Cyrodiil needs a not-locked, No CP Campaign

Enodoc · April 2019

For players who only play No-CP PvP, they will be locked out of Cyrodiil with 2/3 of their characters, since the only No-CP campaign is an Alliance-Locked one.

To ensure players can still continue to play in Cyrodiil on all their characters, there needs to be a not-locked No-CP campaign available.

Edit: @Ryanoxx raised in another thread that there is exactly the same problem for people who want to play 30-day campaigns with all their characters.

Crixus8000 · April 2019

Agree so much.

Enodoc · April 2019

Or alternatively I guess, at least 3 No-CP campaigns if they are all locked.

WillhelmBlack · April 2019

You'd have 2 half empty campaigns.

Choose your alliance. When you want to play a different alliance with friends or whatever you can assign another campaign with a different character for that. The IC campaign for example.

mnemoniclights · April 2019

I'm kind of on board with the idea of an alliance locked campaign, cool ZOS wants to stop spying and alliance switching, that's a good idea

BUT

instead of it being locked to alliances on certain characters why not just make it alliance locked in that you can play any character you have but when you enter cyrodiil you're on the alliance you chose at entering the campaign. Say I'm playing an EP character, I enter into an alliance locked campaign so now all my characters will aid EP until the campaign is over.

This would also work in letting you play with friends no matter what alliance you are, something that would help Imperial City by a lot.

Enodoc · April 2019

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

You'd have 2 half empty campaigns.

Choose your alliance. When you want to play a different alliance with friends or whatever you can assign another campaign with a different character for that. The IC campaign for example.

The problem is that there are no other No-CP campaigns. So you literally can't assign another campaign for that.

Ryanoxx · April 2019

Enodoc wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

You'd have 2 half empty campaigns.

Choose your alliance. When you want to play a different alliance with friends or whatever you can assign another campaign with a different character for that. The IC campaign for example.

The problem is that there are no other No-CP campaigns. So you literally can't assign another campaign for that.

I wanna add... if some of the campaigns will be as empty as they are right now there is no way to pvp with Chars from another faction. I've been grinding a Magblade in another faction some days ago and now I can just throw it in a trash can.

idk · April 2019

Both Zos choosing to offer both CP and non-CP campaigns as well as their initial choice to remove faction locks to begin with have lead to this issue. In other words, players are being punished as a result of a string of choices Zos has made.

However, I do not think our comments in these forums will matter as Zos has made a clear choice to do a "test" and not inform us as to what they are testing. If they are actually testing something it may taint the test to tell us.

So do not hold your breath.

Twohothardware · April 2019

Maybe on PC. On console the no cp 30 day Campaign has like 10 players at a given time.

WillhelmBlack · April 2019

Enodoc wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

You'd have 2 half empty campaigns.

Choose your alliance. When you want to play a different alliance with friends or whatever you can assign another campaign with a different character for that. The IC campaign for example.

The problem is that there are no other No-CP campaigns. So you literally can't assign another campaign for that.

I thought there was CP and no CP IC campaigns?

Varana · April 2019

How on earth are IC campaigns a substitute for Cyrodiil?

WillhelmBlack · April 2019

Varana wrote: »

How on earth are IC campaigns a substitute for Cyrodiil?

If you just wanna hang with friends, PvP together. That's what the main gripe is.

TequilaFire · April 2019

The truth is the want to farm transmutation geodes.

Varana · April 2019

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

How on earth are IC campaigns a substitute for Cyrodiil?

If you just wanna hang with friends, PvP together. That's what the main gripe is.

Confined to small spaces. Loads and loads of stupid PvE mobs. No siege or strategic layer or anything.
Really, it's not even similar. Except if you consider "hanging out with friends" to RP in your alliance base.
I don't like IC. I don't want to go there. I want to "hang out with friends" in an actual Cyrodiil campaign, not that weird and useless* PvE/PvP hybrid.

*Useless except for Tel'Var farming with a PvE char.

Alienoutlaw · April 2019

nothing to stop you playing any faction in any locked campaign, the Alliance lock just means you will not prosper from AP farming if you do so, i see nothing wrong with that at all

WillhelmBlack · April 2019

Varana wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

How on earth are IC campaigns a substitute for Cyrodiil?

If you just wanna hang with friends, PvP together. That's what the main gripe is.

Confined to small spaces. Loads and loads of stupid PvE mobs. No siege or strategic layer or anything.
Really, it's not even similar. Except if you consider "hanging out with friends" to RP in your alliance base.
I don't like IC. I don't want to go there. I want to "hang out with friends" in an actual Cyrodiil campaign, not that weird and useless* PvE/PvP hybrid.

*Useless except for Tel'Var farming with a PvE char.

Most PvP'rs I spoke to about the IC campaign have been excited. I can't wait tbh, my stam Warden will be a beast down in them sewers.

I guess you weren't around when IC came out and it was busy. Was some of the best smallscale PvP I've ever had.

Ranger209 · April 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

The truth is the want to farm transmutation geodes.

If that is the case then bump the geodes we get in the 7 day up to 12 from 10. That would make it 48 in 28 days which is a better ratio than 50 in 30 days by an ever so slight margin. It would be 0.05 geodes per day more in the 7 day than in the 30 day. Then geode farming would actually be preferable on the 7 day campaign. That should help split up the population among servers.

Varana · April 2019

I don't doubt that there are people who like IC.
That doesn't help players who don't. In the slightest.

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

nothing to stop you playing any faction in any locked campaign, the Alliance lock just means you will not prosper from AP farming if you do so, i see nothing wrong with that at all

I have characters in several alliances, just because I like to tie race to faction. My Dunmer are EP, my Altmer is AD, my Redguard is DC. For many players, that is a Must because they cannot freely choose a race-alliance combination.
I also play exclusively no-CP campaigns (at least for serious play). And I'd like to be flexible in what characters I play.
There is a reason why they continue to have non-faction locked campaigns, and I have no idea why they don't have one for no-CP.

FleetwoodSmack · April 2019

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

How on earth are IC campaigns a substitute for Cyrodiil?

If you just wanna hang with friends, PvP together. That's what the main gripe is.

Confined to small spaces. Loads and loads of stupid PvE mobs. No siege or strategic layer or anything.
Really, it's not even similar. Except if you consider "hanging out with friends" to RP in your alliance base.
I don't like IC. I don't want to go there. I want to "hang out with friends" in an actual Cyrodiil campaign, not that weird and useless* PvE/PvP hybrid.

*Useless except for Tel'Var farming with a PvE char.

Most PvP'rs I spoke to about the IC campaign have been excited. I can't wait tbh, my stam Warden will be a beast down in them sewers.

I guess you weren't around when IC came out and it was busy. Was some of the best smallscale PvP I've ever had.

While I agree with the sentiment (as well as fondly share it), it's still not quite the same thing that the other main gripe is; People also like siege warfare, or they just don't like it/don't have the DLC (they exist). Either way it doesn't affect me much as I'm one alliance all the way.

Side note; I can't wait for the IC to be populated again. I miss it. I just don't like the district flags, but maybe if people actually go in there and it be populated it'll be a little different.

jaws343 · April 2019

Ranger209 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

The truth is the want to farm transmutation geodes.

If that is the case then bump the geodes we get in the 7 day up to 12 from 10. That would make it 48 in 28 days which is a better ratio than 50 in 30 days by an ever so slight margin. It would be 0.05 geodes per day more in the 7 day than in the 30 day. Then geode farming would actually be preferable on the 7 day campaign. That should help split up the population among servers.

That isn't exactly true. I currently can earn 750 stones per campaign in the 30 day. That's 15 characters to tier 1. And then I play the rest of the campaign on the build I am feeling most for the month.

Getting 15 characters to tier 1 every single week is not happing. In no way cam the 7 day be considered comparable to the 30 day.

Enodoc · April 2019

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

nothing to stop you playing any faction in any locked campaign, the Alliance lock just means you will not prosper from AP farming if you do so, i see nothing wrong with that at all

The Alliance lock literally means you can't play any faction in a locked campaign. You can only play the faction that you're locked to, and characters from other factions won't be able to enter that campaign. (At least, not until the next cycle.)

Yakidafi · April 2019

Yes, this is the biggest turn off in this update for me, I have to choose which alliance characters I am going to be able to pvp with.
And to add, it will also be in 30 day campaign where I can not play in prime time.

John_1999 · April 2019

+

Yakidafi · April 2019

John_1999 wrote: »

+

Yes plus one campaign.

Feanor · April 2019

Totally agree. I have a plethora of AD characters, 2 DC characters, one EP character. I’m going to play my DC character in Bahlokdaan because that’s where my PvP guild will play. I’d like to play my other characters solo still though and not be forced to CP or IC to do so.

Jarros · April 2019

Agree completely. Already posted 2 days ago about it:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470474/please-include-a-7-day-no-cp-campaign

I think we're up to at least 3 different postings with this same request? lol
I smell a trend.

Galarthor · April 2019

mnemoniclights wrote: »

I'm kind of on board with the idea of an alliance locked campaign, cool ZOS wants to stop spying and alliance switching, that's a good idea

BUT

instead of it being locked to alliances on certain characters why not just make it alliance locked in that you can play any character you have but when you enter cyrodiil you're on the alliance you chose at entering the campaign. Say I'm playing an EP character, I enter into an alliance locked campaign so now all my characters will aid EP until the campaign is over.

This would also work in letting you play with friends no matter what alliance you are, something that would help Imperial City by a lot.

And how would that work?

Assume you are playing on a DC toon after you first entered the campaign on your EP character - i.e. you are faction locked to EP. In your model, everything your DC character does will count towards EP's Campaign Score. So assume you are standing at a DC controlled farm. Your DC character will then, just by standing there, flip the DC farm for EP. But with you being DC, neither DC player nor DC guards can stop you since they cannot attack you. This also translates to keeps and scrolls.

And if your character actually turns into an EP character, then what's the point? You could just play with your EP character instead, since you are now EP and thus only able to play with other EP players, but not with your DC friends.

Sahidom · April 2019

I support the locked campaign changes. This change has been needed and over due. However, the simplest solution to the OP problem would be to have a seven-day no-CP, non-locked campaign. It would offer an alternative for people to play their alt characters in a PVP environment they prefer over CP-enabled campaigns.

I would also disagree about the campaigns being empty; I would wager it would be the opposite effect because some of the player habit pain points would be nipped. Hence, chances are, more people may find the changed wanted and participate more.

If, ZOS introduces another seven-day no-CP, non-locked campaign than it would be a positive step resolving the OP complaint about not being able to play other faction characters in their preferred PVP environment. Its easily within their capacity to include one more campaign - the current event demonstrates this.