Faction Lock

Ryanoxx

Bahlokdaan: 30 Day No CP & Alliance Locked
Kaalgrontiid: 30 Day CP Enabled & Alliance Locked

This was what I've been afraid of for this patch and it came true. This is a problem for everyone who wants to play on a 30 Day Campaign and has his Chars in different factions. This change makes half of my chars useless. If you want to implement a change like that @zenimax please give us an Alliance Change Token for an affordable price. I don't see a reason why this is nessecary.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

@ZOS_BrianWheeler‌

Can we have some discussion with you as to why this was implemented instead of measures such as a soft account lock.
What is the goal behind the change and how do you feel the change addresses the multiple issues with faction populations and scoring cycles?

Thanks

Enodoc

Same problem with anyone who wants to play a No-CP campaign - we're discussing that over here > https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/468686/cyrodiil-needs-a-not-locked-no-cp-campaign

DreamLizard

I agree I mainly play on one faction but I will still swap to my other faction toons to play with friends I have that play different factions. Zenimax could have implimented this much better if they had just made it so you cant recieve reward tiers if another character on another alliance is already homed though I dont care about the reward tiers I simply want to play with my friends.

Ertosi

This is what I've hoped for this patch and it came true. Thankfully for those who don't like faction lock, they left you with other options.

For those asking for an Alliance Change Token, like Class Change Tokens, ZOS already stated quite directly in recent Twitch streams that they will not be adding either, both because of technical difficulties to do so but also because they aren't interested in seeing such a thing added.

Ryanoxx

Ertosi wrote: »

This is what I've hoped for this patch and it came true. Thankfully for those who don't like faction lock, they left you with other options.

For those asking for an Alliance Change Token, like Class Change Tokens, ZOS already stated quite directly in recent Twitch streams that they will not be adding either, both because of technical difficulties to do so but also because they aren't interested in seeing such a thing added.

Why did you hope for that? It just makes Chars useless and prevents us playing with friends from other factions. And I know they didn't want to add Alliance Change Tokens but I dont see why they wouldn't add it if they add a faction lock. Class Change Tokens wouldnt make sense anyway but faction? ...

Zophix

You know what they could do? Make all characters neutral (as in no alliance) and remove the option to select an alliance on the character creation menu. At this point, after the One Tamriel update, your characters alliance means nothing outside of Cryodil, even battlegrounds put members of a different alliance together.

Instead, you can leave the alliance selection at the campaign menu. When you choose to enter a campaign, you are prompted with choosing an alliance to fight for (account wide). Once an alliance is chosen you can only fight for that alliance and you (and all characters on your account) are bound to that alliance for the duration of the longest campaign you (or any of your characters) are a part of.

Ryanoxx

Zophix wrote: »

You know what they could do? Make all characters neutral (as in no alliance) and remove the option to select an alliance on the character creation menu. At this point, after the One Tamriel update, your characters alliance means nothing outside of Cryodil, even battlegrounds put members of a different alliance together.

Instead, you can leave the alliance selection at the campaign menu. When you choose to enter a campaign, you are prompted with choosing an alliance to fight for (account wide). Once an alliance is chosen you can only fight for that alliance and you (and all characters on your account) are bound to that alliance for the duration of the longest campaign you (or any of your characters) are a part of.

That would be a nice solution but I don't think it works for ESO because it would result in problems for the questline. I would like to have a solution like a quest for example [Quest: The Traitor] in which you could change your faction. If they want to make money with our problems they can make it a quest you get through the crown shop.

Zophix

Ryanoxx wrote: »

That would be a nice solution but I don't think it works for ESO because it would result in problems for the questline. I would like to have a solution like a quest for example [Quest: The Traitor] in which you could change your faction. If they want to make money with our problems they can make it a quest you get through the crown shop.

I get what your saying about the questline and how it could cause problems. However, I think the bigger issue is the fact that anyone (regardless of alliance) can complete questlines that are tied to a specific alliance. It would make more sense if you were not bound to a faction outside of Cryodil.

Currygaminginc

The funny thing is, it used to be this way long ago.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Currygaminginc wrote: »

The funny thing is, it used to be this way long ago.

Actually it isn't. Campaigns were never hard locked, you could always be group queued to another campaign to play with your friends

TequilaFire

Man, it was hard enough to spell Vivec!
These campaign names. lol

MirkoZ

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

This is what I've hoped for this patch and it came true. Thankfully for those who don't like faction lock, they left you with other options.

For those asking for an Alliance Change Token, like Class Change Tokens, ZOS already stated quite directly in recent Twitch streams that they will not be adding either, both because of technical difficulties to do so but also because they aren't interested in seeing such a thing added.

Why did you hope for that? It just makes Chars useless and prevents us playing with friends from other factions. And I know they didn't want to add Alliance Change Tokens but I dont see why they wouldn't add it if they add a faction lock. Class Change Tokens wouldnt make sense anyway but faction? ...

Why? We all know why , come on ^^

MirkoZ

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

This is what I've hoped for this patch and it came true. Thankfully for those who don't like faction lock, they left you with other options.

For those asking for an Alliance Change Token, like Class Change Tokens, ZOS already stated quite directly in recent Twitch streams that they will not be adding either, both because of technical difficulties to do so but also because they aren't interested in seeing such a thing added.

Why did you hope for that? It just makes Chars useless and prevents us playing with friends from other factions. And I know they didn't want to add Alliance Change Tokens but I dont see why they wouldn't add it if they add a faction lock. Class Change Tokens wouldnt make sense anyway but faction? ...

But hey! There are still campaigns without the lock system!

Tasear

Zophix wrote: »

You know what they could do? Make all characters neutral (as in no alliance) and remove the option to select an alliance on the character creation menu. At this point, after the One Tamriel update, your characters alliance means nothing outside of Cryodil, even battlegrounds put members of a different alliance together.

Instead, you can leave the alliance selection at the campaign menu. When you choose to enter a campaign, you are prompted with choosing an alliance to fight for (account wide). Once an alliance is chosen you can only fight for that alliance and you (and all characters on your account) are bound to that alliance for the duration of the longest campaign you (or any of your characters) are a part of.

Removing alliance and having to pick it for cydrolli would of been best option.

Ryanoxx

MirkoZ wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

This is what I've hoped for this patch and it came true. Thankfully for those who don't like faction lock, they left you with other options.

For those asking for an Alliance Change Token, like Class Change Tokens, ZOS already stated quite directly in recent Twitch streams that they will not be adding either, both because of technical difficulties to do so but also because they aren't interested in seeing such a thing added.

Why did you hope for that? It just makes Chars useless and prevents us playing with friends from other factions. And I know they didn't want to add Alliance Change Tokens but I dont see why they wouldn't add it if they add a faction lock. Class Change Tokens wouldnt make sense anyway but faction? ...

But hey! There are still campaigns without the lock system!

problem is that they will probably empty campaigns so they are no alternative

mcagatayg

This change is here to stop the abusers of the current system, blame them not the developer for trying to stop abusers...

TequilaFire

Ryanoxx wrote: »

MirkoZ wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

This is what I've hoped for this patch and it came true. Thankfully for those who don't like faction lock, they left you with other options.

For those asking for an Alliance Change Token, like Class Change Tokens, ZOS already stated quite directly in recent Twitch streams that they will not be adding either, both because of technical difficulties to do so but also because they aren't interested in seeing such a thing added.

Why did you hope for that? It just makes Chars useless and prevents us playing with friends from other factions. And I know they didn't want to add Alliance Change Tokens but I dont see why they wouldn't add it if they add a faction lock. Class Change Tokens wouldnt make sense anyway but faction? ...

But hey! There are still campaigns without the lock system!

problem is that they will probably empty campaigns so they are no alternative

But if you truly want to play with friends on different alliance players will have to stop being stubborn and use those campaigns.
This should spread out some population.

Ryanoxx

mcagatayg wrote: »

This change is here to stop the abusers of the current system, blame them not the developer for trying to stop abusers...

what abusers?

Twohothardware

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Bahlokdaan: 30 Day No CP & Alliance Locked
Kaalgrontiid: 30 Day CP Enabled & Alliance Locked

This was what I've been afraid of for this patch and it came true. This is a problem for everyone who wants to play on a 30 Day Campaign and has his Chars in different factions. This change makes half of my chars useless. If you want to implement a change like that @zenimax please give us an Alliance Change Token for an affordable price. I don't see a reason why this is nessecary.

Explain why you need to play on three different sides during the course of a single campaign outside of jumping on whichever side is winning the map at that time of the day. Explain why with like 15 available character slots you can’t make more characters on the same Alliance. Explain why you can’t just play in one of the Campaigns that isn’t Faction locked with some of your characters.

You guys don’t want anything that upsets your routine changed yet everyone complains about how lopsided and imbalanced the three Alliances usually are. Well it’s because of the lack of a faction lock and the issue started when they got rid of it the first time.

Ryanoxx

TequilaFire wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

MirkoZ wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

This is what I've hoped for this patch and it came true. Thankfully for those who don't like faction lock, they left you with other options.

For those asking for an Alliance Change Token, like Class Change Tokens, ZOS already stated quite directly in recent Twitch streams that they will not be adding either, both because of technical difficulties to do so but also because they aren't interested in seeing such a thing added.

Why did you hope for that? It just makes Chars useless and prevents us playing with friends from other factions. And I know they didn't want to add Alliance Change Tokens but I dont see why they wouldn't add it if they add a faction lock. Class Change Tokens wouldnt make sense anyway but faction? ...

But hey! There are still campaigns without the lock system!

problem is that they will probably empty campaigns so they are no alternative

But if you truly want to play with friends on different alliance players will have to stop being stubborn and use those campaigns.
This should spread out some population.

This might spread some population but I cant play with friends if there are no enemies. On shor there are only a few or no enemies at all, it makes no sense to go there even to play with friends.

macsmooth

How do I get transmutation end rewards on all my characters if I’m locked to only allow to play that faction for the month

I’ve only ever done vivec so I have no idea if I get transmutation crystals from 7 day events and is it even 50 of them and I would have to find the time to PvP every week not when I have the actual time for it

I only played vivec because I had time to run my characters through to tier to get my crystals and go, that way I don’t bother the hardcore PvP players

TequilaFire

Ryanoxx wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

MirkoZ wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

This is what I've hoped for this patch and it came true. Thankfully for those who don't like faction lock, they left you with other options.

For those asking for an Alliance Change Token, like Class Change Tokens, ZOS already stated quite directly in recent Twitch streams that they will not be adding either, both because of technical difficulties to do so but also because they aren't interested in seeing such a thing added.

Why did you hope for that? It just makes Chars useless and prevents us playing with friends from other factions. And I know they didn't want to add Alliance Change Tokens but I dont see why they wouldn't add it if they add a faction lock. Class Change Tokens wouldnt make sense anyway but faction? ...

But hey! There are still campaigns without the lock system!

problem is that they will probably empty campaigns so they are no alternative

But if you truly want to play with friends on different alliance players will have to stop being stubborn and use those campaigns.
This should spread out some population.

This might spread some population but I cant play with friends if there are no enemies. On shor there are only a few or no enemies at all, it makes no sense to go there even to play with friends.

Well now it will not be empty.
This is a server specific thing anyway because the server I play on Shor isn't empty.

Inechr

They want you to bring enemies aswell Ryan, LOL.
Would be better to just lock rewards to one alliance, instead of locking out the option to play with friends in a server that isn't dead. )

jaws343

Twohothardware wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Bahlokdaan: 30 Day No CP & Alliance Locked
Kaalgrontiid: 30 Day CP Enabled & Alliance Locked

This was what I've been afraid of for this patch and it came true. This is a problem for everyone who wants to play on a 30 Day Campaign and has his Chars in different factions. This change makes half of my chars useless. If you want to implement a change like that @zenimax please give us an Alliance Change Token for an affordable price. I don't see a reason why this is nessecary.

Explain why you need to play on three different sides during the course of a single campaign outside of jumping on whichever side is winning the map at that time of the day. Explain why with like 15 available character slots you can’t make more characters on the same Alliance. Explain why you can’t just play in one of the Campaigns that isn’t Faction locked with some of your characters.

You guys don’t want anything that upsets your routine changed yet everyone complains about how lopsided and imbalanced the three Alliances usually are. Well it’s because of the lack of a faction lock and the issue started when they got rid of it the first time.

Most people don't just jump to the "winning" side because winning is meaningless if you aren't in the leaderboards. And if you are jumping factions, you are never going to be in the leaderboards long enough to matter.

Some people have already built up all 15 of their characters under the current rule set that allows faction changing during a campaign. Meaning some have potentially 5 characters set up per alliance. So either they have to delete characters they may have had for years to start over or they can never PVP with those characters.

The non faction locked option is a 7 day campaign. I would think that current PVP campaign options would indicate that 7 day campaigns are not played in. Why,? The rewards are awful and the campaign length is far too short to be meaningful. And then the other non faction lock option is the Imperial City, which isn't even the same PVP as Cyrodil. So anyone saying just play there is already proving themselves to be unreliable.

From everything I have seen in game, and in the forums, the complaints are all coming from pro-faction lockers who refuse to play in the populated campaigns. Instead, these players play in Shor or Sotha where the campaign is rarely if ever pop-locked (Xbox NA for example). While Vivec is usually pop-locked and "switching to the winning side" just isn't effective.

So... you are wrong on all points.

Ryanoxx

Twohothardware wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Bahlokdaan: 30 Day No CP & Alliance Locked
Kaalgrontiid: 30 Day CP Enabled & Alliance Locked

This was what I've been afraid of for this patch and it came true. This is a problem for everyone who wants to play on a 30 Day Campaign and has his Chars in different factions. This change makes half of my chars useless. If you want to implement a change like that @zenimax please give us an Alliance Change Token for an affordable price. I don't see a reason why this is nessecary.

Explain why you need to play on three different sides during the course of a single campaign outside of jumping on whichever side is winning the map at that time of the day. Explain why with like 15 available character slots you can’t make more characters on the same Alliance. Explain why you can’t just play in one of the Campaigns that isn’t Faction locked with some of your characters.

You guys don’t want anything that upsets your routine changed yet everyone complains about how lopsided and imbalanced the three Alliances usually are. Well it’s because of the lack of a faction lock and the issue started when they got rid of it the first time.

Its simple. I want to play with friends from other factions. I dont wanna switch to the faction that wins, I dont care about the leaderboards and the rewards in PvP are a joke. I am a solo and smallscale player and I dont enjoy to play in groups of 20 players since there is not much to do in there. Sure I could make new characters but the character slots youre talking about are expensive for a student and its very time consuming to make a new char. I have to work most of the time so I dont have that time to make so many new chars, get undaunted and mages guild books as well as skyshards. I dont need a perfect routine but I want to be able to play the characters that I put a lot time into. There is no reason to implement a faction lock so smallscalers cant change to the alliance with less zergs playing at the time. I'd rather be removed from the leaderboards at all instead of losing the ability to play my dc or ad chars.

TequilaFire

Yeah gonna miss a certain guild flipping the map one color then changing to alts on another alliance and flipping it back.

Ryanoxx

Inechr wrote: »

They want you to bring enemies aswell Ryan, LOL.
Would be better to just lock rewards to one alliance, instead of locking out the option to play with friends in a server that isn't dead. )

yes :<

Ryanoxx

TequilaFire wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

MirkoZ wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

This is what I've hoped for this patch and it came true. Thankfully for those who don't like faction lock, they left you with other options.

For those asking for an Alliance Change Token, like Class Change Tokens, ZOS already stated quite directly in recent Twitch streams that they will not be adding either, both because of technical difficulties to do so but also because they aren't interested in seeing such a thing added.

Why did you hope for that? It just makes Chars useless and prevents us playing with friends from other factions. And I know they didn't want to add Alliance Change Tokens but I dont see why they wouldn't add it if they add a faction lock. Class Change Tokens wouldnt make sense anyway but faction? ...

But hey! There are still campaigns without the lock system!

problem is that they will probably empty campaigns so they are no alternative

But if you truly want to play with friends on different alliance players will have to stop being stubborn and use those campaigns.
This should spread out some population.

This might spread some population but I cant play with friends if there are no enemies. On shor there are only a few or no enemies at all, it makes no sense to go there even to play with friends.

Well now it will not be empty.
This is a server specific thing anyway because the server I play on Shor isn't empty.

I play on PC EU and at times when I am able to play Shor is empty.

MirkoZ

jaws343 wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

Bahlokdaan: 30 Day No CP & Alliance Locked
Kaalgrontiid: 30 Day CP Enabled & Alliance Locked

This was what I've been afraid of for this patch and it came true. This is a problem for everyone who wants to play on a 30 Day Campaign and has his Chars in different factions. This change makes half of my chars useless. If you want to implement a change like that @zenimax please give us an Alliance Change Token for an affordable price. I don't see a reason why this is nessecary.

Explain why you need to play on three different sides during the course of a single campaign outside of jumping on whichever side is winning the map at that time of the day. Explain why with like 15 available character slots you can’t make more characters on the same Alliance. Explain why you can’t just play in one of the Campaigns that isn’t Faction locked with some of your characters.

You guys don’t want anything that upsets your routine changed yet everyone complains about how lopsided and imbalanced the three Alliances usually are. Well it’s because of the lack of a faction lock and the issue started when they got rid of it the first time.

Most people don't just jump to the "winning" side because winning is meaningless if you aren't in the leaderboards. And if you are jumping factions, you are never going to be in the leaderboards long enough to matter.

Some people have already built up all 15 of their characters under the current rule set that allows faction changing during a campaign. Meaning some have potentially 5 characters set up per alliance. So either they have to delete characters they may have had for years to start over or they can never PVP with those characters.

The non faction locked option is a 7 day campaign. I would think that current PVP campaign options would indicate that 7 day campaigns are not played in. Why,? The rewards are awful and the campaign length is far too short to be meaningful. And then the other non faction lock option is the Imperial City, which isn't even the same PVP as Cyrodil. So anyone saying just play there is already proving themselves to be unreliable.

From everything I have seen in game, and in the forums, the complaints are all coming from pro-faction lockers who refuse to play in the populated campaigns. Instead, these players play in Shor or Sotha where the campaign is rarely if ever pop-locked (Xbox NA for example). While Vivec is usually pop-locked and "switching to the winning side" just isn't effective.

So... you are wrong on all points.

Mate do you play pvp? No because all the ppl change faction with the one is winning

Currygaminginc

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Currygaminginc wrote: »

The funny thing is, it used to be this way long ago.

Actually it isn't. Campaigns were never hard locked, you could always be group queued to another campaign to play with your friends

That's true I forgot about the grouping you in feature. So this lock is even worse...damn!