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Suprise Attack
Gluedog
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This fills up my death recap every time
Edit: Love you all
Edited by Gluedog on March 27, 2019 1:26PM Edit: Love you all
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not such a surprise, eh?
Try wearing impen and invest in physical resistance.7 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yea well it does work better than a wet noodle.
Seriously. Did you get tired of complaining about snipe, incap, cloak and just has to find a new thing to complain about?
What skills should a nightblade use to kill you? You know that's the point of PvP right? To kill other players before you get killed? We cant exactly vigor you to death.Beta tester November 201319 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yea well it does work better than a wet noodle.
Seriously. Did you get tired of complaining about snipe, incap, cloak and just has to find a new thing to complain about?
What skills should a nightblade use to kill you? You know that's the point of PvP right? To kill other players before you get killed? We cant exactly vigor you to death.
Implying Surprise attack isn´t overtuned.......Edited by Qbiken on March 26, 2019 6:08PM13 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Here come the known nightblade haters.
I can almost list them from memory. lmao14 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Here come the known nightblade haters.
I can almost list them from memory. lmao
exactly, and they allways claim
"i play a nightblade and nightblade damage is too high"
meaning that because they play a nightblade that they know more then we do, and that is suppose to somehow increase thier word over others.4 -
Zardayne✭✭✭✭✭In between that and incap strike mine too. I wish my other classes I play could faceroll across two attack keys and an insta escape button FTW. It's not the skills themselves, as everyone needs a spammable and an ultimate but the damage they do and the speed they do it is far superior to anything my magden or stamden can burst with.TequilaFire wrote: »Not such a surprise, eh?
Try wearing impen and invest in physical resistance.
It takes a whole lot more than that to survive a stamblade attack unless the killer is handicapped or a total newb. On my magden I've been forced into wearing pariah and even that generally is useless. With Ice fortress kicking and without pariah my melee defense sits around 22-25k, mag defense is higher. When Pariah activates it ramps up it's alot higher. I also run all Impen. Normally that isn't enough to save me. I can do pretty well vs any other class but NBs..I might as well hang it up. I can survive the initial burst on rare occasion and shield and begin healing but to ever reach the point of mounting an offensive, even rarer. Normally I've taken 3 surprise strikes to the face and an Incapacitating strike before my initial shalks have even been landed and my 1st bird en route. There's a reason 50% of Cyrodiil is NB. Even a new player can be a bad ass.
People wonder why players run in zergs in Cyrodiil. No one wants to be lambs to the slaughter continuously.
Edit: For quite awhile I have been in sheer frustration just trying to have a chance against NBs. I began trying different builds created just to try and counter them specifically. I got tot he point I was running out alone just taunting them to attack me so I could hone my skills vs them on my Magden. I finally just hung it up. Even when I even felt I might be able to turn the tables they just disappear and reappear in 20 seconds to bust my ass again. It's very irritating. I guess I'm just doomed to be the paper to the NBs scissors.Edited by Zardayne on March 26, 2019 6:39PM3 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yea well it does work better than a wet noodle.
Seriously. Did you get tired of complaining about snipe, incap, cloak and just has to find a new thing to complain about?
What skills should a nightblade use to kill you? You know that's the point of PvP right? To kill other players before you get killed? We cant exactly vigor you to death.
Implying Surprise attack isn´t overtuned.......
To some people every skill that kills them is overtuned.
My death recaps have a common theme too. Desto ult, vicious death, proxy det, shalks, wrath, crystal frags, spin to win ....etc etc.
I guess those are all overtuned tooEdited by Katahdin on March 26, 2019 6:36PMBeta tester November 20136 -
Zardayne✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Here come the known nightblade haters.
I can almost list them from memory. lmao
HAHA Please add me to that list as well. Sorry, it's a touchy subject.3 -
Rukzadlithau✭✭✭✭Angry responses, from players whose subconscious starts to doubt their own player skill, incoming.6
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yea well it does work better than a wet noodle.
Seriously. Did you get tired of complaining about snipe, incap, cloak and just has to find a new thing to complain about?
What skills should a nightblade use to kill you? You know that's the point of PvP right? To kill other players before you get killed? We cant exactly vigor you to death.
Implying Surprise attack isn´t overtuned.......
To some people every skill that kills them is overtuned.
My death recaps have a common theme too. Desto ult, vicious death, proxy det, shalks, wrath, crystal frags, spin to win ....etc etc.
I guess those are all overtuned too
You still die to frags?7 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Let's just reduce every skill to 10 dps per hit and have a wet noodle snorefestBeta tester November 20135 -
Zardayne✭✭✭✭✭Yea well it does work better than a wet noodle.
Seriously. Did you get tired of complaining about snipe, incap, cloak and just has to find a new thing to complain about?
What skills should a nightblade use to kill you? You know that's the point of PvP right? To kill other players before you get killed? We cant exactly vigor you to death.
Implying Surprise attack isn´t overtuned.......
To some people every skill that kills them is overtuned.
My death recaps have a common theme too. Desto ult, vicious death, proxy det, shalks, wrath, crystal frags, spin to win ....etc etc.
I guess those are all overtuned too
Shalks might be a tad overtuned but it's also highly telegraphed and you have 3 seconds to figure out if you're going to dodge, run through me, or sidestep 2 steps to totally negate my damage. Unfortuntely suprise attack and Incap strike don't give any notice other than chunks of health that are instantly ripped off.4 -
EDS604✭✭✭should just change the bonus to health gained in cyro to all skills deal 50% less dmg, pve won't be affected, and majority of pvp'ers would be happyPC EU, Guildleader of "Death By Gargoyle".0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭should just change the bonus to health gained in cyro to all skills deal 50% less dmg, pve won't be affected, and majority of pvp'ers would be happy
Battle spirit already reduces damage taken by 50%. Essentially what you're saying is we should have really low health, but take no damage. I'm pretty sure we won't be happy about that.
As far as surprise attack is concerned, I'm okay with it. I'm just envious of it.0 -
Left4Daud✭✭✭✭✭
✭The major fracture debuff should only be applied if using “Surprise” Attack from stealth.
Y’know...Surprise!
Or removing the fracture altogether could work too.7 -
Sasyk✭✭✭Endless fury, shalks and dragon leap fill my death recap a lot but I don't go on the forums and cry about it. Stop whining about nightblades, they practically bring nothing to the group in pvp and especially in battlegrounds. You're better off playing a mag warden or a pet sorc.
I play a stamblade in pvp and the first people I often go after are other nightblades cause they're so squishy compared to the other classes. All complaining does is ruin the class in pve.Sasyk Ik-ce - Spacey Ricochet - Swaggette - Andrea Ik-ce - Avari Lebe - Rubi Malone - Amaryllis Fox - Sergeant Moxy - Moon Unit Zoey - Retro Betty - Emmanuelle Sinclair
Nightfighters - Sempiternal Way - Macro and Cheese5 -
InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yea well it does work better than a wet noodle.
Seriously. Did you get tired of complaining about snipe, incap, cloak and just has to find a new thing to complain about?
What skills should a nightblade use to kill you? You know that's the point of PvP right? To kill other players before you get killed? We cant exactly vigor you to death.
Implying Surprise attack isn´t overtuned.......
To some people every skill that kills them is overtuned.
My death recaps have a common theme too. Desto ult, vicious death, proxy det, shalks, wrath, crystal frags, spin to win ....etc etc.
I guess those are all overtuned too
Shalks might be a tad overtuned but it's also highly telegraphed and you have 3 seconds to figure out if you're going to dodge, run through me, or sidestep 2 steps to totally negate my damage. Unfortuntely suprise attack and Incap strike don't give any notice other than chunks of health that are instantly ripped off.
Actually... they do. Most NBs will cloak before incap strike. All you have to do is block.1 -
russelmmendoza✭✭✭✭✭
✭My magsorc slaughters stam nb anytime of the day. Or they run and wait for their deeks to take me down.
And yes I play stamblade but not so much lately because of the dw nerf. Yeah effing hated that to oblivion and almost made me wanna quit this game that I love so much.
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LordTareq✭✭✭✭✭In between that and incap strike mine too. I wish my other classes I play could faceroll across two attack keys and an insta escape button FTW. It's not the skills themselves, as everyone needs a spammable and an ultimate but the damage they do and the speed they do it is far superior to anything my magden or stamden can burst with.TequilaFire wrote: »Not such a surprise, eh?
Try wearing impen and invest in physical resistance.
It takes a whole lot more than that to survive a stamblade attack unless the killer is handicapped or a total newb. On my magden I've been forced into wearing pariah and even that generally is useless. With Ice fortress kicking and without pariah my melee defense sits around 22-25k, mag defense is higher. When Pariah activates it ramps up it's alot higher. I also run all Impen. Normally that isn't enough to save me. I can do pretty well vs any other class but NBs..I might as well hang it up. I can survive the initial burst on rare occasion and shield and begin healing but to ever reach the point of mounting an offensive, even rarer. Normally I've taken 3 surprise strikes to the face and an Incapacitating strike before my initial shalks have even been landed and my 1st bird en route. There's a reason 50% of Cyrodiil is NB. Even a new player can be a bad ass.
People wonder why players run in zergs in Cyrodiil. No one wants to be lambs to the slaughter continuously.
Edit: For quite awhile I have been in sheer frustration just trying to have a chance against NBs. I began trying different builds created just to try and counter them specifically. I got tot he point I was running out alone just taunting them to attack me so I could hone my skills vs them on my Magden. I finally just hung it up. Even when I even felt I might be able to turn the tables they just disappear and reappear in 20 seconds to bust my ass again. It's very irritating. I guess I'm just doomed to be the paper to the NBs scissors.
Nightblades are great versus people with little skill/experience. I run into them from time to time, they just stand still eating all my damage, or they run away from me in a straight line spamming their heal or shield. Then they cry on these forums how NB’s are overpowered.
But once you get into matches against better players who know how to counter NB’s, that experience changes quickly and NB’s are actually quite difficult to play well.
Just today I ran into a 4 man strong group at a battleground capture point. I fought them for minutes, killed 2 of them, nearly a third, before I had to withdraw. The thing is these players had like <19k health, didn’t use any abilities that could decloak me except some very poorly aimed arrow sprays, and didn’t react to me pummeling their healer before she was nearly dead.
On the other hand a couple of days ago I got killed by a single Templar that I had attacked in less than 2 seconds. He just ate my burst from stealth, then stunned me and dropped me moments after I broke the stun. I was like ‘what the...f happened’. Skill gap is just so important in ESO, and is the primary reason of all the nerf threads (apart from specific unbalanced things like too many snares/CC, sorc/WW pet targetting, and DK wings cancelling out entire playstyles)
Anyhow, my stamina DK is a ton simpler to play and do quite well without much thought. Yes you die when outmatched with no class inherent escape mechanisms, but you can last significantly longer than a NB in combat. In fact on my DK I consider 95% of the NB’s free kills if they can’t get away successfully (and yes its quite easy to counter cloak, and it takes significant effort on the NB’s part to get away from builds that incorporate anti-NB tools). And even on my NB I find other NB’s usually the easiest targets. Obviously there are some really good NB players that wipe the floor with me, but I’m definitely not quaking in my boots at the mere hint of an enemy NB regardless of the class I play, but I do make sure to bring something in my build that cancels out their cloak advantage.
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