set, doesn't meant other players are going to be able to make use of it. Yes, pointing people towards people like Alcast who do provide beginner sets is a good idea, it gives people something to check out if they want to, but it should ALWAYS be followed with the advice to change things as needed and to use the builds listed as a guideline, not as a be-all end-all thing they have to follow to the 't'.
30-40k at dummy imo is required for latest vet dlcs, to speed up some stupid RNG mechanics. I'm all in for doing mechanics, but fighting with RNG and with PUG.. no, thanks. Which particular dungeons? Fang lair, Scalecaller, Moonhunter, Frostvault. In my opinion they require dps spikes to do some stages more or less comfortably. If group are friends running with voice and want to do all mechanics, then 25k will do too I guess. Though 25k still require at least ok gear and some understanding of how damage is dealt in ESO.
About Alcast's builds.. I expect everyone has theirs head on the shoulders and will tweak if needed. But those builds work very well, and any changes from them are either swapping 1 or 2 skills for particular boss or personal preference. For example, i don't feel like slightly more damage from eleweapon doesn't offset lose of heal and ultigen from swallow soul so I almost always use swallow soul and swap it only for force pulse when interrupt is required.1 -
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If you are doing 90% of the damage in a vet dungeon, why not just carry your group?Facefister wrote: »I've reached a point where I don't care anymore: When CMX tells me that I am 80%~90% single-target DPS there will be a votekick. Getting real tired about all these mind gymnastics. Stay on normal if you're a "casual".
I mean, you are already practically soloing the dungeon, so why does it bother you that you have spectators?
You should be proudly showing off your skills instead of giving yourself a hemorrhage while rage-kicking the "casuals" ...
PS: +1 awesome for picking a forum name that fits your personality!
In vet content (dlc specifically), a certain amount of dmg needs to be done in order to progress. The longer it takes to kill a boss, the more punishing mechanics you see and the more difficult it is to sustain for the tank and the DDs. If only one person is doing all of the work, that means they're working way harder than they should be in order to carry their incapable teammates through, which is really messed up. That would be like being assigned to a group work project, doing 10% of the work while your other group mate does the rest, and then getting all of the kudos for the job being finished properly. Demanding that someone else do all of the work just so some clueless Magden who's solo ERPing as Legolas can get the achievement ticked off is pretty disgusting and entitled. It's even more disgusting that people don't expect someone to hold them to higher standards in this type of content and have the nerve to get angry or indignant when called out for not meeting those standards.
The worst part is, it does bad players ZERO good to be carried through harder content. None. They don't come through it thinking "man...that was humiliating to be putting out so little damage while that poor person did all of the work. I owe that person a thank you or maybe some soul gems". They end up thinking "wow! I did it! I'm super awesome! I'm good enough to be running vet dlc dungeons! I should run more of these, and I should tell all of my new player friends to adopt my super awesome unicorn build since it was so wildly successful".
No dude...just no.PC/Xbox NA
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If you are doing 90% of the damage in a vet dungeon, why not just carry your group?Facefister wrote: »I've reached a point where I don't care anymore: When CMX tells me that I am 80%~90% single-target DPS there will be a votekick. Getting real tired about all these mind gymnastics. Stay on normal if you're a "casual".
I mean, you are already practically soloing the dungeon, so why does it bother you that you have spectators?
You should be proudly showing off your skills instead of giving yourself a hemorrhage while rage-kicking the "casuals" ...
PS: +1 awesome for picking a forum name that fits your personality!
In vet content (dlc specifically), a certain amount of dmg needs to be done in order to progress.
Not really. Most vet boss fights it is more about mechanics. It is actually rare a fight requires a certain level of dps. Without that requirement, to a large degree, the dps check is without basis.
For those who want a group with higher dps, which is what this is really about based on OP's comments, Zos allows them to form their own group and it works fabulously. It is very simple to do.
Edited by idk on May 6, 2019 8:28PM2 -
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✭russelmmendoza wrote: »russelmmendoza wrote: »Parrot1986 wrote: »There shouldn’t be any test for any of them....
It’s content in a game not an exam. The pledge itself is the “test” I.e can you do it or not
To me pledge are more like a challenge.
Now to make sure your up to par with said challenge they require for a simple dps parse.
They are just a quest to do a dungeon. Nothing more than that.
The dungeon has a level of challenge and yes, for some that challenge is real. Zos set the standards for each dungeon already.
It does not make sense to have one standard to enter a dungeon via GF and another standard for just picking up a quest for said dungeon. No other quest in the game has a dps check to pick up the quest and you have failed to justify why pledges should be different.
Thats why they should ask for a dps parse.
You get 10k to 20k dps your cleared for normal, thats what youll get when queue for a normal random. You get 20k to 30k and your cleared for veteran random. They wont let you queue for a random vet if you didnt get that 20-30k dps.
Tell me there are no cp160 guy that can only do less than 20k dps queuing for coa2, imagine them getting a dlc dungeon.
If you can't carry 10-20K dps in normal than maybe you should start hitting that dummy...just saying...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Mr no one. Can you provide a video with your dps in VET pledges (random grp ) from forming to the end. So we can see your dps. Because im sure you hardly hit 30k on boss. More than sure. Big talks.Thats all you can do. And as sm1 esle say before me " make your own grp" problem solved.Facefister wrote: »I've reached a point where I don't care anymore: When CMX tells me that I am 80%~90% single-target DPS there will be a votekick. Getting real tired about all these mind gymnastics. Stay on normal if you're a "casual".
So many trash talkers...
PS so you think vet dungeons are not for casuals ? I do speed runs too, and stil consider myself casual player.
A little secret - runing vets dont make you special :P
LOL. I remember leveling up a stamplar a few years ago. While in the mid 40s (and CP capped) I queued up for a normal dungeon.
I guess it was the tank kicked the other dps, who was leveling as well, because he did not have a dps meter. That player turned to me and said this is not intended for leveling and kicked me.
We had not zoned in yet. This was just an idiot scrub. I took note of their @name and checked in both of my raiding guilds, and a more social guild and none knew the person. Was not on leaderboards either. Just a scrub who acted like an idiot. LMAO3 -
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✭russelmmendoza wrote: »Those 3 undaunted guys giving pledges should ask for you to do a dps test before giving you the actual pledge. They would only give you pledge if you reach their desired dps parse.
So what would the test be for tank and healer?
I guess they will have to require a vDSA run with Gilrion, Maj al-Ragath and Urgalarg Chief-bane DPS'ing for you...0 -
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✭✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »
It's all about teamwork. When I have to kill both ogres at vSCP while you're trying to figure out your magicka-archer build you can prepare yourself for a kick. Do your job or get out.
If you are doing 90% of the damage in a vet dungeon, why not just carry your group?Facefister wrote: »I've reached a point where I don't care anymore: When CMX tells me that I am 80%~90% single-target DPS there will be a votekick. Getting real tired about all these mind gymnastics. Stay on normal if you're a "casual".
I mean, you are already practically soloing the dungeon, so why does it bother you that you have spectators?
You should be proudly showing off your skills instead of giving yourself a hemorrhage while rage-kicking the "casuals" ...
PS: +1 awesome for picking a forum name that fits your personality!
With your friendly, helpful attitude it's a wonder you have to pug at all. /s
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✭✭✭✭✭Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »OP, the problem is that you are thinking of benchmark DPS.
Even if ZOS thought this was a good idea, they would probably go with baseline DPS and the check would be 3k for normal dungeons and 10k for vet.Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »2) Some dungeons are vastly more difficult than others. A new player may get vFG1 and think they can do anything. I have been advocating a re-balancing of ALL dungeons to be in-line with each other for about a year now, but it's mostly fallen on deaf ears. I've heard rumors that they'll be taking another look at DLC dungeons, so we'll have to see.
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If you want to fix dungeons and PvE as a whole in this game, ZOS needs to
B ) Rebalance ALL dungeons to create a standard - you know, like every other MMO on the market
I disagree. The dungeons are scaled nicely from FG1 to CoA II and the DLCs so that a player can start with simple mechanics and move up the difficulty ladder. If you make all dungeons the same level of difficulty, then there will be no learning path. They'll either have to be ridiculously easy so new players can do them, which will discourage vets from running them, or they have to be challenging enough for vets, which means new players will never try them.
They are fine as they are. If people are not paying attention to the order in which they unlock as you level, maybe ZOS can make this clearer, but I think the difficulty scale is important to keep.
The problem here is that they're all thrown together in one pool, one queue. There's no such thing as PvE ELO, the game just throws you into whatever it feels like. What SHOULD be done is that all normals should be relatively easy to clear (for new / leveling players)), and all vets should be reasonably difficult, but not unpuggable. I reject the idea of ladders, give me 3 standard difficulties any day of the week (with the third being vet HM).
That is the gold standard any MMO should aim for. That way, endgame players aren't sacrificing pixelated goats to RNGesus for vFG1 instead of vSCP. Can you imagine an ESO where it doesn't actually matter which vet dungeon you get because they're all of comparable difficulty? That's the ESO I want to play.
Well, the problem here is that you are talking about the random dungeon finder.
When you are leveling, you are limited to what dungeons you can join. All normal dungeons can be cleared at level 45.
I personally prefer learning curves were I can gradually increase difficulty rather than bang my head repeatedly against a wall in a vet dungeon because there is no curve.
I don't think this is a problem that ZOS can solve without alienating more people than it will encourage. Because you are talking about the random dungeon finder, and those queues are for filling in groups that queued for a specific dungeon. So if someone was told that they need Zaan for their build, they will queue for vSC and not for vFG1. Same if they need the achievement for completing that dungeon or want the furnishing.
If you really just want your XP boost for the day, you can always queue for normal. The rewards are exactly the same.
When I do a random dungeon on my healers or tank, I take what I get. It's the deal.
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✭Nah. I’ve had some of the funniest moments in Gf groups for dungeons... I’ll rarely vet random queue cuz that’s aids but some of those normal pug groups are always an adventure.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Maybe there should be a DPS test to see if you are "allowed" to purchase the game?
So freaking what if it takes a little longer to finish content with lower DPS.
If you are in such a hurry maybe you should not be using GF.
Guess what after they finish a few times with lower DPS they will get better.3 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Why so many people are so concerned about dps tests for PUGs etc? If you are queuing on tank/healer you can always leave group if dps is too low at first boss, and if you queue on dps, if other (second) dps is bad, you may rock and carry and explain mechanics, so in the end all group will be in the very positive mood?
Fake tanks are an issue because they f**k up 30+ minutes waiting in queue for 2 deeps, but "fake dps" receive such negative feedback when group stuck at dps checks, so I doubt they will attempt same dungeon until they improve their build/rotation.
When I leave because of low group dps, I always write something like "Guys, nothing personal but your dps is too low for this dungeon. It's not your problem since game doesn't explain a heck how to produce those 30-40k required, try to check alcasthq.com for build/rotations"
Why should the tank and healer who pull their own weight suck up with damage dealers who don't? Tank is the role in demand the most, there are a crap load of dd from que. If anything it should be the dd make room for capable players and let the tank and healer finish the dungeon easily, so more player will choose to play a tank.3 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Mr no one. Can you provide a video with your dps in VET pledges (random grp ) from forming to the end. So we can see your dps. Because im sure you hardly hit 30k on boss. More than sure. Big talks.Thats all you can do. And as sm1 esle say before me " make your own grp" problem solved.Facefister wrote: »I've reached a point where I don't care anymore: When CMX tells me that I am 80%~90% single-target DPS there will be a votekick. Getting real tired about all these mind gymnastics. Stay on normal if you're a "casual".
So many trash talkers...
PS so you think vet dungeons are not for casuals ? I do speed runs too, and stil consider myself casual player.
A little secret - runing vets dont make you special :P
LOL. I remember leveling up a stamplar a few years ago. While in the mid 40s (and CP capped) I queued up for a normal dungeon.
I guess it was the tank kicked the other dps, who was leveling as well, because he did not have a dps meter. That player turned to me and said this is not intended for leveling and kicked me.
We had not zoned in yet. This was just an idiot scrub. I took note of their @name and checked in both of my raiding guilds, and a more social guild and none knew the person. Was not on leaderboards either. Just a scrub who acted like an idiot. LMAO
Leader boards are char based not account based, guy can be actually good but play a different role/char with you.
A certain toon not on leaderboard means nothing.
Your cap cp also do not imply whether you are decent or not.
Just because your raiding guilds don't know the guy doesn't mean the guy don't run end game trials.
Your 'evidence' is full of loopholes.0 -
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✭LeagueTroll wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Mr no one. Can you provide a video with your dps in VET pledges (random grp ) from forming to the end. So we can see your dps. Because im sure you hardly hit 30k on boss. More than sure. Big talks.Thats all you can do. And as sm1 esle say before me " make your own grp" problem solved.Facefister wrote: »I've reached a point where I don't care anymore: When CMX tells me that I am 80%~90% single-target DPS there will be a votekick. Getting real tired about all these mind gymnastics. Stay on normal if you're a "casual".
So many trash talkers...
PS so you think vet dungeons are not for casuals ? I do speed runs too, and stil consider myself casual player.
A little secret - runing vets dont make you special :P
LOL. I remember leveling up a stamplar a few years ago. While in the mid 40s (and CP capped) I queued up for a normal dungeon.
I guess it was the tank kicked the other dps, who was leveling as well, because he did not have a dps meter. That player turned to me and said this is not intended for leveling and kicked me.
We had not zoned in yet. This was just an idiot scrub. I took note of their @name and checked in both of my raiding guilds, and a more social guild and none knew the person. Was not on leaderboards either. Just a scrub who acted like an idiot. LMAO
Leader boards are char based not account based, guy can be actually good but play a different role/char with you.
A certain toon not on leaderboard means nothing.
Your cap cp also do not imply whether you are decent or not.
Just because your raiding guilds don't know the guy doesn't mean the guy don't run end game trials.
Your 'evidence' is full of loopholes.
You can search for GT on leaderboards...0 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Mr no one. Can you provide a video with your dps in VET pledges (random grp ) from forming to the end. So we can see your dps. Because im sure you hardly hit 30k on boss. More than sure. Big talks.Thats all you can do. And as sm1 esle say before me " make your own grp" problem solved.Facefister wrote: »I've reached a point where I don't care anymore: When CMX tells me that I am 80%~90% single-target DPS there will be a votekick. Getting real tired about all these mind gymnastics. Stay on normal if you're a "casual".
So many trash talkers...
PS so you think vet dungeons are not for casuals ? I do speed runs too, and stil consider myself casual player.
A little secret - runing vets dont make you special :P
LOL. I remember leveling up a stamplar a few years ago. While in the mid 40s (and CP capped) I queued up for a normal dungeon.
I guess it was the tank kicked the other dps, who was leveling as well, because he did not have a dps meter. That player turned to me and said this is not intended for leveling and kicked me.
We had not zoned in yet. This was just an idiot scrub. I took note of their @name and checked in both of my raiding guilds, and a more social guild and none knew the person. Was not on leaderboards either. Just a scrub who acted like an idiot. LMAO
Leader boards are char based not account based, guy can be actually good but play a different role/char with you.
A certain toon not on leaderboard means nothing.
Your cap cp also do not imply whether you are decent or not.
Just because your raiding guilds don't know the guy doesn't mean the guy don't run end game trials.
Your 'evidence' is full of loopholes.
You can search for GT on leaderboards...
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✭✭✭I love this game, but if I had to DPS test to run a pledge, I might consider quitting. Absolutely ridiculous suggestion1 -
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✭✭I've had to teach players mechanics who parse higher than me on a dummy but still have issues getting through some vet non DLC's and some n/vet DLC's as well. I play with them regularly and they still ask me advice because I have far more experience dealing with variables and I end up performing as well, or better. I can carry players and teach them at the same time and I don't mind doing so. If you're serious about content and you can't find anyone in a guild or friends list you trust to run with you, find a better guild and find more friends. I'll take the new players off your hands, and train them. Im fine with it. I've been on PUG normals and progression trials where 1 player explained mechanics for all roles well and it went great We took one player in vAA and it was his first trial ever.0 -
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✭LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Mr no one. Can you provide a video with your dps in VET pledges (random grp ) from forming to the end. So we can see your dps. Because im sure you hardly hit 30k on boss. More than sure. Big talks.Thats all you can do. And as sm1 esle say before me " make your own grp" problem solved.Facefister wrote: »I've reached a point where I don't care anymore: When CMX tells me that I am 80%~90% single-target DPS there will be a votekick. Getting real tired about all these mind gymnastics. Stay on normal if you're a "casual".
So many trash talkers...
PS so you think vet dungeons are not for casuals ? I do speed runs too, and stil consider myself casual player.
A little secret - runing vets dont make you special :P
LOL. I remember leveling up a stamplar a few years ago. While in the mid 40s (and CP capped) I queued up for a normal dungeon.
I guess it was the tank kicked the other dps, who was leveling as well, because he did not have a dps meter. That player turned to me and said this is not intended for leveling and kicked me.
We had not zoned in yet. This was just an idiot scrub. I took note of their @name and checked in both of my raiding guilds, and a more social guild and none knew the person. Was not on leaderboards either. Just a scrub who acted like an idiot. LMAO
Leader boards are char based not account based, guy can be actually good but play a different role/char with you.
A certain toon not on leaderboard means nothing.
Your cap cp also do not imply whether you are decent or not.
Just because your raiding guilds don't know the guy doesn't mean the guy don't run end game trials.
Your 'evidence' is full of loopholes.
You can search for GT on leaderboards...
GT?
I think he means gamer tag
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LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Mr no one. Can you provide a video with your dps in VET pledges (random grp ) from forming to the end. So we can see your dps. Because im sure you hardly hit 30k on boss. More than sure. Big talks.Thats all you can do. And as sm1 esle say before me " make your own grp" problem solved.Facefister wrote: »I've reached a point where I don't care anymore: When CMX tells me that I am 80%~90% single-target DPS there will be a votekick. Getting real tired about all these mind gymnastics. Stay on normal if you're a "casual".
So many trash talkers...
PS so you think vet dungeons are not for casuals ? I do speed runs too, and stil consider myself casual player.
A little secret - runing vets dont make you special :P
LOL. I remember leveling up a stamplar a few years ago. While in the mid 40s (and CP capped) I queued up for a normal dungeon.
I guess it was the tank kicked the other dps, who was leveling as well, because he did not have a dps meter. That player turned to me and said this is not intended for leveling and kicked me.
We had not zoned in yet. This was just an idiot scrub. I took note of their @name and checked in both of my raiding guilds, and a more social guild and none knew the person. Was not on leaderboards either. Just a scrub who acted like an idiot. LMAO
Leader boards are char based not account based, guy can be actually good but play a different role/char with you.
A certain toon not on leaderboard means nothing.
Your cap cp also do not imply whether you are decent or not.
Just because your raiding guilds don't know the guy doesn't mean the guy don't run end game trials.
Your 'evidence' is full of loopholes.
You can search for GT on leaderboards...
GT?
I think he means gamer tag
xbox actually has that?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Why so many people are so concerned about dps tests for PUGs etc? If you are queuing on tank/healer you can always leave group if dps is too low at first boss, and if you queue on dps, if other (second) dps is bad, you may rock and carry and explain mechanics, so in the end all group will be in the very positive mood?
Fake tanks are an issue because they f**k up 30+ minutes waiting in queue for 2 deeps, but "fake dps" receive such negative feedback when group stuck at dps checks, so I doubt they will attempt same dungeon until they improve their build/rotation.
When I leave because of low group dps, I always write something like "Guys, nothing personal but your dps is too low for this dungeon. It's not your problem since game doesn't explain a heck how to produce those 30-40k required, try to check alcasthq.com for build/rotations"
Why should the tank and healer who pull their own weight suck up with damage dealers who don't? Tank is the role in demand the most, there are a crap load of dd from que. If anything it should be the dd make room for capable players and let the tank and healer finish the dungeon easily, so more player will choose to play a tank.
If you are not on dps, it's rather hard to guess who from 2 dps is bad. And in majority of cases one good dps is enough to have tolerable group dps in everything rather then vMHK and similar. Replacing 2 dps... that a whole sea of toxicity.. so I perceive PUGing on tank as a roulette, if you have a bad luck, just re-roll. Though if I'll see that dps are friendly and aware of low group dps and trying to improve I may sit with them for long, just to support their efforts (if I have time). Sometimes it pays off.0 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Why so many people are so concerned about dps tests for PUGs etc? If you are queuing on tank/healer you can always leave group if dps is too low at first boss, and if you queue on dps, if other (second) dps is bad, you may rock and carry and explain mechanics, so in the end all group will be in the very positive mood?
Fake tanks are an issue because they f**k up 30+ minutes waiting in queue for 2 deeps, but "fake dps" receive such negative feedback when group stuck at dps checks, so I doubt they will attempt same dungeon until they improve their build/rotation.
When I leave because of low group dps, I always write something like "Guys, nothing personal but your dps is too low for this dungeon. It's not your problem since game doesn't explain a heck how to produce those 30-40k required, try to check alcasthq.com for build/rotations"
Why should the tank and healer who pull their own weight suck up with damage dealers who don't? Tank is the role in demand the most, there are a crap load of dd from que. If anything it should be the dd make room for capable players and let the tank and healer finish the dungeon easily, so more player will choose to play a tank.
If you are not on dps, it's rather hard to guess who from 2 dps is bad. And in majority of cases one good dps is enough to have tolerable group dps in everything rather then vMHK and similar. Replacing 2 dps... that a whole sea of toxicity.. so I perceive PUGing on tank as a roulette, if you have a bad luck, just re-roll. Though if I'll see that dps are friendly and aware of low group dps and trying to improve I may sit with them for long, just to support their efforts (if I have time). Sometimes it pays off.
i generally just kick both.2 -
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✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Maybe there should be a DPS test to see if you are "allowed" to purchase the game?
So freaking what if it takes a little longer to finish content with lower DPS.
If you are in such a hurry maybe you should not be using GF.
Guess what after they finish a few times with lower DPS they will get better.
Not as much as you might think.PC/Xbox NA
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✭In another game I played, they had a test that you had to perform solo with each of your characters before they were allowed into veteran content. The test was a timed boss fight with adds - what you might expect in the veteran content. If you were able to pass the test then you were ready for the harder content.
I think something like that would be better than just doing a dps test on a dummy, and would prove that you were capable offensively and defensively to do the content.
It’s annoying as hell trying to improve myself before jumping into veteran content just to be matched with teammates who are clearly incapable of doing the content and are just looking for a carry...1 -
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I have a core team, but sometimes one of us isn't online when we run pledges and we queue in. Actually I am a nice guy but I am strict when it comes to teamwork.Facefister wrote: »
It's all about teamwork. When I have to kill both ogres at vSCP while you're trying to figure out your magicka-archer build you can prepare yourself for a kick. Do your job or get out.
If you are doing 90% of the damage in a vet dungeon, why not just carry your group?Facefister wrote: »I've reached a point where I don't care anymore: When CMX tells me that I am 80%~90% single-target DPS there will be a votekick. Getting real tired about all these mind gymnastics. Stay on normal if you're a "casual".
I mean, you are already practically soloing the dungeon, so why does it bother you that you have spectators?
You should be proudly showing off your skills instead of giving yourself a hemorrhage while rage-kicking the "casuals" ...
PS: +1 awesome for picking a forum name that fits your personality!
With your friendly, helpful attitude it's a wonder you have to pug at all. /sEdited by Facefister on May 6, 2019 10:54PM0 -
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✭✭Facefister wrote: »
I have a core team, but sometimes one of us isn't online when we run pledges and we queue in. Actually I am a nice guy but I am strict when it comes to teamwork.Facefister wrote: »
It's all about teamwork. When I have to kill both ogres at vSCP while you're trying to figure out your magicka-archer build you can prepare yourself for a kick. Do your job or get out.
If you are doing 90% of the damage in a vet dungeon, why not just carry your group?Facefister wrote: »I've reached a point where I don't care anymore: When CMX tells me that I am 80%~90% single-target DPS there will be a votekick. Getting real tired about all these mind gymnastics. Stay on normal if you're a "casual".
I mean, you are already practically soloing the dungeon, so why does it bother you that you have spectators?
You should be proudly showing off your skills instead of giving yourself a hemorrhage while rage-kicking the "casuals" ...
PS: +1 awesome for picking a forum name that fits your personality!
With your friendly, helpful attitude it's a wonder you have to pug at all. /s
It's a pug.. being nice when pugging means putting up with the occasional potato. If you can't do the potato, you're not nice. #news
And judgement being passed here, your replies here don't show a nice person. Sorry to break it to you, but you're not nice. Being selectively nice, means you're also a selective jerk. Keep that in mind.6
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