Breton vs. Orc Healer

norrisnick

@Jeremy
I may have missed it admittedly, but I was curious about one thing. When pressed you state that a healer's job is to heal. Ok. Then when asked you stated the heals you use are Rapid Regen/Ritual and BoL. Ok.

As a healer, doing healing things, what pray else do you have slotted? I wouldn't imagine it would be damage (not your role) or CCs or damage mitigation (not your role). So what's left?

DLM

lassitershawn wrote: »

I think my main question to you would be why NOT use orbs? It is a very powerful heal that provides resources to your team. What other skill is so powerful that it merits not slotting orbs? I'm really struggling with understanding your point of view on the topic because orbs isn't even just for helping your group sustain, it is actually a really strong HoT and synergy heal.

Honestly it depends on who are you running with. I can tell from experience that synergy is an unknown thing to the vast majority of PUGs and my orbs most often go to waste. There's still the HOT they provide but I can easily do without it.

Matchimus

A good healer is using Mystic Orbs.

ShellaSunshine

A good healer supports their team and heals the group.

A great healer can add DPS in case they end up having to solo a boss because the DDs and tank do not know when to prevent dying to a one shot mechanic.

I've had to solo many bosses on veteran Fang Lair, Scalecaller Peak, and White Gold Tower as the healer.

Fang Lair: no one running to yellow circle while necromancer throws poison globes OR running behind wall during ghost phase

Scalecaller Peak: no one running to the shield for safety

White Gold Tower: no one running or dodging through electric wall thus dying to it repeatedly

No amount of heals can protect a teammate from a one shot mechanic.

Not even Orbs.

There are tons of healing abilities. If a healer has adequate experience, they can use pretty much anything but the DDs and tank need to learn the dungeon mechanics as well.

Healers can carry people in veteran dungeons, too

RavenSworn

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Wow... just... wow.

This thread has gone WAY off topic.

The whole point of the thread was to show people that since the new racial passives came out, you can literally play any race, class, role that you want WITHOUT gimping yourself if you know how to build them appropriately.

I had put in my original post that I'm fine with people who build their characters to the current META but I would appreciate it if you would keep your elitist comments to yourself.

This game isn't about "cookie cutter" builds and I honestly believe that Zenimax really wanted players to think outside the box and create their own builds. That's how the game was advertised at least.

With all the different sets out there, you can make a stamina race be magicka or vice versa. The only real difference now is that with the new racial passives, it's a whole lot easier to create different builds.

This orc healer is just for fun.

I am not interested nor have I ever been interested in "score runs." I used to be highly competitive in previous PvP games that I've played and even made it to the top 50 players in the world but completely lost interest once I completed my Legendary status.

I never said I was planning on running veteran trials. All I said was I was interested to try out trials with my orc healer which I thought everyone would assume would be normal trials. That was my mistake.

This is still and will always be a video game. Considering that this video game plays so much different than other MMO games, you can literally play any way you want now.

Please do not sit there at your computer and tell someone what abilities or race or role they should succumb to because you don't agree with their opinion.

The biggest problem I see with this game right now is that because of the racial balance issues since launch, people are still following the "head honchos" of the game for their "cookie cutter META" builds.

I feel like Zenimax has done a fantastic job with trying to even out each race so each race has their strengths and weaknesses. The real issue lies with the followers who ignore a ton of sets that if you actually took a few minutes of your life to think about, would realize that it can be used for an amazing and creative build.

There are too many fantastic sets that are being ignored because they have never been META by self proclaimed experts of the game.

If you have a basic understanding of the game's mechanics, you can build any character you want. I just feel like most people are not interested in taking the time to think and create their own builds.

This is why I believe the "cookie cutter" builds are so popular. You already have someone who did the math for you.

Last but not least, This orc build is not finished. It was solely an experiment I've been working on for the last week and I was extremely happy and excited about this build that I wanted to share it with everyone.

If you do not agree with the build, that's your personal opinion. Please do not come here to express negative comments and be rude to people just because you disagree with someone. State your opinion, read their response, but keep it clean.

We are all adults here. Let's act like it.

Thanks, because a lot of the posts in here was getting out of hand. Just because someone has a different view on things doesn't mean they are bad. That's the sheep mentality. But just because most follow a 'leader' mentality doesn't mean they are bad either. It's just two different viewpoints.

Group setups are all unique, they really depend on good group dynamics and role setup. A healer that only heals is still as good as a healer that can support, much like a tank that tanks with a tank that can support. Hell, if tanks and healers can support, dps should be able too. That's the beauty of this game. It's the main theme in all elder scrolls game, to play how you want to play it.

And yes @Jeremy is right about the official roles in this game. Again, it's not about whether he was carried or whatever, the game allows for different setups to be successful. That's why in four man's you can have a tank 3 dps setups, or a heals 3 dps setups, because ultimately, everyone can do abit of everything.

But this game is heavily dependent on dps numbers. Which is a shame because mechanics that just rely on dps numbers, won't have much variety in them. And it shows because you see players actively avoid mechanics to a point where almost every boss becomes a -tank and spank boss.

@T3hasiangod and I'm sorry mate. I looked up to you because your builds were awesome and really good for scoring numbers. But if you aren't able to look beyond numbers and be inclusive for different type of players then I think something is wrong with that mentality. It's disheartening and disappointing.

ShellaSunshine

RavenSworn wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Wow... just... wow.

This thread has gone WAY off topic.

The whole point of the thread was to show people that since the new racial passives came out, you can literally play any race, class, role that you want WITHOUT gimping yourself if you know how to build them appropriately.

I had put in my original post that I'm fine with people who build their characters to the current META but I would appreciate it if you would keep your elitist comments to yourself.

This game isn't about "cookie cutter" builds and I honestly believe that Zenimax really wanted players to think outside the box and create their own builds. That's how the game was advertised at least.

With all the different sets out there, you can make a stamina race be magicka or vice versa. The only real difference now is that with the new racial passives, it's a whole lot easier to create different builds.

This orc healer is just for fun.

I am not interested nor have I ever been interested in "score runs." I used to be highly competitive in previous PvP games that I've played and even made it to the top 50 players in the world but completely lost interest once I completed my Legendary status.

I never said I was planning on running veteran trials. All I said was I was interested to try out trials with my orc healer which I thought everyone would assume would be normal trials. That was my mistake.

This is still and will always be a video game. Considering that this video game plays so much different than other MMO games, you can literally play any way you want now.

Please do not sit there at your computer and tell someone what abilities or race or role they should succumb to because you don't agree with their opinion.

The biggest problem I see with this game right now is that because of the racial balance issues since launch, people are still following the "head honchos" of the game for their "cookie cutter META" builds.

I feel like Zenimax has done a fantastic job with trying to even out each race so each race has their strengths and weaknesses. The real issue lies with the followers who ignore a ton of sets that if you actually took a few minutes of your life to think about, would realize that it can be used for an amazing and creative build.

There are too many fantastic sets that are being ignored because they have never been META by self proclaimed experts of the game.

If you have a basic understanding of the game's mechanics, you can build any character you want. I just feel like most people are not interested in taking the time to think and create their own builds.

This is why I believe the "cookie cutter" builds are so popular. You already have someone who did the math for you.

Last but not least, This orc build is not finished. It was solely an experiment I've been working on for the last week and I was extremely happy and excited about this build that I wanted to share it with everyone.

If you do not agree with the build, that's your personal opinion. Please do not come here to express negative comments and be rude to people just because you disagree with someone. State your opinion, read their response, but keep it clean.

We are all adults here. Let's act like it.

Thanks, because a lot of the posts in here was getting out of hand. Just because someone has a different view on things doesn't mean they are bad. That's the sheep mentality. But just because most follow a 'leader' mentality doesn't mean they are bad either. It's just two different viewpoints.

Group setups are all unique, they really depend on good group dynamics and role setup. A healer that only heals is still as good as a healer that can support, much like a tank that tanks with a tank that can support. Hell, if tanks and healers can support, dps should be able too. That's the beauty of this game. It's the main theme in all elder scrolls game, to play how you want to play it.

And yes @Jeremy is right about the official roles in this game. Again, it's not about whether he was carried or whatever, the game allows for different setups to be successful. That's why in four man's you can have a tank 3 dps setups, or a heals 3 dps setups, because ultimately, everyone can do abit of everything.

But this game is heavily dependent on dps numbers. Which is a shame because mechanics that just rely on dps numbers, won't have much variety in them. And it shows because you see players actively avoid mechanics to a point where almost every boss becomes a -tank and spank boss.

@T3hasiangod and I'm sorry mate. I looked up to you because your builds were awesome and really good for scoring numbers. But if you aren't able to look beyond numbers and be inclusive for different type of players then I think something is wrong with that mentality. It's disheartening and disappointing.

Thank you for your very insightful post! I understand why there are meta builds. For a really long time since the game has launched, the races were not all equally balanced.

If anyone took the time to study all of the different sets that are currently in the game, you can see that Zenimax was trying to encourage different builds that are outside the box.

The only real problem was not every race was balanced properly.

With the new racial passives, they buffed some races that a lot of people avoided because they were just not good at anything. I was really happy with the Nords getting an ultimate regeneration feature and the Bosmer getting a speed bonus that would definitely benefit a werewolf build.

The only racial passive that I disagreed with was what they did with the Dunmer. They took away their extra fire damage. Then during the PTS, they decided to take away their health boost. They don't seem to have the special passive that all the other races have like ultimate regeneration (Nord), extra time on food buff (redguard), and the potion passive (argonian) to name a few.

I've been testing out my orc healer in vet dungeons all week. I am not having an issue at all with sustain and my magicka sits at 37k after the food buff which is what my breton healer's max magicka is at after the food buff. My recovery is slightly lower but so far so good.

The only real issue I'm having is the random people in my PUG veteran dungeons not knowing the mechanics. I always ask everyone in the group:

"Have you done this dungeon before? Let me know if you need me to explain mechanics."

They will either say they know what they're doing or say nothing at all.

Then, of course, someone dies to a one shot mechanic that could have easily been avoided if they blocked or dodged away.

That's when I get the screams in chat that I wasn't doing my job.

I simply tell them,

"I asked if you knew the mechanics. No healer, no matter how good they are, can save you from a one shot mechanic. Only you can if you know how to avoid it."

It was Fungal Grotto II and this guy got hit by the laser... Totally ruined my chance at the Survivor achievement.

I should also mention he only had 10k total health... for a veteran dungeon... YIKES!

That is the most annoying thing I have had to deal with as healer. When the DDs don't understand the mechanics and automatically blames the healer or tank for their death instead of realizing their mistakes. It doesn't happen often but it is frustrating to have to sit here and see them rage in chat over their mistake.

I do not mind explaining the mechanics to any dungeon. I do not care if it is their first running that dungeon in veteran mode.

I just want to make sure everyone knows what to expect so we all can have a good time in the dungeon together.

Also, it makes me sick to read through of the comments and seeing how completely rude people became over my non-meta healer.

If someone has been the playing the game for years and have an understanding of ability rotation, skill lineup, and set synergy, then you can play literally any race, class, and role.

It is most definitely harder to convert a stamina race into a magicka role (and vice versa) but not impossible. If more people were brave, we would see a lot more non-meta builds.

I'm sure there are people out there that have taken non-meta builds into veteran trials. I just wish they would come share their builds here but are probably afraid of being vilified by the community.

If we all worked together, no matter what builds we choose, then we can make this game fun and exciting for everyone instead of the select few elitists.

After all, it is just a video game.

lassitershawn

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

RavenSworn wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Wow... just... wow.

This thread has gone WAY off topic.

The whole point of the thread was to show people that since the new racial passives came out, you can literally play any race, class, role that you want WITHOUT gimping yourself if you know how to build them appropriately.

I had put in my original post that I'm fine with people who build their characters to the current META but I would appreciate it if you would keep your elitist comments to yourself.

This game isn't about "cookie cutter" builds and I honestly believe that Zenimax really wanted players to think outside the box and create their own builds. That's how the game was advertised at least.

With all the different sets out there, you can make a stamina race be magicka or vice versa. The only real difference now is that with the new racial passives, it's a whole lot easier to create different builds.

This orc healer is just for fun.

I am not interested nor have I ever been interested in "score runs." I used to be highly competitive in previous PvP games that I've played and even made it to the top 50 players in the world but completely lost interest once I completed my Legendary status.

I never said I was planning on running veteran trials. All I said was I was interested to try out trials with my orc healer which I thought everyone would assume would be normal trials. That was my mistake.

This is still and will always be a video game. Considering that this video game plays so much different than other MMO games, you can literally play any way you want now.

Please do not sit there at your computer and tell someone what abilities or race or role they should succumb to because you don't agree with their opinion.

The biggest problem I see with this game right now is that because of the racial balance issues since launch, people are still following the "head honchos" of the game for their "cookie cutter META" builds.

I feel like Zenimax has done a fantastic job with trying to even out each race so each race has their strengths and weaknesses. The real issue lies with the followers who ignore a ton of sets that if you actually took a few minutes of your life to think about, would realize that it can be used for an amazing and creative build.

There are too many fantastic sets that are being ignored because they have never been META by self proclaimed experts of the game.

If you have a basic understanding of the game's mechanics, you can build any character you want. I just feel like most people are not interested in taking the time to think and create their own builds.

This is why I believe the "cookie cutter" builds are so popular. You already have someone who did the math for you.

Last but not least, This orc build is not finished. It was solely an experiment I've been working on for the last week and I was extremely happy and excited about this build that I wanted to share it with everyone.

If you do not agree with the build, that's your personal opinion. Please do not come here to express negative comments and be rude to people just because you disagree with someone. State your opinion, read their response, but keep it clean.

We are all adults here. Let's act like it.

Thanks, because a lot of the posts in here was getting out of hand. Just because someone has a different view on things doesn't mean they are bad. That's the sheep mentality. But just because most follow a 'leader' mentality doesn't mean they are bad either. It's just two different viewpoints.

Group setups are all unique, they really depend on good group dynamics and role setup. A healer that only heals is still as good as a healer that can support, much like a tank that tanks with a tank that can support. Hell, if tanks and healers can support, dps should be able too. That's the beauty of this game. It's the main theme in all elder scrolls game, to play how you want to play it.

And yes @Jeremy is right about the official roles in this game. Again, it's not about whether he was carried or whatever, the game allows for different setups to be successful. That's why in four man's you can have a tank 3 dps setups, or a heals 3 dps setups, because ultimately, everyone can do abit of everything.

But this game is heavily dependent on dps numbers. Which is a shame because mechanics that just rely on dps numbers, won't have much variety in them. And it shows because you see players actively avoid mechanics to a point where almost every boss becomes a -tank and spank boss.

@T3hasiangod and I'm sorry mate. I looked up to you because your builds were awesome and really good for scoring numbers. But if you aren't able to look beyond numbers and be inclusive for different type of players then I think something is wrong with that mentality. It's disheartening and disappointing.

Also, it makes me sick to read through of the comments and seeing how completely rude people became over my non-meta healer.

If someone has been the playing the game for years and have an understanding of ability rotation, skill lineup, and set synergy, then you can play literally any race, class, and role.

It is most definitely harder to convert a stamina race into a magicka role (and vice versa) but not impossible. If more people were brave, we would see a lot more non-meta builds.

After all, it is just a video game.

In general I don't feel like people are trying to be rude over your build in particular or even attacking non-meta builds. I actually think non-meta builds and new and unique things are quite cool, but they must be taken in the proper context. I think the issue is when some people are or seem to be promoting certain non-optimal setups (in some cases VERY non-optimal) as actually good or optimal or equivalent in value to a "BiS" build. When setups that include orbs/IA are being downplayed as not necessary or even good I don't really see a problem with people stepping in and making sure that information in the thread is accurate. And if people are going to make assertions like that I don't see any reason that there can't be debate about it or requests for them to defend their statements.

T3hasiangod

lassitershawn wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

RavenSworn wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Wow... just... wow.

This thread has gone WAY off topic.

The whole point of the thread was to show people that since the new racial passives came out, you can literally play any race, class, role that you want WITHOUT gimping yourself if you know how to build them appropriately.

I had put in my original post that I'm fine with people who build their characters to the current META but I would appreciate it if you would keep your elitist comments to yourself.

This game isn't about "cookie cutter" builds and I honestly believe that Zenimax really wanted players to think outside the box and create their own builds. That's how the game was advertised at least.

With all the different sets out there, you can make a stamina race be magicka or vice versa. The only real difference now is that with the new racial passives, it's a whole lot easier to create different builds.

This orc healer is just for fun.

I am not interested nor have I ever been interested in "score runs." I used to be highly competitive in previous PvP games that I've played and even made it to the top 50 players in the world but completely lost interest once I completed my Legendary status.

I never said I was planning on running veteran trials. All I said was I was interested to try out trials with my orc healer which I thought everyone would assume would be normal trials. That was my mistake.

This is still and will always be a video game. Considering that this video game plays so much different than other MMO games, you can literally play any way you want now.

Please do not sit there at your computer and tell someone what abilities or race or role they should succumb to because you don't agree with their opinion.

The biggest problem I see with this game right now is that because of the racial balance issues since launch, people are still following the "head honchos" of the game for their "cookie cutter META" builds.

I feel like Zenimax has done a fantastic job with trying to even out each race so each race has their strengths and weaknesses. The real issue lies with the followers who ignore a ton of sets that if you actually took a few minutes of your life to think about, would realize that it can be used for an amazing and creative build.

There are too many fantastic sets that are being ignored because they have never been META by self proclaimed experts of the game.

If you have a basic understanding of the game's mechanics, you can build any character you want. I just feel like most people are not interested in taking the time to think and create their own builds.

This is why I believe the "cookie cutter" builds are so popular. You already have someone who did the math for you.

Last but not least, This orc build is not finished. It was solely an experiment I've been working on for the last week and I was extremely happy and excited about this build that I wanted to share it with everyone.

If you do not agree with the build, that's your personal opinion. Please do not come here to express negative comments and be rude to people just because you disagree with someone. State your opinion, read their response, but keep it clean.

We are all adults here. Let's act like it.

Thanks, because a lot of the posts in here was getting out of hand. Just because someone has a different view on things doesn't mean they are bad. That's the sheep mentality. But just because most follow a 'leader' mentality doesn't mean they are bad either. It's just two different viewpoints.

Group setups are all unique, they really depend on good group dynamics and role setup. A healer that only heals is still as good as a healer that can support, much like a tank that tanks with a tank that can support. Hell, if tanks and healers can support, dps should be able too. That's the beauty of this game. It's the main theme in all elder scrolls game, to play how you want to play it.

And yes @Jeremy is right about the official roles in this game. Again, it's not about whether he was carried or whatever, the game allows for different setups to be successful. That's why in four man's you can have a tank 3 dps setups, or a heals 3 dps setups, because ultimately, everyone can do abit of everything.

But this game is heavily dependent on dps numbers. Which is a shame because mechanics that just rely on dps numbers, won't have much variety in them. And it shows because you see players actively avoid mechanics to a point where almost every boss becomes a -tank and spank boss.

@T3hasiangod and I'm sorry mate. I looked up to you because your builds were awesome and really good for scoring numbers. But if you aren't able to look beyond numbers and be inclusive for different type of players then I think something is wrong with that mentality. It's disheartening and disappointing.

Also, it makes me sick to read through of the comments and seeing how completely rude people became over my non-meta healer.

If someone has been the playing the game for years and have an understanding of ability rotation, skill lineup, and set synergy, then you can play literally any race, class, and role.

It is most definitely harder to convert a stamina race into a magicka role (and vice versa) but not impossible. If more people were brave, we would see a lot more non-meta builds.

After all, it is just a video game.

In general I don't feel like people are trying to be rude over your build in particular or even attacking non-meta builds. I actually think non-meta builds and new and unique things are quite cool, but they must be taken in the proper context. I think the issue is when some people are or seem to be promoting certain non-optimal setups (in some cases VERY non-optimal) as actually good or optimal or equivalent in value to a "BiS" build. When setups that include orbs/IA are being downplayed as not necessary or even good I don't really see a problem with people stepping in and making sure that information in the thread is accurate. And if people are going to make assertions like that I don't see any reason that there can't be debate about it or requests for them to defend their statements.

This. I don't have an issue with non-meta builds. I have several on my channel. Where I do have issue is when people promote non-meta builds as being equal to or better than meta builds. This is just factually incorrect and is doing a disservice to people who may be searching for information to become better at their role.

If a healer who wanted to do vet trials came into this thread and left with the impression that "orbs are not necessary" and "IA is not good", that's where the issues come in. At that point, I find it proper to 1) correct the misinformation, 2) inform individuals of what is correct, and 3) ensure that the individual understands why things are the meta.

TimeWizard

@ShellaSunshine I'm pretty sure most of the people commenting at this point aren't saying anything at all about your build. It's off-meta, which some people like and others don't, but you state that upfront as well as the goals you have for the character; which should not be hindered by the race you choose to play.

The only comment I would say about your post is that when showing a comparison at stats between two characters you typically want everything else to stay constant between them. It would have been better to show them both in the same sets and food, even if it didn't suit the character as well, and then perhaps another screenshot showing the perfered stats after adjustments.

That's just a nitpick though. I understand that you made your post to show off your new dungeon build to prove that you can play on an orc as healer. I'm glad that you are having fun with it.

Most of the people who are bringing up negative points about offmeta are talking to @Jeremy, and trying to get it through his thick skull that while he might be fine with only using a few, inafective healing skills, it is not helpful to try to spread this message through the community. He claims that a healers only job is to heal yet he doesn't use any of the three best healing skills in the entire game: energy orbs, healing springs, and combat prayer. If he was trying even to just heal people better he would inadvertently be conforming to the true role of healers in eso, which is to soppurt their group through healing, buffs, debuffs, and sustain.

@Tasear I am not sure why you feel like anyone is attacking you. You brought your opinion of IA into this thread out of nowhere and then called anyone who gave you the accurate information about it being one of the best healing sets in the game toxic elitists. You got on a high horse and claimed to be the best healer in the game and to have acheived heights that none the rest of us could ever dream of, yet provided no proof of any of this.

You call anyone who disagrees with you names and accuse them of hatefully targeting you. Let me tell you something: nobody cares enough about your opinion to go out of their way to target you. You are a petty child and you prove it with every word that comes out of your mouth.

In summary; I do not care if anyone wants to run an off-meta build, I do it a bunch myself. I DO care when someone trys to tell anyone else that they SHOULD run something off-meta, or suggest that all builds are equal, they are clearly not, you can prove it with math. Play how you want, as long as you can admit that some ways are simply mathematically better than others.

RavenSworn

lassitershawn wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

RavenSworn wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Wow... just... wow.

This thread has gone WAY off topic.

The whole point of the thread was to show people that since the new racial passives came out, you can literally play any race, class, role that you want WITHOUT gimping yourself if you know how to build them appropriately.

I had put in my original post that I'm fine with people who build their characters to the current META but I would appreciate it if you would keep your elitist comments to yourself.

This game isn't about "cookie cutter" builds and I honestly believe that Zenimax really wanted players to think outside the box and create their own builds. That's how the game was advertised at least.

With all the different sets out there, you can make a stamina race be magicka or vice versa. The only real difference now is that with the new racial passives, it's a whole lot easier to create different builds.

This orc healer is just for fun.

I am not interested nor have I ever been interested in "score runs." I used to be highly competitive in previous PvP games that I've played and even made it to the top 50 players in the world but completely lost interest once I completed my Legendary status.

I never said I was planning on running veteran trials. All I said was I was interested to try out trials with my orc healer which I thought everyone would assume would be normal trials. That was my mistake.

This is still and will always be a video game. Considering that this video game plays so much different than other MMO games, you can literally play any way you want now.

Please do not sit there at your computer and tell someone what abilities or race or role they should succumb to because you don't agree with their opinion.

The biggest problem I see with this game right now is that because of the racial balance issues since launch, people are still following the "head honchos" of the game for their "cookie cutter META" builds.

I feel like Zenimax has done a fantastic job with trying to even out each race so each race has their strengths and weaknesses. The real issue lies with the followers who ignore a ton of sets that if you actually took a few minutes of your life to think about, would realize that it can be used for an amazing and creative build.

There are too many fantastic sets that are being ignored because they have never been META by self proclaimed experts of the game.

If you have a basic understanding of the game's mechanics, you can build any character you want. I just feel like most people are not interested in taking the time to think and create their own builds.

This is why I believe the "cookie cutter" builds are so popular. You already have someone who did the math for you.

Last but not least, This orc build is not finished. It was solely an experiment I've been working on for the last week and I was extremely happy and excited about this build that I wanted to share it with everyone.

If you do not agree with the build, that's your personal opinion. Please do not come here to express negative comments and be rude to people just because you disagree with someone. State your opinion, read their response, but keep it clean.

We are all adults here. Let's act like it.

Thanks, because a lot of the posts in here was getting out of hand. Just because someone has a different view on things doesn't mean they are bad. That's the sheep mentality. But just because most follow a 'leader' mentality doesn't mean they are bad either. It's just two different viewpoints.

Group setups are all unique, they really depend on good group dynamics and role setup. A healer that only heals is still as good as a healer that can support, much like a tank that tanks with a tank that can support. Hell, if tanks and healers can support, dps should be able too. That's the beauty of this game. It's the main theme in all elder scrolls game, to play how you want to play it.

And yes @Jeremy is right about the official roles in this game. Again, it's not about whether he was carried or whatever, the game allows for different setups to be successful. That's why in four man's you can have a tank 3 dps setups, or a heals 3 dps setups, because ultimately, everyone can do abit of everything.

But this game is heavily dependent on dps numbers. Which is a shame because mechanics that just rely on dps numbers, won't have much variety in them. And it shows because you see players actively avoid mechanics to a point where almost every boss becomes a -tank and spank boss.

@T3hasiangod and I'm sorry mate. I looked up to you because your builds were awesome and really good for scoring numbers. But if you aren't able to look beyond numbers and be inclusive for different type of players then I think something is wrong with that mentality. It's disheartening and disappointing.

Also, it makes me sick to read through of the comments and seeing how completely rude people became over my non-meta healer.

If someone has been the playing the game for years and have an understanding of ability rotation, skill lineup, and set synergy, then you can play literally any race, class, and role.

It is most definitely harder to convert a stamina race into a magicka role (and vice versa) but not impossible. If more people were brave, we would see a lot more non-meta builds.

After all, it is just a video game.

In general I don't feel like people are trying to be rude over your build in particular or even attacking non-meta builds. I actually think non-meta builds and new and unique things are quite cool, but they must be taken in the proper context. I think the issue is when some people are or seem to be promoting certain non-optimal setups (in some cases VERY non-optimal) as actually good or optimal or equivalent in value to a "BiS" build. When setups that include orbs/IA are being downplayed as not necessary or even good I don't really see a problem with people stepping in and making sure that information in the thread is accurate. And if people are going to make assertions like that I don't see any reason that there can't be debate about it or requests for them to defend their statements.

That's good to know that there are some people that can see how unique and cool some offmeta builds can be.

But here's a thought: SPC was considered BIS for healers just a few years ago. It's now somewhat 'defunct' as you have other sets coming in. BIS is simply something that the community leaders, not ZoS, somewhat agreed upon. So BIS is fluid, by its own nature, it isn't set in stone per se.

We are all adults here, it's OK to be disagreeable with some viewpoints. Instead of shooting it down, maybe find out more, ask why does he thinks so. Why Orbs or IA is not needed. Then state your case about how its needed in the current popular group setups.

Laud the differences either party brings, not vilify them. This goes both ways FYI.

Tasear

TimeWizard wrote: »

@ShellaSunshine I'm pretty sure most of the people commenting at this point aren't saying anything at all about your build. It's off-meta, which some people like and others don't, but you state that upfront as well as the goals you have for the character; which should not be hindered by the race you choose to play.

The only comment I would say about your post is that when showing a comparison at stats between two characters you typically want everything else to stay constant between them. It would have been better to show them both in the same sets and food, even if it didn't suit the character as well, and then perhaps another screenshot showing the perfered stats after adjustments.

That's just a nitpick though. I understand that you made your post to show off your new dungeon build to prove that you can play on an orc as healer. I'm glad that you are having fun with it.

Most of the people who are bringing up negative points about offmeta are talking to @Jeremy, and trying to get it through his thick skull that while he might be fine with only using a few, inafective healing skills, it is not helpful to try to spread this message through the community. He claims that a healers only job is to heal yet he doesn't use any of the three best healing skills in the entire game: energy orbs, healing springs, and combat prayer. If he was trying even to just heal people better he would inadvertently be conforming to the true role of healers in eso, which is to soppurt their group through healing, buffs, debuffs, and sustain.

@Tasear I am not sure why you feel like anyone is attacking you. You brought your opinion of IA into this thread out of nowhere and then called anyone who gave you the accurate information about it being one of the best healing sets in the game toxic elitists. You got on a high horse and claimed to be the best healer in the game and to have acheived heights that none the rest of us could ever dream of, yet provided no proof of any of this.

You call anyone who disagrees with you names and accuse them of hatefully targeting you. Let me tell you something: nobody cares enough about your opinion to go out of their way to target you. You are a petty child and you prove it with every word that comes out of your mouth.

In summary; I do not care if anyone wants to run an off-meta build, I do it a bunch myself. I DO care when someone trys to tell anyone else that they SHOULD run something off-meta, or suggest that all builds are equal, they are clearly not, you can prove it with math. Play how you want, as long as you can admit that some ways are simply mathematically better than others.

Yeah you care enough to tag me. Just leave out of your drama and toxic lifestyle.

Koensol

Oh look its @Jeremy , the guy who said it is impossible to be a good healer in pvp because you keep getting clapped by damage dealers, yet refuses to wear any mitigation sets because "thats not what healers wear". You seem to have a big problem with others teaching/informing you on the best/most efficient way to do content. Could it perhaps be something you are projecting, hmm?? Anyway, we would all love to hear what insanely usefull skills you are using in place of orbs.

Jeremy

Koensol wrote: »

Oh look its @Jeremy , the guy who said it is impossible to be a good healer in pvp because you keep getting clapped by damage dealers, yet refuses to wear any mitigation sets because "thats not what healers wear". You seem to have a big problem with others teaching/informing you on the best/most efficient way to do content. Could it perhaps be something you are projecting, hmm?? Anyway, we would all love to hear what insanely usefull skills you are using in place of orbs.

That's not what I said actually...nor did I say I never wear mitigation sets...

Do you just enjoy lying about other people? What I actually said was healers are weak compared to other MMORPGs I have played on this game and that healing cannot counter a well-played damage-dealer. An opinion I still hold to today by the way - though it should be noted for context I only do none-CP PvP and it's been awhile since I played as a healer in PvP.

But that's a different subject and would prefer you not derail this thread over some weird (and obsessive) vendetta you have with me about a post I probably made more than a year ago. I also have no idea who you even are and it's scary to me you still remember me over some ancient forum post. It was my opinion and I suggest you get over it.

I'm now just going to respond generally to the hundreds of notifications and mentions (that's only a slight exaggeration by the way and there is no way I"m going to spend the next 5 hours responding to them all individually).

It's just insane (and funny) how easily this forum is triggered. I make what is probably one of the most mundane comments imaginable - that a healer on this game is not required to slot orbs to help increase the damage of others - and my box is literally filled for 3 days straight now with insults and psychobabble. So I'm done with this thread. This time for real. So you all have fun ranting, lying, insulting and obsessing over me and that little comment. Because I'm done with this nonsense and have better things to do with my time then waste any more of it on this asinine thread. No offense to the OP - who I applaud for daring to go against the mold and for trying something new. Something many of the people on this forum can't seem to cope with as they have amply demonstrated here. You all need to remind yourselves this a damn video game and that if a healer doesn't want to slot orbs that's their choice and the world is not going to end as a result of that decision. Geezus...

Heelie

I actually thought of making an orc healer myself specificly for vAS HM as a group healer, i really enjoy the diversity in healer races now, since the race stats are in practise a very little percetage of your overall stats that matters as a healer, you can experiement with races that have other forms of utility, currently i love Nord as a front kiter in vAS because of the extra defensive stats and the ulti regen, i did on sub 6 min clear with it so far. And orc if they had had just a tiny bit more HP I would have taken as group healer since it would allow me to go back and forth from kiting 1 second faster. I hope you enjoy it

Diundriel

sry, but i gotta have to say this: that orc is the ugliest healer i have seen in eso xD

Koensol

Jeremy wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Oh look its @Jeremy , the guy who said it is impossible to be a good healer in pvp because you keep getting clapped by damage dealers, yet refuses to wear any mitigation sets because "thats not what healers wear". You seem to have a big problem with others teaching/informing you on the best/most efficient way to do content. Could it perhaps be something you are projecting, hmm?? Anyway, we would all love to hear what insanely usefull skills you are using in place of orbs.

That's not what I said actually...nor did I say I never wear mitigation sets...

Do you just enjoy lying about other people? What I actually said was healers are weak compared to other MMORPGs I have played on this game and that healing cannot counter a well-played damage-dealer. An opinion I still hold to today by the way - though it should be noted for context I only do none-CP PvP and it's been awhile since I played as a healer in PvP.

But that's a different subject and would prefer you not derail this thread over some weird (and obsessive) vendetta you have with me about a post I probably made more than a year ago. I also have no idea who you even are and it's scary to me you still remember me over some ancient forum post. It was my opinion and I suggest you get over it.

I'm now just going to respond generally to the hundreds of notifications and mentions (that's only a slight exaggeration by the way and there is no way I"m going to spend the next 5 hours responding to them all individually).

It's just insane (and funny) how easily this forum is triggered. I make what is probably one of the most mundane comments imaginable - that a healer on this game is not required to slot orbs to help increase the damage of others - and my box is literally filled for 3 days straight now with insults and psychobabble. So I'm done with this thread. This time for real. So you all have fun ranting, lying, insulting and obsessing over me and that little comment. Because I'm done with this nonsense and have better things to do with my time then waste any more of it on this asinine thread. No offense to the OP - who I applaud for daring to go against the mold and for trying something new. Something many of the people on this forum can't seem to cope with as they have amply demonstrated here. You all need to remind yourselves this a damn video game and that if a healer doesn't want to slot orbs that's their choice and the world is not going to end as a result of that decision. Geezus...

Lol.

Anyway, you can use any damn set or ability in the game if you want. Just don't come out with objective statements like "its not their job", when there are guilds and theorycrafters who have played this game since launch and have spent an insane amount of time to find out out the best group compositions and the best gear/ability setup for healers.

Just like in your misinformed pvp thread, you act like you have all the knowledge when in fact you are pretty much clueless (try not to get triggered) compared to more experienced players. You complain, but don't tolerate being corrected on your bias. Just the fact that YOU can't do something doesn't mean it is not possible or is very hard. Just because YOU choose to not use orbs, doesn't mean it is not widely proven to be the best possible support for your group.

Jeremy

I'm not reading this.

As I said, I'm done with this thread. Please stop quoting me or sending notifications to my box as it relates to this thread. I won't even read them so you are just wasting your time. Now if you are so desperate for my attention that you want to waste your time and keep sending me quotes and mentions I can't stop you. But I'm sorry to say it will not be successful and I'm going to continue to ignore them. I'm sorry.

TARAFRAKA

RogueShark wrote: »

You're both beautiful.

I can't speak for him but I already knew I was hot LOL.

Jeremy wrote: »

I'm not reading this.

As I said, I'm done with this thread. Please stop quoting me or sending notifications to my box as it relates to this thread. I won't even read them so you are just wasting your time.

I quoted you.
Come at me bro.

IzzyStardust

DLM wrote: »

lassitershawn wrote: »

I think my main question to you would be why NOT use orbs? It is a very powerful heal that provides resources to your team. What other skill is so powerful that it merits not slotting orbs? I'm really struggling with understanding your point of view on the topic because orbs isn't even just for helping your group sustain, it is actually a really strong HoT and synergy heal.

Honestly it depends on who are you running with. I can tell from experience that synergy is an unknown thing to the vast majority of PUGs and my orbs most often go to waste. There's still the HOT they provide but I can easily do without it.

It’s the strongest heal - sure you can do without it - but whyever would you?

Agenericname

IzzyStardust wrote: »

DLM wrote: »

lassitershawn wrote: »

I think my main question to you would be why NOT use orbs? It is a very powerful heal that provides resources to your team. What other skill is so powerful that it merits not slotting orbs? I'm really struggling with understanding your point of view on the topic because orbs isn't even just for helping your group sustain, it is actually a really strong HoT and synergy heal.

Honestly it depends on who are you running with. I can tell from experience that synergy is an unknown thing to the vast majority of PUGs and my orbs most often go to waste. There's still the HOT they provide but I can easily do without it.

It’s the strongest heal - sure you can do without it - but whyever would you?

So basically you're agreeing with @jeremy?

ShellaSunshine

Heelie wrote: »

I actually thought of making an orc healer myself specificly for vAS HM as a group healer, i really enjoy the diversity in healer races now, since the race stats are in practise a very little percetage of your overall stats that matters as a healer, you can experiement with races that have other forms of utility, currently i love Nord as a front kiter in vAS because of the extra defensive stats and the ulti regen, i did on sub 6 min clear with it so far. And orc if they had had just a tiny bit more HP I would have taken as group healer since it would allow me to go back and forth from kiting 1 second faster. I hope you enjoy it

If I was wearing Sanctuary instead of The Worm's Raiment, I would have a 1.1k bonus to health. I didn't have a 2nd set and didn't feel like logging out, unequipping from my Breton, putting in bank, logging out, then refitting my Orc.

Since Update 21, loading screens have increased by 3 seconds which doesn't seem like a lot but sometimes the game malfunctions and I get stuck in an infinite loading screen especially if I travel too often or log in/out too many times.

I was extremely excited that I was able to almost match the stats with my Orc healer to my Breton healer and with the reused The Worm's Raiment set, I have almost matched the magicka cost reduction of my Breton.

Of course, I'm using recycled sets from my Breton so they do not have the traits and enchantments that I want. I do not want to enchant over the expensive tri-stat enchantments on my Spell Power Cure set in case I want to use it for another toon.

I'm still trying to work out what sets I really want for my Orc and still working out what abilities I want to use. I have never played a Sorcerer before in the 3 years I've played. The class abilities are all new to me. So, I'm still working out the kinks.

Zenimax did nerf the Orc's health by a little bit (used to give 6% to health and stamina) but with at least one health enchantment, it really shouldn't be a big deal. As you can see in my photo, my stamina is a little too high for a healer but that's because of the recycled gear from my Breton that has 3 tri-stat enchantments. I can probably do away with the tri-stat and just do health enchantments. My stamina would still be higher than my Breton's stamina pool which has always been more than enough for roll dodging and break freeing when needed.

I just need to farm gear for my Orc and come back with the results. Of course, my RNG luck has not been kind to me. It takes me AGES to get weapons and jewelry. I can get full gear sets in a matter of days, but weapons and jewelry? It took me a year to get a Shock Sanctuary Staff...

And 6 months to get the weapons and jewelry for The Worm's Raiment set...

And it's been 2 years and still haven't received ANY weapons or jewelry for ANY of the trials I've completed with my Breton on normal or veteran mode... The worst part is not a single weapon or jewelry piece had dropped for anyone in my group either... It's almost as if the game doesn't want me to have it LOL

If you want to try it out, you should. It never hurts to try out new things. Besides, if you don't like it, you can simply delete character and try again.