Disappointed by the use of exploits in Cyrodiil

oxygen_thief · April 2019

OwnerOfSuccuby wrote: »

What to say - i am waiting when all bugs with sorcs will be removed. The immortal body with 3 pets abd 2 shields. Immortal pets, near immortal sorc and all attacs always go to pets.

Why i attack pets when i rarget sorc with tab ??? Sorc is targeted not pet - why all attacks go to immortalpet ? Why do not it fixed?

Do it not strong enough to have 2 damaged shields? Why all my attacs go to pet ? I target sorc fix bug. Do pet less priority - it is bug !!! It iss immortal and all attacks go to it ! It is not normal ! Do target/ no target system just for fun this game? All goes to pet, no damage go to target that i lock in tab - why bugs nof fixing?

use aoe then and dont forget to slot purge

laksikus · April 2019

Mayrael wrote: »

... and this was an obvious cheater. How many players is out there that use things like this in a more subtle way?

tell us how he is cheating please

MartiniDaniels · April 2019

laksikus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

... and this was an obvious cheater. How many players is out there that use things like this in a more subtle way?

tell us how he is cheating please

There were ton of videos already proving that cheating exists and working in ESO. Of course ZOS are fighting with them and bans them, so it's not like "everybody succesful PVPer is a cheater". But some % of cheaters, macro users and so on exists for sure, this is out of discussion, just youtube it and see.

Kolzki · April 2019

I saw them. I figured that it was a cowards gear speed build. The execution of bunny hops was flawless though. Perfect timing and perfect aim.

TheFamousMockingbird · April 2019

Obvious exploit is obvious. Players who abuse this stuff should get banned.

Mayrael · April 2019

laksikus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

... and this was an obvious cheater. How many players is out there that use things like this in a more subtle way?

tell us how he is cheating please

I'll post a vid, then you'll be quiet

laksikus · April 2019

Mayrael wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

... and this was an obvious cheater. How many players is out there that use things like this in a more subtle way?

tell us how he is cheating please

I'll post a vid, then you'll be quiet

i dont want a vid. i know what he is doing and how he is doing it.
i want YOU to explain to me what you think he is doing thats cheating, cos i dont see him cheating.

Mayrael · April 2019

laksikus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

... and this was an obvious cheater. How many players is out there that use things like this in a more subtle way?

tell us how he is cheating please

I'll post a vid, then you'll be quiet

i dont want a vid. i know what he is doing and how he is doing it.
i want YOU to explain to me what you think he is doing thats cheating, cos i dont see him cheating.

Can't tell about the guy they have seen because it's possible to have same speed on foot as on mount but, it is not possible to jump like 50m from outer wall tower to inner keep at BB and I have a vid of a guy who almost did it, multipe times he also had over 50k hp, infinite resources and was healing from execute range to full in second. Cheats are in game.

D0PAMINE · April 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

Jumping/bunny hopping should cost stamina.

I think it's fine how it is. It's free for everyone Mag or Stam.

TequilaFire · April 2019

D0PAMINE wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Jumping/bunny hopping should cost stamina.

I think it's fine how it is. It's free for everyone Mag or Stam.

If it gives advantages, it should not be free to use.

JumpmanLane · April 2019

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

The facts:
Yesterday i was a DC in Cyrodiil, and i assisted to a single EP guy somehow enter Glademist and take the scroll of Altadoon.

He then fled away at a speed faster than my (and everyone else's) 60/60/60 horse on Rapids.

He was also making incredibly long jumps.

10 or so of us tried chasing him and bring him down, to no avail - he was by far too fast, that by the time we dismounted to shoot at him, he was already out of range.

People in zone chat were talking about him - he was a well known character of 26/27 level only, was reported multiple times, and everyone's attitude could be summarized as "he's cheating, there's nothing we can do about it"

My opinions:
I am quite sure this was an exploit: the speed and the jumps he was making were unnatural.

Also when i noticed him in Glade, he was in one of the fort's keeps, and doing something strange: shooting with a ballista from the wall, towards the inside of the corner keep, sneakily (as much as you can be with a ballista). Maybe this was so that the keep registered as being under attack, and he could steal the scroll?

I've always been very complacent of ZOS, and still am. They work hard to bring us a great game, and most of the time they only get grilled here on the forums. But i really enjoy their work and will keep playing and supporting and paying for the game.

That said, this event really rattled my confidence. How can you compete against exploits?

Most importantly: this was an obvious one, but what if more subtle ones exist? Like exploits for permanent shield, incredibly high stamina/magicka/health max values or recovery, and so on? Things that are not as blatant, but still give you an incredible edge?

When i began playing, i was scared of PVP: i was (and still am) and old and n00b guy. But then i began trying it out, for the events. And i liked it, a lot. Especially the big, epic battles for defending and attacking resources. I was still being killed a lot, but i had fun. Lately i improved my build, gilded myself out, and became actually decent, and was having a lot of fun. Everything about the way Cyrodiil is designed is great - sieges, resources, chokepoints... Zergs and ball groups do not bother me (it's way, baby!), and the only criticism is that i would like a better hierarchy of groups to coordinate more strategically.
But yesterday this happened, and i am really sad. It makes me feel as if i am playing on the losing side, always, regardless of how much effort i put in it. The exploits always win.

I'm not making any demands, treating or suggesting to unsubscribe. I'm just really dismayed and wanted to share this with you.

DC just sucks. You picked the wrong faction. You waste too much time caring about the campaign (y’all mostly lose anyways).

There’s sets and other things that’ll make a guy move faster than a Zerg trying to catch a SCROLL runner. 9 times out of 10 the guy would have 1vXed y’all anyway. But...he was CHEATING...OK!

Kel · April 2019

Exploits and cheating definitely happens and has always happened...

Here's a video from a month ago on PC...

Here's a video ...from ps4...from about 2 years ago.

Cheating absolutely happens, and I'm always suspicious of those who try to defend or downplay it. No reasonable sane person can watch this stuff and deny cheating is, has, and probably always will be a part of PvP in ESO...
Sad but true

D0PAMINE · April 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Jumping/bunny hopping should cost stamina.

I think it's fine how it is. It's free for everyone Mag or Stam.

If it gives advantages, it should not be free to use.

lol

Iskiab · April 2019

Kel wrote: »

Exploits and cheating definitely happens and has always happened...

Here's a video from a month ago on PC...

Here's a video ...from ps4...from about 2 years ago.

Cheating absolutely happens, and I'm always suspicious of those who try to defend or downplay it. No reasonable sane person can watch this stuff and deny cheating is, has, and probably always will be a part of PvP in ESO...
Sad but true

From so many people defending something that’s obviously cheating, it must be more widespread then I thought.

I mean, are people really saying give the benefit of the doubt to someone who’s already had a ban? Should be a permanent IP ban. Otherwise the game will devolve until people stop playing like what happened to Conan.

fullheartcontainer · April 2019

While bunny hopping is definitely exploitative (unintended speed and jump distance is not even up for discussion to say it's not cheating), going faster than a maxed out horse isn't hard. I have gear I can swap into to do that easily, and if I was running a scroll like that it's what I would be wearing - in fact that's exactly why I have gear in my inventory set up that way. There's a bunch of ways to do it, but mine is darkstride, cowards gear, swift jewels, and steed mundus with CP into the sprint passive. You'll be able to run faster than horses, have permanent sprint major expedition (so no need to run warden wings or rapids) and you'll never run out of stamina if you did it right

Caligamy_ESO · April 2019

Kel wrote: »

Exploits and cheating definitely happens and has always happened...

Here's a video from a month ago on PC...

Here's a video ...from ps4...from about 2 years ago.

Cheating absolutely happens, and I'm always suspicious of those who try to defend or downplay it. No reasonable sane person can watch this stuff and deny cheating is, has, and probably always will be a part of PvP in ESO...
Sad but true

Agree.. the ones who protest the loudest I start to suspect the most.

Just google "ESO Ray Devil" if you think cheating in ESO doesn't exist. They do it in Cyrodil, World Bosses, Vet Maelstrom Arena, Dragonstar Arena, DLC dungeons (but apparently they have a problem with Velidreth lol), etc..

Sahidom · April 2019

I sympathize with the OP about the cheating and exploits happening.

There were many proposed changes to Cyrodiil that were removed. For instance, when they tried to distinguish and set roles on the different siege engines, modifying anti-personnel siege equipment to encourage more player-verse-player defense but inadvertently penalized small groups defending keeps, and reducing siege engine damage where players can stand in the red or out heal the incurred damage effect. The map has changed with new locations and destructible walls and bridges but the climate of Cyrodiil remains broken. There is no more push-pull player-verse-player game play: its regressed into World of Warcraft turtle game play where players just group up, as a single mass, and push on any objective.

While some people may say "don't pvp" completely miss the point and want their exclusive on game content. There was a similar issue in Ultimate Online when murderers were rampantly killing other players and ruining the game experience. So, those type of comments are unhealthy, and in Ultimate Online's case decided to have a parallel game world that separated the PVP and PVE player bases. Hopefully, ESO players are not that narcissistic.

darkblue5 · April 2019

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

While bunny hopping is definitely exploitative (unintended speed and jump distance is not even up for discussion to say it's not cheating), going faster than a maxed out horse isn't hard. I have gear I can swap into to do that easily, and if I was running a scroll like that it's what I would be wearing - in fact that's exactly why I have gear in my inventory set up that way. There's a bunch of ways to do it, but mine is darkstride, cowards gear, swift jewels, and steed mundus with CP into the sprint passive. You'll be able to run faster than horses, have permanent sprint major expedition (so no need to run warden wings or rapids) and you'll never run out of stamina if you did it right

What about run speed being capped?

fullheartcontainer · April 2019

darkblue5 wrote: »

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

While bunny hopping is definitely exploitative (unintended speed and jump distance is not even up for discussion to say it's not cheating), going faster than a maxed out horse isn't hard. I have gear I can swap into to do that easily, and if I was running a scroll like that it's what I would be wearing - in fact that's exactly why I have gear in my inventory set up that way. There's a bunch of ways to do it, but mine is darkstride, cowards gear, swift jewels, and steed mundus with CP into the sprint passive. You'll be able to run faster than horses, have permanent sprint major expedition (so no need to run warden wings or rapids) and you'll never run out of stamina if you did it right

What about run speed being capped?

Speed cap is 100% past normal speed. Horse mount speed is calculated as follows - a base horse is at the base speed of sprinting on foot. Each point into horse speed increases that by 1%. A maxed out horse moves at 160% speed, in other words. This means at speed cap, 200%, you are moving 40% faster than a maxed out horse

Mayrael · April 2019

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

darkblue5 wrote: »

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

While bunny hopping is definitely exploitative (unintended speed and jump distance is not even up for discussion to say it's not cheating), going faster than a maxed out horse isn't hard. I have gear I can swap into to do that easily, and if I was running a scroll like that it's what I would be wearing - in fact that's exactly why I have gear in my inventory set up that way. There's a bunch of ways to do it, but mine is darkstride, cowards gear, swift jewels, and steed mundus with CP into the sprint passive. You'll be able to run faster than horses, have permanent sprint major expedition (so no need to run warden wings or rapids) and you'll never run out of stamina if you did it right

What about run speed being capped?

Speed cap is 100% past normal speed. Horse mount speed is calculated as follows - a base horse is at the base speed of sprinting on foot. Each point into horse speed increases that by 1%. A maxed out horse moves at 160% speed, in other words. This means at speed cap, 200%, you are moving 40% faster than a maxed out horse

You forget about sprinting on a horse and major gallop.

fullheartcontainer · April 2019

Mayrael wrote: »

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

darkblue5 wrote: »

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

While bunny hopping is definitely exploitative (unintended speed and jump distance is not even up for discussion to say it's not cheating), going faster than a maxed out horse isn't hard. I have gear I can swap into to do that easily, and if I was running a scroll like that it's what I would be wearing - in fact that's exactly why I have gear in my inventory set up that way. There's a bunch of ways to do it, but mine is darkstride, cowards gear, swift jewels, and steed mundus with CP into the sprint passive. You'll be able to run faster than horses, have permanent sprint major expedition (so no need to run warden wings or rapids) and you'll never run out of stamina if you did it right

What about run speed being capped?

Speed cap is 100% past normal speed. Horse mount speed is calculated as follows - a base horse is at the base speed of sprinting on foot. Each point into horse speed increases that by 1%. A maxed out horse moves at 160% speed, in other words. This means at speed cap, 200%, you are moving 40% faster than a maxed out horse

You forget about sprinting on a horse and major gallop.

It includes the horse sprint speed, but yes a horse with rapids will go faster than the 160% I listed

Juhasow · April 2019

laksikus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

... and this was an obvious cheater. How many players is out there that use things like this in a more subtle way?

tell us how he is cheating please

It's a well known exploit that allows You to jump with significantly increased distance and speed. From obvious reasons I wont explain how to perform that but it's possible to do in game without use of any 3rd party software. It just involves proper use of certain in game things. Lot of PC EU players also knows who is person causing that trouble if "level 26-27" phrase is mentioned. There are even people trying to use it in PvE content to avoid certain mechanics.

Here is an example in action

Juhasow · April 2019

As for long jumps it was an exploit as for high running speed it could be exploiting but doesnt have to be.

laksikus · April 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

... and this was an obvious cheater. How many players is out there that use things like this in a more subtle way?

tell us how he is cheating please

It's a well known exploit that allows You to jump with significantly increased distance and speed. From obvious reasons I wont explain how to perform that but it's possible to do in game without use of any 3rd party software. It just involves proper use of certain in game things. Lot of PC EU players also knows who is person causing that trouble if "level 26-27" phrase is mentioned. There are even people trying to use it in PvE content to avoid certain mechanics.

Here is an example in action

thats nit cheating
ich thats clever use if game mechanics

Juhasow · April 2019

laksikus wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

... and this was an obvious cheater. How many players is out there that use things like this in a more subtle way?

tell us how he is cheating please

It's a well known exploit that allows You to jump with significantly increased distance and speed. From obvious reasons I wont explain how to perform that but it's possible to do in game without use of any 3rd party software. It just involves proper use of certain in game things. Lot of PC EU players also knows who is person causing that trouble if "level 26-27" phrase is mentioned. There are even people trying to use it in PvE content to avoid certain mechanics.

Here is an example in action

thats nit cheating
ich thats clever use if game mechanics

Using mechanics in unintended way to get adventage over other players = exploiting = cheating. Clever or not it's still cheating.

laksikus · April 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

... and this was an obvious cheater. How many players is out there that use things like this in a more subtle way?

tell us how he is cheating please

It's a well known exploit that allows You to jump with significantly increased distance and speed. From obvious reasons I wont explain how to perform that but it's possible to do in game without use of any 3rd party software. It just involves proper use of certain in game things. Lot of PC EU players also knows who is person causing that trouble if "level 26-27" phrase is mentioned. There are even people trying to use it in PvE content to avoid certain mechanics.

Here is an example in action

thats nit cheating
ich thats clever use if game mechanics

Using mechanics in unintended way to get adventage over other players = exploiting = cheating. Clever or not it's still cheating.

exploiting =/= cheating
eg a low level char with cp us certe

and if bunny hops are unintended is not clear.
zos could have fixed that since 5years if they dont wanted us to use how their speed System works. and they know tgat its used in PVE and PVP.
funny enough nobody calls for cheats if pve players are doing it

Beardimus · April 2019

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

The facts:
Yesterday i was a DC in Cyrodiil, and i assisted to a single EP guy somehow enter Glademist and take the scroll of Altadoon.

He then fled away at a speed faster than my (and everyone else's) 60/60/60 horse on Rapids.

He was also making incredibly long jumps.

10 or so of us tried chasing him and bring him down, to no avail - he was by far too fast, that by the time we dismounted to shoot at him, he was already out of range.

People in zone chat were talking about him - he was a well known character of 26/27 level only, was reported multiple times, and everyone's attitude could be summarized as "he's cheating, there's nothing we can do about it"

My opinions:
I am quite sure this was an exploit: the speed and the jumps he was making were unnatural.

Also when i noticed him in Glade, he was in one of the fort's keeps, and doing something strange: shooting with a ballista from the wall, towards the inside of the corner keep, sneakily (as much as you can be with a ballista). Maybe this was so that the keep registered as being under attack, and he could steal the scroll?

I've always been very complacent of ZOS, and still am. They work hard to bring us a great game, and most of the time they only get grilled here on the forums. But i really enjoy their work and will keep playing and supporting and paying for the game.

That said, this event really rattled my confidence. How can you compete against exploits?

Most importantly: this was an obvious one, but what if more subtle ones exist? Like exploits for permanent shield, incredibly high stamina/magicka/health max values or recovery, and so on? Things that are not as blatant, but still give you an incredible edge?

When i began playing, i was scared of PVP: i was (and still am) and old and n00b guy. But then i began trying it out, for the events. And i liked it, a lot. Especially the big, epic battles for defending and attacking resources. I was still being killed a lot, but i had fun. Lately i improved my build, gilded myself out, and became actually decent, and was having a lot of fun. Everything about the way Cyrodiil is designed is great - sieges, resources, chokepoints... Zergs and ball groups do not bother me (it's way, baby!), and the only criticism is that i would like a better hierarchy of groups to coordinate more strategically.
But yesterday this happened, and i am really sad. It makes me feel as if i am playing on the losing side, always, regardless of how much effort i put in it. The exploits always win.

I'm not making any demands, treating or suggesting to unsubscribe. I'm just really dismayed and wanted to share this with you.

My journey and feelings about Cyrodiil are very similar to your last paragraph, and I too become dismayed when cheating is rife (and not acted upon) fortunately I'm on console so no wild add ON's to combat, or CE / hacks on the whole BUT players cheating I.e. Faction hopping for nefarious means has made me feel the same and I'm glad they looking at options.

When it comes to clear cut exploiting/cheating however they need to up their game on dealing with folks reported. Odds are the person will just create a new account tho I guess. Grr

TriangularChicken · April 2019

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

While bunny hopping is definitely exploitative (unintended speed and jump distance is not even up for discussion to say it's not cheating), going faster than a maxed out horse isn't hard. I have gear I can swap into to do that easily, and if I was running a scroll like that it's what I would be wearing - in fact that's exactly why I have gear in my inventory set up that way. There's a bunch of ways to do it, but mine is darkstride, cowards gear, swift jewels, and steed mundus with CP into the sprint passive. You'll be able to run faster than horses, have permanent sprint major expedition (so no need to run warden wings or rapids) and you'll never run out of stamina if you did it right

I agree that long jumps are a exploit, but how exactly is bunny hopping one? Please don't tell me that you are not able to hit bunny hopping enemies..in a game with tab target (although the tab target system isn't perfect, it's good enough to hit bunny hoppers) ...please don't, that would be ridiculous

Rake · April 2019

whoever justifies cheating should be banned as well.

Conduit0 · April 2019

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

darkblue5 wrote: »

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

While bunny hopping is definitely exploitative (unintended speed and jump distance is not even up for discussion to say it's not cheating), going faster than a maxed out horse isn't hard. I have gear I can swap into to do that easily, and if I was running a scroll like that it's what I would be wearing - in fact that's exactly why I have gear in my inventory set up that way. There's a bunch of ways to do it, but mine is darkstride, cowards gear, swift jewels, and steed mundus with CP into the sprint passive. You'll be able to run faster than horses, have permanent sprint major expedition (so no need to run warden wings or rapids) and you'll never run out of stamina if you did it right

What about run speed being capped?

Speed cap is 100% past normal speed. Horse mount speed is calculated as follows - a base horse is at the base speed of sprinting on foot. Each point into horse speed increases that by 1%. A maxed out horse moves at 160% speed, in other words. This means at speed cap, 200%, you are moving 40% faster than a maxed out horse

This is completely wrong. Base horse speed is 115%, so a maxed out horse has a speed of 175% and thats before adding in sprint or major gallop, both of which are 30% speed increases, bringing maximum possible horse speed to 235%.