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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why is every thread about nerfing one class or another?
Brute force isn't the only way to play any game, although many would have you believe otherwise.3 -
Zardayne✭✭✭✭✭In between that and incap strike mine too. I wish my other classes I play could faceroll across two attack keys and an insta escape button FTW. It's not the skills themselves, as everyone needs a spammable and an ultimate but the damage they do and the speed they do it is far superior to anything my magden or stamden can burst with.TequilaFire wrote: »Not such a surprise, eh?
Try wearing impen and invest in physical resistance.
It takes a whole lot more than that to survive a stamblade attack unless the killer is handicapped or a total newb. On my magden I've been forced into wearing pariah and even that generally is useless. With Ice fortress kicking and without pariah my melee defense sits around 22-25k, mag defense is higher. When Pariah activates it ramps up it's alot higher. I also run all Impen. Normally that isn't enough to save me. I can do pretty well vs any other class but NBs..I might as well hang it up. I can survive the initial burst on rare occasion and shield and begin healing but to ever reach the point of mounting an offensive, even rarer. Normally I've taken 3 surprise strikes to the face and an Incapacitating strike before my initial shalks have even been landed and my 1st bird en route. There's a reason 50% of Cyrodiil is NB. Even a new player can be a bad ass.
People wonder why players run in zergs in Cyrodiil. No one wants to be lambs to the slaughter continuously.
Edit: For quite awhile I have been in sheer frustration just trying to have a chance against NBs. I began trying different builds created just to try and counter them specifically. I got tot he point I was running out alone just taunting them to attack me so I could hone my skills vs them on my Magden. I finally just hung it up. Even when I even felt I might be able to turn the tables they just disappear and reappear in 20 seconds to bust my ass again. It's very irritating. I guess I'm just doomed to be the paper to the NBs scissors.
Nightblades are great versus people with little skill/experience. I run into them from time to time, they just stand still eating all my damage, or they run away from me in a straight line spamming their heal or shield. Then they cry on these forums how NB’s are overpowered.
But once you get into matches against better players who know how to counter NB’s, that experience changes quickly and NB’s are actually quite difficult to play well.
Just today I ran into a 4 man strong group at a battleground capture point. I fought them for minutes, killed 2 of them, nearly a third, before I had to withdraw. The thing is these players had like <19k health, didn’t use any abilities that could decloak me except some very poorly aimed arrow sprays, and didn’t react to me pummeling their healer before she was nearly dead.
On the other hand a couple of days ago I got killed by a single Templar that I had attacked in less than 2 seconds. He just ate my burst from stealth, then stunned me and dropped me moments after I broke the stun. I was like ‘what the...f happened’. Skill gap is just so important in ESO, and is the primary reason of all the nerf threads (apart from specific unbalanced things like too many snares/CC, sorc/WW pet targetting, and DK wings cancelling out entire playstyles)
Anyhow, my stamina DK is a ton simpler to play and do quite well without much thought. Yes you die when outmatched with no class inherent escape mechanisms, but you can last significantly longer than a NB in combat. In fact on my DK I consider 95% of the NB’s free kills if they can’t get away successfully (and yes its quite easy to counter cloak, and it takes significant effort on the NB’s part to get away from builds that incorporate anti-NB tools). And even on my NB I find other NB’s usually the easiest targets. Obviously there are some really good NB players that wipe the floor with me, but I’m definitely not quaking in my boots at the mere hint of an enemy NB regardless of the class I play, but I do make sure to bring something in my build that cancels out their cloak advantage.
You know I do agree with you that skill is very important, especially in PVP. I've been PKing, PVPing, and RVRing since Ultima online. I've got many years of experience in the RVR games this one's based on (Daoc, Warhammer) and of course I've been playing here since pc release. Now I'm not going to say I'm an expert but I'm damn sure a veteran and do a lot of reading, watching, and playing to better myself almost nightly. I don't run 19k health like a new player. I'm a bit over 27k. You can take it to the bank I don't leave the gates without an AOE to de-cloak the *** ton of sneaky asses that are all over the place. As I mentioned I'm even armored pretty heavily just to be able to absorb the burst and maybe have a slight chance in hell I'll recover. I don't have to make those kind of adjustments for any other class but NBs. I too have stories of NBs dropping players with arms reach of me before I can even bar swap and drop a heal. Your story of the templar is pretty much my nightly encounters with NBs. I'll keep fighting the good fight and keep hammering away with my magden just because I love RVR and the class I play but I haven't seen some truly out of whack skills like some of these we're talking about since 60 second mezzes in Daoc.Edited by Zardayne on March 27, 2019 1:55AM1 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The major fracture debuff should only be applied if using “Surprise” Attack from stealth.
Y’know...Surprise!
Or removing the fracture altogether could work too.
This. No one other class has access to major fracture. Wardens do but it’s only 4 seconds. Stamblades get major fracture, major defile and minor berserk and 20% extra damage off of incap. My stamplar gets minor fracture. That’s fair.9 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The major fracture debuff should only be applied if using “Surprise” Attack from stealth.
Y’know...Surprise!
Or removing the fracture altogether could work too.
This. No one other class has access to major fracture. Wardens do but it’s only 4 seconds. Stamblades get major fracture, major defile and minor berserk and 20% extra damage off of incap. My stamplar gets minor fracture. That’s fair.
These arguments only work if all classes were equally balanced in some capability but they clearly aren't because if they were DK wouldn't be the best Tanks and Templar wouldn't be the best healers. Are you going to nerf them down also? Are you going to rebalance the classes so that they are all equally viable Tanks/Healers/DPS?
No because you have no idea about balance at all and just like to complain.Argonian forever6 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »The major fracture debuff should only be applied if using “Surprise” Attack from stealth.
Y’know...Surprise!
Or removing the fracture altogether could work too.
This. No one other class has access to major fracture. Wardens do but it’s only 4 seconds. Stamblades get major fracture, major defile and minor berserk and 20% extra damage off of incap. My stamplar gets minor fracture. That’s fair.
These arguments only work if all classes were equally balanced in some capability but they clearly aren't because if they were DK wouldn't be the best Tanks and Templar wouldn't be the best healers. Are you going to nerf them down also? Are you going to rebalance the classes so that they are all equally viable Tanks/Healers/DPS?
No because you have no idea about balance at all and just like to complain.
When talking stam, templars are not the best healers.
Stamblade has been hugely lopsided in its overloaded ability while magblade has been down because its version is less and it has worse heals while cloaked and less mobility/root snare counter into cloak. It would be as if HTD or BOL worked better on a stamplar thsn on a magplar. The NB class is just terribly lopsided to the stam variety of ganking.
Really should add root snare immunity to cloak and double the cost, then suppress heals to match the DOT suppression and auto crit should be removed. Remove major fracture from surprise attack. Add minor to both magicka and stam morph to applicable resist, increase major resist buff duration to the passives. Incap then either needs defile or increased damage to target, not both.
Basically need a way to shift more power to magblade and reduce utility to stamblade and give both more staying power to be competitive in group play such as battlegrounds neither currently are great at for a sacrifice to just ganking.3 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »The major fracture debuff should only be applied if using “Surprise” Attack from stealth.
Y’know...Surprise!
Or removing the fracture altogether could work too.
This. No one other class has access to major fracture. Wardens do but it’s only 4 seconds. Stamblades get major fracture, major defile and minor berserk and 20% extra damage off of incap. My stamplar gets minor fracture. That’s fair.
These arguments only work if all classes were equally balanced in some capability but they clearly aren't because if they were DK wouldn't be the best Tanks and Templar wouldn't be the best healers. Are you going to nerf them down also? Are you going to rebalance the classes so that they are all equally viable Tanks/Healers/DPS?
No because you have no idea about balance at all and just like to complain.
When talking stam, templars are not the best healers.
Stamblade has been hugely lopsided in its overloaded ability while magblade has been down because its version is less and it has worse heals while cloaked and less mobility/root snare counter into cloak. It would be as if HTD or BOL worked better on a stamplar thsn on a magplar. The NB class is just terribly lopsided to the stam variety of ganking.
Really should add root snare immunity to cloak and double the cost, then suppress heals to match the DOT suppression and auto crit should be removed. Remove major fracture from surprise attack. Add minor to both magicka and stam morph to applicable resist, increase major resist buff duration to the passives. Incap then either needs defile or increased damage to target, not both.
Basically need a way to shift more power to magblade and reduce utility to stamblade and give both more staying power to be competitive in group play such as battlegrounds neither currently are great at for a sacrifice to just ganking.
When talking balance, you balance with the whole game in mind, something you're failing to do. Let's go ahead and add Root/Snare immunity to cloak and double the cost, while also surpressing HoTs. Stamblade is now completely screwed as not only did you nerf their healing, you nerfed their only real form of in class survivability on top of reducing their damage to be more on par to Stamplar or Stamden, both of which also offer more utility and better overall survivability to NB even with an unnerfed Cloak, accomplishing nothing but making those two classes infinitely better options than Stamblade and considering that NB Tanks/Healers are both inferior to Warden and Templar Tanks/Healers, it just puts NB as a whole back as one of the worst classes in the game.
It's just awful suggestions that have 0 critical thinking on the overall impact of the game as a whole, which is honestly the problem with the majority of suggestion on these forums. Everyone only focuses on 1 single aspect of the game and tries to "balance" that aspect without thinking of the repercussions of that change in the grand scheme of things.Edited by Silver_Strider on March 27, 2019 3:37AMArgonian forever7 -
commodore64✭✭✭✭The only thing surprising about this thread is the spelling of 'Suprise' in the title.4 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I’d still rather fight a squirrelly nightblade than the scourge known as Wardens....tanky Wardens that heal and mow you down like grass....Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!3 -
ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »I’d still rather fight a squirrelly nightblade than the scourge known as Wardens....tanky Wardens that heal and mow you down like grass....
He may open a new thread if he killed by Warden
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The major fracture debuff should only be applied if using “Surprise” Attack from stealth.
Y’know...Surprise!
Or removing the fracture altogether could work too.
This. No one other class has access to major fracture. Wardens do but it’s only 4 seconds. Stamblades get major fracture, major defile and minor berserk and 20% extra damage off of incap. My stamplar gets minor fracture. That’s fair.
noxious breath? 10 seconds of aoe major fracture with a dot? Deafening Roar? aoe major fracture also for 10 seconds? subterranean assaults is also 5 seconds aoe major fracture?Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on March 27, 2019 7:44AM3 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »The major fracture debuff should only be applied if using “Surprise” Attack from stealth.
Y’know...Surprise!
Or removing the fracture altogether could work too.
This. No one other class has access to major fracture. Wardens do but it’s only 4 seconds. Stamblades get major fracture, major defile and minor berserk and 20% extra damage off of incap. My stamplar gets minor fracture. That’s fair.
These arguments only work if all classes were equally balanced in some capability but they clearly aren't because if they were DK wouldn't be the best Tanks and Templar wouldn't be the best healers. Are you going to nerf them down also? Are you going to rebalance the classes so that they are all equally viable Tanks/Healers/DPS?
No because you have no idea about balance at all and just like to complain.
When talking stam, templars are not the best healers.
Stamblade has been hugely lopsided in its overloaded ability while magblade has been down because its version is less and it has worse heals while cloaked and less mobility/root snare counter into cloak. It would be as if HTD or BOL worked better on a stamplar thsn on a magplar. The NB class is just terribly lopsided to the stam variety of ganking.
Really should add root snare immunity to cloak and double the cost, then suppress heals to match the DOT suppression and auto crit should be removed. Remove major fracture from surprise attack. Add minor to both magicka and stam morph to applicable resist, increase major resist buff duration to the passives. Incap then either needs defile or increased damage to target, not both.
Basically need a way to shift more power to magblade and reduce utility to stamblade and give both more staying power to be competitive in group play such as battlegrounds neither currently are great at for a sacrifice to just ganking.
When talking balance, you balance with the whole game in mind, something you're failing to do. Let's go ahead and add Root/Snare immunity to cloak and double the cost, while also surpressing HoTs. Stamblade is now completely screwed as not only did you nerf their healing, you nerfed their only real form of in class survivability on top of reducing their damage to be more on par to Stamplar or Stamden, both of which also offer more utility and better overall survivability to NB even with an unnerfed Cloak, accomplishing nothing but making those two classes infinitely better options than Stamblade and considering that NB Tanks/Healers are both inferior to Warden and Templar Tanks/Healers, it just puts NB as a whole back as one of the worst classes in the game.
It's just awful suggestions that have 0 critical thinking on the overall impact of the game as a whole, which is honestly the problem with the majority of suggestion on these forums. Everyone only focuses on 1 single aspect of the game and tries to "balance" that aspect without thinking of the repercussions of that change in the grand scheme of things.
It's why I also suggested buffing the duration of the passive as part of something to raise their survivability. There needs to be more still for magicka NBs then on healing
The lack of critical thinking is from people not realizing in battlegrounds in a group effort, people dont want NBs on their team as it's a 1 trick pony, and that 1 trick doesn't work on a good group of players and leaves teammates shorthanded. You cant give buffs to address that along with leaving the ability to cloak as often, cause major fracture, major defile, maim, off balance , and have vulnerability damage boost to the stunned target out of stealth in 3 GCDs with a guaranteed crit. Its majorly overloaded in its capabilities coming out of cloak.1 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The major fracture debuff should only be applied if using “Surprise” Attack from stealth.
Y’know...Surprise!
Or removing the fracture altogether could work too.
This. No one other class has access to major fracture. Wardens do but it’s only 4 seconds. Stamblades get major fracture, major defile and minor berserk and 20% extra damage off of incap. My stamplar gets minor fracture. That’s fair.
DK, nine seconds of AoE Major Fracture. Wardens have five seconds, AoE as well. Let us have facts here. ^^0 -
Kombinator✭✭✭I don't play PVP (yet. This battleground feature seems interesting). But during questing the nightblade's invisibility is strong as hell. Ironicly it's strongest with a two-handed weapon. Most enemies almost die just from the opening, then 1 "execute" ability, and i can go on next target. It's also superior for escaping. I accidentally pulled 50 enemy, and a small boss. No problem invisibility 3 times, and run like hell.
Now if it works like that in PVP. I mean the ability to instant disappear from the field without cooldown, then it's OP AS HELL. In pretty much all games a skill, that makes you invisible in combat is high cooldown stuff. But there are no cooldowns in ESO.
Solution would be making that damage removes you from invisibility. DOT, and AOE effects could prevent the easy escape.
As for surviving the surprise attack. I didn't PVP much so i can't tell for sure, but i can tell, that PVP requires some health. You can't go in with light armor, 0 on health attribute, and expect to survive it. At least on WoW, and SWTOR you need some extra survival, or PVP gear to survive on PVP.Edited by Kombinator on March 27, 2019 11:27AM0 -
darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭In between that and incap strike mine too. I wish my other classes I play could faceroll across two attack keys and an insta escape button FTW. It's not the skills themselves, as everyone needs a spammable and an ultimate but the damage they do and the speed they do it is far superior to anything my magden or stamden can burst with.TequilaFire wrote: »Not such a surprise, eh?
Try wearing impen and invest in physical resistance.
It takes a whole lot more than that to survive a stamblade attack unless the killer is handicapped or a total newb. On my magden I've been forced into wearing pariah and even that generally is useless. With Ice fortress kicking and without pariah my melee defense sits around 22-25k, mag defense is higher. When Pariah activates it ramps up it's alot higher. I also run all Impen. Normally that isn't enough to save me. I can do pretty well vs any other class but NBs..I might as well hang it up. I can survive the initial burst on rare occasion and shield and begin healing but to ever reach the point of mounting an offensive, even rarer. Normally I've taken 3 surprise strikes to the face and an Incapacitating strike before my initial shalks have even been landed and my 1st bird en route. There's a reason 50% of Cyrodiil is NB. Even a new player can be a bad ass.
People wonder why players run in zergs in Cyrodiil. No one wants to be lambs to the slaughter continuously.
Edit: For quite awhile I have been in sheer frustration just trying to have a chance against NBs. I began trying different builds created just to try and counter them specifically. I got tot he point I was running out alone just taunting them to attack me so I could hone my skills vs them on my Magden. I finally just hung it up. Even when I even felt I might be able to turn the tables they just disappear and reappear in 20 seconds to bust my ass again. It's very irritating. I guess I'm just doomed to be the paper to the NBs scissors.
Nightblades are great versus people with little skill/experience. I run into them from time to time, they just stand still eating all my damage, or they run away from me in a straight line spamming their heal or shield. Then they cry on these forums how NB’s are overpowered.
But once you get into matches against better players who know how to counter NB’s, that experience changes quickly and NB’s are actually quite difficult to play well.
Just today I ran into a 4 man strong group at a battleground capture point. I fought them for minutes, killed 2 of them, nearly a third, before I had to withdraw. The thing is these players had like <19k health, didn’t use any abilities that could decloak me except some very poorly aimed arrow sprays, and didn’t react to me pummeling their healer before she was nearly dead.
On the other hand a couple of days ago I got killed by a single Templar that I had attacked in less than 2 seconds. He just ate my burst from stealth, then stunned me and dropped me moments after I broke the stun. I was like ‘what the...f happened’. Skill gap is just so important in ESO, and is the primary reason of all the nerf threads (apart from specific unbalanced things like too many snares/CC, sorc/WW pet targetting, and DK wings cancelling out entire playstyles)
Anyhow, my stamina DK is a ton simpler to play and do quite well without much thought. Yes you die when outmatched with no class inherent escape mechanisms, but you can last significantly longer than a NB in combat. In fact on my DK I consider 95% of the NB’s free kills if they can’t get away successfully (and yes its quite easy to counter cloak, and it takes significant effort on the NB’s part to get away from builds that incorporate anti-NB tools). And even on my NB I find other NB’s usually the easiest targets. Obviously there are some really good NB players that wipe the floor with me, but I’m definitely not quaking in my boots at the mere hint of an enemy NB regardless of the class I play, but I do make sure to bring something in my build that cancels out their cloak advantage.
You know I do agree with you that skill is very important, especially in PVP. I've been PKing, PVPing, and RVRing since Ultima online. I've got many years of experience in the RVR games this one's based on (Daoc, Warhammer) and of course I've been playing here since pc release. Now I'm not going to say I'm an expert but I'm damn sure a veteran and do a lot of reading, watching, and playing to better myself almost nightly. I don't run 19k health like a new player. I'm a bit over 27k. You can take it to the bank I don't leave the gates without an AOE to de-cloak the *** ton of sneaky asses that are all over the place. As I mentioned I'm even armored pretty heavily just to be able to absorb the burst and maybe have a slight chance in hell I'll recover. I don't have to make those kind of adjustments for any other class but NBs. I too have stories of NBs dropping players with arms reach of me before I can even bar swap and drop a heal. Your story of the templar is pretty much my nightly encounters with NBs. I'll keep fighting the good fight and keep hammering away with my magden just because I love RVR and the class I play but I haven't seen some truly out of whack skills like some of these we're talking about since 60 second mezzes in Daoc.
Get a group of 10 stamblades to fight a group of 10 any other stamina spec and tell me how it goes. Stamblade right now bring nothing to the organized PvP group. Tell me why all stamblades should also auto lose to one of the worst dueling specs? DPs warden is in the opposite position which is being overpowered in group scenarios and being underpowered in solo scenarios. Would you trade your overtuned shalks for a better 1v1 skill knowing what Cyrodiil is like? Would you like for your class to regularly top the rare dueling tournaments along with stam DKs and Magsorcs but be basically extinct in mid-tier to high-tier BGs baring Ovenface?0 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Kombinator , AoEs do break cloak. As for cooldown, then cloak is expensive and stamblades don't have resources to cast it more than two, three times tops until they're out of magicka. Now magblades is another matter, but magblades aren't having great time in PvP around now anyway.
As for people dying to SA - well, ESO's potato fields are always in the season of harvest. Buff up. Wear impenetrable. Don't be a sitting duck in the open. Ambush, incap, SA - most telegraphed things in the game, and autumn's patch made them even more so. Bottom line, if someone wants to be a squishy glass cannon and don't incur any penalty for that - it's on them.2 -
Joosef_Kivikilpi✭✭✭✭In between that and incap strike mine too. I wish my other classes I play could faceroll across two attack keys and an insta escape button FTW. It's not the skills themselves, as everyone needs a spammable and an ultimate but the damage they do and the speed they do it is far superior to anything my magden or stamden can burst with.TequilaFire wrote: »Not such a surprise, eh?
Try wearing impen and invest in physical resistance.
It takes a whole lot more than that to survive a stamblade attack unless the killer is handicapped or a total newb. On my magden I've been forced into wearing pariah and even that generally is useless. With Ice fortress kicking and without pariah my melee defense sits around 22-25k, mag defense is higher. When Pariah activates it ramps up it's alot higher. I also run all Impen. Normally that isn't enough to save me. I can do pretty well vs any other class but NBs..I might as well hang it up. I can survive the initial burst on rare occasion and shield and begin healing but to ever reach the point of mounting an offensive, even rarer. Normally I've taken 3 surprise strikes to the face and an Incapacitating strike before my initial shalks have even been landed and my 1st bird en route. There's a reason 50% of Cyrodiil is NB. Even a new player can be a bad ass.
People wonder why players run in zergs in Cyrodiil. No one wants to be lambs to the slaughter continuously.
Edit: For quite awhile I have been in sheer frustration just trying to have a chance against NBs. I began trying different builds created just to try and counter them specifically. I got tot he point I was running out alone just taunting them to attack me so I could hone my skills vs them on my Magden. I finally just hung it up. Even when I even felt I might be able to turn the tables they just disappear and reappear in 20 seconds to bust my ass again. It's very irritating. I guess I'm just doomed to be the paper to the NBs scissors.
Detection Potions or just an Ice Staff Blockade and Clench. Done. Nightblade isn't escaping from your MagWarden.0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »The major fracture debuff should only be applied if using “Surprise” Attack from stealth.
Y’know...Surprise!
Or removing the fracture altogether could work too.
This. No one other class has access to major fracture. Wardens do but it’s only 4 seconds. Stamblades get major fracture, major defile and minor berserk and 20% extra damage off of incap. My stamplar gets minor fracture. That’s fair.
DK, nine seconds of AoE Major Fracture. Wardens have five seconds, AoE as well. Let us have facts here. ^^
Wardens have a cone quadruple the size of Dks. Size does matter
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John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Ragnarock41 , that's true. ^^ The bigger the better. >.>
And granted, in PvP, Noxious is hard to land, the hitbox is clunky, but I still slot it for added pressure.1 -
Kuramas9tails✭✭✭✭✭
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Whoah whoah whoah.Stamblade is the easiest class to play in the game
I tried it and I died so many times.
This one is too clumsy and slow thinker to actually run a successful Stamblade. Had to use Mageblade so I could cloak longer and shield.Your friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
New PSN name: SundariTheLast. Proud seller in RedEye Empire, PURPLE GANG and Backalley Trading.
AD High Elf Mageblade DPS (General)(Former Empress) -- Stormproof/VMOL, VHOF, VDSA completion
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Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »The major fracture debuff should only be applied if using “Surprise” Attack from stealth.
Y’know...Surprise!
Or removing the fracture altogether could work too.
This. No one other class has access to major fracture. Wardens do but it’s only 4 seconds. Stamblades get major fracture, major defile and minor berserk and 20% extra damage off of incap. My stamplar gets minor fracture. That’s fair.
These arguments only work if all classes were equally balanced in some capability but they clearly aren't because if they were DK wouldn't be the best Tanks and Templar wouldn't be the best healers. Are you going to nerf them down also? Are you going to rebalance the classes so that they are all equally viable Tanks/Healers/DPS?
No because you have no idea about balance at all and just like to complain.
When talking stam, templars are not the best healers.
Stamblade has been hugely lopsided in its overloaded ability while magblade has been down because its version is less and it has worse heals while cloaked and less mobility/root snare counter into cloak. It would be as if HTD or BOL worked better on a stamplar thsn on a magplar. The NB class is just terribly lopsided to the stam variety of ganking.
Really should add root snare immunity to cloak and double the cost, then suppress heals to match the DOT suppression and auto crit should be removed. Remove major fracture from surprise attack. Add minor to both magicka and stam morph to applicable resist, increase major resist buff duration to the passives. Incap then either needs defile or increased damage to target, not both.
Basically need a way to shift more power to magblade and reduce utility to stamblade and give both more staying power to be competitive in group play such as battlegrounds neither currently are great at for a sacrifice to just ganking.
When talking balance, you balance with the whole game in mind, something you're failing to do. Let's go ahead and add Root/Snare immunity to cloak and double the cost, while also surpressing HoTs. Stamblade is now completely screwed as not only did you nerf their healing, you nerfed their only real form of in class survivability on top of reducing their damage to be more on par to Stamplar or Stamden, both of which also offer more utility and better overall survivability to NB even with an unnerfed Cloak, accomplishing nothing but making those two classes infinitely better options than Stamblade and considering that NB Tanks/Healers are both inferior to Warden and Templar Tanks/Healers, it just puts NB as a whole back as one of the worst classes in the game.
It's just awful suggestions that have 0 critical thinking on the overall impact of the game as a whole, which is honestly the problem with the majority of suggestion on these forums. Everyone only focuses on 1 single aspect of the game and tries to "balance" that aspect without thinking of the repercussions of that change in the grand scheme of things.
It's why I also suggested buffing the duration of the passive as part of something to raise their survivability. There needs to be more still for magicka NBs then on healing
The lack of critical thinking is from people not realizing in battlegrounds in a group effort, people dont want NBs on their team as it's a 1 trick pony, and that 1 trick doesn't work on a good group of players and leaves teammates shorthanded. You cant give buffs to address that along with leaving the ability to cloak as often, cause major fracture, major defile, maim, off balance , and have vulnerability damage boost to the stunned target out of stealth in 3 GCDs with a guaranteed crit. Its majorly overloaded in its capabilities coming out of cloak.
The duration increase of Shadow Barrier is meaningless since NB already gets 100% uptime (or damn well close to it) because of Surprise Attack already. It wouldn't do anything to help them that they don't already have. You removing Healing while cloaked further screws NB since it doesn't have burst healing capabilities like the other classes so it does the exact opposite of trying to make NB useful by making them even more of a liability. How tf do you think suppressing heals on a class that's healing comes primarily from HoTs would be a good idea is beyond me.
You're also contradicting yourself. If the fact that them being majorly overloaded coming out of Cloak doesn't work on good players, despite the Major Fracture, Major Defile, Maim, Off Balance, amd Vulnerability boost, doesn't that mean the class isn't a problem? It doesn't work despite all that but you would still nerf them, your logic is flawed.Argonian forever0 -
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✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »@Ragnarock41 , that's true. ^^ The bigger the better. >.>
And granted, in PvP, Noxious is hard to land, the hitbox is clunky, but I still slot it for added pressure.
I wouldn't deny the added pressure from major fracture, however the ability itself basically does no damage. 200 sustained dps on a PvP target is basically weaker than a poisoned proc.0 -
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✭Lol after four years stamblading I just recently slotted it over rending and it’s just ok
It’s certainly not op a bit clunky but it doesn’t pull me out of stealth like rending doesAussie lag is real!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »The major fracture debuff should only be applied if using “Surprise” Attack from stealth.
Y’know...Surprise!
Or removing the fracture altogether could work too.
This. No one other class has access to major fracture. Wardens do but it’s only 4 seconds. Stamblades get major fracture, major defile and minor berserk and 20% extra damage off of incap. My stamplar gets minor fracture. That’s fair.
These arguments only work if all classes were equally balanced in some capability but they clearly aren't because if they were DK wouldn't be the best Tanks and Templar wouldn't be the best healers. Are you going to nerf them down also? Are you going to rebalance the classes so that they are all equally viable Tanks/Healers/DPS?
No because you have no idea about balance at all and just like to complain.
Lol. Stamplar healer that’s a good one. Stamina Templar’s and stamina NBs have exactly the same access to healing. In fact you’re the one who knows nothing but nice try. Stambalde main detected.
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✭✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »The major fracture debuff should only be applied if using “Surprise” Attack from stealth.
Y’know...Surprise!
Or removing the fracture altogether could work too.
This. No one other class has access to major fracture. Wardens do but it’s only 4 seconds. Stamblades get major fracture, major defile and minor berserk and 20% extra damage off of incap. My stamplar gets minor fracture. That’s fair.
DK, nine seconds of AoE Major Fracture. Wardens have five seconds, AoE as well. Let us have facts here. ^^
Right noxious breath, it’s so bad I forgot about it. Still doesn’t even come close to the 15 seconds NBs get. On top of that you can add a free CC from stealth to two of the best CCs in the game one of which is unblockable and undodgeable. My bad on forgetting about noxious breath but we can’t honestly sit here and pretend NBs aren’t overtuned. People say they have no use in groups in high end organized fights but that’s such a niche situation. They’re incredibly strong in every other instance. I say make their Ward buff more practical and then get rid of the free cc from stealth, lower the fracture uptime to be in line with other skills, make incap minor defile and change the 20% damage to 10% and then we can talk about balance.Edited by Vapirko on March 27, 2019 1:15PM1
