Should pledge giver ask for dps test?

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Those 3 undaunted guys giving pledges should ask for you to do a dps test before giving you the actual pledge. They would only give you pledge if you reach their desired dps parse.

So what would the test be for tank and healer?

Parrot1986 · May 2019

There shouldn’t be any test for any of them....

It’s content in a game not an exam. The pledge itself is the “test” I.e can you do it or not

AzraelKrieg · May 2019

No. Just no.

idk · May 2019

No. The simple solution if you want to set standards like that is to form your own group. When using the GF you are asking for randomness in who you are paired with. Zos already set standards required for each dungeon. Most dungeons I can provide enough dps for the group to clear without issue even when I am the healer.

Deep_01 · May 2019

Why don't you ask your group members for dps tests before you all start a pledge?

Hippie4927 · May 2019

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Just to lessen the casualty and the grief that comes with this pledge.
Specially new players, when they get an invitation to do a dungeon/pledge, they tend to do it in curiousity and get a dose of bad medicine.
Unless your a newtoon with cp810.
New players will really find this a huge challenge, or even a stumbling block, maybe even a dead end.

idk · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Just to lessen the casualty and the grief that comes with this pledge.
Specially new players, when they get an invitation to do a dungeon/pledge, they tend to do it in curiousity and get a dose of bad medicine.
Unless your a newtoon with cp810.
New players will really find this a huge challenge, or even a stumbling block, maybe even a dead end.

And the answer is still form your own group if you want to set that type of standards. The solution to what you want is that simple.

I know when I form a group from my raiding guilds what to expect. They have dps standards to be in them. From your group from your raiding guild. If you are not in one then find one.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Parrot1986 wrote: »

There shouldn’t be any test for any of them....

It’s content in a game not an exam. The pledge itself is the “test” I.e can you do it or not

To me pledge are more like a challenge.
Now to make sure your up to par with said challenge they require for a simple dps parse.

idk · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

There shouldn’t be any test for any of them....

It’s content in a game not an exam. The pledge itself is the “test” I.e can you do it or not

To me pledge are more like a challenge.
Now to make sure your up to par with said challenge they require for a simple dps parse.

They are just a quest to do a dungeon. Nothing more than that.

The dungeon has a level of challenge and yes, for some that challenge is real. Zos set the standards for each dungeon already.

It does not make sense to have one standard to enter a dungeon via GF and another standard for just picking up a quest for said dungeon. No other quest in the game has a dps check to pick up the quest and you have failed to justify why pledges should be different.

Parrot1986 · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

There shouldn’t be any test for any of them....

It’s content in a game not an exam. The pledge itself is the “test” I.e can you do it or not

To me pledge are more like a challenge.
Now to make sure your up to par with said challenge they require for a simple dps parse.

You’re splitting hairs with the difference between challenge and test. Standing in front of a dummy doesn’t give any indication of knowing mechanics etc either so wouldn’t give you anything to suggest that they can do the pledge. I’ve not even mentioned the fact that apart from DLC dungeons none even need greater than 25k group dps. Zos will never and shouldn’t put something in that actively stops someone from playing the game based on an unnecessary minimum performance level.

If you want controls in place set them yourself and make your own group. If you use dungeon finder then take what you get.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

There shouldn’t be any test for any of them....

It’s content in a game not an exam. The pledge itself is the “test” I.e can you do it or not

To me pledge are more like a challenge.
Now to make sure your up to par with said challenge they require for a simple dps parse.

They are just a quest to do a dungeon. Nothing more than that.

The dungeon has a level of challenge and yes, for some that challenge is real. Zos set the standards for each dungeon already.

It does not make sense to have one standard to enter a dungeon via GF and another standard for just picking up a quest for said dungeon. No other quest in the game has a dps check to pick up the quest and you have failed to justify why pledges should be different.

Thats why they should ask for a dps parse.
You get 10k to 20k dps your cleared for normal, thats what youll get when queue for a normal random. You get 20k to 30k and your cleared for veteran random. They wont let you queue for a random vet if you didnt get that 20-30k dps.

Tell me there are no cp160 guy that can only do less than 20k dps queuing for coa2, imagine them getting a dlc dungeon.

Matchimus · May 2019

With or without potions?

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Matchimus wrote: »

With or without potions?

Anyway you want to get those dps parse.
10 to 20 k dps your good for normal pledges.
20 to 30 k dps your good for veteran pledges.
I think those dps are reasonable.

idk · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

There shouldn’t be any test for any of them....

It’s content in a game not an exam. The pledge itself is the “test” I.e can you do it or not

To me pledge are more like a challenge.
Now to make sure your up to par with said challenge they require for a simple dps parse.

They are just a quest to do a dungeon. Nothing more than that.

The dungeon has a level of challenge and yes, for some that challenge is real. Zos set the standards for each dungeon already.

It does not make sense to have one standard to enter a dungeon via GF and another standard for just picking up a quest for said dungeon. No other quest in the game has a dps check to pick up the quest and you have failed to justify why pledges should be different.

Thats why they should ask for a dps parse.
You get 10k to 20k dps your cleared for normal, thats what youll get when queue for a normal random. You get 20k to 30k and your cleared for veteran random. They wont let you queue for a random vet if you didnt get that 20-30k dps.

Tell me there are no cp160 guy that can only do less than 20k dps queuing for coa2, imagine them getting a dlc dungeon.

You make zero sense.

Using your example. They can queue for a dungeon via GF but if they cannot do the dps they cannot pick up the quest. That is utterly pointless. It is beyond absurd. There is no reasoning and lacks real purpose other than being a nuisance. That is coming from someone who has been clearing vet dungeons on live for 5 years now..

russelmmendoza · May 2019

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

There shouldn’t be any test for any of them....

It’s content in a game not an exam. The pledge itself is the “test” I.e can you do it or not

To me pledge are more like a challenge.
Now to make sure your up to par with said challenge they require for a simple dps parse.

They are just a quest to do a dungeon. Nothing more than that.

The dungeon has a level of challenge and yes, for some that challenge is real. Zos set the standards for each dungeon already.

It does not make sense to have one standard to enter a dungeon via GF and another standard for just picking up a quest for said dungeon. No other quest in the game has a dps check to pick up the quest and you have failed to justify why pledges should be different.

Thats why they should ask for a dps parse.
You get 10k to 20k dps your cleared for normal, thats what youll get when queue for a normal random. You get 20k to 30k and your cleared for veteran random. They wont let you queue for a random vet if you didnt get that 20-30k dps.

Tell me there are no cp160 guy that can only do less than 20k dps queuing for coa2, imagine them getting a dlc dungeon.

You make zero sense.

Using your example. They can queue for a dungeon via GF but if they cannot do the dps they cannot pick up the quest. That is utterly pointless. It is beyond absurd.

They wont let q via gf if you dont pass the dps requirements.
Depending on your dps parse they wont let you q for dungeons or pledges.
If you didnt pass the 10k to 20k dps parse, they wont let you get pledges or queue for any normal dungeon.
If you dont pass the 20k to 30k dps parse, you dont get to do vet pledges and vet dungeons via gf or random vet queue.

idk · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

There shouldn’t be any test for any of them....

It’s content in a game not an exam. The pledge itself is the “test” I.e can you do it or not

To me pledge are more like a challenge.
Now to make sure your up to par with said challenge they require for a simple dps parse.

They are just a quest to do a dungeon. Nothing more than that.

The dungeon has a level of challenge and yes, for some that challenge is real. Zos set the standards for each dungeon already.

It does not make sense to have one standard to enter a dungeon via GF and another standard for just picking up a quest for said dungeon. No other quest in the game has a dps check to pick up the quest and you have failed to justify why pledges should be different.

Thats why they should ask for a dps parse.
You get 10k to 20k dps your cleared for normal, thats what youll get when queue for a normal random. You get 20k to 30k and your cleared for veteran random. They wont let you queue for a random vet if you didnt get that 20-30k dps.

Tell me there are no cp160 guy that can only do less than 20k dps queuing for coa2, imagine them getting a dlc dungeon.

You make zero sense.

Using your example. They can queue for a dungeon via GF but if they cannot do the dps they cannot pick up the quest. That is utterly pointless. It is beyond absurd.

They wont let q via gf if you dont pass the dps requirements.
Depending on your dps parse they wont let you q for dungeons or pledges.
If you didnt pass the 10k to 20k dps parse, they wont let you get pledges or queue for any normal dungeon.
If you dont pass the 20k to 30k dps parse, you dont get to do vet pledges and vet dungeons via gf or random vet queue.

Pledges are irrelevant to queueing for a dungeon. You can do a dungeon via GF any day of the week. Many players do dungeons every day via GF that are not the pledge.

Again, your idea is pointless. Nothing you say even makes sense.

I think it is just a case that you have not thought this through very well. Regardless, Zos is not going to put a dps requirement on queueing for dungeons. There is no reason for it as they already set requirements and nothing in this thread is going to sway their thoughts on this. Especially since few fights have a dps requirement to begin with.

No point.

Chicharron · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Those 3 undaunted guys giving pledges should ask for you to do a dps test before giving you the actual pledge. They would only give you pledge if you reach their desired dps parse.

So what would the test be for tank and healer?

This forum never ceases to amaze me.

It's just a stupid video game, a hobby, not a job.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Your not getting it.

If you can do 10k to 20k dps youll be allowed to do normal dungeons and pledges.

If you can do 20k to 30k dps youl be allowed to do veteran dungeons and pledges.

This is a proposal not an actual thing, which seems to confuse you.

I am suggesting that players be asked to do a dps test by the 3 pledges giver before letting them do dungeons and pledges.

phaneub17_ESO · May 2019

Not everyone does PUGs, there are players who actually go as a Guild group or with Friends, pass or fail they have fun either way and in no way should something this idiotic prevent them from entering.

Parrot1986 · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Your not getting it.

If you can do 10k to 20k dps youll be allowed to do normal dungeons and pledges.

If you can do 20k to 30k dps youl be allowed to do veteran dungeons and pledges.

This is a proposal not an actual thing, which seems to confuse you.

I am suggesting that players be asked to do a dps test by the 3 pledges giver before letting them do dungeons and pledges.

No i get that, what you’re not getting is the proposal is pointless. People can clear vet dungeons with 15k , they won’t get speed run but but still clear it. Adding these barriers isn’t a good idea. If you want to avoid low DPS go with a guild.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

And yet people doing pug dungeons and or pledges, complains that their dps guy is hitting like a wet noodle in a vet dungeon, now if a dps is doing less than 10k in a pledge and cant finish said pledge, youll kick them out, or carry them to the unending boss fight.

Parrot1986 · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

And yet people doing pug dungeons and or pledges, complains that their dps guy is hitting like a wet noodle in a vet dungeon, now if a dps is doing less than 10k in a pledge and cant finish said pledge, youll kick them out, or carry them to the unending boss fight.

I never complain if I’m in a PUG. Give me a tank who can hold aggro and the rest of the group hardly matters for non-dlc. I’d only do DLC if I’d run the first two with the group and felt it’d go ok.

I don’t mind if I end up carrying someone either, as long as the DD isn’t constantly dying to silly things over and over or doing something to pro-actively hamper us from completing I couldn’t care less. I choose to PUG it so I take what I get.

idk · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Your not getting it.

If you can do 10k to 20k dps youll be allowed to do normal dungeons and pledges.

If you can do 20k to 30k dps youl be allowed to do veteran dungeons and pledges.

This is a proposal not an actual thing, which seems to confuse you.

I am suggesting that players be asked to do a dps test by the 3 pledges giver before letting them do dungeons and pledges.

It is you that does not get it and I think we all know you are just making a suggestion. We have merely pointed out the lack of a need, lack of justification and your attempts to justify it does not make sense.

Few fights in this game actually require a certain level of dps. Most fights that are challenging mostly require someone who is good with the mechanics.,

Further, your idea puts a requirement for picking up the pledge, not for the dungeon so it is totally pointless.

So if you are having problems clearing dungeons stop blaming others and form your own group. Zos is not going to hold peoples hands through everything. They are not our mother.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Parrot1986 wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Your not getting it.

If you can do 10k to 20k dps youll be allowed to do normal dungeons and pledges.

If you can do 20k to 30k dps youl be allowed to do veteran dungeons and pledges.

This is a proposal not an actual thing, which seems to confuse you.

I am suggesting that players be asked to do a dps test by the 3 pledges giver before letting them do dungeons and pledges.

No i get that, what you’re not getting is the proposal is pointless. People can clear vet dungeons with 15k , they won’t get speed run but but still clear it. Adding these barriers isn’t a good idea. If you want to avoid low DPS go with a guild.

Then how come when the 5th anniversary event was to do pledges there lots of salt and tear by players, complaining that their dps is hitting like a baby and had to be kicked out of normal pledges. There was forum thread about it I think.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Your not getting it.

If you can do 10k to 20k dps youll be allowed to do normal dungeons and pledges.

If you can do 20k to 30k dps youl be allowed to do veteran dungeons and pledges.

This is a proposal not an actual thing, which seems to confuse you.

I am suggesting that players be asked to do a dps test by the 3 pledges giver before letting them do dungeons and pledges.

It is you that does not get it and I think we all know you are just making a suggestion. We have merely pointed out the lack of a need, lack of justification and your attempts to justify it does not make sense.

Few fights in this game actually require a certain level of dps. Most fights that are challenging mostly require someone who is good with the mechanics.,

Further, your idea puts a requirement for picking up the pledge, not for the dungeon so it is totally pointless.

So if you are having problems clearing dungeons stop blaming others and form your own group. Zos is not going to hold peoples hands through everything. They are not our mother.

And yet there were lots of threads during the anniversary event requiring to clear pledges to get the anniversary box, that their dps guy is doing less than 10k dps and kicked them out.

Minyassa · May 2019

That would drive an alarming number of new players away from the game. People do not play games to be told "you can't do this exciting stuff until you become an expert while doing the more boring stuff." As every other game in existence doesn't do that, they would have anywhere else to go to avoid that BS. It's not a sensible idea.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Maybe also give them an idea about rotation.
Teach new players about dot, aoe and weaving.
To be more knowledgeble in the games combat system mechanics.
Teach them while testing their combat ability.

idk · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Your not getting it.

If you can do 10k to 20k dps youll be allowed to do normal dungeons and pledges.

If you can do 20k to 30k dps youl be allowed to do veteran dungeons and pledges.

This is a proposal not an actual thing, which seems to confuse you.

I am suggesting that players be asked to do a dps test by the 3 pledges giver before letting them do dungeons and pledges.

It is you that does not get it and I think we all know you are just making a suggestion. We have merely pointed out the lack of a need, lack of justification and your attempts to justify it does not make sense.

Few fights in this game actually require a certain level of dps. Most fights that are challenging mostly require someone who is good with the mechanics.,

Further, your idea puts a requirement for picking up the pledge, not for the dungeon so it is totally pointless.

So if you are having problems clearing dungeons stop blaming others and form your own group. Zos is not going to hold peoples hands through everything. They are not our mother.

And yet there were lots of threads during the anniversary event requiring to clear pledges to get the anniversary box, that their dps guy is doing less than 10k dps and kicked them out.

That is not a justification for Zos to implement a DPS check on pledges. That is a reason for someone to form their own group if they want to set requirements.

Zos provided those players with a solution many use every day, form their own group. I form groups for pledges when I run them and it is really easy to do.

You have failed to justify a reason for the requirement in a game where few dungeon fights have a dps requirement. Most of your comments where you try to justify your suggestion just do not make any sense and more times than not show your idea is pointless.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Now thats a response.
If you started with that, I would have treated you in a civil way.
I am suggesting something, it may not agree with you, but you didnt have to be a troll.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

idk wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Your not getting it.

If you can do 10k to 20k dps youll be allowed to do normal dungeons and pledges.

If you can do 20k to 30k dps youl be allowed to do veteran dungeons and pledges.

This is a proposal not an actual thing, which seems to confuse you.

I am suggesting that players be asked to do a dps test by the 3 pledges giver before letting them do dungeons and pledges.

It is you that does not get it and I think we all know you are just making a suggestion. We have merely pointed out the lack of a need, lack of justification and your attempts to justify it does not make sense.

Few fights in this game actually require a certain level of dps. Most fights that are challenging mostly require someone who is good with the mechanics.,

Further, your idea puts a requirement for picking up the pledge, not for the dungeon so it is totally pointless.

So if you are having problems clearing dungeons stop blaming others and form your own group. Zos is not going to hold peoples hands through everything. They are not our mother.

And yet there were lots of threads during the anniversary event requiring to clear pledges to get the anniversary box, that their dps guy is doing less than 10k dps and kicked them out.

That is not a justification for Zos to implement a DPS check on pledges. That is a reason for someone to form their own group if they want to set requirements.

Zos provided those players with a solution many use every day, form their own group. I form groups for pledges when I run them and it is really easy to do.

You have failed to justify a reason for the requirement in a game where few dungeon fights have a dps requirement. Most of your comments where you try to justify your suggestion just do not make any sense and more times than not show your idea is pointless.

A pointless idea is one that is not shared.

If you dont agree with it then thats that, you being your response is what makes you as a person.