Just kicked 2 players from a dungeon

MrBrownstone

So I just entered Veteran Frostvault with my healer. Tank had 25k hp and a 2H. One of the DDs had 1h&Shield. We couldn't get past the first boss. When I saw PvE players talking about kicking PvP players from dungeons last week, I just thought that it was a joke (because from my perspective, most of the PvP players are good at PvE anyway) but apparently this is a thing indeed, those group members also had high Alliance Rank so I guess it's true that there are PvP players that suck in PvE. Maybe don't join Veteran next time? Normal difficulty pledges give the reward box anyway.

I play both PvP and PvE frequently and I don't think it's too hard to do both. It's your decision to dedicate yourself to only one of them but then act accordingly. Those PvE players complaining about Cyrodiil were ridiculous enough and now we get this? At least PvE players' complains didn't affect my in-game experience but now this is going to affect me. Don't join Veteran DLC Dungeons if you're clueless.

MrBrownstone

Another dungeon:

This time a DD queued as a Tank for a VETERAN dungeon. The event is really fun...

Waffennacht

Hrm, should we start (we being PvP players) start saying this is an exploit? (Obviously not, but my point is made)

It's true, many PvP are not nearly as good at PvE, many also want a carry

I try to always keep two of each

Mr_Walker

Unless you really really want the helm, why are you doing vet dungeons in an event week? You know it attracts a whole lot of people looking for carries. Happens every time.

DisgracefulMind

w00000w ur griefing the pvpers, how could u

mattaeus01b16_ESO

Most players like this, will Q for a dungeon as a Tank. Knowing that most likely, they wont get kicked because the Q is so long for a real Tank.
I usually try talking to them before I kick them, cause hey! They might not know. You know "I just grinded out my first toon over a week to CP level and I have NO CLUE HOW TO PLAY!!" *Thanks ZoS*
If that fails, I will vote to kick. If the party wont kick, I leave. I have better things to do then waist my time with groups like that.
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Theres really nothing else you can do. Punish them, punish yourself, or punish everyone for endless hours of dieing, and learning nothing.

idk

It’s a fallacy of to think most PvP players are good at PvE. Many bad PvE players go to PvP because they are bad.

It is also a fallacy to mix alliance rank with skill. Many players have gained a lot of AP via zergs and it merely takes longevity of that behavior to make it to high alliance ranks.

This is not to reflect on all PvP players. There are great PvP players and many are great at PvE. It’s just to say there are many bad players in both PvP and PvE.

therift

I wouldn't dare run my PvP characters through vet dungeons, and I only run PvE group content with friends and guildies.

But then... I'm not a greedy idiot.

Davor

Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.

Kikke

just queued with 3 mates for one of the pledges. Got a 2h + 1h/shield tank... he was always staying behind not doing anything.

Once we said to him once that if he just stood around we would kick him, he started to join the fight.

Think I'l be kicking a lot of PvPers over the week. Jupp.

wishlist14

Stop being so self righteous. Just as pve players got one shot in pvp but wanted to get their Tharn pages and put up with the grief, so are pvpers entitled to do any dungeons. It's not their fault that they dont realise how difficult a dungeon can be...maybe they had done fungal grotto 1 on vet and then thought they could do another vet dungeon but didnt realise it would be so much harder.

Also note all the amazing helpful pro pvp players that kept the towns safe so questers could do their quests. Now pvers are going to shame pvpers?

Don't accuse players'motivations ....you don't know what their experience of pve is. It could have been an innocent misjudgement. It's great the players are having a go. If eso didnt want this then they would lock ppl out.

You could explain the situtation and give advice.

I play both so I can see both sides and this is a one off event...we work together ...

ManwithBeard9

Had to initiate a kick today, DPS standing at the start the whole time. In nFG2 even.

Zacuel

Called it xD

IzzyStardust

wishlist14 wrote: »

Stop being so self righteous. Just as pve players got one shot in pvp but wanted to get their Tharn pages and put up with the grief, so are pvpers entitled to do any dungeons. It's not their fault that they dont realise how difficult a dungeon can be...maybe they had done fungal grotto 1 on vet and then thought they could do another vet dungeon but didnt realise it would be so much harder.

Also note all the amazing helpful pro pvp players that kept the towns safe so questers could do their quests. Now pvers are going to shame pvpers?

Don't accuse players'motivations ....you don't know what their experience of pve is. It could have been an innocent misjudgement. It's great the players are having a go. If eso didnt want this then they would lock ppl out.

You could explain the situtation and give advice.

I play both so I can see both sides and this is a one off event...we work together ...

You CAN NOT explain someone through VET Frostvault who is tanking with a 2h or doing really low dps.

Just do normals if you are plebby - and then it's not a problem.

Jhalin

See the thing is, those people who got kicked are perfectly able to still complete their pledges as a two-man and have no effect on other players who want good dps and knowledgeable tanks

In the PvP event you were just SoL because other players could halt your progress completely

MrBrownstone

Oh and btw I don't get this whole "PvPers and PvErs" separation. Why don't you just enjoy the game as a whole? I mostly play with my irl friends and the first thing we do after entering the game is Daily Dungeon & Battlegrounds. I mean I don't get all the hate towards any of these.

PvPers can take their time to learn about mechanics and do some dps parses to improve.

PvErs can stop being so afraid of getting killed by an actual player instead of AI and accept the fact that this is a game and losing a battle has no actual consequences.

Some mandatory PvE skills are locked behind PvP and some (many) mandatory PvP gear is locked behind PvE. It's almost like ZOS wants players to experience both PvP and PvE.

Cundu_Ertur

idk wrote: »

It’s just to say there are many bad players in both PvP and PvE.

Like me!

Don't worry, not queuing for dungeons this week.

I can't speak for all lousy players, just for myself, but I'll be grinding out as many quests as I can next week to make up for the 3 per toon per day that I won't get this week. I'll learn pledge mechanics on a more fortuitous occasion. Sadly for the PVP'ers I'll probably be inflicting myself upon them a couple times more in the coming week. Then again, 2 of the 3 alliances may be glad to see me.

Drako_Ei

Davor wrote: »

Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.

Honestly? He is saying to not queue as tank for vet dlc if you cant tank

zyk

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

Oh and btw I don't get this whole "PvPers and PvErs" separation.

The hate is from addiction. Loot boxes have the same kind of impact psychologically as scatch cards which have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be addictive.

When addicts don't get their fix, they and those around them tend to have a bad experience.

The actual separation in this case is loot box fiend vs non-loot box fiend. PVP regulars were also raging because their loot box grinding on unprepared alts was interrupted. Players who have farmed hundreds of doors are complaining about door farmers. It's rich.

Steelshiv

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

So I just entered Veteran Frostvault with my healer. Tank had 25k hp and a 2H. One of the DDs had 1h&Shield. We couldn't get past the first boss. When I saw PvE players talking about kicking PvP players from dungeons last week, I just thought that it was a joke (because from my perspective, most of the PvP players are good at PvE anyway) but apparently this is a thing indeed, those group members also had high Alliance Rank so I guess it's true that there are PvP players that suck in PvE. Maybe don't join Veteran next time? Normal difficulty pledges give the reward box anyway.

I play both PvP and PvE frequently and I don't think it's too hard to do both. It's your decision to dedicate yourself to only one of them but then act accordingly. Those PvE players complaining about Cyrodiil were ridiculous enough and now we get this? At least PvE players' complains didn't affect my in-game experience but now this is going to affect me. Don't join Veteran DLC Dungeons if you're clueless.

I pretty much only PvP and only go to PvE land to run a dungeon or trial for drops. Even with this being the case, I can recognize that PvP and PvE require different builds/armour/knowledge and I plan accordingly.

Was probably just some PUGs misplaced anger at the stupidly long Cyrodiil queue last week d/t questing.

Davor

Drako_Ei wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

Oh, another person who needs to tell others how to play the game.

Honestly? He is saying to not queue as tank for vet dlc if you cant tank

I should have put this in the quote.

It's your decision to dedicate yourself to only one of them but then act accordingly.

so basically telling people if they are not dedicated they shouldn't be playing.

Dedicate yourself? Really? for some people they want to just have fun and not be a "gamer jock". There is an even going on. So lots of people who normally stay away want to participate. After all, isn't that what it is suppose to do? Bring us all together and try something we normally don't do?

What the original poster should do is form a group of like minded people then he can be kicked out for not being so good.

Zavijah

You're only booting them based on the fact they aren't equipped to deal with the task at hand; and I would too.

I would't take this as a pve vs pvp thing. It's not spiteful, just merciless. But justified.

Anyone with half a clue is going to prepare their characters for the content they are going in to.

Ackwalan

What is really amazing, is that you got the dungeon finder to actually work.

Elong

Toxic pvers griefing poor pvpers. Disgusting to see.

zyk

I think booting anyone from a Group Finder PUG for performance reasons is pretty toxic. If you join a PUG, you should do your very best to make it work. Otherwise, stick to playing with your friends.

I say that as someone who doesn't use the Group Finder because I'm not prepared to deal with a PUG.

So many players are unwilling to own their decisions. If you go to Cyro, you might get ganked. If you join a pug, it might suck.

ManwithBeard9

zyk wrote: »

I think booting anyone from a Group Finder PUG for performance reasons is pretty toxic. If you join a PUG, you should do your very best to make it work. Otherwise, stick to playing with your friends.

I say that as someone who doesn't use the Group Finder because I'm not prepared to deal with a PUG.

You mean just like the people that are queueing as an improper role for their build? You know, people that aren't doing their best intentionally?

xF1REFL1x

zyk wrote: »

I think booting anyone from a Group Finder PUG for performance reasons is pretty toxic. If you join a PUG, you should do your very best to make it work. Otherwise, stick to playing with your friends.

I say that as someone who doesn't use the Group Finder because I'm not prepared to deal with a PUG.

I would think this is based on the doing Vet Dungeons and not Normal... if your not equipped... just do normal... it is not very hard or time consuming. I will help anyone in normal... just message me. I'm on Xbox and a PvE player.

Gilvoth

this is not new, the PVE'rs have been doing this for YEARs to us pvp players.
we hated it, and we even got hate whispers, but we never complained.

it will get worse now with that new dps tool, people will make lists about your numbers and you will be booted as soon they see u dont have the numbers they like. they just look up your name on a huge spread sheet online.
i think it not good for eso as a whole.

Ackwalan

zyk wrote: »

I think booting anyone from a Group Finder PUG for performance reasons is pretty toxic. If you join a PUG, you should do your very best to make it work. Otherwise, stick to playing with your friends.

I say that as someone who doesn't use the Group Finder because I'm not prepared to deal with a PUG.

So many players are unwilling to own their decisions. If you go to Cyro, you might get ganked. If you join a pug, it might suck.

So if someone joins a group and is unprepared to fill their role, the group should carry them. By that reasoning, if someone enters Cyro and is not prepared for PvP, other should give them a break.

Gilvoth

Ackwalan wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

I think booting anyone from a Group Finder PUG for performance reasons is pretty toxic. If you join a PUG, you should do your very best to make it work. Otherwise, stick to playing with your friends.

I say that as someone who doesn't use the Group Finder because I'm not prepared to deal with a PUG.

So many players are unwilling to own their decisions. If you go to Cyro, you might get ganked. If you join a pug, it might suck.

So if someone joins a group and is unprepared to fill their role, the group should carry them. By that reasoning, if someone enters Cyro and is not prepared for PvP, other should give them a break.

thats one week out of the whole year, not to be comparable.
and you know what, those groups in cryodiil only ask people to stay follow the crown, they only kick people if you dont follow the group, so this is totaly not the same as pve.

ArchMikem

The moral of the story is you can bring your PvE builds into Cyrodiil and do well, but you can't bring your PvP builds into Dungeons at all. Unless you're a DW or caster.