event tickets... (big sigh)

therift · March 2019

MornaBaine wrote: »

I used to look forward to the events. I've almost completely lost interest in them at this point.

^This.

I had high hopes that the events would be taken to a higher level when the Impresario merchant and Ticket currency were announced. I thought perhaps ZoS was doing away with RNG and moving towards a system in which everyone had a good chance of acquiring the special goodies they wanted.

Instead the events feel more 'grindy', more confusing, less forgiving of limited game time, and less festive.

The Indrik Mount program is the poster child of just how far ESO events have devolved to a stressful, dragged-out pain in the effing arse.

Jhalin · March 2019

Linaleah wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

eh even if I dont get them often I'm not concerned. It's style pages not motifs so there's really no reason to care about them (like completing motifs improves your chance at getting master writs I hear) unless you're actually going to use the skins, and I don't really plan to. So if I get them whatever.

that's very nice for you. some of us like to collect appearances. and yes. use them.

Then wait a few more days to buy them with gold

These things always tank in price. Just look at Worm Cult, or Skinchanger, or Hollowjack. Your particular luck being bad is not a fault of the gam. In general the drop rate seems somewhere between 3 and 5 per 9 stupendous boxes, something around 40%, so all you’ve gotta do is wait and buy them once everyone’s selling duplicates

except... here is the difference. worm cult could drop from any daily boxes. and even if you just did crafting every day on 8 characters - you got roughly 48 chances per DAY to get those drops. and then you could do other dailies to increase your chances some more. vs 3 chances per day and that's it. you are done.

same for skinchanger and hollowjack, drop chances weren't nearly as limited as these pages. so yes. that is a fault of the game. becasue its severely restricting player ability to farm those pages, as well as the tickets.

I really wish eye rolling was an emoji. Remember worm cult chests, or the one from arenas that was selling for 75k+ during the festival? Those are going for chump change now, I think the most expensive I’ve seen in a while is 30k, and there were plenty more cheaper than that.

The tickets aren’t particularly limited, there’s a cap so people don’t just hoard them forever and stop participating. The ticket items are a reward for continuous participation, by design. Three boxes at basically 40% drop rates a day for 13 days seems pretty reasonable. Players may freely trade their pages, or sell their pages, or plain ol gift them. There will be plenty extra floating around by the time the second week starts, that much I’m sure of

Edit: on top of that, there’s 26 tickets from this event, with the last one carrying over enough extras to get the last berry on day 1. So that would be 10 for the berry already saved, 10 for the pet out of the 26 during the event, then 16 more for any of the pages you want once the last days get here

If you’ve been participating, you’ll have plenty

YOU,

COULD

DO

THOSE

MULTIPLE

TIMES

a DAY

on MULTIPLE

CHARACTERS

PER

ACCOUNT.

and the drop of SOME sort of page was 100% guaranteed. you had 50/50 chance of which page it would be, but you were always guaranteed to get A page. which is not what we have here with jesters festival, not even remotely.

I just got my first page in 3 days on 3 accounts. participation with only 3 chances per account is NOT a guarantee

i really do wish eyeroll emoji was a thing, becasue i'm rolling my eyes at all of you coming here with you platitudes right now.

there are 10 pages total. you can buy 3 of them with tickets if you buy a pet, which I will. 5 if you do not. there rest is rng.

I'm almost wondering if those of you who are dismissing concerns are the very players who are lucky enough to get these pages, don't care about learning them and are making bank selling them.

Because they aren’t “lucky”, their rates seem to be a pretty good standard. You are just unlucky, and the pages will be cheap anyway because they are accountwide unlocks unlike motifs. Stop worrying so much when they are obviously going to become cheap in no time.

I got an inferno maelstrom staff the first time I completed vMA, other people spent ages. That doesn’t mean the game is rigged against them. People have offered to send you their extras, what more do you expect? 100% drop rates? No duplicates ever? 50 tickets so you can buy a berry and a feather and the pet and all the outfit pages too?

There is absolutely no need to rush, and the only reason anyone is making money at this point is because other people are really, really impatient and want every page right now.

Linaleah · March 2019

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Lin.... I repeat.... I'm not interested in what of those I get, and if you need anything I have after the event I will be MORE than happy to mail them to you (assuming PC/NA).

I don't get the whole "Cadwell" thing (and I don't really care so no one needs to point out to me the error of my ways thanks - not you Lin.... but there are others....)

So of the motif drops when the event is done, if there's anything you need, just let me know, and if I have it it's yours. I got the bow on one account today - don't know which one right now as that's how SO not interested I am. I'm much more interested in giving them to you - because you are a really class act.

thank you!

i really appreciate it. as for Cadwell, I don't know about other people but for me.. its my lifelong love of Monty Python and John Gleese . and just sheer ridiculousness of giant utencils as weapon which is also a very Monty Python thing :P which incidentally also the reason why i came this close to buying a stick horse "mount" (Monty Python and holy grail reference). i have the entirety of Flying Circus on DVD, both Holy Grail and life of Brian and Fierce Creatures is one of my favorite comedy movies EVER. (also - highly reccomend watching Faulty Towers if ever have a chance) aaanyways /deep breath

as for that whole "you do not need to buy things with tickets" yeah, i have to grind extra gold instead and hope the ones i need are listed. and maker help me if I decide that I want all of my accounts to have acess to the look.

blech.

Tipsy · March 2019

therift wrote: »

The Indrik Mount program is the poster child of just how far ESO events have devolved to a stressful, dragged-out pain in the effing arse.

I think many experience it as stressful because of the tickets chase. The events are too centered around chasing tickets and titles and the game is not worth the candle to me (as to me the rewards aren't al that exciting at least)
I like the idea of the jester kings & queen and strongly dislike that to participate in the event means to be shoe horned in a boring repetitive grind of a series of quests over and over for tickets.(which were the same as last year)
what about world events in the capital cities? or altering all the anchors during events ? or a unique temporary dungeon for the period of the event...
Something to enjoy the event just for what it is , without the ticket grind stir up taking all the joy out of it.Just an event in sign of cheer fun,not in sign of grind.

Enemoriana · March 2019

Linaleah wrote: »

as for that whole "you do not need to buy things with tickets" yeah, i have to grind extra gold instead and hope the ones i need are listed. and maker help me if I decide that I want all of my accounts to have acess to the look. blech.

And what do you want? 100% chance and 50 tickets on top?
They were not expensive in first day. They will be cheap in the end.
With crafting dailies that won't be much work. And pages will be available in guildstores after event (though may cost a bit more), so no need to buy immediatly.
There will be no problem with getting this style!

Linaleah · March 2019

Enemoriana wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

as for that whole "you do not need to buy things with tickets" yeah, i have to grind extra gold instead and hope the ones i need are listed. and maker help me if I decide that I want all of my accounts to have acess to the look. blech.

And what do you want? 100% chance and 50 tickets on top?
They were not expensive in first day. They will be cheap in the end.
With crafting dailies that won't be much work. And pages will be available in guildstores after event (though may cost a bit more), so no need to buy immediatly.
There will be no problem with getting this style!

what i want is better chance to get those things. 100% chance in a first box at least would be nice, given that you only get 3 boxes per day. what I want is ability to completely, 100% to farm them yourself, WITHOUT having to buy them from guild stores because you got unlucky. IMO opinion guild stores should be for those who would like the pages but don't enjoy event quests so its their way of skipping the grind. NOT the only recourse outside of buying tickets in crown store.

but apparently asking an ability to earn something in game on your own is just too much >_>

Enemoriana · March 2019

Linaleah wrote: »

what i want is better chance to get those things. 100% chance in a first box at least would be nice, given that you only get 3 boxes per day. what I want is ability to completely, 100% to farm them yourself, WITHOUT having to buy them from guild stores because you got unlucky. IMO opinion guild stores should be for those who would like the pages but don't enjoy event quests so its their way of skipping the grind. NOT the only recourse outside of buying tickets in crown store.

but apparently asking an ability to earn something in game on your own is just too much >_>

If there will be guaranteed page each day + current chances for two other boxes, there will be no interest in participating - active people will have collected style somewhere in the middle. And a lot of people will not participate at all, knowing style will be cheap as dirt. Why go to trial for dremora if you can earn money for style faster then you'll find group? How many people seriously farmed skulls specially for hollowjack last witches festival, when even "who wants for free?" questions were often without answers? What would be the reason to do something in this event if you could sell 2-3 trash armor and buy style?
It is MMO, not single player game. It is normal to have some interaction with others! As pvp, or throwing pies, or trading.
There should be some things that depends only on work done (that's tickets and achievements), but there should be also some random things. Incredibly high chances kills interest. So that should be just normal. And that means somebody will be unlucky. But that's why pages are tradeable...
Such chances can be ok in second year... but will not, because there will be more interesting things.

Linaleah · March 2019

Enemoriana wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

what i want is better chance to get those things. 100% chance in a first box at least would be nice, given that you only get 3 boxes per day. what I want is ability to completely, 100% to farm them yourself, WITHOUT having to buy them from guild stores because you got unlucky. IMO opinion guild stores should be for those who would like the pages but don't enjoy event quests so its their way of skipping the grind. NOT the only recourse outside of buying tickets in crown store.

but apparently asking an ability to earn something in game on your own is just too much >_>

If there will be guaranteed page each day + current chances for two other boxes, there will be no interest in participating - active people will have collected style somewhere in the middle. And a lot of people will not participate at all, knowing style will be cheap as dirt. Why go to trial for dremora if you can earn money for style faster then you'll find group? How many people seriously farmed skulls specially for hollowjack last witches festival, when even "who wants for free?" questions were often without answers? What would be the reason to do something in this event if you could sell 2-3 trash armor and buy style?
It is MMO, not single player game. It is normal to have some interaction with others! As pvp, or throwing pies, or trading.
There should be some things that depends only on work done (that's tickets and achievements), but there should be also some random things. Incredibly high chances kills interest. So that should be just normal. And that means somebody will be unlucky. But that's why pages are tradeable...
Such chances can be ok in second year... but will not, because there will be more interesting things.

lets just agree to disagree, ok? becasue nothing you are saying right now is something I even remotely agree with. i actualy think its a GOOD thing that people can pick and chose which content they wish to do instead of being herded into content they otherwise do not enjoy. it does NOT create interest, for a lot of people - it does quite the opposite. so... agree to disagree.

have a nice day.

Enemoriana · March 2019

Linaleah wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

what i want is better chance to get those things. 100% chance in a first box at least would be nice, given that you only get 3 boxes per day. what I want is ability to completely, 100% to farm them yourself, WITHOUT having to buy them from guild stores because you got unlucky. IMO opinion guild stores should be for those who would like the pages but don't enjoy event quests so its their way of skipping the grind. NOT the only recourse outside of buying tickets in crown store.

but apparently asking an ability to earn something in game on your own is just too much >_>

If there will be guaranteed page each day + current chances for two other boxes, there will be no interest in participating - active people will have collected style somewhere in the middle. And a lot of people will not participate at all, knowing style will be cheap as dirt. Why go to trial for dremora if you can earn money for style faster then you'll find group? How many people seriously farmed skulls specially for hollowjack last witches festival, when even "who wants for free?" questions were often without answers? What would be the reason to do something in this event if you could sell 2-3 trash armor and buy style?
It is MMO, not single player game. It is normal to have some interaction with others! As pvp, or throwing pies, or trading.
There should be some things that depends only on work done (that's tickets and achievements), but there should be also some random things. Incredibly high chances kills interest. So that should be just normal. And that means somebody will be unlucky. But that's why pages are tradeable...
Such chances can be ok in second year... but will not, because there will be more interesting things.

lets just agree to disagree, ok? becasue nothing you are saying right now is something I even remotely agree with. i actualy think its a GOOD thing that people can pick and chose which content they wish to do instead of being herded into content they otherwise do not enjoy. it does NOT create interest, for a lot of people - it does quite the opposite. so... agree to disagree.

have a nice day.

When people are not interested, they just don't participate.
Different kinds of interest exists.

Adernath · March 2019

Honestly I find it really disappointing that these tickets can just be bought in the store. I thought that the indriks were something we have to work for (in-game) to earn them so they would count as some sort of achievement. But no. Its basically reduced to just another crown store purchase in disguise (if you don't have the time to do it). And honestly these events are getting dull ... I might as well just purchase what I like the next time and do something else with my spare time.

zvavi · March 2019

For the one that's said that you can do the dailies on multiple characters per day. You have a chance to drop the style pages ONLY on the first unique mission per day per account (therefore 3 times a day) and not each character. And for those that complain you can buy it with tickets, zos has confirmed that the tickets are there for those who missed few of them, and needs a bit help to catch up, hence their very high and arguably unreasonable price.

Jameliel · March 2019

If you have been playing for longer than 1 year, you have most certainly noticed that zos gets worse, not better. If you keep paying them while steadfastly complaining here, you are wasting your time. Basically noone from zos who can change anything ever replies lol. Keep paying and what incentive do they have to change? It's very simple...smh

Enemoriana · March 2019

Adernath wrote: »

Honestly I find it really disappointing that these tickets can just be bought in the store. I thought that the indriks were something we have to work for (in-game) to earn them so they would count as some sort of achievement. But no. Its basically reduced to just another crown store purchase in disguise (if you don't have the time to do it). And honestly these events are getting dull ... I might as well just purchase what I like the next time and do something else with my spare time.

Count how many crowns is needed for one morphed indrik...
If somebody is ready to pay that much for just one free and not the best mount a lot of people have... well, I think he deserves it.

Tickets for crowns are good idea, with berries removed. Cost too much to buy everything for crowns, but allows to get few missed tickets for last berry. Have 3 berries and 9 tickets will be too cruel and disappointing. Especially if some tickets were missed because of maintenance and inconvinient timezone, steam login issues, etc. - because of reasons not depending on player.

darthgummibear_ESO · March 2019

The way the tickets are being handled has pretty much caused me to lose interest in the events beyond the basic things like achievements. I don't care enough about the indrik to deal with how grindy it is, and you can't even get that many tickets from each event. I'm sure as hell not buying tickets from the store at freaking 250 crowns A PIECE. That's 2500 crowns for one item at the event vendor. It's so absurd I can't help but think they seriously overestimated how many people would actually buy into all this. If it's not even possible for me to acquire the handful of things from an event I might be interested in without shelling out more money for a game I already pay for, then why bother participating at all?

Arato · March 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

eh even if I dont get them often I'm not concerned. It's style pages not motifs so there's really no reason to care about them (like completing motifs improves your chance at getting master writs I hear) unless you're actually going to use the skins, and I don't really plan to. So if I get them whatever.

The chance to get master writ drops from completed motifs is minuscule.

In fact, it's so small, I can't tell you what it is. I want to say it's a 2% increase if you have every (non-crown) motif completed. If you want to get the exact number, I'd recommend taking a look at @Inklings's content. He's done some really good writeups on how to optimize your crafting output.

Well it's better than nothing and I already chase after the motifs through doing content anyway.

Enemoriana · March 2019

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

The way the tickets are being handled has pretty much caused me to lose interest in the events beyond the basic things like achievements. I don't care enough about the indrik to deal with how grindy it is, and you can't even get that many tickets from each event. I'm sure as hell not buying tickets from the store at freaking 250 crowns A PIECE. That's 2500 crowns for one item at the event vendor. It's so absurd I can't help but think they seriously overestimated how many people would actually buy into all this. If it's not even possible for me to acquire the handful of things from an event I might be interested in without shelling out more money for a game I already pay for, then why bother participating at all?

Tickets are not supposed to be bought with crowns! That's why price is so high. That's a way to get few you missed, not way to get items when you don't have tickets at all.
You don't have tickets for all berries? You miss it and look for another morph. You have 3 berries and 9 tickets in the end of this event? You buy one ticket and happily get this morph.

Indrik isn't "grindy". It takes some time, yes, but is very easy. For basic indrik you need less than two full events. And morphs are reward for participating during long time.

darthgummibear_ESO · March 2019

Enemoriana wrote: »

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

The way the tickets are being handled has pretty much caused me to lose interest in the events beyond the basic things like achievements. I don't care enough about the indrik to deal with how grindy it is, and you can't even get that many tickets from each event. I'm sure as hell not buying tickets from the store at freaking 250 crowns A PIECE. That's 2500 crowns for one item at the event vendor. It's so absurd I can't help but think they seriously overestimated how many people would actually buy into all this. If it's not even possible for me to acquire the handful of things from an event I might be interested in without shelling out more money for a game I already pay for, then why bother participating at all?

Tickets are not supposed to be bought with crowns! That's why price is so high. That's a way to get few you missed, not way to get items when you don't have tickets at all.
You don't have tickets for all berries? You miss it and look for another morph. You have 3 berries and 9 tickets in the end of this event? You buy one ticket and happily get this morph.

Indrik isn't "grindy". It takes some time, yes, but is very easy. For basic indrik you need less than two full events. And morphs are reward for participating during long time.

This is an exceptionally naive and apologetic way of looking at it.

Kiralyn2000 · March 2019

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

The way the tickets are being handled has pretty much caused me to lose interest in the events beyond the basic things like achievements. I don't care enough about the indrik to deal with how grindy it is, and you can't even get that many tickets from each event. I'm sure as hell not buying tickets from the store at freaking 250 crowns A PIECE. That's 2500 crowns for one item at the event vendor. It's so absurd I can't help but think they seriously overestimated how many people would actually buy into all this. If it's not even possible for me to acquire the handful of things from an event I might be interested in without shelling out more money for a game I already pay for, then why bother participating at all?

Tickets are not supposed to be bought with crowns! That's why price is so high. That's a way to get few you missed, not way to get items when you don't have tickets at all.
You don't have tickets for all berries? You miss it and look for another morph. You have 3 berries and 9 tickets in the end of this event? You buy one ticket and happily get this morph.

Indrik isn't "grindy". It takes some time, yes, but is very easy. For basic indrik you need less than two full events. And morphs are reward for participating during long time.

This is an exceptionally naive and apologetic way of looking at it.

Or it's just people who've done things that were real "grind" who're tired of modern gamers calling anything that you have to do more than a few times a grind. /meh

Personally, I've gotten like 75% of the tickets (I've skipped pvp and dungeon events), without really paying attention to it. I just did the events for the sake of the events, and tickets happened. This event there's finally something for me to spend them on, since I wasn't interested in the mount.

(so do the motifs only drop from the special boxes? No wonder I haven't gotten any - I've only been doing the quickest daily - auridon - on a bunch of alts each day.)

Enemoriana · March 2019

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

(so do the motifs only drop from the special boxes? No wonder I haven't gotten any - I've only been doing the quickest daily - auridon - on a bunch of alts each day.)

Yes, all new things comes from special boxes from first quest of each jester. So can be 3 such boxes each day.
(Isn't pig quest faster?)

Michae · March 2019

Yeah, although I don't like the fact that there's suddenly a lot of things to buy with tickets and hardly enough of them for it all and that the rng sucks for Cadwell's style pages I can see the reason of the ticket price. It's the same with store bought motifs, their price is high but you CAN get them for free in game. If they were cheap then everybody who grinded for them would feel cheated. Remember that status expressed through one's bling is the essence of the mmo's.

As for grind, the indriks are hardly requiring any grind to get. You have to log on daily and do one or two simple quests that are impossible to fail. Compare that do doing some vet dungeon where you go through it for hours and hours just to get the gear you want, or to farming Tel Vars in Imperial City with a risk of getting ganked and losing half your progress. There are countless ways this game can feel grindy, but getting Indriks isn't one of them.

zyk · March 2019

I'm usually pretty cynical of ZOS and I think players tend to be because they've made a lot of bad decisions in the past, but I don't see malice in this case.

I think the reason the ticket limit exists is so that items purchased with them remain somewhat exclusive and therefore have more value.

When you look at the first items introduced with events, most quickly lost their value because of high availability and therefore were meaningless to obtain. I think the changes they've made to events including the ticket system is meant to resolve that.

The same is true for tickets purchased in the Crown store. If they were inexpensively priced, they would reduce the value of having the rewards. Keep in mind there are players who are of the opinion these shouldn't even be available to purchase with Crowns.

I think adding other items to purchase with tickets gives players the option to expend surplus tickets for some tangible benefit and not to drive Crown ticket sales.

jmgrant44ub17_ESO · March 2019

Limited number of pages dropping means you have to buy them with cash/crowns. Call this a swipe event.

zyk · March 2019

jmgrant44ub17_ESO wrote: »

Limited number of pages dropping means you have to buy them with cash/crowns. Call this a swipe event.

You can buy them from other players with gold inexpensively.

tmbrinks · March 2019

they're literally selling for under 10k on PC/NA... not going to be an issue with getting "all" of them.

Michae · March 2019

tmbrinks wrote: »

they're literally selling for under 10k on PC/NA... not going to be an issue with getting "all" of them.

Yeah, I bought three of them for less than 30k yesterday on PC/EU without a problem. You can find them even cheaper if you look.