Nightblade 4.5% Heal?

Lab3360

Analysis

Breath of Life Templar
Warden Healing Spores
Warden Healing Seed
DK Green Dragon Blood
Sorcery Conversion/Deal

Nightblade

No significant group nor self heal.
Dark Cloak 4.5% of health.
No one will place that on there bar.

Solution revert back to 32% consistent with all other self or group heals with a 32% coeficient.

likecats

If they add a 2s snare removal on it, plenty will slot it.

Lab3360

likecats wrote: »

If they add a 2s snare removal on it, plenty will slot it.

That would make it worth the slot. But no one would use it for a heal. With the pts iteration, they gutted the Nightblade bread and butter only significant self heal.

No one asked for this change.

Silver_Strider

4.5% of Max Health per second for 8 seconds.
At 30k health, you'll get 1350 health per second, capping out at 10-11k health heal, before any other factors are taken into consideration.

That's painfully low for a self healing ability, much less a heal that was designed for NB Tanks. It's a HUGE step back for them since the heal won't get us out of a bad moment should it come to it and even if ZOS makes the Minor Protection buff last the full 8 seconds, it won't help as much as it currenly does.

Guess I'm retiring my NB Tank, AGAIN!!!

Jaraal

I guess they figured there wasn't a long enough queue for Cyro so they want PvE Nightblades to go back to repairing walls and doors so they can get Vigor again.

laissezfaire

They should have changed it to keep similar ticks as live but just last longer than 3 secs. Compared to vigor, dark cloak is a joke on live or pts.

Alucardo

Silver_Strider wrote: »

4.5% of Max Health per second for 8 seconds.
At 30k health, you'll get 1350 health per second, capping out at 10-11k health heal, before any other factors are taken into consideration.

That's painfully low for a self healing ability, much less a heal that was designed for NB Tanks. It's a HUGE step back for them since the heal won't get us out of a bad moment should it come to it and even if ZOS makes the Minor Protection buff last the full 8 seconds, it won't help as much as it currenly does.

Guess I'm retiring my NB Tank, AGAIN!!!

Actually I started seeing non tanks using it, especially considering health is higher these days. It was essentially like having 2 vigors running at the same time, with the added bonus of minor protection. On a class with the highest single target damage... yeah, fun.
Truth be told it was still more fun to fight than chasing someone around with detect pots.

Mettaricana

Silver_Strider wrote: »

4.5% of Max Health per second for 8 seconds.
At 30k health, you'll get 1350 health per second, capping out at 10-11k health heal, before any other factors are taken into consideration.

That's painfully low for a self healing ability, much less a heal that was designed for NB Tanks. It's a HUGE step back for them since the heal won't get us out of a bad moment should it come to it and even if ZOS makes the Minor Protection buff last the full 8 seconds, it won't help as much as it currenly does.

Guess I'm retiring my NB Tank, AGAIN!!!

Agreed ruined my nb tank for the 11th time now

Liww

Alucardo wrote: »

Actually I started seeing non tanks using it, especially considering health is higher these days. It was essentially like having 2 vigors running at the same time, with the added bonus of minor protection. On a class with the highest single target damage... yeah, fun.

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Insco851

Dark cloak on live if built correctly can be used as a solid burst heal for a no cloak magblade. The 4.5% on a normal health magblade in pvp will get a cool 500 per sec tick? Lol sounds life saving.

“Zos we need heals fam!”

“Heals huh? Here’s a “burst” (lol) heal hidden behind a 5 LA proc CC pray combo, that’ll fix ya right up!”

Meanwhile if you land a bow proc - you most likely killed the guy so Piecing mark would STILL GIVE A BIGGER HEAL... at roughly the same time.


Ps. None of which matters cuz you are forced to play invis with this change. Piercing+Merciless will be strong but the run and reset playstyle is the only one left.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

Lab3360 wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

If they add a 2s snare removal on it, plenty will slot it.

That would make it worth the slot. But no one would use it for a heal. With the pts iteration, they gutted the Nightblade bread and butter only significant self heal.

No one asked for this change.

bread and butter? they literally killed nb tank in favor of pvp magblades again...and in favor I mean to nerf it...so how to do it zos? lets go back to 1.0 where dk was demigod and nbs trash...cuz this is what happened right now...they buffed coagulant blood to be "on part with other burst heals" what other burst heals? its just that...dk...

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

Silver_Strider wrote: »

4.5% of Max Health per second for 8 seconds.
At 30k health, you'll get 1350 health per second, capping out at 10-11k health heal, before any other factors are taken into consideration.

That's painfully low for a self healing ability, much less a heal that was designed for NB Tanks. It's a HUGE step back for them since the heal won't get us out of a bad moment should it come to it and even if ZOS makes the Minor Protection buff last the full 8 seconds, it won't help as much as it currenly does.

Guess I'm retiring my NB Tank, AGAIN!!!

im so done...literally...no diversity in terms of tanks...you wanna heal u play templar...u wanna tank...u play dk...u want dd? u go sorc...cuz even mag/stamblade now got rekt so hard...

an interesting change of this would had been 4.5% of max health but drastically reduce the cost and make it be on cast with no lingering effect...and when I say drastically for a 1500 heal I mean 800 mana/cast...whoever did this change I swear it never thought it through

thedude33

Yea this really pummels my NB healer.

One thing I find interesting. Reading these forums, how many posts are made screaming that class X needs nerfing ... or ability X needs nerfing? Even when something doesn't need a nerf, someone will still complain and insist it does.

Have you ever seen a nerf thread complaining about NBs self heal? Neither have I.

Lab3360

thedude33 wrote: »

Yea this really pummels my NB healer.

One thing I find interesting. Reading these forums, how many posts are made screaming that class X needs nerfing ... or ability X needs nerfing? Even when something doesn't need a nerf, someone will still complain and insist it does.

Have you ever seen a nerf thread complaining about NBs self heal? Neither have I.

All these unskilles players in pve and pvp scream for nerfs. They are not good enough to figure counters or circumvent measures without dev intervention.

ccfeeling

NB tank is never the best choice in the game .

And ZOS you nerf our burst heal too ? How we deal with it ?

When you huge nerfed the NB DPS abilities , I thought you guys will buff something with the healer and tank role , you proved me wrong , thank you !

efster

Who the hell decided that a "bursty" heal was not needed? NB tanks need it, and this HURTS.

Bring it up to 7% of max health per second. It will be slightly less than the current live heal but combined with other sources of self-healing like path and vigor, enough for tanks to stay alive without needing to run selfish sets or have a healer babysit them.

This 4.5% is just useless garbage. I know these people never listen to PVE NB tanks, but this is getting ridiculous. The tank class rep is out there touting the minor vuln as a big win for us, which it would be if we could stay alive long enough to use it should a healer drop.

kratier

yup, sustain for nightblade has always been god awful. and the devs know this, and refuse to address it
and all the class reps fail at their job to let them know this is a huge issue. because pigeon holing us into assault skill tree for heals is a joke

ccfeeling

I'm just a normal level player , as a NB tank , how I survive with this new healing ability in DLC HM , such as FL , SCP , MHK .

Or we have to ask the healer non stop spam orb and spring for me ? LOL , I feel shame .

I also have Warden and DK tank , I play them sometimes , ez ez just too easy .

I hope the class rep could speak for us , thank you !

Koensol

It is a horrible change. This ability was a cornerstone to my nb healer build in pvp. They basically turned it into a weak and generic hot. It just removes all uniqueness from the ability. The more brawly specs in both pvp and pve desperately need to keep the current version of the ability. A semi burst heal is vital to dealing with burst pressure.

Fellwitch

If you factor in that each tick might be able to crit and if you have like +70% crit damage / healing via CP, on a tank in PVE, you might actually be able to heal more I would think if your crit % is high enough, compared to a burst heal and then if you did not crit the burst heal you do not get the extra healing...what do you think guys?

Also, it seems to me that they are forcing NB tanks to have to use light armor because the only way I can see this heal being useful is running 5 piece fortified brass LA.

On the other hand, sap essence seems to be buffed.

Maybe they are encouraging the use of Sap Essence more for healing and instead have dark cloak just be used on cool-down continuously? Not sure...

Lab3360

Fellwitch wrote: »

If you factor in that each tick might be able to crit and if you have like +70% crit damage / healing via CP, on a tank in PVE, you might actually be able to heal more I would think if your crit % is high enough, compared to a burst heal and then if you did not crit the burst heal you do not get the extra healing...what do you think guys?

Also, it seems to me that they are forcing NB tanks to have to use light armor because the only way I can see this heal being useful is running 5 piece fortified brass LA.

On the other hand, sap essence seems to be buffed.

Maybe they are encouraging the use of Sap Essence more for healing and instead have dark cloak just be used on cool-down continuously? Not sure...

70% of 600 hot? Thats not going to get it bro.And if you walk into endgame content with light armor, you wont last 2 seconds against anything, You wont even make it to youre 1st boss fight.
Immediate kick.

This change is a running joke.

Girl_Number8

Lab3360 wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

If they add a 2s snare removal on it, plenty will slot it.

That would make it worth the slot. But no one would use it for a heal. With the pts iteration, they gutted the Nightblade bread and butter only significant self heal.

No one asked for this change.

It is a bad call on the devs part to hit Magblades like this, when they should of buffed instead. Smh

Lab3360

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

If they add a 2s snare removal on it, plenty will slot it.

That would make it worth the slot. But no one would use it for a heal. With the pts iteration, they gutted the Nightblade bread and butter only significant self heal.

No one asked for this change.

bread and butter? they literally killed nb tank in favor of pvp magblades again...and in favor I mean to nerf it...so how to do it zos? lets go back to 1.0 where dk was demigod and nbs trash...cuz this is what happened right now...they buffed coagulant blood to be "on part with other burst heals" what other burst heals? its just that...dk...

Another "Dev Fake Improvement"

ccfeeling

Fellwitch wrote: »

If you factor in that each tick might be able to crit and if you have like +70% crit damage / healing via CP, on a tank in PVE, you might actually be able to heal more I would think if your crit % is high enough, compared to a burst heal and then if you did not crit the burst heal you do not get the extra healing...what do you think guys?

Also, it seems to me that they are forcing NB tanks to have to use light armor because the only way I can see this heal being useful is running 5 piece fortified brass LA.

On the other hand, sap essence seems to be buffed.

Maybe they are encouraging the use of Sap Essence more for healing and instead have dark cloak just be used on cool-down continuously? Not sure...

Light armor in HM or trial , it will be a bad idea ...

Like ZOS said , the overall healing may be much more than the current value , but we are tank , we can't make any mistakes at the critical moment , say for example .

VMHK HM

At 20% phase , 2 frenzy big dogs HA periodically + LA bleeding + boss attack .
We bet our life on those HOT ? Seriously ?

Gilliam , you still play this game , do you ?

lokulin

Like I mentioned in another thread, of my five tank characters my NB gets wheeled out the least. At least now they get an ok crowd control (which templars still sorely lack) but the lack of strong self heal is embarrassing.

Seems like changes are made with DDs in mind only once again. It is not surprising that the dungeon finder is usually waiting on tanks and heals.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Well nightblade tanks get an in class immobilize with the change to fear. That's not nothing.

lokulin

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Well nightblade tanks get an in class immobilize with the change to fear. That's not nothing.

So now they can die with the corpses of their enemies around them. Cold comfort indeed. lol

FrozenAnimal

I do not like this change. With the new update, I can bury my PVP-NB-tank/health-healer. This was one of the only good healing skills for NB tanks. Please leave the "burst" healing unchanged...

Darkonflare15

lokulin wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Well nightblade tanks get an in class immobilize with the change to fear. That's not nothing.

So now they can die with the corpses of their enemies around them. Cold comfort indeed. lol

Night blades tanks were living before dark cloak they can live without it.

FleetwoodSmack

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

lokulin wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Well nightblade tanks get an in class immobilize with the change to fear. That's not nothing.

So now they can die with the corpses of their enemies around them. Cold comfort indeed. lol

Night blades tanks were living before dark cloak they can live without it.

It's like they think it's the only self heal there is on the class.

Othniel327

I am primarily a Templar player, but I do have a Nightblade. Sometimes while questing I get into tough spots and a bursty heal is helpful. It does not need to be removed or nerfed.