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Just kicked 2 players from a dungeon
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Aireal✭✭✭PVPers VS PVEers FIGHT FIGHT! MORTAL KOMBAAAT!! It's possible to actually do both you know.
It is, and mainly pvpers do both things because we are forced to. We just rather spend more time in pvp because pve is boring.
Pve is like: "oh, they released 1 dungeon and/or 1 trial, let's do them". A few days later you and your friends know the mechanics and all the challenge is gone. Now you just need to wait a few more months for new content.
Umm Dude? See that is a particular type of player.. and works for both PvP and PvE.... Now I can't say exactly what the challenge is.. I Don't PvP unless I have to.. and really unless I want a particular item during an event, I don't have to.
Their are different types of PvE players though.. Sure you have the people that grind their way to a higher level character.. and seriously don't even know how to optimize that character. Sucks for them ...and those people who 'carry' them through dungeons.
I'm not that person though.. and I'm sure there are many.. many others who aren't. Sure my highest level character is at 39.. But he is doing Cadwells Silver for the MQ, the rest being done. He's on a side trip working through "The demon Weapon" atm..
Do my characters sometimes need a bit of help? Yes, sometimes they do.. at the same time I have helped people out who are much.. much higher in level and I just figure their character isn't set up right for a particular boss.. I don't A.S.S.U.M.E. that they are ninnies that power leveled or PvP'rs who's characters are optimized for PvP'ing but not PvE.
I pass forward the help I sometimes get... It's helping and being nice ( or at least polite ) to one another that keeps the game from getting toxic on a social level,Life is about the journey...cause it all ends the same0 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is, and mainly pvpers do both things because we are forced to. We just rather spend more time in pvp because pve is boring.
Boring for you. I have more reliable fun in PVE than I ever have in PVP. sure pvp is fun when BG deigns to give you a balanced matchup with a fun close match (very rarely btw) or when you have a good group to run with in cyro.. but you can't get that on demand.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.3 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭My raid partner and me were running a raid tonight at usual farming speed, when the two randoms started complaining *RUSH US FASTER* and the similar. One also refused to hit bosses.
Well, we rushed them faster, made them die in a chamber different from the endboss, then they named us a music instrument for doing what they wanted.
See, even if you give them what they want they won't be happy, so just go on with your business.1 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is, and mainly pvpers do both things because we are forced to. We just rather spend more time in pvp because pve is boring.
Boring for you. I have more reliable fun in PVE than I ever have in PVP. sure pvp is fun when BG deigns to give you a balanced matchup with a fun close match (very rarely btw) or when you have a good group to run with in cyro.. but you can't get that on demand.
Pve is easy, repetitive and predictable, i can't really see the fun part of it.
Even some bosses tell you what to do and when to do it, and i'm like "thanks Veli, it's not like i'm trying to kill you or something. Ridiculous.Edited by Vietfox on April 28, 2019 3:19AM3 -
Arunei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Are you for real? PVP gear can be acquired extremely cheaply in vendors or it can be crafted. There’s no “grind” involved, unless you have less than 10k gold to your name. PVEers knew about the event well in advance, and if they were THAT concerned about being ganked, they had more than enough time to prepare.
Did you mean to quote my entire post twice?
That being asked, yes, I am serious, because not everyone has a crafter. Not everyone has gold to buy stuff from vendors. And the main problem still remains; do you really think even someone getting all the 'decent' PVP gear and a PvP rotation is going to make any difference if a person has no experience handling fighting another player? No, no it won't. Gear and skills don't make a good PvPer, having the experience does. The same thing applies to doing PvE; having optimal gear and a perfect rotation won't do you any good whatsoever until you've gotten experienced in doing the content requiring it.
Edited by Arunei on April 28, 2019 3:22AMCharacter List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
Krisiel: Redguard Stamsorc DPS - Literally crazy Werewolf, no like legit insane. She nuts
Kiju Veran: Khajiit Stamblade DPS - Ex-Fighters Guild Suthay who likes to punch things, nicknamed Tinykat
Niralae Elsinal: Altmer Stamsorc DPS - Young Altmer with way too much Magicka
Sarah Lacroix: Breton Magsorc DPS - Fledgling Vampire who drinks too much water
Slondor: Nord Tankblade - TESified verson of Slenderman
Marius Vastino: Imperial <insert role here> - Sarah's apathetic sire who likes to monologue
Delthor Rellenar: Dunmer Magknight DPS - Sarah's ex who's a certified psychopath
Lirawyn Calatare: Altmer Magplar Healer - Traveling performer and bard who's 101% vanilla bean
Gondryn Beldeau: Breton Tankplar - Sarah's Mages Guild mentor and certified badass old person
Gwendolyn Jenelle: Breton Magplar Healer - Friendly healer with a coffee addiction
Soliril Larethian- Altmer Magblade DPS - Blind alchemist who uses animals to see and brews plagues in his spare time
Tevril Rallenar: Dunmer Stamcro DPS - Delthor's "special" younger brother who raises small animals as friends
Celeroth Calatare: Bosmer <insert role here> - Shapeshifting Bosmer with enough sass to fill Valenwood
PC - NA - EP - CP1000+
Avid RPer. Hit me up in-game @Ras_Lei if you're interested in getting together for some arr-pee shenanigans!0 -
Aireal✭✭✭It is, and mainly pvpers do both things because we are forced to. We just rather spend more time in pvp because pve is boring.
Boring for you. I have more reliable fun in PVE than I ever have in PVP. sure pvp is fun when BG deigns to give you a balanced matchup with a fun close match (very rarely btw) or when you have a good group to run with in cyro.. but you can't get that on demand.
Pve is easy, repetitive and predictable, i can't really see the fun part of it.
Different strokes for different folks?
I come from RPG's.. therefore.. I Role Play. Even my crafters have a role to play.. they help their friends by crafting them good armor, weapons, potions, food.. and setting them up a nice place to live.
Or put in another way.. 4k plus hours playing Skyrim on 360.. I'm at about 3k hr's in Skyrim on PC, 5k hrs total in Oblivion, 2k in Morrowind, about 10k in Dragon Age ( all three ) not to mention Fable I, II, III.. DMC ( 1-4 ) Neverwinter Nights I & II..
Baran, my Altmer Dragon Knight ( lvl 39.). is doing the MQ.. He started wanting his soul back.. now.. He's in a never-ending battle against the "dark" Deadric Princes.
Drystan, Nord Warden ( lvl16),.. is an explorer.. the "Northern" countries... starting in Eastmarch
Ay'Anna Breton Sorceress (lvl 32).. is tangled up with Cyrodillic Collections in Mirkmire..and will probably stay in the 'swampy areas.
T'Sillah , Khajiit Warden..( lvl 22) is doing the Psijic quests and is also helping Raz in his efforts with the Queen.
I don't see how anyone can mindlessly just run through dungeons killing things...to me that's pretty dang boring.. but.. some people skydive.. some people play golf... some do both.
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MrBrownstone✭✭✭✭✭
✭MrBumblefoot wrote: »
I've been able to on some mini bosses on my mDK with 1 Lord Warden shoulder piece. But it's still difficult for me. Im sure some people could though, but at that point i'll stick with a real tank unless I crave the challenge.
No dude, it has nothing to do with skill. You simply cannot survive a hit from a proper Veteran boss as a dd because the damage you take is bigger than your hp pool0 -
Rittings✭✭✭✭✭
✭Saw quite a few of them in Vet Darkshade II yesterday... it's horrible to experience because they are all single target up front damage players - so even Grobul was difficult when you got two DDs that were PVPers... lol.0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭everlastingodeb17_ESO wrote: »
On Grobul he'll probably have to if he wants to progress.
That boss is nearly impossible unless the group has some decent area damage. Trying to single target damage that fight is a nightmare.Edited by ZOS_RikardD on April 28, 2019 6:56PM0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Are you for real? PVP gear can be acquired extremely cheaply in vendors or it can be crafted. There’s no “grind” involved, unless you have less than 10k gold to your name. PVEers knew about the event well in advance, and if they were THAT concerned about being ganked, they had more than enough time to prepare.
Did you mean to quote my entire post twice?
That being asked, yes, I am serious, because not everyone has a crafter. Not everyone has gold to buy stuff from vendors. And the main problem still remains; do you really think even someone getting all the 'decent' PVP gear and a PvP rotation is going to make any difference if a person has no experience handling fighting another player? No, no it won't. Gear and skills don't make a good PvPer, having the experience does. The same thing applies to doing PvE; having optimal gear and a perfect rotation won't do you any good whatsoever until you've gotten experienced in doing the content requiring it.
Yeah, my apologies, @Arunei — I had just finished working a 12.5 hour shift and was exhausted when I responded, so forgive me for not noticing that I’d quoted you twice. The unnecessary sarcasm is much appreciated, though!
And LOL, when you’re equipping PVP tank sets, there is no “rotation” involved, especially if the purpose is to survive weak NB gankers and turn in quests. You hold block and spam heals. Not difficult... most NBs freak out and disengage if they can’t gank someone in three hits or less.
Any serious PVEer will have zero issues acquiring crafted or dropped basic PVP gear cheaply and quickly if they REALLY want to. Alas, it’s easier for most to cry on the forums when they get one-shotted in full divines light Siroria and Spell Strategist.0 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
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Meanwhile people beg for Zaan at the golden, despite vScP being one of the easiest DLC dungeons.It is, and mainly pvpers do both things because we are forced to. We just rather spend more time in pvp because pve is boring.
Boring for you. I have more reliable fun in PVE than I ever have in PVP. sure pvp is fun when BG deigns to give you a balanced matchup with a fun close match (very rarely btw) or when you have a good group to run with in cyro.. but you can't get that on demand.
Pve is easy, repetitive and predictable, i can't really see the fun part of it.
Even some bosses tell you what to do and when to do it, and i'm like "thanks Veli, it's not like i'm trying to kill you or something. Ridiculous.1 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Facefister wrote: »
Meanwhile people beg for Zaan at the golden, despite vScP being one of the easiest DLC dungeons.It is, and mainly pvpers do both things because we are forced to. We just rather spend more time in pvp because pve is boring.
Boring for you. I have more reliable fun in PVE than I ever have in PVP. sure pvp is fun when BG deigns to give you a balanced matchup with a fun close match (very rarely btw) or when you have a good group to run with in cyro.. but you can't get that on demand.
Pve is easy, repetitive and predictable, i can't really see the fun part of it.
Even some bosses tell you what to do and when to do it, and i'm like "thanks Veli, it's not like i'm trying to kill you or something. Ridiculous.
Yeah i don't get it. I'm a hardcore pvper and i have no issues with dungeons. Probably those begging for Zaan aren't good at pvp either.1 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For what it's worth I'm no stranger to kicking people from groups, but I only do it if someone isn't doing their role (fake tank/healer), or being a poor team player (running ahead, pulling everything, making a mess, especially when they die doing it). It's group content, the very least you can do is not making it all about you and you alone.1 -
dtsharples✭✭✭✭✭Wow show me where the PVP baddies touched you poor little man XD
It so happens that it WAS the DLC pledge for that day so don't read too much into it.
And if you took the effort to read the whole thread you'd realise that people are complaining about vFungal + vDirefrost and other *** that you can do blind-folded - so maybe don't cherry-pick the information you choose to see.
And no I wouldn't take a fully PVP char to anything beyond vICP / vWGT. I'd swap out 1 gear set before I entered.
As I say, not all PVPers wear impen, my armour is all divines + Infused.
And don't bother getting on your high horse just yet mate. I have almost every dungeon achievement available on both my Healer + MagDK.
By the sounds of your post it seems that you however might be struggling a little.
There is nothing difficult about any of the dungeons you mentioned, they are the same EVERY single time you enter - they literally don't change!! You just have to avoid the *** and do your thing until it dies.
Nice try at trolling though
That is the first dlc. It lacks a number of advanced mechanics that have been invented and implemented in later dungeons.
Do your 4 dps pvp build in vBloodroot, vScale, vFalkreath, vFrost. I’d be entertained watching 4 pvp dps dancing around chudan in vMazz, or scrambling around avoiding Balorgh when he electrifies the water in vMarch. It would be awesome to see your 4 pvp dps gang try to butt-tank the lava geysers from Galchobhar the Minotaur boss. Let’s see your crew handle the white werewolf in vMoonhunter. You called them easy mechanics, cherry picking the very first dlc put out.
Step it up to the harder stuff and let’s see your group support your boasting.
Edited by dtsharples on April 28, 2019 3:54PM1 -
mustangmorgan31✭✭✭✭I don't like how this post is stereotyping PVP players as being horrible at PVE. There are lots of PVP'ers that are phenomenal at PVE. Did you all ever think the players you had in your dungeon runs were just bad players in general?5
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Anhedonie✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Contrary to popular belief, in ESO PvP players suck at pve and PvE players suck at pvp. Only players that are good at both are the players that play both.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.3 -
mustangmorgan31✭✭✭✭Just stop whining about the people you get when you are pugging the dungeon by using group finder. Want good people? run with friends or guildies that you know are good. Otherwise deal with it or just slam normals out.2
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SkillzMFG✭✭✭✭MrBumblefoot wrote: »Don't join Veteran DLC Dungeons if you're clueless.
But how else are people going to learn to play it through? At some point in time you also joined a dungeon and were clueless, don't be so insensitive towards players who got to the DLC vet content a bit later than you did.
Of course If you don't beat the first boss after 10 tries something is off, but you don't have to be an arse about it. Just suggest a better set, rotation and cp allocation and move on with your life.Edited by SkillzMFG on April 28, 2019 5:29PM1 -
D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MrBumblefoot wrote: »MrBumblefoot wrote: »
I've been able to on some mini bosses on my mDK with 1 Lord Warden shoulder piece. But it's still difficult for me. Im sure some people could though, but at that point i'll stick with a real tank unless I crave the challenge.
No dude, it has nothing to do with skill. You simply cannot survive a hit from a proper Veteran boss as a dd because the damage you take is bigger than your hp pool
Not everyone builds 17k glass cannons. I have toons built to tank like resistance and a larger health pool with simple gear and food change.1 -
Canned_Apples✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's not that they suck...it's that they don't bother changing out their abilities, gear, or even CP.
You also have to remember that the majority of pvp players run in zergs- so there's even less "skill" involved than for pve.
I only swap out my gear for vets and some-dlc dungeons.0 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭@KappaKid83
The person completely minimized pve, implying that pve is inferior to pvp in difficulty. The person said“The thing is, if you can PVP well you can PVE pretty easily too as a result - Why? Because you have the self awareness to avoid the ridiculously easy mechanics, have self heals / shields and if you aren't a total turd have plenty of DPS to bring down the bosses - and trash mobs just melt.”
The person is totally dismissive of pve there.
I merely pointed out the serious flaws in their arrogant pompous remark: that the vaunted 4-DD pvp team was going to have a serious challenge handling more current pve dungeons, if not have their characters be outright pounded into the dirt.
If you’ve got a problem with my challenge to that, that’s your problem.
I thinkn you misconstrued that, I took it as them saying that the skills of a pvp player make it less likely they will be a boat anchor. But if you took that as an attack, well then I guess there's that.0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Canned_Apples wrote: »It's not that they suck...it's that they don't bother changing out their abilities, gear, or even CP.
You also have to remember that the majority of pvp players run in zergs- so there's even less "skill" involved than for pve.
I only swap out my gear for vets and some-dlc dungeons.
99% of PvP is basically a numbers game and out-numbering your opponent to where they have little chance at winning - especially in Cyrodil. That is the number one tactic used. So I'll never understand those who think PvP has so much more "skill" involved when compared to PvE.Edited by Jeremy on April 28, 2019 10:38PM5 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭Saw quite a few of them in Vet Darkshade II yesterday... it's horrible to experience because they are all single target up front damage players - so even Grobul was difficult when you got two DDs that were PVPers... lol.
I actually had to try and run Darkshade 2 with a healer who couldn't cast and move and apparently didn't have enough stamina to dodge roll because they were a magicka build (mind you in playing a pet sorc with 10k stam and doing just fine). I was kicked after we failed Grobul multiple times due to lack of dps from second player (i'm in that 50-60k mark on Grobul with the aoe damage) and the fact our healer kept dieing underneath him. I was called a Clown by casual pve players and kicked from group while trying to say dodge roll please, cast on the move and situational awareness. So it's not just PVP players ruining this week, its casuals as well. It really sucked they were a 3 stack and could easily vote me out of group.0 -
DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Canned_Apples wrote: »It's not that they suck...it's that they don't bother changing out their abilities, gear, or even CP.
You also have to remember that the majority of pvp players run in zergs- so there's even less "skill" involved than for pve.
I only swap out my gear for vets and some-dlc dungeons.
99% of PvP is basically a numbers game and out-numbering your opponent to where they have little chance at winning - especially in Cyrodil. That is the number one tactic used. So I'll never understand those who think PvP has so much more "skill" involved when compared to PvE.
Except when you're the person fighting the bigger number. There is a lot of skill involved when you're fighting outnumbered. There are players, you know, who don't want to zerg others down and choose to fight in small groups.Unfortunate magicka warden main.
PC/NA Server
Fairweather Friends
Retired to baby bgs forever. Leave me alone.1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »Canned_Apples wrote: »It's not that they suck...it's that they don't bother changing out their abilities, gear, or even CP.
You also have to remember that the majority of pvp players run in zergs- so there's even less "skill" involved than for pve.
I only swap out my gear for vets and some-dlc dungeons.
99% of PvP is basically a numbers game and out-numbering your opponent to where they have little chance at winning - especially in Cyrodil. That is the number one tactic used. So I'll never understand those who think PvP has so much more "skill" involved when compared to PvE.
Except when you're the person fighting the bigger number. There is a lot of skill involved when you're fighting outnumbered. There are players, you know, who don't want to zerg others down and choose to fight in small groups.
I take your point. But that would mean losing (as you are likely going to do if the odds are weighed heavily against you) is not a matter of skill or the lack there of - but merely the fact you were outnumbered and no amount of "skill" is going to save you.
My point was it's more about the numbers than the actual skill of the players involved.Edited by Jeremy on April 28, 2019 10:48PM0 -
DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »Canned_Apples wrote: »It's not that they suck...it's that they don't bother changing out their abilities, gear, or even CP.
You also have to remember that the majority of pvp players run in zergs- so there's even less "skill" involved than for pve.
I only swap out my gear for vets and some-dlc dungeons.
99% of PvP is basically a numbers game and out-numbering your opponent to where they have little chance at winning - especially in Cyrodil. That is the number one tactic used. So I'll never understand those who think PvP has so much more "skill" involved when compared to PvE.
Except when you're the person fighting the bigger number. There is a lot of skill involved when you're fighting outnumbered. There are players, you know, who don't want to zerg others down and choose to fight in small groups.
I take your point. But that would mean losing (as you are likely going to do if the odds are weighed heavily against you) is not a matter of skill or the lack there of - but merely the fact you were outnumbered and no amount of "skill" is going to save you.
My point was it's more about the numbers than the actual skill of the players involved.
That's not true at all, actually. You can win outnumbered. You build for it, you learn to always expect to be outnumbered, and often you can win. Sure, 2 people aren't going to take out 20, but 2 people can take out 5-10, and that is where the fun and skill comes from that playstyle.
Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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russelmmendoza✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont believe that high ranking pvp players are bad at pve.
They know their stuff and can kick ass in pve.
There are lots of scrubs doing pve, their numbers are enough to *** the hell out of players doing pledges. Their not all pvp players venturing into pve for their first time.0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭russelmmendoza wrote: »I dont believe that high ranking pvp players are bad at pve.
They know their stuff and can kick ass in pve.
There are lots of scrubs doing pve, their numbers are enough to *** the hell out of players doing pledges. Their not all pvp players venturing into pve for their first time.
I don't believe one way or another, but you are either clueless or really lazy if use your s&b (and/or heavy armor) to DPS in PvE. I would never judge how people arrive, as they might need to swap gear once they arrive in the dungeon. (Though what could they possible be doing while waiting to get in as a DPS that used s&b.) But if after after the first mob encounter they didn't go "whoops" and swap gear in vet DLC, you have to question them. Either they are clueless about builds, or they refuse to change their PvP meta build for PvE.
Then again, they might figure their PvP build DPS is as good as the average PUG dps.0 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm loving the figjam in this thread, but some of you should bear in mind the biggest mouths generaly are the ones that can't back it up.
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