Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

AndyMac wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Fair and AH do not belong in the same sentence. Most games with central auction houses have a handful of people that dominate and fix the market. Think of how much gold is burned into the current system each week. Millions upon millions of gold leave the system on traders. Remove that, centralized all posts and all you get is a dozen people picking an item or two each and buy everything out and gouge the market. Remember buying wax for 2k? Welcome to 6k. Why? Some guy has tens of millions to spend and they are going to buy out every cheap post and make thousands gouging.

That happens now - the only difference is they and their accomplices have to run around buying up the target item - say BA motif pages or cornflower - then post at their gouge price.

You come up with a trading system - any trading system - and there will always be multiple people in game who can and will manipulate it to profit themselves- sad but true.

At least with an AH, there are no dues, no farming to make sales requirements and an extra guild slot.

You're being blackmailed. If you get an email asking to pay dues, leave. Weekend sees other guilds recruiting again, after they kicked the non-compliant players from their guilds. See how ludicrous the situation is?

If you don't want to pay dues, find a guild that doesn't charge any there are plenty of them out there. There is also always zone chat WTS. Or just find a friend to hook you up with stuff from time to time. OR go farm what you need yourself. There is tons of ways to get and sell stuff in the game. Guild stores is just one way. It's a convenience they didn't have to put in the game, but some people just like to complain and are never happy I guess. I'd rather they don't put in a central AH. I would't like to see ZOS reward people who don't want to put forth any effort.

Your so elitists with your last comment lol. So because someone doesn't want to be in the middle of no where because their items won't sell, or because they would rather play the game that shout in zone chat trying to sell items, or maybe they don't play enough to pay 10k a week for good traders, or possibly it is because they can't meet certain sales a month that some guilds have.

Again NOT ALL OF US PLAY ON PC WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO ADD-ONS. Stop saying console doesn't need a global AH because you guys are not playing the game the way it was designed. You don't have a flawed system. I guarantee you if zos banned players for using these add-ons all the pc players would see how flawed this system truely is and actually support it.

PC players did the same thing years ago. A lot of PC players believed and kept telling console players we didn't need text chat that we had headphones and voice chat so use that except they didn't know how terrible it was, but yet kept telling us we didn't need text chat at all. We felt like cavemen trying to play a video game.......

Now here it is same thing all over again. We are in the year 2019 and most of us play video games because we enjoy them. The adults on this game already work to pay bills so again why should we have to work in the game to pay bills to traders through dues or reaching a certain sales limit. And please stop for the love of God about join a free trader in the middle of no where. Why doesn't a pc player come to console and join a trader guild in the middle of no where and see how often your stuff actually sells. I can tell you now that add-on IS THE SAME AS HAVING A GLOBAL AH.

Ignore him, hes obviously doing his best to pick fights so this topic gets shut down.

AndyMac wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Fair and AH do not belong in the same sentence. Most games with central auction houses have a handful of people that dominate and fix the market. Think of how much gold is burned into the current system each week. Millions upon millions of gold leave the system on traders. Remove that, centralized all posts and all you get is a dozen people picking an item or two each and buy everything out and gouge the market. Remember buying wax for 2k? Welcome to 6k. Why? Some guy has tens of millions to spend and they are going to buy out every cheap post and make thousands gouging.

That happens now - the only difference is they and their accomplices have to run around buying up the target item - say BA motif pages or cornflower - then post at their gouge price.

You come up with a trading system - any trading system - and there will always be multiple people in game who can and will manipulate it to profit themselves- sad but true.

At least with an AH, there are no dues, no farming to make sales requirements and an extra guild slot.

notimetocare wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

We need a free , fair central trading system .

There is nothing bad to the players , to be or not to be .

Fair and AH do not belong in the same sentence. Most games with central auction houses have a handful of people that dominate and fix the market. Think of how much gold is burned into the current system each week. Millions upon millions of gold leave the system on traders. Remove that, centralized all posts and all you get is a dozen people picking an item or two each and buy everything out and gouge the market. Remember buying wax for 2k? Welcome to 6k. Why? Some guy has tens of millions to spend and they are going to buy out every cheap post and make thousands gouging.

Remember how much everyone hates bots? They amplify that problem. ZoS will never stop bots no matter how hard they try (and let's be fair, they dont try that hard). Bots spam post cheap stuff and feed the fixers. The only defense we have about bots right now is that they cant really destroy our economy. The worst they can do right now is reduce prices by making mass sales for cheap in zone chat. Without a central AH we avoid the price fixing issue

You really don't, all not having a central AH is doing is making lowbie players get scammed by all the knowledgeable players seeing items for a cheap price and re selling it. If there was a central AH that player can look up said item and knows it is worth 150k and not to sell it to the guy trying to rip you off for 30k. (Yes i see this similar thing all the time in zone chat). The rich people get richer because they travel around the world buying everything cheap posted to guild traders and re selling them. One central AH solves that huge problem.

I can't tell you the last time I farmed for money. I travel the world let others farm my item I buy them for 800-2000 and sell them on my trader for 20-150k that isn't a fair system at all tbh.

Bots still exist and mess up the market no matter what system you use and price manipulation happens no matter what system you use except global AH makes everyone aware of a price.

Being scammed is called lacking common sense and ability to use resources.

As far as the rich getting richer? Its unbelievably easy on a central AH. I pointed that out. In the current system it is too difficult to truly dominate a market the same way an AH can.

Central AH doesn't let you know what something is worth, just what it is being fixed too.

So you benefit from people failing to research but seem to be against it? Or is it that you actually want your scamming to be easier?

ccfeeling wrote: »

We need a free , fair central trading system .

There is nothing bad to the players , to be or not to be .

Androconium wrote: »

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

Just have it like a general auction house at designated npcs. Take guilds out of the equation entirely. It's a pain having to run to each individual trader, in each individual zone, looking for one specific item, that can take hours. Give it a search bar and/or categories, and have the results show all of said item that anyone has listed, and the ability to filter them by price, etc.

It's a pain having to run to each individual trader, in each individual zone, looking for one specific item, that can take hours.

Why on earth, would ZOS want to save you any time?
Their whole strategy is to keep you in-game for as long as possible

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

AndyMac wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Fair and AH do not belong in the same sentence. Most games with central auction houses have a handful of people that dominate and fix the market. Think of how much gold is burned into the current system each week. Millions upon millions of gold leave the system on traders. Remove that, centralized all posts and all you get is a dozen people picking an item or two each and buy everything out and gouge the market. Remember buying wax for 2k? Welcome to 6k. Why? Some guy has tens of millions to spend and they are going to buy out every cheap post and make thousands gouging.

That happens now - the only difference is they and their accomplices have to run around buying up the target item - say BA motif pages or cornflower - then post at their gouge price.

You come up with a trading system - any trading system - and there will always be multiple people in game who can and will manipulate it to profit themselves- sad but true.

At least with an AH, there are no dues, no farming to make sales requirements and an extra guild slot.

You're being blackmailed. If you get an email asking to pay dues, leave. Weekend sees other guilds recruiting again, after they kicked the non-compliant players from their guilds. See how ludicrous the situation is?

If you don't want to pay dues, find a guild that doesn't charge any there are plenty of them out there. There is also always zone chat WTS. Or just find a friend to hook you up with stuff from time to time. OR go farm what you need yourself. There is tons of ways to get and sell stuff in the game. Guild stores is just one way. It's a convenience they didn't have to put in the game, but some people just like to complain and are never happy I guess. I'd rather they don't put in a central AH. I would't like to see ZOS reward people who don't want to put forth any effort.

Your so elitists with your last comment lol. So because someone doesn't want to be in the middle of no where because their items won't sell, or because they would rather play the game that shout in zone chat trying to sell items, or maybe they don't play enough to pay 10k a week for good traders, or possibly it is because they can't meet certain sales a month that some guilds have.

Again NOT ALL OF US PLAY ON PC WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO ADD-ONS. Stop saying console doesn't need a global AH because you guys are not playing the game the way it was designed. You don't have a flawed system. I guarantee you if zos banned players for using these add-ons all the pc players would see how flawed this system truely is and actually support it.

PC players did the same thing years ago. A lot of PC players believed and kept telling console players we didn't need text chat that we had headphones and voice chat so use that except they didn't know how terrible it was, but yet kept telling us we didn't need text chat at all. We felt like cavemen trying to play a video game.......

Now here it is same thing all over again. We are in the year 2019 and most of us play video games because we enjoy them. The adults on this game already work to pay bills so again why should we have to work in the game to pay bills to traders through dues or reaching a certain sales limit. And please stop for the love of God about join a free trader in the middle of no where. Why doesn't a pc player come to console and join a trader guild in the middle of no where and see how often your stuff actually sells. I can tell you now that add-on IS THE SAME AS HAVING A GLOBAL AH.

RavenSworn wrote: »

Im satisfied with the current system actually but I want something else to be added. A bazaar type of trading system where the 'group' allows free trading, for a limited time in a set city with any players being able to list out a limited number of items.

Perhaps the bazaar could start during the weekends only. This allows regular non trading guild players to list items while not affecting the main trading system. Once the bazaar ends, all items are Returned to owner via mail. And don't put this in each faction city, make them go round tamriel, even towards coldharbor or clockwork city.