Disappointed by the use of exploits in Cyrodiil

LeinadOrarogep · April 2019

The facts:

Yesterday i was a DC in Cyrodiil, and i assisted to a single EP guy somehow enter Glademist and take the scroll of Altadoon.
He then fled away at a speed faster than my (and everyone else's) 60/60/60 horse on Rapids.
He was also making incredibly long jumps.
10 or so of us tried chasing him and bring him down, to no avail - he was by far too fast, that by the time we dismounted to shoot at him, he was already out of range.
People in zone chat were talking about him - he was a well known character of 26/27 level only, was reported multiple times, and everyone's attitude could be summarized as "he's cheating, there's nothing we can do about it"

My opinions:

I am quite sure this was an exploit: the speed and the jumps he was making were unnatural.
Also when i noticed him in Glade, he was in one of the fort's keeps, and doing something strange: shooting with a ballista from the wall, towards the inside of the corner keep, sneakily (as much as you can be with a ballista). Maybe this was so that the keep registered as being under attack, and he could steal the scroll?
I've always been very complacent of ZOS, and still am. They work hard to bring us a great game, and most of the time they only get grilled here on the forums. But i really enjoy their work and will keep playing and supporting and paying for the game.
That said, this event really rattled my confidence. How can you compete against exploits?
Most importantly: this was an obvious one, but what if more subtle ones exist? Like exploits for permanent shield, incredibly high stamina/magicka/health max values or recovery, and so on? Things that are not as blatant, but still give you an incredible edge?

When i began playing, i was scared of PVP: i was (and still am) and old and n00b guy. But then i began trying it out, for the events. And i liked it, a lot. Especially the big, epic battles for defending and attacking resources. I was still being killed a lot, but i had fun. Lately i improved my build, gilded myself out, and became actually decent, and was having a lot of fun. Everything about the way Cyrodiil is designed is great - sieges, resources, chokepoints... Zergs and ball groups do not bother me (it's way, baby!), and the only criticism is that i would like a better hierarchy of groups to coordinate more strategically.
But yesterday this happened, and i am really sad. It makes me feel as if i am playing on the losing side, always, regardless of how much effort i put in it. The exploits always win.

I'm not making any demands, treating or suggesting to unsubscribe. I'm just really dismayed and wanted to share this with you.

wishlist14 · April 2019

Cheating should be reported. Did you write his name down or take a screen shot so you can put in a ticket. I'm sure you can report exploits. Zos do look into it. Google " eso support" .

LeinadOrarogep · April 2019

While i personally did not, multiple people in zone said that they just did.

Plus, he was a well known cheater: he had already been reported in the past, and his character got banned, apparently. This was another character, but the same account.
I honestly don't know what to make of this last tidbit - it seems strange to me that ZOS would ban a character, and not the whole account.

MJallday · April 2019

At the risk of being shot down are You sure he wasn’t running max cowards gear and points into running/speed with swift and rapids stuff? It could be a speed build

Fair enough if not but there are a lot of ways of going faster than a horse

LeinadOrarogep · April 2019

Yes, it was something like this, but he was waaay faster.
What is this "bunnyhopping" thing?

LeinadOrarogep · April 2019

MJallday wrote: »

At the risk of being shot down are You sure he wasn’t running max cowards gear and points into running/speed with swift and rapids stuff? It could be a speed build

Fair enough if not but there are a lot of ways of going faster than a horse

I have no way to know... could be, but it would seem strange to me on a lvl 27 char. I really don't know, could be?
Just to be clear, he was faster than a horse on rapids.

OlumoGarbag · April 2019

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/454135/not-your-average-pvp#latest

Nothing new its all explained here

Sheezabeast · April 2019

MJallday wrote: »

At the risk of being shot down are You sure he wasn’t running max cowards gear and points into running/speed with swift and rapids stuff? It could be a speed build

Fair enough if not but there are a lot of ways of going faster than a horse

At that low of a level? 26/27 the OP said.

LeinadOrarogep · April 2019

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/454135/not-your-average-pvp#latest

Nothing new its all explained here

Yes, it's similar to that... for the jumps. It was way way faster, though.

By the way, the thread you referenced also names the same guy that i saw yesterday. I won't repeat here for the naming/shaming clause, but it's him, and as you can see he is well known.

I mean, this is really disheartening... it makes no sense to play in Cyrodiil if the situation is like this, and that common.

OlumoGarbag · April 2019

Yes at that low lvl. Its only partly exploits a lot of it is battle scaling. Cp stats and skills scale better on low lvls.

And to "exploiting" stats, that is not possible. You actually need to get good gear to pull something off.

LeinadOrarogep · April 2019

I don't understand, you mean this is by design? So, this is a legal build?

Tonnopesce · April 2019

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

At the risk of being shot down are You sure he wasn’t running max cowards gear and points into running/speed with swift and rapids stuff? It could be a speed build

Fair enough if not but there are a lot of ways of going faster than a horse

I have no way to know... could be, but it would seem strange to me on a lvl 27 char. I really don't know, could be?
Just to be clear, he was faster than a horse on rapids.

With my orc stamplar, speed buffed, steed mundus the cp passive and the griffon buff i already can run faster than a horse 60/60/60 (not on rapid tho)
It can be a legit use of sets and buffs but we cannot know for shure.

Sheezabeast · April 2019

If they were indeed exploiting the Mundas the way the linked thread described, yes that would be against the rules just like the double Mundas exploit was. As far as gear and food, that’s not really exploiting.

OlumoGarbag · April 2019

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

I don't understand, you mean this is by design? So, this is a legal build?

It's semi legal yes. It's a combination of battlescaling and different mechanics. And some of which shown in the video are already fixed. If you want I can make a in detail thread dedicated to how it was created and how zenimax fixed it mostly.

LeinadOrarogep · April 2019

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

It's semi legal yes. It's a combination of battlescaling and different mechanics. And some of which shown in the video are already fixed. If you want I can make a in detail thread dedicated to how it was created and how zenimax fixed it mostly.

Thanks for the explanation, and for the offer.

I don't think i wanna know more about this... it's already quite depressing, to be honest.

I think i'll just quit Cyrodiil and go back to PVE.

heng14rwb17_ESO · April 2019

ACTIVATING DOOR HACK NOW !
ACTIVATING 300% RUN SPEED HACK NOW !
ACTIVATING ULTRA LONG DISTANCE JUMP NOW !

Ankael07 · April 2019

MJallday wrote: »

At the risk of being shot down are You sure he wasn’t running max cowards gear and points into running/speed with swift and rapids stuff? It could be a speed build

Fair enough if not but there are a lot of ways of going faster than a horse

Theres a speed limit for players on foot and it not even half of riding speed

OlumoGarbag · April 2019

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

It's semi legal yes. It's a combination of battlescaling and different mechanics. And some of which shown in the video are already fixed. If you want I can make a in detail thread dedicated to how it was created and how zenimax fixed it mostly.

Thanks for the explanation, and for the offer.

I don't think i wanna know more about this... it's already quite depressing, to be honest.

I think i'll just quit Cyrodiil and go back to PVE.

It's just a matter of ignoring, his skills are quite limited. The best advice to troll tanks and builds is just ignore them and it'll die out. Try out battlegrounds it's without cp and there are no low lvl players, so you will get a fair fight in 90% of the matches

laksikus · April 2019

Ankael07 wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

At the risk of being shot down are You sure he wasn’t running max cowards gear and points into running/speed with swift and rapids stuff? It could be a speed build

Fair enough if not but there are a lot of ways of going faster than a horse

Theres a speed limit for players on foot and it not even half of riding speed

thats only half true

LeinadOrarogep · April 2019

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

It's just a matter of ignoring, his skills are quite limited. The best advice to troll tanks and builds is just ignore them and it'll die out. Try out battlegrounds it's without cp and there are no low lvl players, so you will get a fair fight in 90% of the matches

If it were just a troll, that would be manageable... but this one stole a scrolls, that's a huge advantage, and something that requires a lot of work and coordination with many players to get back...
...and he did it alone.

It really makes no sense to work in large scale sieges and battles if a bunch of players like this can win a campaign by stealing the scrolls.

I tried BGs, but it's way too hard for me. They're nice, but i get plastered over the walls.

laksikus · April 2019

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

It's just a matter of ignoring, his skills are quite limited. The best advice to troll tanks and builds is just ignore them and it'll die out. Try out battlegrounds it's without cp and there are no low lvl players, so you will get a fair fight in 90% of the matches

If it were just a troll, that would be manageable... but this one stole a scrolls, that's a huge advantage, and something that requires a lot of work and coordination with many players to get back...
...and he did it alone.

It really makes no sense to work in large scale sieges and battles if a bunch of players like this can win a campaign by stealing the scrolls.

I tried BGs, but it's way too hard for me. They're nice, but i get plastered over the walls.

nobody is stopping you fron copying his build and doing the same.
only then you will finf out that its actually not as easy as it looks, like every other min maxed build in the hands of an experienced player

Angi · April 2019

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

Thanks for the explanation, and for the offer.

I don't think i wanna know more about this... it's already quite depressing, to be honest.

I think i'll just quit Cyrodiil and go back to PVE.

Then go back to pve, really, you are not the first player who dont understand how this game works or that have 0 knowledge about the posibilities of a player and when they see something unusual for them they claim that is cheatting/exploit and try to report. There is NOTHING (not semi, just nothing) ilegal about what that player is doin, this other person before me already explained mostly what is happenin (low level scale better with battle spirit for example,and he is max cp) so is not impossible to do what he does (stayin alive inside a keep on sneak and then when alone siege it and tagg it for surprise enemies and take the scroll is an old tactic, just part of the game), however, in order to get his speed/tankiness build he sacrificed to have damage (really, he wont kill you,he cant, he deals 0 damage) so is not like he is superman or something, just a player that love makes weirds and unique builds (again, for make this build he sacrificed damage, or also he can only be low level,so if he wants to play it again,he will need to make a new toon). He is hard to kill cause he has a lot of health ,already got the resto ultimate and use skills like the heavy armor one for gain inmunity to cc or skill one for remove snares (so he remove all snares etc and thanks he inmunity due heavy armor and maybe inmov pots,plus his insane speed due his build he can excape so easy)
basically : first you need to catch him (hard due speed, and knowledge of bunny hop), then you need to try stop him (hard cause keep castin inmunnity skills and remove snares one) and then kill him (hard cause high health and resistance due his build and low level duel battle scaling)

About "the super jumps" is just somethin called "bunny hop", just press your walk key button on keyboard and then shift + direction key + space ,is not easy to do,i barely can do it 2 consecutives times,so the fact that he can do it so well just shows how he actually has learned it well to do it.

So please,stop tryin to report everything that go beyond your ingamme knowledge, try first to think how he can get a playstyle like this. I dont doubt that could be exploiters around,but he certanly isnt one ,as i said, his build is just for pure fun and for what you see,he cant do much else except trollin people who try kill him.

And really ,already saw many many people trying report him or report other stuff just cause they have no idea, and i doubt Zos will bann thos players just cause they DON'T have reason to do it,he is not doin something ilegal,so if Zos would bann him would just mean they have not knowledge about their own game,and that they only listen to the whinny and ignorant part of the playerbase.

OlumoGarbag · April 2019

Sheesh thats quite a rant, im pretty sure exzi can defend himself.

Also its not 100% wanted by EULA since it requires a macro to do the non-flatland bunny hops. At least Zenimax fixed the ww bug mostly

laksikus · April 2019

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Sheesh thats quite a rant, im pretty sure exzi can defend himself.

Also its not 100% wanted by EULA since it requires a macro to do the non-flatland bunny hops. At least Zenimax fixed the ww bug mostly

it doesnt need macro to do the walk bunny hop xD

Knootewoot · April 2019

I seen the same thing with an Argonian called "dont report me" or similar.

He run faster than a mount with rapids, with no resting from the EP gate to chalman. Nobody can have that much stamina in think.
He was also low level (18) and not even entire zergs could touch him.

If this can be achieved by a build, something is definitely broken.

Merlight · April 2019

Angi wrote: »

About "the super jumps" is just somethin called "bunny hop", just press your walk key button on keyboard and then shift + direction key + space ,is not easy to do,i barely can do it 2 consecutives times,so the fact that he can do it so well just shows how he actually has learned it well to do it.

Sounds like exploiting some silly movement bug. Nice try painting it as a feature. Waiting to see it added to loading screen tips.

Angi · April 2019

Merlight wrote: »

Angi wrote: »

About "the super jumps" is just somethin called "bunny hop", just press your walk key button on keyboard and then shift + direction key + space ,is not easy to do,i barely can do it 2 consecutives times,so the fact that he can do it so well just shows how he actually has learned it well to do it.

Sounds like exploiting some silly movement bug. Nice try painting it as a feature. Waiting to see it added to loading screen tips.

so in your book animated cancelin is exploit too for example?

jbjondeaueb17_ESO · April 2019

Angi wrote: »

Merlight wrote: »

Angi wrote: »

About "the super jumps" is just somethin called "bunny hop", just press your walk key button on keyboard and then shift + direction key + space ,is not easy to do,i barely can do it 2 consecutives times,so the fact that he can do it so well just shows how he actually has learned it well to do it.

Sounds like exploiting some silly movement bug. Nice try painting it as a feature. Waiting to see it added to loading screen tips.

so in your book animated cancelin is exploit too for example?

It was the case until ZOS realized they couldn't fix the issue, so it became a feature.

TequilaFire · April 2019

Jumping/bunny hopping should cost stamina.

OwnerOfSuccuby · April 2019

What to say - i am waiting when all bugs with sorcs will be removed. The immortal body with 3 pets abd 2 shields. Immortal pets, near immortal sorc and all attacs always go to pets.

Why i attack pets when i rarget sorc with tab ??? Sorc is targeted not pet - why all attacks go to immortalpet ? Why do not it fixed?

Do it not strong enough to have 2 damaged shields? Why all my attacs go to pet ? I target sorc fix bug. Do pet less priority - it is bug !!! It iss immortal and all attacks go to it ! It is not normal ! Do target/ no target system just for fun this game? All goes to pet, no damage go to target that i lock in tab - why bugs nof fixing?

Mayrael · April 2019

... and this was an obvious cheater. How many players is out there that use things like this in a more subtle way?