Nightblades are still strong

Gilvoth · April 2019

MentalxHammer wrote: »

You are underplaying the nerf to dark cloak, this allowed for NBs to play brawler builds and stand face to face with other strong brawler classes. Now we are forced into playing a cloak gank playstyle, something many people refuse to do. The NB brawler playstyle is being pulled out from under our feet, sure little gankers will be fine...

nightblade never came with the ability to play in that style
it has allways been the only stealth class in eso.
people begged and pleaded for a heal on it, and now it has become overpowered in the heal department and its leaving the rogue stealth type playstyle it was intended for.

kaithuzar · April 2019

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not surprised that you celebrate these "nerfs" (can't even call it nerfs, it's more like removing light and med armor Nb from the game) since you're crying about months about how OP Nb is. Disgusting.

Yep, the lost of major fracture on your 15K surprise attack literraly makes it unplayable now.

15K surprise attack tooltip lol. Keep posting your build editor screenshots with all buffs available to make skills look OP. Power Extraction now has pretty much 93% of Surprise Attacks damage, yeah that's fine...

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=115798

Buffs are:
Tri stat potion
Rally
Weapon Damage Enchant
C. Attack

Surprise attack tooltip: 15288

Lets remove c attack:

Surprise attack tooltip: 14264

And thats without damage sets as you can seem just shackle bone Pirate and Bloodspawn. Full sustain. And race is redguard, imagine orc for even more damage.

Ok, I've tested on live server with Bone Pirate and Spriggan, 3x wpndmg enchant, infused wpndmg glyph, nirn 2h weapon and don't even come close to your tooltips, your build editor is buggy for sure. Explain me how you get up to 5k wpndmg with Shackle + Bone without running infused trait on your jewelry (which you didn't). Replicate this on PTS otherwise I call *** on this build editor. Do you play the class on live or do you just hang around in build editor?

Why spriggan? I am using Shackle and Bone.

And the build editor is not bugged. Try to recreate the build. Warrior mundus and so on. Spriggan 5 piece doesnt effect tooltips at all.

Spriggan has the same effect on the tooltip as Shacklebreaker has? I did try to recreate this and I don't come close to it, so explain please how you get to 5k wpndmg with bone + shackle and without infused jewelry on a Redguard.

@Ragnaroek93

Its a bit different then on build Editor. Its still same sets. The only different:

Triune Juwelry
No Undaunted

If you still dont trust me i can also upload a video showing every Item, Skill, CP, Buff etc. Sure wp is like 100 less weapon damage, but as i said, it varies a bit and i just have weapon on Gold, everything else is purple.

Looks like an alchemist 5 piece to me!
Let me know how it goes fighting a stam necro on PTS; & show your buffs next time you post a screenshot

Just take him up on his offer to show you lolol. I don't understand the dude has great stats for sure so what's the problem? Almost 5k weapon dmg 40% crit and has 35k+ Stam and even has 25+k hp....... So what's the problem? If you can't kill with those stats please come let me farm you for ap all day every day 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

BOTH of you,
Can meet me in Cyrodiil PC NA,
On my 1 & only character- magblade

And, if you win, it only proves my point that magblade has been in the gutter for the last 2 patches.

kaithuzar · April 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

You are underplaying the nerf to dark cloak, this allowed for NBs to play brawler builds and stand face to face with other strong brawler classes. Now we are forced into playing a cloak gank playstyle, something many people refuse to do. The NB brawler playstyle is being pulled out from under our feet, sure little gankers will be fine...

nightblade never came with the ability to play in that style
it has allways been the only stealth class in eso.
people begged and pleaded for a heal on it, and now it has become overpowered in the heal department and its leaving the rogue stealth type playstyle it was intended for.

“Some” people begged & pleaded for a heal primarily because:
Vitality was removed from swallow soul
Sap had reduced healing
Healing ward was nerfed

Would you not ask for a heal if every standard method of healing you currently use was nerfed???

heng14rwb17_ESO · April 2019

DELETE NB NOW !
NOW !

Ecfigies · April 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

Hello Forumblades,

I just wanted to point out a few things cause i mostly see Nightblades saying the class is dead and unplayable now without really saying why.

I was going over the changes done in Update 22 and dont really see any big and class destroying Things.

1. Incap trading Major Defile for Minor Mangle
PvE: Doesnt effect it at all
PvP: Minor Mangle is a strong debuff and reduces Health by 2k when you just have 20k and gets even stronger the more health your target got. Makes it effective against high Health builds.

2. Grim Focus loosing minor berserk/minor endurance
PvE: In an optimized group you have a healer with Combat prayer that is giving you minor berserk so you get this buff anyway. Also you have the best sustain out of all classes dps wise and i think you can handle a loss of 10% stam Recovery.
PvP: you lost minor berserk but gained Minor Vulnerability wich is a much more potent damage increase. And for loosing minor endurance maybe its time to put 1 stam Recovery glyph instead of all weapon damage. You already get 15% more Recovery just by a passive... Come on....

Fear
PvE: Dont think anyone seriously using that...
PvP: You lost snare and Maim on it but you can fear Up to 6! Targets. And you lock them in place now. A spammable CC for 6 targets... Jesus.

Dark cloak:
Heal got less but you also have a longer uptime in minor protection

Shade:
Got buffed, esspecially on stambuilds

Surprise attack loosing major fracture:
PvE: The tank already provides this debuff. With the new debuff to resist you can reduce resist now even more
PvP: Suprise attack already got the highest tooltip out of every single target spammable with Instant damage. Also providing major fracture and proccing your armor buffs passively was really overloaded. Every other class need to either slot ransack (way less damage compared to surp Attack while doing the exact same thing in pvp) or a secondary skill to get major fracture (noxios, sub assault). So Nightblades just got put in line with other classes and their acces to major fracture.

So in general, PvE wise nothing really changed and PvP wise Nightblades just lost some damage while being the number one single target damage class. And guess what, they will still be a top Tier class.

Why you all saying Nightblades got destroyed and are useless now?

They lost too much damage, that's why the complainings, almost all buffs gaven it's useless too, Minor Mangle only last for the duration of the stun, Minor Vunerability it's a single target debuff with a skill that hardly some good NB uses, hardly compared to Minor Berseker as buff, a lot of lost, little in gains, not even balanced, these aren't balanced these are nerfs intend to dimish damage. NB will be still around, removing some damage tools will hurt the class greatly, but they will survive.

Not a dead end but definly not a happy one, but it was expected.

Iskiab · April 2019

Dark cloak OP? What nonsense is this. You’re giving up the ability to cloak, name me one - just one class with worse self healing and I’ll take it seriously. Right now saying dark cloak is OP on live is ridiculous. I think the change was intended to buff dark cloak but it’s too small of a heal.

darkblue5 · April 2019

PVP Magblade either needs some healing that doesn't help endgame PVE dps survive or some other sort of defense. So long as magblade stays near top of dps I don't think we'll get a buff in pressure. Melee Caluurion's with destro/resto it is for another 3 months.

Gnozo · April 2019

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not surprised that you celebrate these "nerfs" (can't even call it nerfs, it's more like removing light and med armor Nb from the game) since you're crying about months about how OP Nb is. Disgusting.

Yep, the lost of major fracture on your 15K surprise attack literraly makes it unplayable now.

15K surprise attack tooltip lol. Keep posting your build editor screenshots with all buffs available to make skills look OP. Power Extraction now has pretty much 93% of Surprise Attacks damage, yeah that's fine...

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=115798

Buffs are:
Tri stat potion
Rally
Weapon Damage Enchant
C. Attack

Surprise attack tooltip: 15288

Lets remove c attack:

Surprise attack tooltip: 14264

And thats without damage sets as you can seem just shackle bone Pirate and Bloodspawn. Full sustain. And race is redguard, imagine orc for even more damage.

Ok, I've tested on live server with Bone Pirate and Spriggan, 3x wpndmg enchant, infused wpndmg glyph, nirn 2h weapon and don't even come close to your tooltips, your build editor is buggy for sure. Explain me how you get up to 5k wpndmg with Shackle + Bone without running infused trait on your jewelry (which you didn't). Replicate this on PTS otherwise I call *** on this build editor. Do you play the class on live or do you just hang around in build editor?

Why spriggan? I am using Shackle and Bone.

And the build editor is not bugged. Try to recreate the build. Warrior mundus and so on. Spriggan 5 piece doesnt effect tooltips at all.

Spriggan has the same effect on the tooltip as Shacklebreaker has? I did try to recreate this and I don't come close to it, so explain please how you get to 5k wpndmg with bone + shackle and without infused jewelry on a Redguard.

@Ragnaroek93

Its a bit different then on build Editor. Its still same sets. The only different:

Triune Juwelry
No Undaunted

If you still dont trust me i can also upload a video showing every Item, Skill, CP, Buff etc. Sure wp is like 100 less weapon damage, but as i said, it varies a bit and i just have weapon on Gold, everything else is purple.

Yeah whatever, you're in sneak and probably with continues attacks. Should edit my picture above and slot a nirn 2h weapon on magden just to push the tooltip even further...

Just play your bone + shackle nb on pts and realise how bad the class is now against anybody who doesn't try to facetank your whole damage. Whatever I'm done with this your argumentation, with this balance and with this game anyways.

Edit: Link your SA tooltip now without continues attacks and without sneak buff in the actual game instead of build editor.

Edit 2: Did you even try the class on PTS or is just a "feeling" that Nbs are still strong?

You bet me to prove 5k weapon is possible in bone shackle. I did and the only thing you come up with is "ye, whatever". I told you its fully buffed. I said its in sneak with c. Attack. Nothing i didnt told you.

And even without c. Attack and Sneak its still about 4300 weapon damage. Wich is enough to kill everyone in cyro.

Anyway, i agree that grim Focus is now pretty bad cause it only gives the bow proc and either the initial cast should be free or at least give some minor buff for the duration. ( Even tho i never said grim focus is still a good skill after the nerfs)

You could also come up with some ideas on how to reduce Nightblades damage instead of what devs came up with. No, you just complain. Everyone knows Nightblades damage was too strong and in the need of a nerf. What are your ideas? Or you just continue crying about Nightblades and duel in alikr with proc sets?

Dracane · April 2019

I like that Nightblades loose some of their passive overload. Grim Focus granting minor berserk was one of my main pain points for the longest time.

But surprise attack, even though it has high base damage, feels a bit boring to me now. The 5% armor melt is nice, but boring. I would like to see surprise attack getting something to make it less boring.
Grim Focus should definately loose the cost of its initial cast. Or at least reduce the cost.

Minor Mangle on Incap Strike is so stupid.

At least let it last for the entire 6 seconds.

highnds · April 2019

I like the idea of a reduced cost for Relentless Focus if it's being stripped "bonuses". Should cost maybe a tad more than Leeching Strikes.

Iskiab · April 2019

highnds wrote: »

I like the idea of a reduced cost for Relentless Focus if it's being stripped "bonuses". Should cost maybe a tad more than Leeching Strikes.

Agreed. As is it should be free to cast and have the proc cost resources. Have the true cost the missed GCD and skill slot.

Cundu_Ertur · April 2019

Seriously, what is the point of Grim Focus now? It does nothing. At all. Just nothing. No damage, no buff, no debuff to the enemy, no special move, just a box full of nothing. Only after you (maybe) get 5 hits that register can you cast it again as Assassin's Will/Scourge.
I can't find any other skill for any other class or line that does absolutely nothing until you cast it again after meeting other conditions. Am I missing one?

OtarTheMad · April 2019

I agree with the OP, Nightblades are just fine. Maybe some fine tuning here and there but overall it's still a very strong class.

Jagdkommando · April 2019

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Seriously, what is the point of Grim Focus now? It does nothing. At all. Just nothing. No damage, no buff, no debuff to the enemy, no special move, just a box full of nothing. Only after you (maybe) get 5 hits that register can you cast it again as Assassin's Will/Scourge.
I can't find any other skill for any other class or line that does absolutely nothing until you cast it again after meeting other conditions. Am I missing one?

+1

Iskiab · April 2019

I doubt it will go live as is, but you never know. Since the buff casting portion is a dead GCD and a resource drain is it even a dps increase using it in pve? Anyone parse it out on test?

John_Falstaff · April 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

I doubt it will go live as is, but you never know. Since the buff casting portion is a dead GCD and a resource drain is it even a dps increase using it in pve? Anyone parse it out on test?

Sort of shouldn't be a decrease compared to live. The longer duration compensates for it (for typical PvE stamina recovery values with buff food, will be within ~10 regen difference before and after nerf, give or take), and, provided that healer and tank give 100% uptime on Berserk and Fracture, nothing technically have changed. But of course, in real content, there won't be such a thing as 100% uptimes, that's already another matter.

KatySpirit · April 2019

Nightblade healer is still hurting from the damage reduction of Funnel Health that helped us do extra damage while healing. The skill that costs health to use (Offering? idk I don't use it) is useless because as healer if I die so do the DPS. We have no class-specific burst heal, but thankfully Combat Prayer serves that role unless the DPS is using me as a meatshield and I can't hit them with it

A lack of group buffs and synergies means the only thing NB healer offers is the 3% healing per siphoning skill on bar, which is really good to boot our heals over time, but would be better if more siphoning skills were worth slotting.

Nightblade tank went from being very squishy pre-burst self heal to being a really good tanking class. Still lacking in group buffs, but the potion ultimate passive at least made it easy to use war horn often. Unfortunately, with the nerf to Dark Cloak, combined with the removal of the health buff from slotting Swallow Soul that already hit them, they are no longer going to be as strong as tanks. And I get it, this is to sell Necro which looks like an amazing tank, but I would like them to balance it out after everyone has purchased the new class and give Nightblade its slightly bursty self heal back

or just do it now because it isn't going to stop ME from buying Necromancer class.

Magblade pve DPS has been slowly being pulled down over several patches now, and it's very frustrating that this is apparently all the result of stamblades in pvp. Newsflash: the signature ability to turn invisible does NOTHING for us in pve. We have no edge there. We have very few self buffs, one group buff (stamina based so useless to magic builds), and our damage skills are for the most part weaker than other classes. Execute--sorcerer's is stronger. DoTs--do about half the damage that sorcerer's do. (Only using sorc because I have a sorc DPS to compare with, but I believe the same is true of templar and dragonknight, while magwarden on the other hand really needs some love and buffing.) The only skill that really does hit harder than anyone takes 5 successful light attacks within 20 seconds and costs twice to use, but it is a good skill and until this patch it helped us to boost our weaker attacks by giving us a buff that we could make sure we kept up instead of relying on healers. Now it will give no buff when the more needed change would be for it to give a group buff.

Idk about stamblade since I really don't play it. I know it is currently very strong and since I see fewer stamblades complaining I assume they were OP and know it and perhaps this balance will be okay for them. It still seems like nightblade is being funneled into only playing stamina DPS because the changes continue to hurt the other THREE gameplay options much more.

Why play nightblade anymore? It is a really fun class to play! It still has some good things about it-- great sustain, DPS self heals are still good, Merciless Resolve requires timing and planning to make work so there is challenge that currently still gives good rewards, and a lot of fun and interesting abilities that don't force us to mainly use weapon skills or skill lines available to everyone. So many builds have cookie cutter skills which is a shame. I would like to see other classes boosted up to what nightblade has in terms of interesting and useful skills, rather than see nightblade's skills slowly gutted so that it is more beneficial to just use guild and weapon skills. I want to see class changes (for any class) that encourage us to use their unique skills!

Nightblade's biggest overall weakness is that it is selfish. The few buffs it has are mainly for itself, and it no longer can heal the group as a DPS. It needs more synergies and group buffs. It does not need to be weakened (at least not the magblades, tankblades, or healblades). It sounds like a lot of players, even those that do not play nightblade, agree that the changes made to every nightblade other than stamblade are not in a logical direction.

colossalvoids · April 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

I doubt it will go live as is, but you never know. Since the buff casting portion is a dead GCD and a resource drain is it even a dps increase using it in pve? Anyone parse it out on test?

On a new raid dummy I've got 1-2k difference in a favour of bow proc versus slotting passive skills/shade(with bugged pet damage right now it's a 2k gain even) on +-80k ranges but gained more sustain without it and hell of a boring rotation, even stamsorc is more fun to use (and deals almost the same damage).
Are hand fatigue, bad sustain and dynamic rotation really worth 1-2k? Depends on a player. I will probably use it still but more as a flex spot, role-playing dynamic rotation without real gain is not optimal sometimes.
And off my bar in pvp obviously on both mag and stam, RAT and Hunter are lot more appealing.

Iskiab · April 2019

colossalvoids wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I doubt it will go live as is, but you never know. Since the buff casting portion is a dead GCD and a resource drain is it even a dps increase using it in pve? Anyone parse it out on test?

On a new raid dummy I've got 1-2k difference in a favour of bow proc versus slotting passive skills/shade(with bugged pet damage right now it's a 2k gain even) on +-80k ranges but gained more sustain without it and hell of a boring rotation, even stamsorc is more fun to use (and deals almost the same damage).
Are hand fatigue, bad sustain and dynamic rotation really worth 1-2k? Depends on a player. I will probably use it still but more as a flex spot, role-playing dynamic rotation without real gain is not optimal sometimes.
And off my bar in pvp obviously on both mag and stam, RAT and Hunter are lot more appealing.

Interesting. Have you tried replacing it with another damage ability? Lotus fan’s DD plus dot could be a good candidate. The raid simulator dummies have minor vulnerability applied do they not? Otherwise the minor vulnerability from lotus fan would make testing it problematic.

It would also remove the need for a healer or magsorc to use IA.

Ragnaroek93 · April 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not surprised that you celebrate these "nerfs" (can't even call it nerfs, it's more like removing light and med armor Nb from the game) since you're crying about months about how OP Nb is. Disgusting.

Yep, the lost of major fracture on your 15K surprise attack literraly makes it unplayable now.

15K surprise attack tooltip lol. Keep posting your build editor screenshots with all buffs available to make skills look OP. Power Extraction now has pretty much 93% of Surprise Attacks damage, yeah that's fine...

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=115798

Buffs are:
Tri stat potion
Rally
Weapon Damage Enchant
C. Attack

Surprise attack tooltip: 15288

Lets remove c attack:

Surprise attack tooltip: 14264

And thats without damage sets as you can seem just shackle bone Pirate and Bloodspawn. Full sustain. And race is redguard, imagine orc for even more damage.

Ok, I've tested on live server with Bone Pirate and Spriggan, 3x wpndmg enchant, infused wpndmg glyph, nirn 2h weapon and don't even come close to your tooltips, your build editor is buggy for sure. Explain me how you get up to 5k wpndmg with Shackle + Bone without running infused trait on your jewelry (which you didn't). Replicate this on PTS otherwise I call *** on this build editor. Do you play the class on live or do you just hang around in build editor?

Why spriggan? I am using Shackle and Bone.

And the build editor is not bugged. Try to recreate the build. Warrior mundus and so on. Spriggan 5 piece doesnt effect tooltips at all.

Spriggan has the same effect on the tooltip as Shacklebreaker has? I did try to recreate this and I don't come close to it, so explain please how you get to 5k wpndmg with bone + shackle and without infused jewelry on a Redguard.

@Ragnaroek93

Its a bit different then on build Editor. Its still same sets. The only different:

Triune Juwelry
No Undaunted

If you still dont trust me i can also upload a video showing every Item, Skill, CP, Buff etc. Sure wp is like 100 less weapon damage, but as i said, it varies a bit and i just have weapon on Gold, everything else is purple.

Yeah whatever, you're in sneak and probably with continues attacks. Should edit my picture above and slot a nirn 2h weapon on magden just to push the tooltip even further...

Just play your bone + shackle nb on pts and realise how bad the class is now against anybody who doesn't try to facetank your whole damage. Whatever I'm done with this your argumentation, with this balance and with this game anyways.

Edit: Link your SA tooltip now without continues attacks and without sneak buff in the actual game instead of build editor.

Edit 2: Did you even try the class on PTS or is just a "feeling" that Nbs are still strong?

You bet me to prove 5k weapon is possible in bone shackle. I did and the only thing you come up with is "ye, whatever". I told you its fully buffed. I said its in sneak with c. Attack. Nothing i didnt told you.

And even without c. Attack and Sneak its still about 4300 weapon damage. Wich is enough to kill everyone in cyro.

Anyway, i agree that grim Focus is now pretty bad cause it only gives the bow proc and either the initial cast should be free or at least give some minor buff for the duration. ( Even tho i never said grim focus is still a good skill after the nerfs)

You could also come up with some ideas on how to reduce Nightblades damage instead of what devs came up with. No, you just complain. Everyone knows Nightblades damage was too strong and in the need of a nerf. What are your ideas? Or you just continue crying about Nightblades and duel in alikr with proc sets?

So, after testing on PTS it's pretty safe to say that Nb isn't fine when they don't have a single niche in which they are better than a magsorc, at least not the builds which I tested (they have less burst, less dps, are more squishy and have less mobility because of the new rat). It's a pure potatoe smasher class now and even for that other classes are better.

colossalvoids · April 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I doubt it will go live as is, but you never know. Since the buff casting portion is a dead GCD and a resource drain is it even a dps increase using it in pve? Anyone parse it out on test?

On a new raid dummy I've got 1-2k difference in a favour of bow proc versus slotting passive skills/shade(with bugged pet damage right now it's a 2k gain even) on +-80k ranges but gained more sustain without it and hell of a boring rotation, even stamsorc is more fun to use (and deals almost the same damage).
Are hand fatigue, bad sustain and dynamic rotation really worth 1-2k? Depends on a player. I will probably use it still but more as a flex spot, role-playing dynamic rotation without real gain is not optimal sometimes.
And off my bar in pvp obviously on both mag and stam, RAT and Hunter are lot more appealing.

Interesting. Have you tried replacing it with another damage ability? Lotus fan’s DD plus dot could be a good candidate. The raid simulator dummies have minor vulnerability applied do they not? Otherwise the minor vulnerability from lotus fan would make testing it problematic.

It would also remove the need for a healer or magsorc to use IA.

Had time to play with a lot of stuff but not with ambush and morphs as I believe it had vuln applied already as it's a common debuff (but will check next time I'll log in).
At least it can be tested with a regular 6 mil.
For organised groups it can be a lot better option, yes.

Iskiab · April 2019

colossalvoids wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I doubt it will go live as is, but you never know. Since the buff casting portion is a dead GCD and a resource drain is it even a dps increase using it in pve? Anyone parse it out on test?

On a new raid dummy I've got 1-2k difference in a favour of bow proc versus slotting passive skills/shade(with bugged pet damage right now it's a 2k gain even) on +-80k ranges but gained more sustain without it and hell of a boring rotation, even stamsorc is more fun to use (and deals almost the same damage).
Are hand fatigue, bad sustain and dynamic rotation really worth 1-2k? Depends on a player. I will probably use it still but more as a flex spot, role-playing dynamic rotation without real gain is not optimal sometimes.
And off my bar in pvp obviously on both mag and stam, RAT and Hunter are lot more appealing.

Interesting. Have you tried replacing it with another damage ability? Lotus fan’s DD plus dot could be a good candidate. The raid simulator dummies have minor vulnerability applied do they not? Otherwise the minor vulnerability from lotus fan would make testing it problematic.

It would also remove the need for a healer or magsorc to use IA.

Had time to play with a lot of stuff but not with ambush and morphs as I believe it had vuln applied already as it's a common debuff (but will check next time I'll log in).
At least it can be tested with a regular 6 mil.
For organised groups it can be a lot better option, yes.

Nice, that will fix some of the boring rotation issues. Lotus Fan being a gap closer and port will make using it interesting. I played another game as a DD with a gap closer in the rotation - Rift. You’d need to figure out where you can and can’t use it - like in HoF will it port you off the platform? Is there a mechanic about to go off where porting will kill you?

Using it becomes about timing to compete for the highest class parse on that boss, something that might start happening with ESO logs. Way better to compete based on combat logs from in game playing then dummy humping.