Disappointed by the use of exploits in Cyrodiil

SaucyMcSauceface

Ankael07 wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

At the risk of being shot down are You sure he wasn’t running max cowards gear and points into running/speed with swift and rapids stuff? It could be a speed build

Fair enough if not but there are a lot of ways of going faster than a horse

Theres a speed limit for players on foot and it not even half of riding speed

I have a toon that can run at over 200% speed I can outrun anything except a speed 60 horse that also has rapids. He is specced purely for scroll running, and I am yet to meet any group that can catch him.

Juhasow

laksikus wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

... and this was an obvious cheater. How many players is out there that use things like this in a more subtle way?

tell us how he is cheating please

It's a well known exploit that allows You to jump with significantly increased distance and speed. From obvious reasons I wont explain how to perform that but it's possible to do in game without use of any 3rd party software. It just involves proper use of certain in game things. Lot of PC EU players also knows who is person causing that trouble if "level 26-27" phrase is mentioned. There are even people trying to use it in PvE content to avoid certain mechanics.

Here is an example in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kELquo99hh0

thats nit cheating
ich thats clever use if game mechanics

Using mechanics in unintended way to get adventage over other players = exploiting = cheating. Clever or not it's still cheating.

exploiting =/= cheating
eg a low level char with cp us certe


and if bunny hops are unintended is not clear.
zos could have fixed that since 5years if they dont wanted us to use how their speed System works. and they know tgat its used in PVE and PVP.
funny enough nobody calls for cheats if pve players are doing it

Exploiting is cheating since You take adventage over other player from using exploits aka unintended features to get that adventage so You simply cheat and do not play fair.

Define what bunny hops means for You. If You mean those longer faster jumps that requires certain combination of clicks You will need loot of mud in Your eyes to say it is not clear for You is it intended or not. Zos could have fixed many things faster but they dont but that doesnt mean those things suddenly become features. Also I dont think that bug exists 5 years without any breaks. When it comes to PvE depends when and how that is used. If it's used in overland zones just for memes then You dont harm anyone with that. If You use it in trials to jumo away fromcertain AoE then it's cheating. The only reason why it's less common in PvE is because less people use it there to get actual adventage over players from that and many times when they do that it's happening inside trials/dungeons which are closed instances so there is limited amount of people who can see that behaviour and report it.

r34lian

Lol people exploit pve and you complain of pvp

susmitds

Rikumaru wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3SUoTB2lCcA

Bunny bunny.

Isn't that music used by the infamous CS 1.6 and Source bunny hacker Phoon?

Kel

Soul19reaper wrote: »

Lol people exploit pve and you complain of pvp

Or...or...anyone who cheats no matter what game mode is a pathetic PoS?

That's more the case...

laksikus

Rake wrote: »

whoever justifies cheating should be banned as well.

whoever falsely reports someone for something shoukd get the same punishment as if he did it himself

laksikus

Juhasow wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

... and this was an obvious cheater. How many players is out there that use things like this in a more subtle way?

tell us how he is cheating please

It's a well known exploit that allows You to jump with significantly increased distance and speed. From obvious reasons I wont explain how to perform that but it's possible to do in game without use of any 3rd party software. It just involves proper use of certain in game things. Lot of PC EU players also knows who is person causing that trouble if "level 26-27" phrase is mentioned. There are even people trying to use it in PvE content to avoid certain mechanics.

Here is an example in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kELquo99hh0

thats nit cheating
ich thats clever use if game mechanics

Using mechanics in unintended way to get adventage over other players = exploiting = cheating. Clever or not it's still cheating.

exploiting =/= cheating
eg a low level char with cp us certe


and if bunny hops are unintended is not clear.
zos could have fixed that since 5years if they dont wanted us to use how their speed System works. and they know tgat its used in PVE and PVP.
funny enough nobody calls for cheats if pve players are doing it

Exploiting is cheating since You take adventage over other player from using exploits aka unintended features to get that adventage so You simply cheat and do not play fair.

so what about having a low level with gold gear in a cp campaign. what about the numerouse strange scaling effects from skills we had to find out ourself.
nobody ever explained battle level completely. low levels use advantages over other players daily. and those are definitly things i would rather call exploits than jumping while sprinting. and abusing battle level is still no cheat, but a not bannable exploit

Juhasow

laksikus wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

... and this was an obvious cheater. How many players is out there that use things like this in a more subtle way?

tell us how he is cheating please

It's a well known exploit that allows You to jump with significantly increased distance and speed. From obvious reasons I wont explain how to perform that but it's possible to do in game without use of any 3rd party software. It just involves proper use of certain in game things. Lot of PC EU players also knows who is person causing that trouble if "level 26-27" phrase is mentioned. There are even people trying to use it in PvE content to avoid certain mechanics.

Here is an example in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kELquo99hh0

thats nit cheating
ich thats clever use if game mechanics

Using mechanics in unintended way to get adventage over other players = exploiting = cheating. Clever or not it's still cheating.

exploiting =/= cheating
eg a low level char with cp us certe


and if bunny hops are unintended is not clear.
zos could have fixed that since 5years if they dont wanted us to use how their speed System works. and they know tgat its used in PVE and PVP.
funny enough nobody calls for cheats if pve players are doing it

Exploiting is cheating since You take adventage over other player from using exploits aka unintended features to get that adventage so You simply cheat and do not play fair.

so what about having a low level with gold gear in a cp campaign. what about the numerouse strange scaling effects from skills we had to find out ourself.
nobody ever explained battle level completely. low levels use advantages over other players daily. and those are definitly things i would rather call exploits than jumping while sprinting. and abusing battle level is still no cheat, but a not bannable exploit

That's a nice delusion You have here. Battle leveling can be explained is 1 simple phrase : "the lower level You have the stronger stats buffing You get and it's going to be lwoered with each level You get up to max lv". Yes You can check how excatly that works but it'll be still feature that is intended and designed by devs to kinda compensate for average low low lv not having acces to abilities and gear max levels have.Finding out how excatly that scaling works is like finding out what setups are BiS for end game. You just do tests and comparisions. There is no exploiting here. Dont try to compare that to situation when somebody is using certain combination of buttons to get unintended effect of longer and faster jumps to get edventage over players the way developers didnt implemented intentionally. Trying to put both exploited jumps and battle leveling in the same basket and by that giving them both as examples of exploiting is pure delusion and just looking the excuses for exploiting things like said jumps.

Kikke

There is an cheat engine currently active for ESO. All these forums dwellers that say blindly that this is just a build is either very naive or using it themself.

LeinadOrarogep

Also, whether or not bunny hopping or battle leveling "exploiting" are cheats or not, a key point came up to me regarding that episode.

How did the get inside the keep to get the scroll?

The siege engine he placed was pointed towards one of the corner towers, and used only to trigger the "under siege" status.

But how did he get the scrolls without destroying neither walls nor doors?

If this is not cheating, then i don't know what is.

(and no, he was not already inside the keep. I saw him on the battlement of the corner tower, where he place the siege)

Karius_Imalthar

I have seen a lot of, what I would call, exploits over time in PvP and, sadly, there doesn't seem to be much response from ZOS. They are not always cheats but they may be exploiting or, at least, taking advantage of set stacking to get a ridiculously high run speed. It feels like the most response from devs I ever see is a silent patch or change to an item set.

LeinadOrarogep

Just an update, on another thread I saw these very recent videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCurAHP8GMGYqfljBCLVZCAw

It’s really sad, it’s like these people do not even need to hide.

Grilled_Shroom

If this was Vivec EU I know exactly who it Is, I play Vivec every day and he is doing this a lot, jumps from resource towers into keeps, tanks the faction taking the scroll and Is way over speed cap. I play EP and I've called it in zone chat numerous times! There have also been YouTube videos of him doing this!

aetherial_heavenn

SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

At the risk of being shot down are You sure he wasn’t running max cowards gear and points into running/speed with swift and rapids stuff? It could be a speed build

Fair enough if not but there are a lot of ways of going faster than a horse

Theres a speed limit for players on foot and it not even half of riding speed

I have a toon that can run at over 200% speed I can outrun anything except a speed 60 horse that also has rapids. He is specced purely for scroll running, and I am yet to meet any group that can catch him.

The OP said the alleged cheater outran maxed horses using rapids. By a lot.

Thogard

TriangularChicken wrote: »

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

While bunny hopping is definitely exploitative (unintended speed and jump distance is not even up for discussion to say it's not cheating), going faster than a maxed out horse isn't hard. I have gear I can swap into to do that easily, and if I was running a scroll like that it's what I would be wearing - in fact that's exactly why I have gear in my inventory set up that way. There's a bunch of ways to do it, but mine is darkstride, cowards gear, swift jewels, and steed mundus with CP into the sprint passive. You'll be able to run faster than horses, have permanent sprint major expedition (so no need to run warden wings or rapids) and you'll never run out of stamina if you did it right

I agree that long jumps are a exploit, but how exactly is bunny hopping one? Please don't tell me that you are not able to hit bunny hopping enemies..in a game with tab target (although the tab target system isn't perfect, it's good enough to hit bunny hoppers) ...please don't, that would be ridiculous

Bunny hopping IS that kind of jumping.

aetherial_heavenn wrote: »

SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

At the risk of being shot down are You sure he wasn’t running max cowards gear and points into running/speed with swift and rapids stuff? It could be a speed build

Fair enough if not but there are a lot of ways of going faster than a horse

Theres a speed limit for players on foot and it not even half of riding speed

I have a toon that can run at over 200% speed I can outrun anything except a speed 60 horse that also has rapids. He is specced purely for scroll running, and I am yet to meet any group that can catch him.

The OP said the alleged cheater outran maxed horses using rapids. By a lot.

Horse speed and foot speed have the same cap - 200%.

Bunny hopping can go faster than the cap.

Bunny hopping is in the game just like animation cancelling. It isn’t an exploit.

BUT it’s very hard to do reliably. From what I understand, the only way to do it consistently is to use a macro, which would absolutely be cheating.

Do we know that this guy is a cheater? No. And it’s innapropriate to assume that he is.

But if I had to bet id say that either a macro is being used OR the OP doesn’t actually have maxed out speed to chase. Probably both idk.

f047ys3v3n

Well, another 3am thread that gets to survive a few hours until a mod gets on. I might as well post before the mod locks it since it contains videos of the cheats that arn't supposed to exist.

1) Cheats are common in ESO and have been for years.
2) Basically nobody gets banned for it unless they talk about it while doing it, while streaming it (would love to name and shame that guy because he is fun to troll. In fairness though he stood up against cheats for a very long time before ZOS ignoring them for years got him on the bandwagon). In this case they typically only get a temp ban. Seriously, your just wasting your time submitting tickets. If you want to hurt a cheater have 10 of your friends all submit a harassment ticket for the cheating player at the same time. That will at lest get him a couple of day time out. I have never heard of somebody getting even a timeout from a cheating ticket submission.
3) Basically, all the important variables in the game are client side and ZOS runs only a few rudimentary checks on them. There is a lot of room to memory hack.
4) A couple years ago ZOS addressed the cheating by making the memory locations for key stats a little harder to find. As such the cheats are now more exclusive.
5) Some of the cheats I have seen are not even straight up variable hacks but look to be developer tools that must exist in the code and which cheaters have found and activated.
6) ZOS is really, really, quick to completely erase threads that show videos proving cheats. This is 3AM on Easter and that is the only reason it's still up. Go ahead, bookmark the thread, it will be gone tomorrow.

Now the really crazy stuff
1) All their top PVE players run the cheats and openly post videos of doing things not even remotely possible legitimately. Don't believe me, watch their videos. 15 seconds to kill end vMA boss with 90+k dps (Would love to name and shame that guy). I don't know if anybody seriously buys this sort of stuff or if it is just a contest for who can play the best with cheats. Perhaps even funnier are the 8min vCR+3 runs with no deaths (Honestly, one of these guilds used to be so skilled, with videos that amazed me with their clean coordination back in the vMoL days but the cheats have made them get pretty sloppy lately I think my guild failing at +2 looked generally cleaner than they did with no deaths at +3 in 8 min). The stuff they take to the face without dying is comical.
2) These are the actual guilds they use to test their stuff. Does ZOS not know, not care? I'll tell you what the result is though. Some stuff is scaled so you would actually have to run cheats to do it. vCR+3 without cheats, not going to happen. The damage output required coupled with the impressive amount of unavoidable damage makes this not even close to possible. I think +1 is probably the best a no cheats group could do and that is a pretty close run thing.
3) PVP is just dominated by a small group of cheaters who all know each other. There excellent players and would wreck face without cheats but they sure lay them on. I have no idea why ZOS just lets the PVP experience of all players be wrecked by a few.
4) Interestingly, not all the top PVE guilds seem to be using the same exact cheats. This is indicated by very different amounts of damage taken in vCR+3 from unavoidable oblivion damage sources. This differing cheat performance suggests that different guilds have different hackers finding different memory locations to alter.
5) ZOS does not spend the time and effort to combat cheats in game but they actually sued the cheat engine makers (a program that is a non-specific memory editor which has existed for many years) into basically closing their forums. For the amount they spent throwing lawyers at that they could easily have hired a few programmers and CS people to detect and ban cheaters like every other MMO ever made does.

At this point I don't even blame the cheaters. This has been going on for years without being addressed and now ZOS is even scaling their endgame content for it. I have never heard of another MMO like this. It's crazy.

You have a great single player game here ZOS but preventing cheats is basically the number 1 thing necessary for MMO elements to work and you suck at that so your MMO elements suck.

laksikus

this thread was a joke from the start. and i was laughing about certain peoples ignorance about game mechanics.
but you just took it to another level. i hope you are joking, if not its a l2p issue

Thogard

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Well, another 3am thread that gets to survive a few hours until a mod gets on. I might as well post before the mod locks it since it contains videos of the cheats that arn't supposed to exist.

1) Cheats are common in ESO and have been for years.
2) Basically nobody gets banned for it unless they talk about it while doing it, while streaming it (would love to name and shame that guy because he is fun to troll. In fairness though he stood up against cheats for a very long time before ZOS ignoring them for years got him on the bandwagon). In this case they typically only get a temp ban. Seriously, your just wasting your time submitting tickets. If you want to hurt a cheater have 10 of your friends all submit a harassment ticket for the cheating player at the same time. That will at lest get him a couple of day time out. I have never heard of somebody getting even a timeout from a cheating ticket submission.
3) Basically, all the important variables in the game are client side and ZOS runs only a few rudimentary checks on them. There is a lot of room to memory hack.
4) A couple years ago ZOS addressed the cheating by making the memory locations for key stats a little harder to find. As such the cheats are now more exclusive.
5) Some of the cheats I have seen are not even straight up variable hacks but look to be developer tools that must exist in the code and which cheaters have found and activated.
6) ZOS is really, really, quick to completely erase threads that show videos proving cheats. This is 3AM on Easter and that is the only reason it's still up. Go ahead, bookmark the thread, it will be gone tomorrow.

Now the really crazy stuff
1) All their top PVE players run the cheats and openly post videos of doing things not even remotely possible legitimately. Don't believe me, watch their videos. 15 seconds to kill end vMA boss with 90+k dps (Would love to name and shame that guy). I don't know if anybody seriously buys this sort of stuff or if it is just a contest for who can play the best with cheats. Perhaps even funnier are the 8min vCR+3 runs with no deaths (Honestly, one of these guilds used to be so skilled, with videos that amazed me with their clean coordination back in the vMoL days but the cheats have made them get pretty sloppy lately I think my guild failing at +2 looked generally cleaner than they did with no deaths at +3 in 8 min). The stuff they take to the face without dying is comical.
2) These are the actual guilds they use to test their stuff. Does ZOS not know, not care? I'll tell you what the result is though. Some stuff is scaled so you would actually have to run cheats to do it. vCR+3 without cheats, not going to happen. The damage output required coupled with the impressive amount of unavoidable damage makes this not even close to possible. I think +1 is probably the best a no cheats group could do and that is a pretty close run thing.
3) PVP is just dominated by a small group of cheaters who all know each other. There excellent players and would wreck face without cheats but they sure lay them on. I have no idea why ZOS just lets the PVP experience of all players be wrecked by a few.
4) Interestingly, not all the top PVE guilds seem to be using the same exact cheats. This is indicated by very different amounts of damage taken in vCR+3 from unavoidable oblivion damage sources. This differing cheat performance suggests that different guilds have different hackers finding different memory locations to alter.
5) ZOS does not spend the time and effort to combat cheats in game but they actually sued the cheat engine makers (a program that is a non-specific memory editor which has existed for many years) into basically closing their forums. For the amount they spent throwing lawyers at that they could easily have hired a few programmers and CS people to detect and ban cheaters like every other MMO ever made does.

At this point I don't even blame the cheaters. This has been going on for years without being addressed and now ZOS is even scaling their endgame content for it. I have never heard of another MMO like this. It's crazy.

You have a great single player game here ZOS but preventing cheats is basically the number 1 thing necessary for MMO elements to work and you suck at that so your MMO elements suck.

This isn’t true. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

The vast majority of the variables you’re referring to are server side, not client side.

Only character position and movement are client side, which is why the one or two actual cheat videos that show actual cheats involve people moving through the air or teleporting to impossible to reach places.

Asmael

@f047ys3v3n Go on a target dummy with your best build and record a parse, posting your gear, food and mundus. I want to see what a "best possible DPS setup without using cheats" can do.

LeinadOrarogep

In the end, the specific cheats do not matter: it's enough for me to see people fly and phase through keep walls (or whatever that dude did in my initial post).

It's a matter of trust, and i see that nothing is being done to ensure that trust. The "security by obscurity" behaviour exhibited by ZOS ("we do not talk about cheats") does not help, even if they actually do something to combat them. The correct way to address cheating would be to acknowledge it publicly and talk in the patch notes what is being done to combat them.

This breach of trust for me seals the deal, as i now know that one cannot excel in PVP without cheats.

As for cheats in PVE... well that too is sad to see. I actually did not think about it, but of course if there are PVP cheats, these will be used also in PVE, why not? They would be even harder to detect, since no one is watching you and reporting while in a trial.

This in a sense brings me peace: i know that all that stuff about rotation, DPS parse, weaving, animation cancelling... none of that matters. Trials and end game PVE content is completed using cheats, that's the truth.

laksikus

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

In the end, the specific cheats do not matter: it's enough for me to see people fly and phase through keep walls (or whatever that dude did in my initial post).

It's a matter of trust, and i see that nothing is being done to ensure that trust. The "security by obscurity" behaviour exhibited by ZOS ("we do not talk about cheats") does not help, even if they actually do something to combat them. The correct way to address cheating would be to acknowledge it publicly and talk in the patch notes what is being done to combat them.

This breach of trust for me seals the deal, as i now know that one cannot excel in PVP without cheats.

As for cheats in PVE... well that too is sad to see. I actually did not think about it, but of course if there are PVP cheats, these will be used also in PVE, why not? They would be even harder to detect, since no one is watching you and reporting while in a trial.

This in a sense brings me peace: i know that all that stuff about rotation, DPS parse, weaving, animation cancelling... none of that matters. Trials and end game PVE content is completed using cheats, that's the truth.

the guy in your initial post didnt use any code altering. he didnt fly or phase into the keep. he probably sieged it and hid inside

and endgame pve isnt completed using cheats most of the time.

nud3_voxel

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Well, another 3am thread that gets to survive a few hours until a mod gets on. I might as well post before the mod locks it since it contains videos of the cheats that arn't supposed to exist.

1) Cheats are common in ESO and have been for years.
2) Basically nobody gets banned for it unless they talk about it while doing it, while streaming it (would love to name and shame that guy because he is fun to troll. In fairness though he stood up against cheats for a very long time before ZOS ignoring them for years got him on the bandwagon). In this case they typically only get a temp ban. Seriously, your just wasting your time submitting tickets. If you want to hurt a cheater have 10 of your friends all submit a harassment ticket for the cheating player at the same time. That will at lest get him a couple of day time out. I have never heard of somebody getting even a timeout from a cheating ticket submission.
3) Basically, all the important variables in the game are client side and ZOS runs only a few rudimentary checks on them. There is a lot of room to memory hack.
4) A couple years ago ZOS addressed the cheating by making the memory locations for key stats a little harder to find. As such the cheats are now more exclusive.
5) Some of the cheats I have seen are not even straight up variable hacks but look to be developer tools that must exist in the code and which cheaters have found and activated.
6) ZOS is really, really, quick to completely erase threads that show videos proving cheats. This is 3AM on Easter and that is the only reason it's still up. Go ahead, bookmark the thread, it will be gone tomorrow.

Now the really crazy stuff
1) All their top PVE players run the cheats and openly post videos of doing things not even remotely possible legitimately. Don't believe me, watch their videos. 15 seconds to kill end vMA boss with 90+k dps (Would love to name and shame that guy). I don't know if anybody seriously buys this sort of stuff or if it is just a contest for who can play the best with cheats. Perhaps even funnier are the 8min vCR+3 runs with no deaths (Honestly, one of these guilds used to be so skilled, with videos that amazed me with their clean coordination back in the vMoL days but the cheats have made them get pretty sloppy lately I think my guild failing at +2 looked generally cleaner than they did with no deaths at +3 in 8 min). The stuff they take to the face without dying is comical.
2) These are the actual guilds they use to test their stuff. Does ZOS not know, not care? I'll tell you what the result is though. Some stuff is scaled so you would actually have to run cheats to do it. vCR+3 without cheats, not going to happen. The damage output required coupled with the impressive amount of unavoidable damage makes this not even close to possible. I think +1 is probably the best a no cheats group could do and that is a pretty close run thing.
3) PVP is just dominated by a small group of cheaters who all know each other. There excellent players and would wreck face without cheats but they sure lay them on. I have no idea why ZOS just lets the PVP experience of all players be wrecked by a few.
4) Interestingly, not all the top PVE guilds seem to be using the same exact cheats. This is indicated by very different amounts of damage taken in vCR+3 from unavoidable oblivion damage sources. This differing cheat performance suggests that different guilds have different hackers finding different memory locations to alter.
5) ZOS does not spend the time and effort to combat cheats in game but they actually sued the cheat engine makers (a program that is a non-specific memory editor which has existed for many years) into basically closing their forums. For the amount they spent throwing lawyers at that they could easily have hired a few programmers and CS people to detect and ban cheaters like every other MMO ever made does.

At this point I don't even blame the cheaters. This has been going on for years without being addressed and now ZOS is even scaling their endgame content for it. I have never heard of another MMO like this. It's crazy.

You have a great single player game here ZOS but preventing cheats is basically the number 1 thing necessary for MMO elements to work and you suck at that so your MMO elements suck.

When you're so bad at the game and can't accept it, so everyone else cheats.

lassitershawn

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Well, another 3am thread that gets to survive a few hours until a mod gets on. I might as well post before the mod locks it since it contains videos of the cheats that arn't supposed to exist.

1) Cheats are common in ESO and have been for years.
2) Basically nobody gets banned for it unless they talk about it while doing it, while streaming it (would love to name and shame that guy because he is fun to troll. In fairness though he stood up against cheats for a very long time before ZOS ignoring them for years got him on the bandwagon). In this case they typically only get a temp ban. Seriously, your just wasting your time submitting tickets. If you want to hurt a cheater have 10 of your friends all submit a harassment ticket for the cheating player at the same time. That will at lest get him a couple of day time out. I have never heard of somebody getting even a timeout from a cheating ticket submission.
3) Basically, all the important variables in the game are client side and ZOS runs only a few rudimentary checks on them. There is a lot of room to memory hack.
4) A couple years ago ZOS addressed the cheating by making the memory locations for key stats a little harder to find. As such the cheats are now more exclusive.
5) Some of the cheats I have seen are not even straight up variable hacks but look to be developer tools that must exist in the code and which cheaters have found and activated.
6) ZOS is really, really, quick to completely erase threads that show videos proving cheats. This is 3AM on Easter and that is the only reason it's still up. Go ahead, bookmark the thread, it will be gone tomorrow.

Now the really crazy stuff
1) All their top PVE players run the cheats and openly post videos of doing things not even remotely possible legitimately. Don't believe me, watch their videos. 15 seconds to kill end vMA boss with 90+k dps (Would love to name and shame that guy). I don't know if anybody seriously buys this sort of stuff or if it is just a contest for who can play the best with cheats. Perhaps even funnier are the 8min vCR+3 runs with no deaths (Honestly, one of these guilds used to be so skilled, with videos that amazed me with their clean coordination back in the vMoL days but the cheats have made them get pretty sloppy lately I think my guild failing at +2 looked generally cleaner than they did with no deaths at +3 in 8 min). The stuff they take to the face without dying is comical.
2) These are the actual guilds they use to test their stuff. Does ZOS not know, not care? I'll tell you what the result is though. Some stuff is scaled so you would actually have to run cheats to do it. vCR+3 without cheats, not going to happen. The damage output required coupled with the impressive amount of unavoidable damage makes this not even close to possible. I think +1 is probably the best a no cheats group could do and that is a pretty close run thing.
3) PVP is just dominated by a small group of cheaters who all know each other. There excellent players and would wreck face without cheats but they sure lay them on. I have no idea why ZOS just lets the PVP experience of all players be wrecked by a few.
4) Interestingly, not all the top PVE guilds seem to be using the same exact cheats. This is indicated by very different amounts of damage taken in vCR+3 from unavoidable oblivion damage sources. This differing cheat performance suggests that different guilds have different hackers finding different memory locations to alter.
5) ZOS does not spend the time and effort to combat cheats in game but they actually sued the cheat engine makers (a program that is a non-specific memory editor which has existed for many years) into basically closing their forums. For the amount they spent throwing lawyers at that they could easily have hired a few programmers and CS people to detect and ban cheaters like every other MMO ever made does.

At this point I don't even blame the cheaters. This has been going on for years without being addressed and now ZOS is even scaling their endgame content for it. I have never heard of another MMO like this. It's crazy.

You have a great single player game here ZOS but preventing cheats is basically the number 1 thing necessary for MMO elements to work and you suck at that so your MMO elements suck.

Um... lul. If you did actually manage to cheat in endgame PvE and were found out, the endgame community would laugh you out faster than you die in vCR.

Rikumaru

If and when ZOS look at fixing bunny hopping, I hope they also look at fixing the movement speed during jumps which they broke back in TG and promised to fix it.

Heelie

Imagine thinking cheaters are a problem in a non competitive MMO with this much lagg

DjMuscleboy02

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Now the really crazy stuff
1) All their top PVE players run the cheats and openly post videos of doing things not even remotely possible legitimately. Don't believe me, watch their videos. 15 seconds to kill end vMA boss with 90+k dps (Would love to name and shame that guy). I don't know if anybody seriously buys this sort of stuff or if it is just a contest for who can play the best with cheats. Perhaps even funnier are the 8min vCR+3 runs with no deaths (Honestly, one of these guilds used to be so skilled, with videos that amazed me with their clean coordination back in the vMoL days but the cheats have made them get pretty sloppy lately I think my guild failing at +2 looked generally cleaner than they did with no deaths at +3 in 8 min). The stuff they take to the face without dying is comical.
2) These are the actual guilds they use to test their stuff. Does ZOS not know, not care? I'll tell you what the result is though. Some stuff is scaled so you would actually have to run cheats to do it. vCR+3 without cheats, not going to happen. The damage output required coupled with the impressive amount of unavoidable damage makes this not even close to possible. I think +1 is probably the best a no cheats group could do and that is a pretty close run thing.
3) PVP is just dominated by a small group of cheaters who all know each other. There excellent players and would wreck face without cheats but they sure lay them on. I have no idea why ZOS just lets the PVP experience of all players be wrecked by a few.
4) Interestingly, not all the top PVE guilds seem to be using the same exact cheats. This is indicated by very different amounts of damage taken in vCR+3 from unavoidable oblivion damage sources. This differing cheat performance suggests that different guilds have different hackers finding different memory locations to alter.
5) ZOS does not spend the time and effort to combat cheats in game but they actually sued the cheat engine makers (a program that is a non-specific memory editor which has existed for many years) into basically closing their forums. For the amount they spent throwing lawyers at that they could easily have hired a few programmers and CS people to detect and ban cheaters like every other MMO ever made does.

At this point I don't even blame the cheaters. This has been going on for years without being addressed and now ZOS is even scaling their endgame content for it. I have never heard of another MMO like this. It's crazy.

You have a great single player game here ZOS but preventing cheats is basically the number 1 thing necessary for MMO elements to work and you suck at that so your MMO elements suck.

You can't actually believe this, right lmao?

LeinadOrarogep

Let’s be civil to each other regardless, please, I wouldn’t want this thread to be locked.
Otherwise it will be the nth cheating thread closed by ZOS.

laksikus

at least people like you would spread misinformation.

rfennell_ESO

Old news.

47 has been around a long time (since the inception of it) with pve. Never liked him much, but outright denying what he says is pretty laughable. Obviously those that feel the need to respond with derision have their reasons, and it's very obvious what they are.

Those with huge egos in this game are always the ones that cheat is my experience. It's hard to define which came first.... the chicken or the egg. Are they cheaters because they need to be brash talking smack talking egomaniacs or are they cheaters because they always were and need to maintain their celebrity?

The game has no true cheat detection. It does not scan memory for hostile programs. The only things that ZOS did to combat the rampant exploitation exposed by Zazeer was to move a couple of key things (ulti generation for example) to server side and apply an obfuscation of memory addresses. It was actually called "the obfuscation patch" for a while. Until all the memory locations were discovered again... It still happens, as you see trash talking big headed pvp gods becoming "fodder" in pvp for a couple days to a week after large patches where obfuscation is again applied. Once the changes are known, they go right back to it....

Well after the meteor weekend there were many a time I would catch a well known "streamer" or "talks just like Thogard does on forums" type afk hiding somewhere. I would go for taking the free AP and realize that my glass cannon pure dps stamblade build was doing less damage than their regens were at. They were literally unsoloable while afk.... Yeah it's 47 and me that are "crazy". Sure thing, lolz.

kadar

TequilaFire wrote: »

Jumping/bunny hopping should cost stamina.

no