Breton vs. Orc Healer

ShellaSunshine

I've been playing this game going on 3 years now and I feel like since the new CP cap was raised, the game is starting to feel a little too easy. So, I decided to play something different to give myself a challenge and still have fun.

I know there's a lot of people that play who are dead set on creating builds that are optimized only for end game content and that's great for them. This game was designed and advertised as "play how you want" and to generally have fun.

I have tried various builds and roles over the years and have always enjoyed being a healer over a tank or damage dealer. I've enjoyed playing all roles but being a healer was the most satisfying for me. Considering the new racial passives that recently went live, I decided to switch up my game play. I thought to myself, I do enjoy being a Magicka healer but tri-stat enchantments are expensive especially when you decide to grind for a different set of gear and having to enchant them all over again. I use tri-stat enchantments a lot because Bretons have absolutely no bonuses to health and having 10k total hp before food is painfully low.

This is when I decided to try to play as an Orc healer. They get bonuses to max health AND stamina which to me was tempting as I thought that maybe I won't need to grind or buy the expensive prismatic runes.

All of the healer sets that I have were made for my Breton healer so they all have tri-stat enchantments. I have yet to start working on getting gear for my Orc without the tri-stat enchantments. I just wanted to share how my Orc healer is standing up to my Breton healer.

Images below:

Breton Templar Healer - Stage 1 Vampirism (no food buff)
-5x Sanctuary
-5x Vestments of Olorime



Orc Sorcerer Healer - nonvampire (no food buff)
-5x Worm's Raiment
-5x Spell Power Cure



As you can see, the stats are quite similar even though one race is magicka based and the other is not. Sorcerer passives reduce my magicka ability costs plus using the five piece set, The Worm's Raiment, helps with my sustain. If I do manage to run out of magicka, I can use Dark Conversion as I have more stamina than my Breton. Now, if I replace the tri-stat enchantments to magicka and replace my magicka cost reduction enchants for magicka recovery, my Orc would be just as good as my Breton.

I have managed to complete 2 PUG veteran dungeons that resulted in the No Death and Assassin achievements with my non-meta orc healer. My build isn't finished as I do not want to enchant over my tri-stat enchantments as they costed me quite a bit of gold. I'm hoping to get a fresh set just for my Orc and hope to edit this post for future reference.

This post is for any player who is interested in creating their own builds. With the new racial passives, I feel like Zenimax did make it easier to play any race, any class, and any role. Which, I do believe, was their initial plan for the game. There are so many sets out there that didn't make any sense to me until after the new racial passives went live. Now, I realize, they were there all along to make any build you could possibly imagine. It's just so much easier now.

I would like to thank the developers as they have made it possible for me to be able to play the game how I really want to play and to be who I want to be without crippling myself too much. I'm hoping that one day after I finish my build, I'd like to see how my Orc healer can hold herself together during trial runs. It will definitely be interesting!

Banana

But you look like an orc now

RavenSworn

Been using a nord as my sorc healer since the start, welcome to the club

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Why no food buff? Is really cheap and every build assumes you have it. Also, sanctuary is a garbage set. Hate seeing healers wear it.

mocap

1) ork
2) rest

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ShellaSunshine

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Why no food buff? Is really cheap and every build assumes you have it. Also, sanctuary is a garbage set. Hate seeing healers wear it.

I am only wearing Sanctuary as I do not have a full set of either Healing Mage or Infallible Mage.

No food buff to show what the base stats looked like for the Breton and Orc for comparison.

MartiniDaniels

It all is calculated many times, race gives ~5% of edge, so obviously experienced tank/healer/dps will be always far superior on non-meta race then rather inexperienced player on meta race. So if you are not running score runs with top guilds, race choice is purely within RP and looks.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Why no food buff? Is really cheap and every build assumes you have it. Also, sanctuary is a garbage set. Hate seeing healers wear it.

I am only wearing Sanctuary as I do not have a full set of either Healing Mage or Infallible Mage.

No food buff to show what the base stats looked like for the Breton and Orc for comparison.

That is my point, "base stats" includes food for most people, including myself.

Personally, I would rather see you, if you were healing me, wear julianos then sanctuary.

Nightingale707

If you are gonna talk about dungeon healing I need to be honest with you: your race and class aren´t gonna matter at all. Nothing can drain your resources while healing your dungeons, no damage spikes that really make it necessary to layer your heals well, everything dies in no time.

If you heal trials, you are gonna have another kind of resource drain and you will definitely see the difference between breton and (IMO) any other class, esp a class without any magicka-goodies.
The biggest bonus bretons have atm is the reduced cost for magicka abilities. This makes them far superior and ended in me respeccing my healers that were altmer before to breton. And especially on my sorc healer, that has dreadful sustain, the change is amazing!
Breton will allow you to run blue food in pretty much any situation, giving you insane amounts of health with our without tristat enchants (I use 3 tristat on my big pieces and am now sitting on around 20k health wich is super comfy) and will also give you more max magicka to manage that better...

I am sure you can heal on any race. But for me personally, having tested it in challanging content, Breton is the clear winner for me, I never had such an easy time to sustain my magicka ever.

SoLooney

If you're gonna heal vet trials, you re gonna see quietly quickly how resource draining healing is breton vs orc

You get 2k mag, 100 mag recovery, and 7perc mag reduced cost, that's huge

Orc passives wont help you with healing

Olupajmibanan

Also, why do you put toons with different sets in comparison? You should show orc with sanctuary and olorime to see the difference.

Olupajmibanan

I just use 3x Triune on jewelry and 2x Prismatic on big pieces. That brings my Breton to 18,1k with Clockwork Citrus Fillet which is rather enough.

Tasear

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Why no food buff? Is really cheap and every build assumes you have it. Also, sanctuary is a garbage set. Hate seeing healers wear it.

Not as bad as IA on healers 🤢😷🤕

zaria

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

It all is calculated many times, race gives ~5% of edge, so obviously experienced tank/healer/dps will be always far superior on non-meta race then rather inexperienced player on meta race. So if you are not running score runs with top guilds, race choice is purely within RP and looks.

Yes, the 5% is also for dps parses.
Healing and tanking is far more situational so difference will be less

Tasear

Fun fact just use extra stamina to proc windsprinting and get 10% extra Magicka regain.

Also comparing base passives Sorc simply have better sustain and are more forgiving in build divergents.

Nightingale707

Tasear wrote: »

Not as bad as IA on healers 🤢😷🤕

Why on earth would you not put a group support set on a support character?

Ajaxcat

Question
If you feel the CP cap makes you too strong why not just turn them off? Or even cut them back?

Zedrian

Banana wrote: »

But you look like an orc now

Orc is the new sexy ... so many of them now!!

XxCaLxX

Looks like your Orc Healer ate your Breton Healer....

Svenja

Nightingale707 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Not as bad as IA on healers 🤢😷🤕

Why on earth would you not put a group support set on a support character?

This.
IA gives great support to the group, even though it is a "DD-Set", while for actual DDs there are far better sets.
Sanctuary is simply not needed in almost any raid situation as a lack of healing is simply not an issue in ESO, if the healers know what they are doing.

And I'd really recommend for OP to run trials, I have always played a Breton and the latest change of racials is noticeable even when you played Breton before and it is really, really good in tougher raid fights where you burn A LOT of Magicka. (vHoF first boss for example, you have to use "Purge" a lot and even if you picked the "cheap" morph as you should, the skill is still expensive!)

Ghettokid

mocap wrote: »

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Orc

IzzyStardust

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Why no food buff? Is really cheap and every build assumes you have it. Also, sanctuary is a garbage set. Hate seeing healers wear it.

Sanct is a garbage set in the wrong circumstance. Sanct is frickin great in the right circumstance.

IzzyStardust

Nightingale707 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Not as bad as IA on healers 🤢😷🤕

Why on earth would you not put a group support set on a support character?

Nightingale707 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Not as bad as IA on healers 🤢😷🤕

Why on earth would you not put a group support set on a support character?

IA is awesome actually. Idk why some people think/say what they do.

DLM

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

I have managed to complete 2 PUG veteran dungeons that resulted in the No Death and Assassin achievements with my non-meta orc healer.

Not to be an *** but these achievements are not indicative of anything. If other people stand in stupid or are unaware of one shot mechanics there is nothing that you can do as a healer to prevent a death. And regarding the timed achievements, this is mostly a DPS thing although everyone can at least weigh in.

ShellaSunshine

Svenja wrote: »

Nightingale707 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Not as bad as IA on healers 🤢😷🤕

Why on earth would you not put a group support set on a support character?

This.
IA gives great support to the group, even though it is a "DD-Set", while for actual DDs there are far better sets.
Sanctuary is simply not needed in almost any raid situation as a lack of healing is simply not an issue in ESO, if the healers know what they are doing.

And I'd really recommend for OP to run trials, I have always played a Breton and the latest change of racials is noticeable even when you played Breton before and it is really, really good in tougher raid fights where you burn A LOT of Magicka. (vHoF first boss for example, you have to use "Purge" a lot and even if you picked the "cheap" morph as you should, the skill is still expensive!)

I have completed many normal and veteran trials. I can't tell if you're joking or not but one of the sets my Breton is wearing is from normal Cloudrest.

I have been playing this Breton for the last 3 years since way before the racial passives. I feel like the increase to magicka cost reduction is making everything in the game extremely too easy.

I remember the first Trial guild I was in and was ultimately kicked for not being the current "META" altmer templar healer. Of course, I found another guild who allowed me to run normal and veteran trials with my little Breton.

For the people asking why I put different sets on the 2 different characters is because not all characters are made the same way. There is a reason why there are so many different kinds of sets in the game. One set may benefit a particular race, class, or play style. Wearing The Worm's Raiment plus utilizing the Sorcerer passive for reduced magicka cost makes my sustain with my Orc on par with my Breton. Also, using Spell Power Cure gives my Orc more raw spell damage than my magicka based Breton which I found to be hilarious.

You cannot put the same sets on different classes and expect the same results. Different builds calls for different sets.

Of course, if you read my entire post, you would have seen that my Orc build is incomplete. I was just simply stating that being an Orc healer is just as viable as being a Breton healer. I only had one instance where I ran out of magicka but that was because one of the DDs in my veteran dungeon didn't realize he was standing in fire. The fire was not visible on his screen and it was actually burning him from behind. I drained my resources to prevent his death thus giving me the No Death Achievement. Using Dark Conversion plus a potion brought me back though. It was one minor setback but that also happens on my Breton. There had been few instances where the DDs didn't know they were standing in the enemies AoE attacks because they were barely touching it.

NOTE: I am using recycled gear from my Breton so it doesn't have the correct enchantments on them. I am planning on grinding a fresh set for my Orc because I do not want to enchant over my expensive prismatic enchantments. I have numerous healer and tank sets that I might use for other builds in the future.

I built this Orc because of the new racial passives. Bretons getting an increase from 3 to 7% magicka cost reduction makes healing in veteran dungeons and trials way too easy. I hardly ever go below 50% magicka and when I do it's because of some one not realizing they are standing in red. Running out of resources can happen to any race and any class because of unforeseen circumstances. That's why there are sustain abilities like Channeled Focus and Dark Conversion and of course potions. Sustain is only a problem for new players who haven't yet grasped how to manage it whether they are just uninformed of their class abilities or are not able to craft potions. With time, they always learn how to manage their resources better. If not, I throw them Energy Orbs

Nightingale707

As a healer you should not choose your sets to compliment your character but to assist your group. Same goes for any and all skills you slot. And for me it even influences the class I heal on.

let me ask you: what mundus/food/enchantments do you use on orc/breton? where are you stats after food? Because chances are you need sustain food on an Orc, whilst if you are using sustain food on a breton healer you are simply oversustaining by such a large margin that it isn´t even funny.
Same goes for SD/regen enchantments on jewelry.

And orbs should be your primary source of healing and always floating through the group.

Gnozo

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Of course, if you read my entire post, you would have seen that my Orc build is incomplete. I was just simply stating that being an Orc healer is just as viable as being a Breton healer.

And thats where you are wrong.

Sure its unique and if you like it and got a guild/group who invites you is ofc fine. But no serious progression Guild will take you to an score run cause you just limit yourself on what you could do.

You dont need tristat to reach the needed health Pool. Just put 1 health glyph on your chest piece and you should be fine, with full Undaunted ofc.

How is orc helping? Nothing that other races can do better. 1k health can also come from argonian wich in addition comes with potion sustain and max magicka and more healing.

If you want to be unique and a Special snowflake go for it. But dont say this nonesense.

exeeter702

THICC

TARAFRAKA

OP your stats are painfully low. Will post my healers stats post update 19. All content cleared. You're welcome to run in any thing. I just do not want new players to start down this path without recognizing where it may eventually leave them, to a door of a trial but never in. Possibly. You're already gimping yourself using a sorcerer instead of a Templar or Warden. And then you're further gimping Yourself by adding in the orc race. I run 40k mag minimum, 2k spell damage and recovery before bluffs and near 50% crit. Heal harder and you heal less often.

Jeremy

Nightingale707 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Not as bad as IA on healers 🤢😷🤕

Why on earth would you not put a group support set on a support character?

I would not describer healers as "support". They have a primary role - which is to heal.

Sadly this game doesn't have a support role. All it has is tank, damage-dealer, and healer.

Jeremy

Nightingale707 wrote: »

As a healer you should not choose your sets to compliment your character but to assist your group. Same goes for any and all skills you slot. And for me it even influences the class I heal on.

let me ask you: what mundus/food/enchantments do you use on orc/breton? where are you stats after food? Because chances are you need sustain food on an Orc, whilst if you are using sustain food on a breton healer you are simply oversustaining by such a large margin that it isn´t even funny.
Same goes for SD/regen enchantments on jewelry.

And orbs should be your primary source of healing and always floating through the group.

Nah.

It's perfectly acceptable for healers to choose sets that compliment their character's healing. It's also perfectly acceptable for healers not to use your precious orbs.

The rest of us do not exist for the sole purpose of making damage-dealers deal more damage.