Never going to happen since they started pretending it's a "feature".

But yes, I do wish they'd change the animation system so that damage is applied when an attack connects, and not just the moment you press a button or left click. You should still be able to cancel an attack, so the game remains responsive, but if the attack hasn't connected, no damage should be dealt. I have no idea why anyone wouldn't want that, unless they're afraid damage numbers wouldn't be adjusted to reflect this change, and they're more worried about their legendary deeps decreasing than about the game mechanics making sense.

fred4 wrote: »

Animation cancelling is a consequence of desirable core mechanics of the game. It is not something ZOS could get rid of, not without massive class and content changes. Light attack weaving is the basis for skills like Merciless Resolve and the new Psijic weapon ability. Blocking, dodge, bash and bar swap cancelling make the game feel responsive. High-end content pushes you to the limit where you need that responsiveness. Whereas magicka classes may shield, stamina classes rely on block and dodge for defense. Everything else flows from that. This poll is pointless, as it's ignorant of the origin of animation cancelling. It is not a feature in and of itself. It is a consequence of thoughtful design of the game engine. It is ingrained so deeply that I don't ever see it changing.

This is a big reason there's so much resistance to the idea too, it seems. A lot of people seem to think that "fixing" animation cancelling means you won't be able to cancel any more. That's not the issue. The issue is down to the application of damage right at the start of an animation, rather than when an animation actually connects. You should be able to cancel an attack for the sake of responsiveness. It just shouldn't deal damage if it hasn't connected yet. That's all.

If we're talking specifically for console, I'd say yes. Everyone I know who plays on console struggles with getting bar shifts in their rotation, and often times, you can be pushing bar shift multiple times, and it just doesn't give you the change. Other times, you execute your button combos, but it doesn't always work due to lag or some some other issue. On console, it'd be nice to see them just buff damage abilities and get rid of animation cancelling (and work on the damned bar-swaps!) to make it easier to have clean runs through your rotation.

But again, they'd need to buff the ability damage in order to make this work because there is the potential to lose a lot of dps otherwise.

Darkstorne wrote: »

Never going to happen since they started pretending it's a "feature".

But yes, I do wish they'd change the animation system so that damage is applied when an attack connects, and not just the moment you press a button or left click. You should still be able to cancel an attack, so the game remains responsive, but if the attack hasn't connected, no damage should be dealt. I have no idea why anyone wouldn't want that, unless they're afraid damage numbers wouldn't be adjusted to reflect this change, and they're more worried about their legendary deeps decreasing than about the game mechanics making sense.

fred4 wrote: »

Animation cancelling is a consequence of desirable core mechanics of the game. It is not something ZOS could get rid of, not without massive class and content changes. Light attack weaving is the basis for skills like Merciless Resolve and the new Psijic weapon ability. Blocking, dodge, bash and bar swap cancelling make the game feel responsive. High-end content pushes you to the limit where you need that responsiveness. Whereas magicka classes may shield, stamina classes rely on block and dodge for defense. Everything else flows from that. This poll is pointless, as it's ignorant of the origin of animation cancelling. It is not a feature in and of itself. It is a consequence of thoughtful design of the game engine. It is ingrained so deeply that I don't ever see it changing.

This is a big reason there's so much resistance to the idea too, it seems. A lot of people seem to think that "fixing" animation cancelling means you won't be able to cancel any more. That's not the issue. The issue is down to the application of damage right at the start of an animation, rather than when an animation actually connects. You should be able to cancel an attack for the sake of responsiveness. It just shouldn't deal damage if it hasn't connected yet. That's all.

and this is simply where you demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding as to what is actually happening with the combat system.

Damage application is completely independent from attack animations on the server side. Instant cast abilities are instant. meaning they resolve instantly when you cast them, so long as you meet the criteria. Suprise attack for example resolves itself immediately when its used in melee range of a target, end of story. There is nothing to cancel. Any follow up recovery animation is purely superfluous to damage calculations.

Abilities with hard cast times do not resolve until the cast completes, canceling such an ability with a block or roll dodge cancels the cast.

Arguing that canceling an attack shouldnt yeild any results is a logical dead end since in reality that is exactly what happens already. You arent gaining any benefit with ability use frequency since you are entirely beholden to the GCD regardless, and again if you use an instant cast ability, there is nothing to cancel.

All of these abilities trigger the GCD on use, and reactionary actions like blocking, or roll dodging are specifically designed to function outside the CGD so players are not arbitrarily punished and that player agency is always maintained in combat. This is why there is nothing to "fix" because it simply exists due to fundamental core systems behaving properly.

People are throwing tantrums because some racial changes might result in a 0,05% DSP decrease. Can you imagine the outcry when they would decide to change a mechanic like AC? The popcorn industry of the western world is not ready for that.

I don't think it can be done without making block and dodgeroll unresponsive. The inflated DPS numbers are better than long animation locks like in Dark Souls.

Get this garbage poll out of here! Is this your first day on the forums????

I don't mind the animation canceling, I just don't like how hard it is to time. Each spell has a slightly different animation, and maintaining any sort of cadence while weaving doesn't work, unless you go very slow. It works fine when my guy is standing there in front of a dummy and I can easily pay attention to the animation of my character, the second I'm doing something real, and there are a ton of bad guys on the screen, or spells or other effects going off, I have a tough time focusing on my dudes animation.

I think it would help if they added some sort of in game tool to help you time it. I know there is lightattackhelper but that really just tells you if you keep screwing up, not really helping you to weave in real time.

I can weave elemental weapon and hit .9+ la/s and get 30k dps as long as i'm JUST spamming that. As soon as I start using everything else i'm down to like .4 la/s and my dps drops to 22k which is very frustrating. DPS shouldn't be THAT one dimentional.

Get better! Yes, I know that is the obvious answer but I feel like there should be more emphasis on gear levels, traits, cp's and other strategies for the vast majority of your dps and slightly less on mastering this one weird trick.

I honestly don't think they can remove it. As mentioned already, it's now a feature.
My dps is higher when cancelling and I'm ok with that, so whatevs

AC is what separates a good player from casual player. As it was mentioned above, you don’t need AC to clear all normal and some vet content. So what is your problem? In this game it is super easy to get all good gear. So how would you separate top tier PvE player from everybody else? I am playing from distant part of Russia with huge ping, I still easily manage to AC even in PvP. Don’t make this game casual. If you are getting smacked in PvP, just play in your low MMR battlegorund or go zerg, what is the problem?

Nope. I enjoy the current feature.

I dont think they can fix it because is the base of ESO combat. And if they do, the combat will twice as clunky of what we have right now.

I want to see a future where attack speed is a thing.
Now personally, i think is useful to hide how awful the animations are, so you just animation cancel to not ever see them again.