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Nightblade 4.5% Heal?
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Darkonflare15 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Well nightblade tanks get an in class immobilize with the change to fear. That's not nothing.
So now they can die with the corpses of their enemies around them. Cold comfort indeed. lol
Night blades tanks were living before dark cloak they can live without it.
U can say that about any classs.
What youre not getting is Nightblade now will be the only class with no burst heal for tanking.Edited by Lab3360 on April 16, 2019 2:32PM4 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »4.5% of Max Health per second for 8 seconds.
At 30k health, you'll get 1350 health per second, capping out at 10-11k health heal, before any other factors are taken into consideration.
That's painfully low for a self healing ability, much less a heal that was designed for NB Tanks. It's a HUGE step back for them since the heal won't get us out of a bad moment should it come to it and even if ZOS makes the Minor Protection buff last the full 8 seconds, it won't help as much as it currenly does.
Guess I'm retiring my NB Tank, AGAIN!!!
im so done...literally...no diversity in terms of tanks...you wanna heal u play templar...u wanna tank...u play dk...u want dd? u go sorc...cuz even mag/stamblade now got rekt so hard...
an interesting change of this would had been 4.5% of max health but drastically reduce the cost and make it be on cast with no lingering effect...and when I say drastically for a 1500 heal I mean 800 mana/cast...whoever did this change I swear it never thought it through
Yeah. The Devs are not being candid about game improvements. I find the whole thing to be very disingenuous.
The play any class any way or role is not true. When you can, they nerf it.4 -
Huyen✭✭✭✭✭
✭Silver_Strider wrote: »4.5% of Max Health per second for 8 seconds.
At 30k health, you'll get 1350 health per second, capping out at 10-11k health heal, before any other factors are taken into consideration.
That's painfully low for a self healing ability, much less a heal that was designed for NB Tanks. It's a HUGE step back for them since the heal won't get us out of a bad moment should it come to it and even if ZOS makes the Minor Protection buff last the full 8 seconds, it won't help as much as it currenly does.
Guess I'm retiring my NB Tank, AGAIN!!!
If they do this change I guess no point in taking it on my nb tank...not that I need it for the average tanking, but 35% heal is nice as oh *** button...Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
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"Failure is only the opportunity to begin again. Only this time, more wisely" - Uncle Iroh1 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »4.5% of Max Health per second for 8 seconds.
At 30k health, you'll get 1350 health per second, capping out at 10-11k health heal, before any other factors are taken into consideration.
That's painfully low for a self healing ability, much less a heal that was designed for NB Tanks. It's a HUGE step back for them since the heal won't get us out of a bad moment should it come to it and even if ZOS makes the Minor Protection buff last the full 8 seconds, it won't help as much as it currenly does.
Guess I'm retiring my NB Tank, AGAIN!!!
If they do this change I guess no point in taking it on my nb tank...not that I need it for the average tanking, but 35% heal is nice as oh *** button...
Yeah. Every other class gets one for tanking except for Nightblade.
Its done. Stick a fork in it.Edited by Lab3360 on April 16, 2019 3:39PM0 -
_Salty_✭✭✭✭✭Tone deaf Devs nerfing skills that aren't widely used. No idea how they come up with this stuff.Psn l---Salty---l
Patiently waiting to make a Stankcromancer.5 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
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To be honest, NB healing and tanking was too niche and it will be abandoned entirely with 5.0.0. Don't get me wrong, I really wished a NB tank which is on the same league as DK. Magma Shell alone makes the DK the best tank, especially in 1T 3DD hardmodes.Analysis
Breath of Life Templar
Warden Healing Spores
Warden Healing Seed
DK Green Dragon Blood
Sorcery Conversion/Deal
Nightblade
No significant group nor self heal.
Dark Cloak 4.5% of health.
No one will place that on there bar.
Solution revert back to 32% consistent with all other self or group heals with a 32% coeficient.0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »
To be honest, NB healing and tanking was too niche and it will be abandoned entirely with 5.0.0. Don't get me wrong, I really wished a NB tank which is on the same league as DK. Magma Shell alone makes the DK the best tank, especially in 1T 3DD hardmodes.Analysis
Breath of Life Templar
Warden Healing Spores
Warden Healing Seed
DK Green Dragon Blood
Sorcery Conversion/Deal
Nightblade
No significant group nor self heal.
Dark Cloak 4.5% of health.
No one will place that on there bar.
Solution revert back to 32% consistent with all other self or group heals with a 32% coeficient.
I thought this game was suppose to allow that. Play how you want. BS!2 -
Dottzgaming✭✭✭✭✭Honestly was sad to see this personally. Been tanking on my NB the past couple patches and it's actually been fun and working pretty well - beaten a ton of vet trials on it and was able to show that it could be done. But nerfing the burst heal to be more drawn out like that... just sucks. Really hope they reconsider this or find another way to compensate NB tanks.3 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Dottzgaming wrote: »Honestly was sad to see this personally. Been tanking on my NB the past couple patches and it's actually been fun and working pretty well - beaten a ton of vet trials on it and was able to show that it could be done. But nerfing the burst heal to be more drawn out like that... just sucks. Really hope they reconsider this or find another way to compensate NB tanks.
Yeah..Its was totally unecessary and no one even asked for the change.1 -
ilcavallo✭✭✭Analysis
Breath of Life Templar
Warden Healing Spores
Warden Healing Seed
DK Green Dragon Blood
Sorcery Conversion/Deal
Nightblade
No significant group nor self heal.
Dark Cloak 4.5% of health.
No one will place that on there bar.
Solution revert back to 32% consistent with all other self or group heals with a 32% coeficient.
Developers are dialing back their burst damage and there will be no burst heal.
So the question becomes why even bother?
Seriously. Just delete the class.3 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Analysis
Breath of Life Templar
Warden Healing Spores
Warden Healing Seed
DK Green Dragon Blood
Sorcery Conversion/Deal
Nightblade
No significant group nor self heal.
Dark Cloak 4.5% of health.
No one will place that on there bar.
Solution revert back to 32% consistent with all other self or group heals with a 32% coeficient.
Developers are dialing back their burst damage and there will be no burst heal.
So the question becomes why even bother?
Seriously. Just delete the class.
Exactly!1 -
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Breath of Life Templar
Warden Healing Spores
Warden Healing Seed
DK Green Dragon Blood
Sorcery Conversion/Deal
Nightblade
No significant group nor self heal.
Dark Cloak 4.5% of health.
No one will place that on there bar.
Solution revert back to 32% consistent with all other self or group heals with a 32% coeficient.
That time when a class is secretly superior to templar in healing in nearly every way, then devs take notice and hand a nerf and forums explode...0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Analysis
Breath of Life Templar
Warden Healing Spores
Warden Healing Seed
DK Green Dragon Blood
Sorcery Conversion/Deal
Nightblade
No significant group nor self heal.
Dark Cloak 4.5% of health.
No one will place that on there bar.
Solution revert back to 32% consistent with all other self or group heals with a 32% coeficient.
That time when a class is secretly superior to templar in healing in nearly every way, then devs take notice and hand a nerf and forums explode...
Nightblade has never been superior at healing nor tanking. So for them to take things away from a niche is makee no sense.3 -
jypcy✭✭✭✭✭Darkonflare15 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Well nightblade tanks get an in class immobilize with the change to fear. That's not nothing.
So now they can die with the corpses of their enemies around them. Cold comfort indeed. lol
Night blades tanks were living before dark cloak they can live without it.
U can say that about any classs.
What youre not getting is Nightblade now will be the only class with no burst heal for tanking.Silver_Strider wrote: »4.5% of Max Health per second for 8 seconds.
At 30k health, you'll get 1350 health per second, capping out at 10-11k health heal, before any other factors are taken into consideration.
That's painfully low for a self healing ability, much less a heal that was designed for NB Tanks. It's a HUGE step back for them since the heal won't get us out of a bad moment should it come to it and even if ZOS makes the Minor Protection buff last the full 8 seconds, it won't help as much as it currenly does.
Guess I'm retiring my NB Tank, AGAIN!!!
If they do this change I guess no point in taking it on my nb tank...not that I need it for the average tanking, but 35% heal is nice as oh *** button...
Yeah. Every other class gets one for tanking except for Nightblade.
Its done. Stick a fork in it.
Wary about this change myself, but in fairness, did Templars get a burst health-based heal somewhere along the line that I missed? I know BoL can work, but I’ve never found it as useful as the current dark cloak. But my understanding is that not every other class has one.
Plus, with reaper’s mark, NBs technically retain the strongest (albeit conditional) class self heal. It’s what I used before the dark cloak change so if need be we can make it work again.1 -
BrianLovesLisa✭✭✭✭✭Oh look a thread about NightBlades crying over a nerf, REMEMBER WHEN Sorcs did it. Ah good times. I think it is about time they toppled the "best class in the game".0
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »Rip nb and eso for me if these changes go live 😔😢😔
Hello Black Desert0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭BrianLovesLisa wrote: »Oh look a thread about NightBlades crying over a nerf, REMEMBER WHEN Sorcs did it. Ah good times. I think it is about time they toppled the "best class in the game".
FYI, I have every class every roll, before ypu get started on more stupid.
I could give 2shits about the damage nerf. There are still tons of ways to regain damage.
However the nerf to the only burst heal Nightblades relied on as tanks is a deal breaker. Converting it to a hot will not mitigate enough damage in vet trials.This is an asinine change.3 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭if you love tanking an healing?
dont play nightblade.
make tank or healer.
everyone has complained and begged so much that nightblade is now a tank class and begging for more heals.
we need an assassin stealth cloak casting class in eso.i love stealth and casting invisibility, but because its been destroyed, nightblade just doesnt cut it.Edited by Gilvoth on April 16, 2019 7:56PM0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭if you love tanking an healing?
dont play nightblade.
make tank or healer.
everyone has complained and begged so much that nightblade is now a tank class and begging for more heals.
we need an assassin stealth cloak casting class in eso.i love stealth and casting invisibility, but because its been destroyed, nightblade just doesnt cut it.
No. They dont now bud. The Pvp Crybabies got there way.0 -
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but I can tank 1T 3DD vDLC HMs on my nightblade right now, no magma shell needed. And that's because I have Dark Cloak - I know I can get 32% of my max HP back in 3 seconds and I can manage my health and resources around that. With the nerf, it's going to be nearly impossible to do this without investing a lot of bar space into healing abilities, because with my health pool, cloak will heal me for about the same amount per second as Leeching Strikes. This is exactly why NB tanks are pissed. We finally had decent survivability in difficult PVE content, not needing to rely on healer support in encounters where you simply must outheal incoming damage by yourself (and I don't mean 3DD vDLC HMs, since those are technically designed to require a healer; I mean encounters like Ozara backroom, Serpent backroom, tanking the Z'Maja shade in the portal in vCR, tanking z'Maja on vCR+123, etc), and ZOS is about to ruin that. No tank has the bar space for 3+ healing skills, but ZOS is forcing NBs into doing just that.Facefister wrote: »Magma Shell alone makes the DK the best tank, especially in 1T 3DD hardmodes.AD is the best looking faction. I don't make the rules, I just enforce them.3 -
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✭✭Dottzgaming wrote: »Honestly was sad to see this personally. Been tanking on my NB the past couple patches and it's actually been fun and working pretty well - beaten a ton of vet trials on it and was able to show that it could be done. But nerfing the burst heal to be more drawn out like that... just sucks. Really hope they reconsider this or find another way to compensate NB tanks.
"Increase healing done by 500% from all single target self casting sources" done 1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This is what happens when you take Vigor, restrict it to a single class, reduce it to single target, self only and reduce the effectiveness by 200% Are nightblades supposed to be so bad at healing that every single stamina build has a better heal? I haven't run the numbers, but you might just do better slotting vigor on a magblade instead of this. What hp threshold do you have to hit before this outperforms vigor on a tank?Edited by redspecter23 on April 16, 2019 11:47PM4 -
ApostateHobo✭✭✭✭✭
✭This change is completely unnecessary. They should leave it as it is now not make it entirely useless.1 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »This is what happens when you take Vigor, restrict it to a single class, reduce it to single target, self only and reduce the effectiveness by 200% Are nightblades supposed to be so bad at healing that every single stamina build has a better heal? I haven't run the numbers, but you might just do better slotting vigor on a magblade instead of this. What hp threshold do you have to hit before this outperforms vigor on a tank?
The new proposed change will not reach the threshold to outperform vigor.1 -
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but I can tank 1T 3DD vDLC HMs on my nightblade right now, no magma shell needed. And that's because I have Dark Cloak - I know I can get 32% of my max HP back in 3 seconds and I can manage my health and resources around that. With the nerf, it's going to be nearly impossible to do this without investing a lot of bar space into healing abilities, because with my health pool, cloak will heal me for about the same amount per second as Leeching Strikes. This is exactly why NB tanks are pissed. We finally had decent survivability in difficult PVE content, not needing to rely on healer support in encounters where you simply must outheal incoming damage by yourself (and I don't mean 3DD vDLC HMs, since those are technically designed to require a healer; I mean encounters like Ozara backroom, Serpent backroom, tanking the Z'Maja shade in the portal in vCR, tanking z'Maja on vCR+123, etc), and ZOS is about to ruin that. No tank has the bar space for 3+ healing skills, but ZOS is forcing NBs into doing just that.Facefister wrote: »Magma Shell alone makes the DK the best tank, especially in 1T 3DD hardmodes.
I guess they don't care about PVE lol1 -
Iron_Blurr✭✭✭✭What's a tank supposed to do with a weak heal over time when they need a burst heal for high incoming damage??
I say remove the minor protection completely and give it a burst heal + a heal over time.
If these changes to live then i demand green dragon blood get destroyed as well and made into a 8 second heal over time! Even if they did that dk tanks have major mending while nightblades do not!
If you really want minor protection just slot temporal guard on the front bar or use circle of protection.
I just dont understand why they dont consider how the changes they make affect support classes.3