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DragonKnight upcoming /Rant

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Dislcaimer: I know the changes aren't set in stone just yet but I know far too well when it comes to the DrragonKnight class it might as well be as every change has proven this.

I played this game when my mate showed me his character charging into battle surrounded with flames as he leaped into a crowd and later on I felt it was my turn to join the frame. Unfortunately for better or worse many of the skills I've known have changed and so has a good portion of the class identity.
Back then we were a class that was built to stand its ground, the longer we did the more of a threat we would become as the enemy ran out of resources faster than we did and we were able to build resources back a lot easier. We had passives that actually aided the mantra ZOS continually championed i.e "Play how you want" which was to suggest you can do whatever playstyle you want and not be held back from doing so.
Fast forward today those passives are all but gone or nerfed to the point they no longer functioned as they once did... so much for that mantra huh.

No one in game-chat at-least when I played more actively complained about Dragon Knight wings and how they can't do X play-style simply because players learned how to do what they want through trial and error. ZOS now side steps this by continually catering to them whether it be PvP related issues, or PvE related issues it's always been the same damn thing and a prime example would be Emperor and it's vast changes/things introduced to counter something that takes dedication to achieve.

Instead of removing reflect how about you tell players that in this game there are things called CCs and they could help you land your abilities. I've hated so many abilities from other classes but not once did I call for ZOS to remove Cloak, Fear, RD (even when it could 1 tap you although I wanted some counter), streak, templar circle, BoL, etc. Why didn't I you ask? Well because I learned to bloody adapt and face the situation/adapt to those situations as they introduced themselves to me.

You ZOS are the developers and it's the developers job NOT STREAMERS to instruct the player base on how to be competent in their play-styles and achieve results through information. Imma wra[ this up since I could go on especially with the better DK class introduced i.e Necromancer and the lack of any new class specific skills since the launching of this game but that would be a massive 2/3 paragraphs especially if I touch on skills some more.

/Rant - Over
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  • Daedric_NB_187
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    Source?
  • MaxwellC
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    Also forgot to add this.

    TL;DR
    Before complaining about removing certain functions of current skills how about you learn how to at-least counter those skills and use a damn CC.
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  • Dragneel1207
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    DK are losing their identity and getting shoved into tanking role
  • Sleep724
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    Finally seeing necromancers skills and passives and how much better they are in their current state than DKs is depressing. Dks and even Templars are getting left behind IMO.
  • xenowarrior92eb17_ESO
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    DK are losing their identity and getting shoved into tanking role

    nbs loosing their dps op identity :(
  • John_Falstaff
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    DK are losing their identity and getting shoved into tanking role

    In fact, nerf to wings strips them of some tanking perks too. Hello there, snares in vFL and defiles in vet Blackrose.
    Edited by John_Falstaff on March 30, 2019 12:11AM
  • DreadDaedroth
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    Why making a fun skill more and more boring? :(
  • Solohope
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    Sleep724 wrote: »
    Finally seeing necromancers skills and passives and how much better they are in their current state than DKs is depressing. Dks and even Templars are getting left behind IMO.

    I think that Templars are in a really good position right now in regards to PVP (battlegrounds), stamina in specific. I have been preforming significantly better on my stamplar then I ever have on my main which is a stamblade. Although I would have to say that Stamdk's never really seemed to ever have an Identity in the first place. Mag DK's are still good though.
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  • Dragneel1207
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    DK are losing their identity and getting shoved into tanking role

    nbs loosing their dps op identity :(

    nah they are not losing their identity u can still get minor brutality from other sources.
    they did not lose cloack
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  • RamiroCruzo
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    DK are losing their identity and getting shoved into tanking role

    nbs loosing their dps op identity :(

    Remove their Cloak an Incap/Soul Harvest then they'll lose their identity :D Even mentioning it will bring a sea full of NBs getting salty and saying they're underperforming and actually need buff :trollface:
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  • DKsUnite
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    I mean as iconic as DK reflect is, classes change. Blinding flashes was an iconic templar skill but it got changed because of balance. Regardless of that, the change is actually really good. Now you can actually fight outnumbered and not have to dump 3k magicka every 2 seconds because your wings fell off from a couple of light attacks
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    Main was NB Sap Tank, all my skills have been gutted. Few skills I still have are all reflected back at me from wings....
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  • Betty_Booms
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    My class identity is being OP. Please dont take it away... i also think we need more than the strongest CC in the game and only class skill with easy access to major mending...

    Without wings.. id need a gap closer...and wouldnt just have to focus melee...

    I sincerely hope the changes go through cause im sick of having to switch to mines and force pulse everytime there is an abundance of derp ks.

  • r34lian
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    The best way to balance pvp will be to delete all ccs and proc sets.
    Edited by r34lian on March 30, 2019 10:08AM
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  • ssorgatem
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    wait, what? did I miss something?
    Where have they said they are nerfing DK wings?
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    It takes under a second to break a CC. How is that supposed to help exactly? My magblade who can barely touch DKs (decent ones) would really like to know. God forbid they are using immovable pots.
    Why does my magblade have a billion things running through his head when fighting a magdk, but said magdk can just barrage him with embers, flame lashes, fossilize and leap without even thinking.
    Now I am not saying I'm for this change (I do play mdk too), but when people say "just cc bruh" it kind of rubs me the wrong way.
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    It takes under a second to break a CC. How is that supposed to help exactly? My magblade who can barely touch DKs (decent ones) would really like to know. God forbid they are using immovable pots.
    Why does my magblade have a billion things running through his head when fighting a magdk, but said magdk can just barrage him with embers, flame lashes, fossilize and leap without even thinking.
    Now I am not saying I'm for this change (I do play mdk too), but when people say "just cc bruh" it kind of rubs me the wrong way.

    Agree. And my ranges cc (cripple) doesnt even work as it gets reflected. And getting into melee range to fear is a death sentence if your also a vampire.

    I am also not saying I want these nerfes though. I dislike all nerfes.
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    ssorgatem wrote: »
    wait, what? did I miss something?
    Where have they said they are nerfing DK wings?

    https://twitch.tv/videos/402688127?t=

    Around 1h 5 min into the video, we will probably have 6 sec working if I recall and 50% projectile resistance (question what is a projectile? will it also work on force pulse for example? or wardens bird?). Will also probably have snare immunity.
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  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    The best way to balance pvp will be to delete all ccs and proc sets.

    All CC? So no one ever dies?
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    Rex-Umbra wrote: »
    Main was NB Sap Tank, all my skills have been gutted. Few skills I still have are all reflected back at me from wings....

    One of my favorite builds of all time was heavy seducer, fasallas + troll king with a destro. Then they nerfed destro (rightfully so) and murdered siphoning killing the class off. I stayed more traditionalcafter that but grew a huge liking to a tavas 2H willpower magblade build then they gutted dodge chance and murdered the set. Very unfortunate. As a magblade, they either needed to adjust wings or make strife or cripple unreflectable. There is absolutely no counterplay to wings as it is in live currently.
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    When you have an ability that can negate damage from all projectiles and completely ignore magicka players just by clicking the "I win button" and shooting it back to the caster, it needs to be looked at. Please don't say "just use force shock", am I going to be able to kill a DK with just force shock?

    At least with the proposed changes wings won't have a projectile cap, when you put wings up for 6 seconds, it will be up for 6 seconds negating 50% of all projectile damage. It's still going to be a very good ability.
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    NotEdwin wrote: »
    When you have an ability that can negate damage from all projectiles and completely ignore magicka players just by clicking the "I win button" and shooting it back to the caster, it needs to be looked at. Please don't say "just use force shock", am I going to be able to kill a DK with just force shock?

    At least with the proposed changes wings won't have a projectile cap, when you put wings up for 6 seconds, it will be up for 6 seconds negating 50% of all projectile damage. It's still going to be a very good ability.

    For pvp this may be ok but it is a big slap in the face for pve tanks and another homogenization of classes which is killing what made the classes er classes. Templars have lost much of their uniqueness. Stam-sorcs are a shell made up of weapon skills and almost no class skills. Mag sorc also is a far cry from what it was. Perhaps one of the defining dk skills now possibly being gutted. The devs should try doing less....its what they have been very good at for so long with bug fixes.
  • Zer0oo
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    DK are already whining before seeing any kind of written patch notes and are still not admitting how unbalanced op wings are
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  • DreadDaedroth
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    If wings were so unbalanced they'd have corrected them years ago.
    Edited by DreadDaedroth on March 30, 2019 1:20PM
  • TrinityBreaker
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    When many things are nonreflectible but people still *** about the skill. I hate people who do nothing but try to nerf an already gutted class.
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  • Zer0oo
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    If wings were so unbalanced they'd have corrected them years ago.

    nice argument but shieldbreaker is still in the game and is the most unbalanced and worst designed set in the game.
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    Just give us shimmering Shield with smaller or no mag return but snare removal instead since that ability is apparently completely fine for ranged People to fight against :).
    Also Edit: Sorc complaining About too much whining is hillarious af
    Edited by Sanguinor2 on March 30, 2019 2:28PM
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  • Edziu
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    Zer0oo wrote: »
    DK are already whining before seeing any kind of written patch notes and are still not admitting how unbalanced op wings are

    and this is 1st thread I see about dk whinning while loosing their reflect while I have seen good 5+ threads also streached to many pages in them about nb whining with loosing their mindor berserk from 1 skill which will still have i itself working as it was

    EDIT: and there are still incoming more nb whine threads
    Edited by Edziu on March 30, 2019 2:10PM
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