p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Nightingale707 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Not as bad as IA on healers 🤢😷🤕

Why on earth would you not put a group support set on a support character?

I would not describer healers as "support". They have a primary role - which is to heal.

Sadly this game doesn't have a support role. All it has is tank, damage-dealer, and healer.

Maybe for normal base-game dungeons, but in any content beyond that, a healer's job is to heal, buff/debuff, provide resources, kite dmg mechanics, and occasionally serve as an off-off-tank. If you're only healing, you're only doing part of your job and getting carried through content.

Nope. I don't care what content it is - their job is to heal. That is why they are called healers. Anything after that is purely their discretion. It sounds more like to me you are the one wanting healers to carry you through content. Because it is not the healer's job to fix what ever sustain issues you or others may have.

Gnozo wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Of course, if you read my entire post, you would have seen that my Orc build is incomplete. I was just simply stating that being an Orc healer is just as viable as being a Breton healer.

And thats where you are wrong.

Sure its unique and if you like it and got a guild/group who invites you is ofc fine. But no serious progression Guild will take you to an score run cause you just limit yourself on what you could do.

You dont need tristat to reach the needed health Pool. Just put 1 health glyph on your chest piece and you should be fine, with full Undaunted ofc.

How is orc helping? Nothing that other races can do better. 1k health can also come from argonian wich in addition comes with potion sustain and max magicka and more healing.

If you want to be unique and a Special snowflake go for it. But dont say this nonesense.

I wonder what percentage of players actually do score runs.

I'd be surprised if it was even 1%.

Jeremy wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Of course, if you read my entire post, you would have seen that my Orc build is incomplete. I was just simply stating that being an Orc healer is just as viable as being a Breton healer.

And thats where you are wrong.

Sure its unique and if you like it and got a guild/group who invites you is ofc fine. But no serious progression Guild will take you to an score run cause you just limit yourself on what you could do.

You dont need tristat to reach the needed health Pool. Just put 1 health glyph on your chest piece and you should be fine, with full Undaunted ofc.

How is orc helping? Nothing that other races can do better. 1k health can also come from argonian wich in addition comes with potion sustain and max magicka and more healing.

If you want to be unique and a Special snowflake go for it. But dont say this nonesense.

I wonder what percentage of players actually do score runs.

I'd be surprised if it was even 1%.

Based on how competitive and full our leader boards are, a lot actually. You can actually view this yourself.

Jeremy wrote: »

I main a healer as well, and have healed trials and every veteran DLC (with exception of the new ones since I haven't purchased them). And all my groups were perfectly capable of completing them without me feeding them resources.

Were those vet trials, or normal Craglorns? For the record, every decent DD is perfectly capable of self sustaining their own health and resources in 4 person content, including DLC dungeons. If they're using a healer, I imagine these aren't teams of end-game players. If they were actually end game players and all you did was spam healing springs, you were getting carried. I say that with all certainty because I was that healer not so long ago. It was pretty jarring and humbling to find that out and to finally learn what I was actually supposed to be doing in 12 person content.

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Of course, if you read my entire post, you would have seen that my Orc build is incomplete. I was just simply stating that being an Orc healer is just as viable as being a Breton healer.

And thats where you are wrong.

Sure its unique and if you like it and got a guild/group who invites you is ofc fine. But no serious progression Guild will take you to an score run cause you just limit yourself on what you could do.

You dont need tristat to reach the needed health Pool. Just put 1 health glyph on your chest piece and you should be fine, with full Undaunted ofc.

How is orc helping? Nothing that other races can do better. 1k health can also come from argonian wich in addition comes with potion sustain and max magicka and more healing.

If you want to be unique and a Special snowflake go for it. But dont say this nonesense.

I wonder what percentage of players actually do score runs.

I'd be surprised if it was even 1%.

Based on how competitive and full our leader boards are, a lot actually. You can actually view this yourself.

Jeremy wrote: »

I main a healer as well, and have healed trials and every veteran DLC (with exception of the new ones since I haven't purchased them). And all my groups were perfectly capable of completing them without me feeding them resources.

Were those vet trials, or normal Craglorns? For the record, every decent DD is perfectly capable of self sustaining their own health and resources in 4 person content, including DLC dungeons. If they're using a healer, I imagine these aren't teams of end-game players. If they were actually end game players and all you did was spam healing springs, you were getting carried. I say that with all certainty because I was that healer not so long ago. It was pretty jarring and humbling to find that out and to finally learn what I was actually supposed to be doing in 12 person content.

I don't even use healing springs. So I don't even know what you are talking about. And considering I can probably solo Selen's Web suggesting that I was being carried because I did not give this damage-dealer orbs is absurd.

And I have healed many trials (not just Craglorn ones) and in none of them did I have to spend my time feeding my teammates resources. In any case: I seriously doubt the OP is talking about doing Vet Trials anyway so it's irrelevant. Not every discussion on this forum has to center around 12 man Veteran Trials, which makes up a very small fraction of the content on this game which probably the vast majority of people on this game don't even bother with.

As far as score runs - in all my time on ESO (and I've been playing since beta) I have never joined a single group that ever cared about the "leaderboards". Not even once.

So I suspect it is an extremely tiny minority and isn't something the OP needs concern himself with.

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Nightingale707 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Not as bad as IA on healers 🤢😷🤕

Why on earth would you not put a group support set on a support character?

I would not describer healers as "support". They have a primary role - which is to heal.

Sadly this game doesn't have a support role. All it has is tank, damage-dealer, and healer.

Maybe for normal base-game dungeons, but in any content beyond that, a healer's job is to heal, buff/debuff, provide resources, kite dmg mechanics, and occasionally serve as an off-off-tank. If you're only healing, you're only doing part of your job and getting carried through content.

Nope. I don't care what content it is - their job is to heal. That is why they are called healers. Anything after that is purely their discretion. It sounds more like to me you are the one wanting healers to carry you through content. Because it is not the healer's job to fix what ever sustain issues you or others may have.

This is about to get good. I don't agree with you btw.

It will be hard. But I will try to get over my disappointment that you don't agree with me.

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Of course, if you read my entire post, you would have seen that my Orc build is incomplete. I was just simply stating that being an Orc healer is just as viable as being a Breton healer.

And thats where you are wrong.

Sure its unique and if you like it and got a guild/group who invites you is ofc fine. But no serious progression Guild will take you to an score run cause you just limit yourself on what you could do.

You dont need tristat to reach the needed health Pool. Just put 1 health glyph on your chest piece and you should be fine, with full Undaunted ofc.

How is orc helping? Nothing that other races can do better. 1k health can also come from argonian wich in addition comes with potion sustain and max magicka and more healing.

If you want to be unique and a Special snowflake go for it. But dont say this nonesense.

I wonder what percentage of players actually do score runs.

I'd be surprised if it was even 1%.

Based on how competitive and full our leader boards are, a lot actually. You can actually view this yourself.

Jeremy wrote: »

I main a healer as well, and have healed trials and every veteran DLC (with exception of the new ones since I haven't purchased them). And all my groups were perfectly capable of completing them without me feeding them resources.

Were those vet trials, or normal Craglorns? For the record, every decent DD is perfectly capable of self sustaining their own health and resources in 4 person content, including DLC dungeons. If they're using a healer, I imagine these aren't teams of end-game players. If they were actually end game players and all you did was spam healing springs, you were getting carried. I say that with all certainty because I was that healer not so long ago. It was pretty jarring and humbling to find that out and to finally learn what I was actually supposed to be doing in 12 person content.

I don't even use healing springs. So I don't even know what you are talking about. And considering I can probably solo Selen's Web suggesting that I was being carried because I did not give this damage-dealer orbs is absurd.

And I have healed many trials (not just Craglorn ones) and in none of them did I have to spend my time feeding my teammates resources. In any case: I seriously doubt the OP is talking about doing Vet Trials anyway so it's irrelevant. Not every discussion on this forum has to center around 12 man Veteran Trials, which makes up a very small fraction of the content on this game which probably the vast majority of people on this game don't even bother with.

As far as score runs - in all my time on ESO (and I've been playing since beta) I have never joined a single group that ever cared about the "leaderboards". Not even once.

So I suspect it is an extremely tiny minority and isn't something the OP needs concern himself with.

You don't use Healing Springs? Oh you definitely are getting carried honey. I thought okay you run a sorcerer and orc race but I had no idea you don't even use Healing Springs. I am shocked and appalled sir lol.
I am so sorry but I cannot take anything you say seriously now. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

I would prefer you not call me honey. It's disturbing.

Accusing someone of being carried in a dungeon they can solo is laughable on its face.

And if you are shocked and appalled just become some does something differently than you - then perhaps you shock and appall to easily.

As far as you not taking me seriously, that equally dismays me as much as you not agreeing with me earlier. What's truly laughable here is you think every healer in the game has to use healing springs...

Stratloc wrote: »

@Jeremy what is it exactly you have against supporting your group other than with heals? Why is it bad?

I don't. In fact I specifically said I had no problem with it. Go read my earlier comments where I make that clear. Actually I"ll quote it for you to save you the trouble.

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Nightingale707 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Not as bad as IA on healers 🤢😷🤕

Why on earth would you not put a group support set on a support character?

I would not describer healers as "support". They have a primary role - which is to heal.

Sadly this game doesn't have a support role. All it has is tank, damage-dealer, and healer.

Maybe for normal base-game dungeons, but in any content beyond that, a healer's job is to heal, buff/debuff, provide resources, kite dmg mechanics, and occasionally serve as an off-off-tank. If you're only healing, you're only doing part of your job and getting carried through content.

Nope. I don't care what content it is - their job is to heal. That is why they are called healers. Anything after that is purely their discretion. It sounds more like to me you are the one wanting healers to carry you through content. Because it is not the healer's job to fix what ever sustain issues you or others may have.

I main a healer. I have healed in all content in this game except vHoF, so I'm pretty sure I have a good frame of reference. My dps characters are just a side hustle so I have something more to bring to the group, which is what makes someone a good teammate. Ahem...

I main a healer as well, and have healed trials and every veteran DLC (with exception of the new ones since I haven't purchased them). And all my groups were perfectly capable of completing them without me feeding them resources.

What makes a good healer is keeping your teammates alive. This ridiculous dependence on orbs need to stop now. I had some cry baby whining for orbs in Selen's Web the other day... so it's getting ridiculous like I said. It's not my job to carry other damage dealers because they want to neglect their sustain so they can puff up their numbers on some silly number chart.

Now if you want to do it as your healer, that's fine and more power to you. I have no problem with healers who choose to play that way. Just don't expect that every other healer has to as well, nor suggest it is their job to do so. Because it isn't.

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Of course, if you read my entire post, you would have seen that my Orc build is incomplete. I was just simply stating that being an Orc healer is just as viable as being a Breton healer.

And thats where you are wrong.

Sure its unique and if you like it and got a guild/group who invites you is ofc fine. But no serious progression Guild will take you to an score run cause you just limit yourself on what you could do.

You dont need tristat to reach the needed health Pool. Just put 1 health glyph on your chest piece and you should be fine, with full Undaunted ofc.

How is orc helping? Nothing that other races can do better. 1k health can also come from argonian wich in addition comes with potion sustain and max magicka and more healing.

If you want to be unique and a Special snowflake go for it. But dont say this nonesense.

I wonder what percentage of players actually do score runs.

I'd be surprised if it was even 1%.

Based on how competitive and full our leader boards are, a lot actually. You can actually view this yourself.

Jeremy wrote: »

I main a healer as well, and have healed trials and every veteran DLC (with exception of the new ones since I haven't purchased them). And all my groups were perfectly capable of completing them without me feeding them resources.

Were those vet trials, or normal Craglorns? For the record, every decent DD is perfectly capable of self sustaining their own health and resources in 4 person content, including DLC dungeons. If they're using a healer, I imagine these aren't teams of end-game players. If they were actually end game players and all you did was spam healing springs, you were getting carried. I say that with all certainty because I was that healer not so long ago. It was pretty jarring and humbling to find that out and to finally learn what I was actually supposed to be doing in 12 person content.

I don't even use healing springs. So I don't even know what you are talking about. And considering I can probably solo Selen's Web suggesting that I was being carried because I did not give this damage-dealer orbs is absurd.

And I have healed many trials (not just Craglorn ones) and in none of them did I have to spend my time feeding my teammates resources. In any case: I seriously doubt the OP is talking about doing Vet Trials anyway so it's irrelevant. Not every discussion on this forum has to center around 12 man Veteran Trials, which makes up a very small fraction of the content on this game which probably the vast majority of people on this game don't even bother with.

As far as score runs - in all my time on ESO (and I've been playing since beta) I have never joined a single group that ever cared about the "leaderboards". Not even once.

So I suspect it is an extremely tiny minority and isn't something the OP needs concern himself with.

I think you just gave us all of your needed credentials right there. You keep doing you and enjoy your game your way Bub


Please don't give bad advice based on your limited understanding of class mechanics though. You're not helping, even a little bit. Some poor new healer is going to come across this misinformation, take it to heart, and become a terrible healer. Then when they decide they want to join more advanced groups for more advanced content, no one will let them because they are only doing half of their job. I just hope that person has the maturity and flexibility to adapt when that happens and doesn't find themselves left out because they once got bad advice.

No the people who aren't helping is you - who are giving poor advice telling everyone on here they must play a certain way else they suck. So you are the one spreading misinformation bub not me. And I'm proof of it - because I don't heal the way you say other healers have to yet I have no problem healing any of the content I sign up for. So perhaps you just need to accept the reality not everyone has to play the same exact way you play bub.

And considering you expect that all healers must play the same exact way you think they should - you lecturing me on flexibility and maturity is quite ironic. This is a classic case of someone needing to take their own advice.

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Of course, if you read my entire post, you would have seen that my Orc build is incomplete. I was just simply stating that being an Orc healer is just as viable as being a Breton healer.

And thats where you are wrong.

Sure its unique and if you like it and got a guild/group who invites you is ofc fine. But no serious progression Guild will take you to an score run cause you just limit yourself on what you could do.

You dont need tristat to reach the needed health Pool. Just put 1 health glyph on your chest piece and you should be fine, with full Undaunted ofc.

How is orc helping? Nothing that other races can do better. 1k health can also come from argonian wich in addition comes with potion sustain and max magicka and more healing.

If you want to be unique and a Special snowflake go for it. But dont say this nonesense.

I wonder what percentage of players actually do score runs.

I'd be surprised if it was even 1%.

Based on how competitive and full our leader boards are, a lot actually. You can actually view this yourself.

Jeremy wrote: »

I main a healer as well, and have healed trials and every veteran DLC (with exception of the new ones since I haven't purchased them). And all my groups were perfectly capable of completing them without me feeding them resources.

Were those vet trials, or normal Craglorns? For the record, every decent DD is perfectly capable of self sustaining their own health and resources in 4 person content, including DLC dungeons. If they're using a healer, I imagine these aren't teams of end-game players. If they were actually end game players and all you did was spam healing springs, you were getting carried. I say that with all certainty because I was that healer not so long ago. It was pretty jarring and humbling to find that out and to finally learn what I was actually supposed to be doing in 12 person content.

I don't even use healing springs. So I don't even know what you are talking about. And considering I can probably solo Selen's Web suggesting that I was being carried because I did not give this damage-dealer orbs is absurd.

And I have healed many trials (not just Craglorn ones) and in none of them did I have to spend my time feeding my teammates resources. In any case: I seriously doubt the OP is talking about doing Vet Trials anyway so it's irrelevant. Not every discussion on this forum has to center around 12 man Veteran Trials, which makes up a very small fraction of the content on this game which probably the vast majority of people on this game don't even bother with.

As far as score runs - in all my time on ESO (and I've been playing since beta) I have never joined a single group that ever cared about the "leaderboards". Not even once.

So I suspect it is an extremely tiny minority and isn't something the OP needs concern himself with.

I think you just gave us all of your needed credentials right there. You keep doing you and enjoy your game your way Bub


Please don't give bad advice based on your limited understanding of class mechanics though. You're not helping, even a little bit. Some poor new healer is going to come across this misinformation, take it to heart, and become a terrible healer. Then when they decide they want to join more advanced groups for more advanced content, no one will let them because they are only doing half of their job. I just hope that person has the maturity and flexibility to adapt when that happens and doesn't find themselves left out because they once got bad advice.

No the people who aren't helping is you - who are giving poor advice telling everyone on here they must play a certain way else they suck. So you are the one spreading misinformation bub not me. And I'm proof of it - because I don't heal the way you say other healers have to yet I have no problem healing any of the content I sign up for. So perhaps you just need to accept the reality not everyone has to play the same exact way you play bub.

And considering you expect that all healers must play the same exact way - you lecturing me flexibility and maturity is quite ironic. This is a classic case of someone need to take their own advice.

Okey dokey

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Of course, if you read my entire post, you would have seen that my Orc build is incomplete. I was just simply stating that being an Orc healer is just as viable as being a Breton healer.

And thats where you are wrong.

Sure its unique and if you like it and got a guild/group who invites you is ofc fine. But no serious progression Guild will take you to an score run cause you just limit yourself on what you could do.

You dont need tristat to reach the needed health Pool. Just put 1 health glyph on your chest piece and you should be fine, with full Undaunted ofc.

How is orc helping? Nothing that other races can do better. 1k health can also come from argonian wich in addition comes with potion sustain and max magicka and more healing.

If you want to be unique and a Special snowflake go for it. But dont say this nonesense.

I wonder what percentage of players actually do score runs.

I'd be surprised if it was even 1%.

Based on how competitive and full our leader boards are, a lot actually. You can actually view this yourself.

Jeremy wrote: »

I main a healer as well, and have healed trials and every veteran DLC (with exception of the new ones since I haven't purchased them). And all my groups were perfectly capable of completing them without me feeding them resources.

Were those vet trials, or normal Craglorns? For the record, every decent DD is perfectly capable of self sustaining their own health and resources in 4 person content, including DLC dungeons. If they're using a healer, I imagine these aren't teams of end-game players. If they were actually end game players and all you did was spam healing springs, you were getting carried. I say that with all certainty because I was that healer not so long ago. It was pretty jarring and humbling to find that out and to finally learn what I was actually supposed to be doing in 12 person content.

I don't even use healing springs. So I don't even know what you are talking about. And considering I can probably solo Selen's Web suggesting that I was being carried because I did not give this damage-dealer orbs is absurd.

And I have healed many trials (not just Craglorn ones) and in none of them did I have to spend my time feeding my teammates resources. In any case: I seriously doubt the OP is talking about doing Vet Trials anyway so it's irrelevant. Not every discussion on this forum has to center around 12 man Veteran Trials, which makes up a very small fraction of the content on this game which probably the vast majority of people on this game don't even bother with.

As far as score runs - in all my time on ESO (and I've been playing since beta) I have never joined a single group that ever cared about the "leaderboards". Not even once.

So I suspect it is an extremely tiny minority and isn't something the OP needs concern himself with.

I think you just gave us all of your needed credentials right there. You keep doing you and enjoy your game your way Bub


Please don't give bad advice based on your limited understanding of class mechanics though. You're not helping, even a little bit. Some poor new healer is going to come across this misinformation, take it to heart, and become a terrible healer. Then when they decide they want to join more advanced groups for more advanced content, no one will let them because they are only doing half of their job. I just hope that person has the maturity and flexibility to adapt when that happens and doesn't find themselves left out because they once got bad advice.

No the people who aren't helping is you - who are giving poor advice telling everyone on here they must play a certain way else they suck. So you are the one spreading misinformation bub not me. And I'm proof of it - because I don't heal the way you say other healers have to yet I have no problem healing any of the content I sign up for. So perhaps you just need to accept the reality not everyone has to play the same exact way you play bub.

And considering you expect that all healers must play the same exact way - you lecturing me flexibility and maturity is quite ironic. This is a classic case of someone need to take their own advice.

Okey dokey

He wasn't talking about you having maturity and flexibility, he was talking about the players receiving your advice and realizing later on they won't be able to do score runs if they had that goal in mind because they've been gimped and they didn't know it.

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Of course, if you read my entire post, you would have seen that my Orc build is incomplete. I was just simply stating that being an Orc healer is just as viable as being a Breton healer.

And thats where you are wrong.

Sure its unique and if you like it and got a guild/group who invites you is ofc fine. But no serious progression Guild will take you to an score run cause you just limit yourself on what you could do.

You dont need tristat to reach the needed health Pool. Just put 1 health glyph on your chest piece and you should be fine, with full Undaunted ofc.

How is orc helping? Nothing that other races can do better. 1k health can also come from argonian wich in addition comes with potion sustain and max magicka and more healing.

If you want to be unique and a Special snowflake go for it. But dont say this nonesense.

I wonder what percentage of players actually do score runs.

I'd be surprised if it was even 1%.

Based on how competitive and full our leader boards are, a lot actually. You can actually view this yourself.

Jeremy wrote: »

I main a healer as well, and have healed trials and every veteran DLC (with exception of the new ones since I haven't purchased them). And all my groups were perfectly capable of completing them without me feeding them resources.

Were those vet trials, or normal Craglorns? For the record, every decent DD is perfectly capable of self sustaining their own health and resources in 4 person content, including DLC dungeons. If they're using a healer, I imagine these aren't teams of end-game players. If they were actually end game players and all you did was spam healing springs, you were getting carried. I say that with all certainty because I was that healer not so long ago. It was pretty jarring and humbling to find that out and to finally learn what I was actually supposed to be doing in 12 person content.

I don't even use healing springs. So I don't even know what you are talking about. And considering I can probably solo Selen's Web suggesting that I was being carried because I did not give this damage-dealer orbs is absurd.

And I have healed many trials (not just Craglorn ones) and in none of them did I have to spend my time feeding my teammates resources. In any case: I seriously doubt the OP is talking about doing Vet Trials anyway so it's irrelevant. Not every discussion on this forum has to center around 12 man Veteran Trials, which makes up a very small fraction of the content on this game which probably the vast majority of people on this game don't even bother with.

As far as score runs - in all my time on ESO (and I've been playing since beta) I have never joined a single group that ever cared about the "leaderboards". Not even once.

So I suspect it is an extremely tiny minority and isn't something the OP needs concern himself with.

I think you just gave us all of your needed credentials right there. You keep doing you and enjoy your game your way Bub


Please don't give bad advice based on your limited understanding of class mechanics though. You're not helping, even a little bit. Some poor new healer is going to come across this misinformation, take it to heart, and become a terrible healer. Then when they decide they want to join more advanced groups for more advanced content, no one will let them because they are only doing half of their job. I just hope that person has the maturity and flexibility to adapt when that happens and doesn't find themselves left out because they once got bad advice.

No the people who aren't helping is you - who are giving poor advice telling everyone on here they must play a certain way else they suck. So you are the one spreading misinformation bub not me. And I'm proof of it - because I don't heal the way you say other healers have to yet I have no problem healing any of the content I sign up for. So perhaps you just need to accept the reality not everyone has to play the same exact way you play bub.

And considering you expect that all healers must play the same exact way - you lecturing me flexibility and maturity is quite ironic. This is a classic case of someone need to take their own advice.

Okey dokey

He wasn't talking about you having maturity and flexibility, he was talking about the players receiving your advice and realizing later on they won't be able to do score runs if they had that goal in mind because they've been gimped and they didn't know it.

Show me where the OP said he was interested in doing "score runs"?

And sorry, but everyone who does not compete on the leaderboards is "gimp" anyway". That's the most silly thing you've posted yet, and that's an impressive accomplishment considering the silliness you've posted up to now.

Do you know what's way more important than your leader boards? Having fun. And part of having fun on an MMORPG is developing your own unique style of play. That's not being a "special snowflake". That's called creating your own character which is at the heart of what makes MMORPGs interesting. So spare us your elite conformity. The vast majority of us simply don't care about it.

p00tx wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Of course, if you read my entire post, you would have seen that my Orc build is incomplete. I was just simply stating that being an Orc healer is just as viable as being a Breton healer.

And thats where you are wrong.

Sure its unique and if you like it and got a guild/group who invites you is ofc fine. But no serious progression Guild will take you to an score run cause you just limit yourself on what you could do.

You dont need tristat to reach the needed health Pool. Just put 1 health glyph on your chest piece and you should be fine, with full Undaunted ofc.

How is orc helping? Nothing that other races can do better. 1k health can also come from argonian wich in addition comes with potion sustain and max magicka and more healing.

If you want to be unique and a Special snowflake go for it. But dont say this nonesense.

I wonder what percentage of players actually do score runs.

I'd be surprised if it was even 1%.

Based on how competitive and full our leader boards are, a lot actually. You can actually view this yourself.

Jeremy wrote: »

I main a healer as well, and have healed trials and every veteran DLC (with exception of the new ones since I haven't purchased them). And all my groups were perfectly capable of completing them without me feeding them resources.

Were those vet trials, or normal Craglorns? For the record, every decent DD is perfectly capable of self sustaining their own health and resources in 4 person content, including DLC dungeons. If they're using a healer, I imagine these aren't teams of end-game players. If they were actually end game players and all you did was spam healing springs, you were getting carried. I say that with all certainty because I was that healer not so long ago. It was pretty jarring and humbling to find that out and to finally learn what I was actually supposed to be doing in 12 person content.

I don't even use healing springs. So I don't even know what you are talking about. And considering I can probably solo Selen's Web suggesting that I was being carried because I did not give this damage-dealer orbs is absurd.

And I have healed many trials (not just Craglorn ones) and in none of them did I have to spend my time feeding my teammates resources. In any case: I seriously doubt the OP is talking about doing Vet Trials anyway so it's irrelevant. Not every discussion on this forum has to center around 12 man Veteran Trials, which makes up a very small fraction of the content on this game which probably the vast majority of people on this game don't even bother with.

As far as score runs - in all my time on ESO (and I've been playing since beta) I have never joined a single group that ever cared about the "leaderboards". Not even once.

So I suspect it is an extremely tiny minority and isn't something the OP needs concern himself with.

I think you just gave us all of your needed credentials right there. You keep doing you and enjoy your game your way Bub


Please don't give bad advice based on your limited understanding of class mechanics though. You're not helping, even a little bit. Some poor new healer is going to come across this misinformation, take it to heart, and become a terrible healer. Then when they decide they want to join more advanced groups for more advanced content, no one will let them because they are only doing half of their job. I just hope that person has the maturity and flexibility to adapt when that happens and doesn't find themselves left out because they once got bad advice.

No the people who aren't helping is you - who are giving poor advice telling everyone on here they must play a certain way else they suck. So you are the one spreading misinformation bub not me. And I'm proof of it - because I don't heal the way you say other healers have to yet I have no problem healing any of the content I sign up for. So perhaps you just need to accept the reality not everyone has to play the same exact way you play bub.

And considering you expect that all healers must play the same exact way - you lecturing me flexibility and maturity is quite ironic. This is a classic case of someone need to take their own advice.

Okey dokey

He wasn't talking about you having maturity and flexibility, he was talking about the players receiving your advice and realizing later on they won't be able to do score runs if they had that goal in mind because they've been gimped and they didn't know it.

I think our posts got all mixed up, unless our friend blocked me, which is entirely possible at this point, and I probably wouldn't blame him under the circumstances. I'm a woman as well, so I wasn't judging your use of "honey", although I probably shouldn't have called him "Bub". I am seriously glad there is no chance of getting paired up with this guy while healing in a trial though. Talk about a one-legged race...

Lmfao yea I was supposed to be saying that to him.
You know what's funny? I swear if all of us were men I'm fairly certain this will go on for like another 15 pages. But I'm a married woman who's been married for years and it sounds like you're fairly reasonable so we're both just kind of like okay dude good luck.

Stratloc wrote: »

@Jeremy what is it exactly you have against supporting your group other than with heals? Why is it bad?

Orbs are a heal.

Jeremy wrote: »

Stratloc wrote: »

@Jeremy what is it exactly you have against supporting your group other than with heals? Why is it bad?

I don't. In fact I specifically said I had no problem with it. Go read my earlier comments where I make that clear. Actually I"ll quote it for you to save you the trouble.

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Nightingale707 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Not as bad as IA on healers 🤢😷🤕

Why on earth would you not put a group support set on a support character?

I would not describer healers as "support". They have a primary role - which is to heal.

Sadly this game doesn't have a support role. All it has is tank, damage-dealer, and healer.

Maybe for normal base-game dungeons, but in any content beyond that, a healer's job is to heal, buff/debuff, provide resources, kite dmg mechanics, and occasionally serve as an off-off-tank. If you're only healing, you're only doing part of your job and getting carried through content.

Nope. I don't care what content it is - their job is to heal. That is why they are called healers. Anything after that is purely their discretion. It sounds more like to me you are the one wanting healers to carry you through content. Because it is not the healer's job to fix what ever sustain issues you or others may have.

I main a healer. I have healed in all content in this game except vHoF, so I'm pretty sure I have a good frame of reference. My dps characters are just a side hustle so I have something more to bring to the group, which is what makes someone a good teammate. Ahem...

I main a healer as well, and have healed trials and every veteran DLC (with exception of the new ones since I haven't purchased them). And all my groups were perfectly capable of completing them without me feeding them resources.

What makes a good healer is keeping your teammates alive. This ridiculous dependence on orbs need to stop now. I had some cry baby whining for orbs in Selen's Web the other day... so it's getting ridiculous like I said. It's not my job to carry other damage dealers because they want to neglect their sustain so they can puff up their numbers on some silly number chart.

Now if you want to do it as your healer, that's fine and more power to you. I have no problem with healers who choose to play that way. Just don't expect that every other healer has to as well, nor suggest it is their job to do so. Because it isn't.

Alright. You know, I did miss that part. And that's my bad. Somehow the overall impression I was left with pointed to the opposite. Food for thought.

Jeremy wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Of course, if you read my entire post, you would have seen that my Orc build is incomplete. I was just simply stating that being an Orc healer is just as viable as being a Breton healer.

And thats where you are wrong.

Sure its unique and if you like it and got a guild/group who invites you is ofc fine. But no serious progression Guild will take you to an score run cause you just limit yourself on what you could do.

You dont need tristat to reach the needed health Pool. Just put 1 health glyph on your chest piece and you should be fine, with full Undaunted ofc.

How is orc helping? Nothing that other races can do better. 1k health can also come from argonian wich in addition comes with potion sustain and max magicka and more healing.

If you want to be unique and a Special snowflake go for it. But dont say this nonesense.

I wonder what percentage of players actually do score runs.

I'd be surprised if it was even 1%.

Based on how competitive and full our leader boards are, a lot actually. You can actually view this yourself.

Jeremy wrote: »

I main a healer as well, and have healed trials and every veteran DLC (with exception of the new ones since I haven't purchased them). And all my groups were perfectly capable of completing them without me feeding them resources.

Were those vet trials, or normal Craglorns? For the record, every decent DD is perfectly capable of self sustaining their own health and resources in 4 person content, including DLC dungeons. If they're using a healer, I imagine these aren't teams of end-game players. If they were actually end game players and all you did was spam healing springs, you were getting carried. I say that with all certainty because I was that healer not so long ago. It was pretty jarring and humbling to find that out and to finally learn what I was actually supposed to be doing in 12 person content.

I don't even use healing springs. So I don't even know what you are talking about. And considering I can probably solo Selen's Web suggesting that I was being carried because I did not give this damage-dealer orbs is absurd.

And I have healed many trials (not just Craglorn ones) and in none of them did I have to spend my time feeding my teammates resources. In any case: I seriously doubt the OP is talking about doing Vet Trials anyway so it's irrelevant. Not every discussion on this forum has to center around 12 man Veteran Trials, which makes up a very small fraction of the content on this game which probably the vast majority of people on this game don't even bother with.

As far as score runs - in all my time on ESO (and I've been playing since beta) I have never joined a single group that ever cared about the "leaderboards". Not even once.

So I suspect it is an extremely tiny minority and isn't something the OP needs concern himself with.

I think you just gave us all of your needed credentials right there. You keep doing you and enjoy your game your way Bub


Please don't give bad advice based on your limited understanding of class mechanics though. You're not helping, even a little bit. Some poor new healer is going to come across this misinformation, take it to heart, and become a terrible healer. Then when they decide they want to join more advanced groups for more advanced content, no one will let them because they are only doing half of their job. I just hope that person has the maturity and flexibility to adapt when that happens and doesn't find themselves left out because they once got bad advice.

That's exactly what I said on the first page of this post. Normally I would have just kept going and wouldn't care cuz I don't have to run with him. But since he was handing out advice like he built the games I had to say something because I know people who have put a lot of time into characters with bad guidance and then when they get to endgame they don't get invited. So I'm right there with you.
Also, I wasn't calling him honey in a degrading way. It was more of the phrase honey you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm a woman by the way, I wasn't doing it in a misogynistic manner.

It's so silly watching posters like you assume anyone who doesn't agree with them is just automatically ignorant and doesn't get invited to end game or what ever...

If only you knew just how ridiculous what you were posting really was.

To the OP - you have two choices - conform to these silly posters or develop your own play style. Because you have it from me you do not have to play exactly like these people say to be a successful healer. The choice is yours.

This "silly poster" wasn't talking to OP. I actually don't see a problem with rolling an Orc healer if he's not pushing end-game content. If it works, it works and I applaud his or her originality and creativity. My only problem was with you trying to make claims that are untrue. You're right, and no one HAS to use orbs, but you're not going to get very far if you're not actively working to do more than more dps can already do for themselves (healing).

Just out of curiosity, and for the sake of understanding you more, what is your typical skill load out while healing a DLC dungeon?