Gold buying by real money is a bad practice in ESO - Please Restrict it!

DirkRavenclaw · April 2019

I love it as it gives me, someone who is really poor in RL the chance to get stuff in the Crownstore with hard earned Gold.

Trinity_Is_My_Name · April 2019

Geez Louise. It's fine as it is. If people want to take chances using Game Gold for Crowns on the Honor system let me at it. Sure as heck isn't pay to win. Not one thing in the Crown store will give you an advantage over another player and in game gold won't either.

Linaleah · April 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

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prototypefb wrote: »

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Probably OP is concerned that if some people want to dominate trading market they may just sell 100k+ crowns for 30mil+ and bid for good trader which will leave out other guilds who earned let's say 20mil from trading and member donations. This scenario is probably possible and even takes place in reality (remember those strange guilds which are appearing in deshaan with poor listings for couple of weeks and then vanishing god knows where), but now there is not so big demand for crowns to make that an issue.
Still if we talk about established trading guilds and if they have rich IRL members, those guilds will have strong advantage and it will be literally P2W (in terms of trading place and prestige).

i don't see any1 spending rl money to hire a guild trader... seems far fetched.
if they do, then they must hate opposing guild very much and i feel for them(not rly, idc).
tipically large guild alliances conspire and bid on weak opponent spots to hurt competition and possibly get the spot in new upcomming guild of their own in future.

You probably didn't play other MMO's. Rich or even not so rich guys sometimes may spent their entire salary to get that fancy item or skin, and cost might be much higher then those 100k crowns. In ESO's case it's whole guild, prestige and respectable place. So if such person lands in ESO, only thing that prevents him from dominating trading spots is that demand for crown gifts is not so big to provide stable sales of hundred thousands of crowns.

how many trading spots can a single person feasibly dominate? bidding is once a week - how long are they are going to manage to do that? and for how long? and most importantly - WHY??

I really don't know why, but if those people are buying skins for weapons for 20k$, why they can't buy all mundus stones and trading spot in deshaan for a month and lure full guild of people during that period with tax return incentive and so just create new trading guild out of nowhere, which will hurt medium-level guilds since their people will now sell some if not majority of their stuff in that new guild?
Same for housing. If you not consider housing and trading as "crafting" sort of end-game, then this is not P2W, but for "honest" traders it's exactly what it is. Something you spent year on, can be just bought by somebody in few days.

again. why? your hypothetical makes absolutely NO sense because there is no long term point to it. guilds in mournhold are NOT medium level guilds. dislodging established mournould guilds permanently (and its only worth it to do permanently) takes a LOT. people who would leave for a newly established unproven guild are rarely the higher end sellers that keep the guild going, its usually the people closer to the bottom sales which is not going to help out hypothetical spot stealer either. how long can they keep this up? what exactly is the point of spending so.. much ..real life money to have a trading guild? you hypothetical makes no sense becasue one has to be completely insane to attempt it with even one trader spot. major cities have what... 7-8 of them?

moreover. so what if it took me a year to save up for a manor, while someone else just bought it for crowns the same day? so. what? in what way did they.. win? WHAT... did they win exactly? not to mention, no matter how much money you may through at housing, its not going to make you good at decorating. so if they threw money at the house AND are good at decorating? GOOD FOR THEM. if I'm not good enough at decorating to compete with them, then I just need to get better at decorating instead of trying to prevent them from doing something they are good at.

I literally don't understand this mentality of "I don't want them to have a thing, becasue it was hard for me to have a thing, so now it should be hard for THEM to have a thing".

nud3_voxel · April 2019

It's not P2W at all. It's fine. But I guess there will always be people that will get mad at random things ¯\(°_o)/¯

mcagatayg · April 2019

I see noone here played a real P2W MMO. Keep whining i guess, not enjoying what we have here in ESO. I appreciate it, even the crown crates. I do not buy crates or any form of lootboxes but its an ez way to earn money for ZoS so who cares.

Gilvoth · April 2019

prototypefb wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

This in itself is not such a bad thing, but it is a continuation of ZOS incrementally turning up the temp to boil the frog. This game has had so many sneaky monetization and P2W-but-not-really elements added bit by bit over time. What will the end point look like? It will happen so gradually that most of us won't even realise it's happening.

true this is a potential issue in the future but player backlash will hurt them big time if they reach too far, many games have perished cause of company greed/bad decisions.
atm there's no reason for that, worst items that could be considered p2w are mount riding lessons, and even those are only advantageous in very limited capacity( cyrodiil if you 'must' use mount and if speed of mount determines if keep/battle is lost because of slow mount, and it's still a grey area because there's no way to measure impact of this).

oh i agree 100%
i think it Awesome that we can right now make all of those choices.
i do not think that paying gold for crowns is pay to win at all.

Gilvoth · April 2019

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

The worst part about this feature is that people can buy achievement runs through crown-earned gold.
But I'd say that's a small price to pay. The people selling the achievement run are getting their gold and whoever sold the gold got neat crown store items without needing to cough up some cash and ZOS got their money. It's a win-win-win-win with only one person involved needing to feel ashamed for buying achievements.

not true, because if i know the people in my guild and thier nice and do it for me for FREE, i never had to pay gold for that item, i got carried by the guild till i got the weapon i wanted and no money was used, it was FREE.

@Gilvoth Your point being? If someone is selling and someone is happy to pay and they are both happy with their deal, who are you to try and stop them? Your friends don't lose anything because others sell these things and the person paying is free to get friends that do it for free too. If you don't have friends that can complete it, get some more friends that can or git gud. Nobody is forced to pay gold and nobody is being exploited. Some people prefer a shortcut and I am glad that the way this system works right now gives them that while benefitting others but not disadvantaging the non-participants. It only harms the prestige of people who earned the achievement, but the people who earned it are also the ones selling runs and they are free to harm their own prestige as they want. Besides mercenaries are a thing in roleplay too.

and i agree with you also 100%
nothing wrong with both ways, paying for it or getting carried, OR even doing it yourself with a group and u guys are Pro at it.
and if you dont want to do those then should be allowed to pay for it with ingame gold or even gift them with crown store items for the run.
i see nothing wrong with ALL of those options and i think it Awesome that we can right now make all of those choices.

WrathOfInnos · April 2019

Trading crowns for gold is not the same as gold buying or selling for real world money. All of the gold that is exchanged for crowns still must be created by conventional methods (drops, selling to vendors, quest rewards, etc.). Straight selling of gold in the crown store would be like infinite printing of money and lead to inflation, damaging the in-game economy and negatively affecting the buying power of all players. The current system avoids that mess.

Another important point is that players cannot “cash out”. There is no legal mechanism to turn in game gold into real world money, which helps to prevent gold farming bots. The most you can do is farm gold and exchange it for in game cosmetics, which are useless to people that create gold farming bot accounts.

My only issue with the gold/crown exchange is that you cannot directly trade with the safety of a trade window. The blind sending of gold and trusting that someone will follow through with crown store gifts leaves players open to scams.

Dragneel1207 · April 2019

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

u r argument is flawed and the end game gear cant be bought in guild store

There is end game PvP gear that is BOE.

lol getting good gear in pvp doesnot make u skilled

Juhasow · April 2019

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Juhasow wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

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Thavie wrote: »

Crown store items for gold is pure P2W.

You can't buy BiS gear in crown store, you can't buy it for gold either (two exceptions are the gold trader once per week and buying stuff from group members in trials/dungeons), so you literally CANNOT win by paying. Doesn't even matter if gold or crowns. Everything you can buy is usually not hard to get or it doesn't give you any advantage at all.

What is really happening here is that you simply dislike ingame stores, hence "I refuse to touch Crown Store exclusive motifs. I would rather they didn't exist at all" (crown store has a lot of exclusive stuff, not just motifs), and you'd like to ignore it all together but it became harder since people are able to buy those exclusive things with their gold. And that's outrageous! They shouldn't! PLEASE STAPH THEM!

It's okay to dislike things you do not agree with but at least be honest with yourself and don't cover it with pay-to-win label. It's getting old.

Of course You can buy BiS gear for gold. Even BoP one. Have You ever heared about carry runs ? You know what is the currency there ? Gold. You can easily get for example perfected siroria/relequen by paying for being carried like a bag of potatoes and getting all the loot. You can pay for vDSA carry runs and get master dual wield , destro staff or bow or perfected asulym destro staff in vAS HM without even knowing mechanics of vDSA or vAS and practicing it at all and those mentioned weapons are part of many BiS PvP setups that will give You many times adventage over players who dont have them. You can buy rare items that normally You would spend weeks or months on farming and retraiting just by buying them already with perfect traits for the gold You earned in few minutes by selling crowns.

The only BiS items You cannot get faster by spending the gold atm are maelstrom weapons. Rest You can simply get by paying for it directly or through carry runs. Especially when new update hits and there are new meta setups those players paying real life money for the gold and buying those BiS items for the gold are getting real adventage over people who play game normally and do not have accumulated large amounts of gold which takes some time to accomplish.

I personally know someone who is selling crowns for gold and he openly says "why should I spend time on playing the game the way I dont like and farm or progress through stuff , if I can just take weekend shift in my job which isnt even hard because in weekends there isnt much to do and for money I'll earn I can get everything I need in the game way faster then it would take normally"

Definition of pay to win You've linked describes excatly what's happening in ESO through gifting. You can buy the gold for real money and get certain BiS items instantly while there are "those playing for free who might otherwise need to spend time progressing in order to unlock said items". If that is definition of p2w then ESO is game with p2w element within.

Is it really all that game breaking that some people are willing to exchange real money for gold via crowns and then use that gold to get carried through a dungeon to get Bis gear?

I just don't see where this is a big deal. In full disclosure, I have not used the crowns for gold process as I have accumulated a few million in gold already and I can't find anything to spend it on as it is. I donate a bunch to my trading guild and make about 500,000 a week just doing crafting writs and simple adventuring.

It's not about is it or is it not game breaking but is p2w element exist or not. Some people will say it's game breaking some will say it isnt but it's not the point of discussion here.

I think Your point of view here is slightly blurred because You look at that subject from the perspective of someone who have been playing for a long time and actively been doing things bringing benefit. How long it took You to get to that point though ? Because now other people can get to that point in few hours without even playing the game. That is the difference that brings concerns.

Why does it bring concerns that someone can achieve it faster than I did? Why would one even care that someone else has the same thing quicker?

I've enjoyed the game a long while and have built 8 very distinctive adventurers / crafters. Other people want certain things faster so they can jump right into PvP or end game trials. Why would I have a porblem with that if I am enjoying my aspects of the game?

a PvPer that has "bought" Bis gear through carries is easy to see on the battlefield - they are the ones needing a res...

You still dont get the point. It's not about why You should or shouldnt care. It's simply about is it or is it not p2w element in the game. If we would talk about feelings from someones perspective then I am sure that even if ZoS would add some new unique weapons that would be very strong in PvP and only obtainable in crown store there would be still few people saying "why should I care I dont play PvP anyway and I enjoy what I am doing so everything is fine". Other people would be outraged and in both cases that would be the feelings not the facts and the facts are it would be pay to win. Fact those things doesnt affect You or Your feelings doesnt instantly mean it cannot be called p2w.

Even if getting best setups possible can be obtained by both paying or playing and both ways will bring You to similar results there will be still players playing to win or paying to win so pay to win element exist.

Trust me, I get your point - I simply disagree with it.

By giving Your feeling not the facts as an argument.

Ok scooter, here are the facts.

There is nothing that you can buy with in game gold that will give you an UNFAIR advantage over any other player. It can only shorten the time it takes to acquire the item and leaves you at the possible disadvantage of not having the skills to use the item in question effectively.

The other example of getting a better guild trader spot is a stretch, but if someone wants to dump real life cash to get a trader in Wayrest - I say a fool and his money are soon parted.

But who said pay to win exists only when it is giving "unfair adventage" and not just an adventage ? Have You seen the original post I was responding to and wikipedia definition of pay to win there ? You just further prove that You've missed the point and took things out of context.

Ok, I give up - you win. It's a horrible exploit and we should restrict it immediately and ban anyone that uses a process that the company that designed the game purposefully implemented

I never said or suggested anything close to that. You continue to prove You're missing the point.

You would actually have to have a point for me to miss. You are arguing simply to argue.

Actually now You're just trying to be ironicall or/and funny but You fail miserably ast that. You said earlier quote "trust me, I get your point - I simply disagree with it" so if You are saying You get my point just dont agree with it and they You say I did not made any point Your logic starts to crumble and it looks like You're actually the person that is arguing just to argue.

Juhasow · April 2019

Nyladreas wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Thavie wrote: »

Crown store items for gold is pure P2W.

You can't buy BiS gear in crown store, you can't buy it for gold either (two exceptions are the gold trader once per week and buying stuff from group members in trials/dungeons), so you literally CANNOT win by paying. Doesn't even matter if gold or crowns. Everything you can buy is usually not hard to get or it doesn't give you any advantage at all.

What is really happening here is that you simply dislike ingame stores, hence "I refuse to touch Crown Store exclusive motifs. I would rather they didn't exist at all" (crown store has a lot of exclusive stuff, not just motifs), and you'd like to ignore it all together but it became harder since people are able to buy those exclusive things with their gold. And that's outrageous! They shouldn't! PLEASE STAPH THEM!

It's okay to dislike things you do not agree with but at least be honest with yourself and don't cover it with pay-to-win label. It's getting old.

Of course You can buy BiS gear for gold. Even BoP one. Have You ever heared about carry runs ? You know what is the currency there ? Gold. You can easily get for example perfected siroria/relequen by paying for being carried like a bag of potatoes and getting all the loot. You can pay for vDSA carry runs and get master dual wield , destro staff or bow or perfected asulym destro staff in vAS HM without even knowing mechanics of vDSA or vAS and practicing it at all and those mentioned weapons are part of many BiS PvP setups that will give You many times adventage over players who dont have them. You can buy rare items that normally You would spend weeks or months on farming and retraiting just by buying them already with perfect traits for the gold You earned in few minutes by selling crowns.

The only BiS items You cannot get faster by spending the gold atm are maelstrom weapons. Rest You can simply get by paying for it directly or through carry runs. Especially when new update hits and there are new meta setups those players paying real life money for the gold and buying those BiS items for the gold are getting real adventage over people who play game normally and do not have accumulated large amounts of gold which takes some time to accomplish.

I personally know someone who is selling crowns for gold and he openly says "why should I spend time on playing the game the way I dont like and farm or progress through stuff , if I can just take weekend shift in my job which isnt even hard because in weekends there isnt much to do and for money I'll earn I can get everything I need in the game way faster then it would take normally"

Definition of pay to win You've linked describes excatly what's happening in ESO through gifting. You can buy the gold for real money and get certain BiS items instantly while there are "those playing for free who might otherwise need to spend time progressing in order to unlock said items". If that is definition of p2w then ESO is game with p2w element within.

Is it really all that game breaking that some people are willing to exchange real money for gold via crowns and then use that gold to get carried through a dungeon to get Bis gear?

I just don't see where this is a big deal. In full disclosure, I have not used the crowns for gold process as I have accumulated a few million in gold already and I can't find anything to spend it on as it is. I donate a bunch to my trading guild and make about 500,000 a week just doing crafting writs and simple adventuring.

It's not about is it or is it not game breaking but is p2w element exist or not. Some people will say it's game breaking some will say it isnt but it's not the point of discussion here.

I think Your point of view here is slightly blurred because You look at that subject from the perspective of someone who have been playing for a long time and actively been doing things bringing benefit. How long it took You to get to that point though ? Because now other people can get to that point in few hours without even playing the game. That is the difference that brings concerns.

Why does it bring concerns that someone can achieve it faster than I did? Why would one even care that someone else has the same thing quicker?

I've enjoyed the game a long while and have built 8 very distinctive adventurers / crafters. Other people want certain things faster so they can jump right into PvP or end game trials. Why would I have a porblem with that if I am enjoying my aspects of the game?

a PvPer that has "bought" Bis gear through carries is easy to see on the battlefield - they are the ones needing a res...

You still dont get the point. It's not about why You should or shouldnt care. It's simply about is it or is it not p2w element in the game. If we would talk about feelings from someones perspective then I am sure that even if ZoS would add some new unique weapons that would be very strong in PvP and only obtainable in crown store there would be still few people saying "why should I care I dont play PvP anyway and I enjoy what I am doing so everything is fine". Other people would be outraged and in both cases that would be the feelings not the facts and the facts are it would be pay to win. Fact those things doesnt affect You or Your feelings doesnt instantly mean it cannot be called p2w.

Even if getting best setups possible can be obtained by both paying or playing and both ways will bring You to similar results there will be still players playing to win or paying to win so pay to win element exist.

Trust me, I get your point - I simply disagree with it.

By giving Your feeling not the facts as an argument.

Dude what? Such ridiculous hypocrisy.

I could just copy paste Your comment as my answer to yours.

Juhasow · April 2019

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Of course You can buy BiS gear for gold. Even BoP one. Have You ever heared about carry runs ? You know what is the currency there ? Gold.

If your standard of "p2w" is "you can pay gold for a carry", then there's no reason to even discuss the concept with you. Your definition is so broad as to be useless.

(and again, it ignores the part where getting gold in game isn't that hard. It's not something that only comes from spending $.)

...it also ignores the part where gear is only a small part of being a "top" player. Maintaining proper rotations, having a good grasp of animation canceling, maintaining proper buffs... someone can spend gold to get all the best gear, and still suck.

Hell, people have been paying gold for carries in games since vanilla WoW and before.

There is always point to discuss something and most of the time when You refuse to discuss something by saying "there is no point to even discuss it if You say that...." it means You have no reasonable arguments to contradict that and You just think or "know in Your head" You're right but that doesnt mean You're right. It's not my definition. If You would follow history of my posts and how is started You would've known I responded to definition of pay to win posted by someone elses from wikipedia which pretty much matches what buying gold in ESO offers.

It doesnt matter how hard or easy getting gold is since hard and easy are subjective terms. What matters it's time needed to make certain amount of gold or to progress content where You can get certain gear. Time is an objective term. reality is You can get gold by buying it through gifting way faster then by getting it normal way especially if You're new player without background that would allow You to progress/get gold faster. reality is that there is no way regular player could get to cp 160 and then instantly start to farm vCR+2 or vAS HM or even vDSA when if he spends the money he can get all that gear as cp 160. Yes later on getting that stuff is getting easier but how much time is that "later on" actually ? Months at least so buying the gold is allowing You to skip the months of progression that would be required to farm certain item sets or sometimes to even buy them if they're expensive. Even getting simpliest things like spell strategist in perfect traits would normally take some time for new player who want to do it normal way when it takes minutes for someone that will buy the gold.

I am not ignoring the part that not only gear makes You "top" player I never said that just by spending the money You can become top player but the thing is that by spending the gold You can skip months of regular gameplay that would be required to get to the point from where You can start be recognised as decent player. Also lets not pretend that game requires that much to be effective player lately. Regular scrub can just use master dual wield or master destro staff and spam 1 button with his friends and just by that creating huge additional pressure and now people can get to that point in few hours after getting cp 160 by spending the real money while others still will have to spend way more time to get to that point. I personally know people that did this. There is multiple layers to how buying the gold for real life many can improve You as a player and get You to certain milestones faster.

Paying to get faster to the top is still paying to win and that is supported by the definition of pay to win that person I initially responded to linked. Even if by paying You just get the part of what will get You to the top it's still paying to win not playing to win. By that definition linked earlier gifting is clear pay to win element what we can discuss is how it can impact ESO as a game and is it enough to make ESO pay to win game or not. In my opinion it's not enough but still gifting is pay to win element.

lokulin · April 2019

I was ok with it first but I hear more stories of people with too much money making hundreds of millions of in game gold buy selling crowns and trade guilds raising funds for bidding wars through crown sales for gold. I feel that in the long term this is really going to be a negative impact on the way guild traders work.

karekiz · April 2019

How else will I buy DLC for gold?

MLGProPlayer · April 2019

Universe wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Universe wrote: »

Please share your thoughts

it's fine.

It's not fine at all.
It's pure P2W for the reasons I mentioned.

The gold currency is extremely useful, used for various purposes, such as: guild stores bidding, buying/upgrading gear, repair, crafting etc.

None of that leads to winning.

OwnerOfSuccuby · April 2019

Universe wrote: »

Hello,
Since Update 18 players are able to buy gold by real money by the following method:
1. Used their credit card to buy crown packs.
2. bought the crown store items.
3. They sold the items and received GOLD.

The gold currency is extremely useful, used for various purposes, such as: guild stores bidding, buying/upgrading gear, repair, crafting etc.
It is literally gold buying through the sale of crown store items, a form of P2W/Pay for Convenience.
While ZOS said it's fine to trade crown store item for gold, it became ridiculous how fast players were accumulating massive amounts of gold.
I believe that ZOS needs to change their mind about this and restrict or disallow it by some manner.
I suggested the following as the first step:
Please limit the number of gifts an account can deliver, for example:
1 gift of 1-500 crowns per week.
1 gift of 501-1,000 crowns per month.
1 gift of 1,001-1,500 crowns per 2 months.
1 gift of 1,501-3,000 crowns per 3 months.
1 gift of 3,001-5,000+ crowns per 6 months.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
I never participated in this form of trading and I believe it is inappropriate.
***Note: P2W/P2Convenience or not, it is harmful to ESO's game economy, such as: increasing inflation of prices, bids on guild traders are higher etc.
Please share your thoughts

Are you from other planet ? How can be pay to win where you can farm any gear by one day ? Pay to win is - when you have to farm top gear for ten years, but you can buy it for 5000 $ for example. Yes it is pay to win. But here you can farm any sets by single day, no top gear in game you can chouse anything you want.

Where is pay to win ?

Darkhorse1975 · April 2019

I feel sorry for the person trying to p2w by buying crown with gold but bought an item from the Pay to Lose catagory in the crown store.

Minyassa · April 2019

Some of us aren't swimming in real cash but would still like to have nice things sometimes, and are willing to put in the time and effort in-game to make the gold to buy crown store items from other players who are more fortunate in the area of real-life cash and less fortunate in the time to make gold. It's a pretty good symbiosis now. Kind of callous to want to ruin that just because someone with a fat wallet might be able to afford their Golden Vendor thing at the same time as someone with a lot more game time/experience/luck.

LoreToo · April 2019

How dare you. ESO is absolutely P2W. You need to buy dlc(or eso+) to make some dps(vMA weapons), some healing(spc/lolrim), some tanking (alkosh). Wanna be cool in pvp? Craft shacklebreaker (oh, you dont have cool guildhall with every craft station? Looks like you need to craft in in dlc zone . Or buy it), get earthgore(in dlc dungeon, and nerf it pls zos), and ect... Now you are talking about crown selling for gold. Realy. There is way mare problem points in this game, rather then gold selling by crowns

OwnerOfSuccuby · April 2019

LoreToo wrote: »

How dare you. ESO is absolutely P2W. You need to buy dlc(or eso+) to make some dps(vMA weapons), some healing(spc/lolrim), some tanking (alkosh). Wanna be cool in pvp? Craft shacklebreaker (oh, you dont have cool guildhall with every craft station? Looks like you need to craft in in dlc zone . Or buy it), get earthgore(in dlc dungeon, and nerf it pls zos), and ect... Now you are talking about crown selling for gold. Realy. There is way mare problem points in this game, rather then gold selling by crowns

VMA can be made in free trials weaks. My both characters use no dlc gear for pve and pvp.

If other player by trousers by gold it will not make him immortal in pvp or damage more. Just look better ... Or look terrible

FabresFour · April 2019

Dude, I live in Brazil, a country where everything from the outside is absurdly expensive, on an astronomically ridiculous level.

This exchange of gold x crown is literally the only way for many Brazilians to have access to various content such as cosmetics and DLC in the game. Do not assume that it is something negative just from your experience, the fact that this system exists, made the lives of many Brazilians much easier and more fun in The Elder Scrolls Online.

LoreToo · April 2019

OwnerOfSuccuby wrote: »

LoreToo wrote: »

How dare you. ESO is absolutely P2W. You need to buy dlc(or eso+) to make some dps(vMA weapons), some healing(spc/lolrim), some tanking (alkosh). Wanna be cool in pvp? Craft shacklebreaker (oh, you dont have cool guildhall with every craft station? Looks like you need to craft in in dlc zone . Or buy it), get earthgore(in dlc dungeon, and nerf it pls zos), and ect... Now you are talking about crown selling for gold. Realy. There is way mare problem points in this game, rather then gold selling by crowns

VMA can be made in free trials weaks. My both characters use no dlc gear for pve and pvp.

If other player by trousers by gold it will not make him immortal in pvp or damage more. Just look better ... Or look terrible

Right. If you are good in game with no dlc gear-thats realy great. But if you want minmax in high-end content you MUST get dlc sets, otherwise you will be worth then same person with same game-skill. Other part is pvp-some sets in first 2-3 weeks are way too OP, so ppl start using it for "easy ap". So, the main statement here is: wanna be beast beast - buy dlc/eso+/chapter ect.

thedovahmon · April 2019

LoreToo wrote: »

How dare you. ESO is absolutely P2W. You need to buy dlc(or eso+) to make some dps(vMA weapons), some healing(spc/lolrim), some tanking (alkosh). Wanna be cool in pvp? Craft shacklebreaker (oh, you dont have cool guildhall with every craft station? Looks like you need to craft in in dlc zone . Or buy it), get earthgore(in dlc dungeon, and nerf it pls zos), and ect... Now you are talking about crown selling for gold. Realy. There is way mare problem points in this game, rather then gold selling by crowns

LoreToo wrote: »

OwnerOfSuccuby wrote: »

LoreToo wrote: »

How dare you. ESO is absolutely P2W. You need to buy dlc(or eso+) to make some dps(vMA weapons), some healing(spc/lolrim), some tanking (alkosh). Wanna be cool in pvp? Craft shacklebreaker (oh, you dont have cool guildhall with every craft station? Looks like you need to craft in in dlc zone . Or buy it), get earthgore(in dlc dungeon, and nerf it pls zos), and ect... Now you are talking about crown selling for gold. Realy. There is way mare problem points in this game, rather then gold selling by crowns

VMA can be made in free trials weaks. My both characters use no dlc gear for pve and pvp.

If other player by trousers by gold it will not make him immortal in pvp or damage more. Just look better ... Or look terrible

Right. If you are good in game with no dlc gear-thats realy great. But if you want minmax in high-end content you MUST get dlc sets, otherwise you will be worth then same person with same game-skill. Other part is pvp-some sets in first 2-3 weeks are way too OP, so ppl start using it for "easy ap". So, the main statement here is: wanna be beast beast - buy dlc/eso+/chapter ect.

2 edits in one night, christ I need to get a hold of my emotions. but seriously. there are more than enough crafted, overland and dungeon sets in the base game that'll allow you to be very effective in end-game content. Silk of the Sun, Torug's Pact, Ebon armory. There are plenty of options available in the base game that'll allow you to nuke enemies and pull your weight in Trials and PVP.

Also by that logic games like Final Fantasy XIV are paid to win because they have expansion packs as well. DLCs that add a buttload of content aren't P2W...They're pay to experience new ***.

FabresFour · April 2019

LoreToo wrote: »

How dare you. ESO is absolutely P2W. You need to buy dlc(or eso+) to make some dps(vMA weapons), some healing(spc/lolrim), some tanking (alkosh). Wanna be cool in pvp? Craft shacklebreaker (oh, you dont have cool guildhall with every craft station? Looks like you need to craft in in dlc zone . Or buy it), get earthgore(in dlc dungeon, and nerf it pls zos), and ect... Now you are talking about crown selling for gold. Realy. There is way mare problem points in this game, rather then gold selling by crowns

Just remember that with this gold x crown trading system, you can purchase DLC's with gold.

A DLC like Orsinium? 600k ingame? It's a good value for a DLC, and takes away a lot of the pay-to-win aspects of the game.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · April 2019

Universe wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Universe wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

You’ve never participated in it but you want to restrict it?

As a Grand Master Crafter, Crown store exclusive motifs are my bane, I’ve had to buy them with gold from friends every time one is released. I have financial circumstances limiting my budget irl, why should I get restricted from collecting a new motif on my dedicated crafter because you don’t like other people having a mutually beneficial gold sink?

The ones who sold you the motifs earned the gold by using their real world money.
It is quite literally gold buying, like they approached some websites and bought their gold from the merchants for posted amount of real world currency, such as dollars.
Though in this case ZOS made the profit, not some third parties.
This isn't right and shouldn't be allowed.
No real world currency should allow the player to exchange it to gold.
What is currently being done:
1.Real world currency for crown packs.
2. Crown packs for crown store items.
3. Crown store items for gold.

So it is basically real world currency conversion to gold.
This is wrong and shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is now.
If ZOS doesn't want disallow it, they can at least restrict it.

Gina said in a forum post that Crowns were deemed a tradable item in game, thus trading crown items for gold was allowed.

Gold selling off-site is wrong and against TOS. Exchanging crown items for gold is allowed completely. Your arguments don’t make sense, they are not literally buying gold. Two players who agree on a price decide to make the trade.

They are exchanging the crown store items which they bought through crowns(bought by real money) to gold.
It's pure gold buying.
Zos can restrict it.

So apparently by your “definition” someone paying for a pet to gift to a friend is somehow “P2W”

Smh

zaria · April 2019

LoreToo wrote: »

How dare you. ESO is absolutely P2W. You need to buy dlc(or eso+) to make some dps(vMA weapons), some healing(spc/lolrim), some tanking (alkosh). Wanna be cool in pvp? Craft shacklebreaker (oh, you dont have cool guildhall with every craft station? Looks like you need to craft in in dlc zone . Or buy it), get earthgore(in dlc dungeon, and nerf it pls zos), and ect... Now you are talking about crown selling for gold. Realy. There is way mare problem points in this game, rather then gold selling by crowns

Almost all MMO has expansions you need to buy.
Many like WOW will even raise level cap with the new expansion and end game moves to the new zone while the old is leveling only. In short if you don't buy it you are locked out of all end game.
In ESO it only look you out of the specific content and gear / features.

RouDeR · April 2019

It is perfectly Fine i am happy to pay 450k gold for a DLC because i live in a poor country

Izaki · April 2019

Pretty sure ZOS already said that it was fine multiple times.

NoTimeToWait · April 2019

I am fine, thanks. I can have all those shiny things by spending useless millions of gold instead of useful dollars

OwnerOfSuccuby · April 2019

He just have new cincept of pay to win. He do nothing and always win, even to thouse who play batter. All sets drips to him by only his wish, have not even need do do something. And others need to hardly farm them.

All can be farmed by 1 day if you have dlc or premium. If somebody have no money in real life, what a problem to buy it by gold.

Just do not want to do anything? Do not do, what is the problems to others do it?

If you want to farm any gear - spend 1 day and get all you need. No problem with it. You do not need farm for years.

Or is the fact that some body buy good fashion style iverpoweted and pay to win ? No for all normal people. If problem for you, do the same. Farm for it or just buy it.