moonsugar66 wrote: »

Tyralbin wrote: »

When/if guild housing is ever released a guild trader could be an option that one can buy with the guild house

Obviously the trader would sell his wares outside the entry to the guild house

This way every guild has the ability to trade.

(Cannot vote because I am happy with the current system but think this suggestion would improve it vastly).

Dark Age of Camelot has this very system. The NPCs were "consignment merchants" that were setup on a porch outside the houses.

https://darkageofcamelot.com/housing/special-objects#15

And why is this not surprising


Oh yer, the original devs are the same people...

Guild trader system is the worst of any MMO I have played. A traditional AH system would be best.

Voted No.

Not a fan of PvP Trader Access

The most efficient trading system...

There is one global trading system available from any trader NPC.

Selling tab
You have a small drop target for your stack of items.
After droping something into it, you have a preview of the existing stack of the same items for sale sorted by ascending unit price and how many items are available for each unit price. (all the stacks for the same unit price are presented as one)
You choose your unit price (or you click on a preview row to autofill the unit price).
A preview of the total of all the fees you'll have to pay upfront is displayed
You have a [Confirm] button to list your stack.
You're charged the agreed fees and your stack is removed from your inventory.

Listing tab
You can see all your currently listed items with how much items remain of the stack and the unit price.
There's an [Unlist] button to remove the remaining items next to it.
Upon unlisting items, you're refunded of whatever amount of listing fee applicable.

Buying tab
You have several filters + a search text input
A list of the matching items is displayed (icon + name)
Hovering an item row show its tooltip.
Clicking on the item row you're interested in, the list is replaced with a list of the active sales sorted by ascending unit price with the quantity available for each unit price.
You have a quantity input and a total price preview.
When you click on the [Buy] button and the transaction succeed, you get the items and lose your money.
If the transaction don't succeed because someone bought some of those items and there are not enough items to sell that quantity for the agreed price, a popup open with an error message.
If there are enough items remaining, a new price is displayed for the same quantity with a [Buy] buttton on the opposite side of the [Close] button so you can try again for the new total price.
If not enough items remains, only the [Close] button is there with a message telling you that not enough items remains.

Keeping guild traders
Guild traders could still exist as a way for guilds to have better deals as sellers than non-guild members.
Anyone would be able to list items from any trader, but listing items from your guild trader may give you lower fees + partial refund when unlisting products.

Keep the system as is but add 1 more trader this trader will be the global auction house and can only have 5 max items per account at a time

I think this would be the best compromise

But I would agree that if a guild buys a kiosk for a week, they're locked in for that week. They cannot drop the trader and they cannot dissolve the guild, lorewise as a contract with their trader, socially as a form of security against managerial mistakes or manipulation.

The RNG trader idea would just lead to an entirely different problem that could still be manipulated. Imagine the random people selling wait list spots for their guild and then doing the exact same trader disbanding that this thread is about. Or even feeling that you're being forced to leave a guild you like to chase the weekly winners at your preferred trade spot.

Idk about a lottery - if anything I’d prefer a way to sell without a trade guild having to be involved.

I’ve been in trade guilds since the game released and, granted, they’re effective for what they do but the WEEKLY requirements just keep going up as their weekly bid requirements have increased. You need to spend a significant amount of game time farming stuff to sell each week and that isn’t why I log in.

I played GW2 for a bit of look and they’re central trading system seemed great to me and I could sell effectively using it as and when I had something to sell.

Perhaps there is a down side I don’t see? Idk that much about MMO trading systems really.

I am sure they can all be gamed by bad actors.

Possibly ZOS should just seriously increase the number of prime location store slots to help cap or drive down the requirements.

They should have a type of leaderboard system for guild traders alongside the existing components.

As in, 1st, 2nd & 3rd type placeholders where If a guild wins a guild trader and decides to disband to make room for a different one, it will instead transfer guild trader ownership to the 2nd place holder and so on for the week.

say for example, one guild bids 1M gold and another bids slightly less like 900K and then another goes to bid somewhere around 800K or less, the guild that wins the guild trader would be the one who bid 1M, but if that guild dispands, then the guild who bid 900K would be given that guild trader for the week and so on in descending order, like a top 5-10 bidders board.

and lets be honest, I do not know how it would play out, but it would be interesting.

Entire system is crap and with sites like Tamriel Trade Center you bypass walking between vendors anyway. MasterMerchants gives you general knowledge about items prices too.
Get rid of trader system all together and implement normal global auction house with access from any banker, including the one we pay 5k crowns and cant even rename him or change his appearance.

notimetocare wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

We need a free , fair central trading system .

There is nothing bad to the players , to be or not to be .

Fair and AH do not belong in the same sentence. Most games with central auction houses have a handful of people that dominate and fix the market. Think of how much gold is burned into the current system each week. Millions upon millions of gold leave the system on traders. Remove that, centralized all posts and all you get is a dozen people picking an item or two each and buy everything out and gouge the market. Remember buying wax for 2k? Welcome to 6k. Why? Some guy has tens of millions to spend and they are going to buy out every cheap post and make thousands gouging.

Remember how much everyone hates bots? They amplify that problem. ZoS will never stop bots no matter how hard they try (and let's be fair, they dont try that hard). Bots spam post cheap stuff and feed the fixers. The only defense we have about bots right now is that they cant really destroy our economy. The worst they can do right now is reduce prices by making mass sales for cheap in zone chat. Without a central AH we avoid the price fixing issue

You really don't, all not having a central AH is doing is making lowbie players get scammed by all the knowledgeable players seeing items for a cheap price and re selling it. If there was a central AH that player can look up said item and knows it is worth 150k and not to sell it to the guy trying to rip you off for 30k. (Yes i see this similar thing all the time in zone chat). The rich people get richer because they travel around the world buying everything cheap posted to guild traders and re selling them. One central AH solves that huge problem.

I can't tell you the last time I farmed for money. I travel the world let others farm my item I buy them for 800-2000 and sell them on my trader for 20-150k that isn't a fair system at all tbh.

Bots still exist and mess up the market no matter what system you use and price manipulation happens no matter what system you use except global AH makes everyone aware of a price.

Jhalin wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

But I would agree that if a guild buys a kiosk for a week, they're locked in for that week. They cannot drop the trader and they cannot dissolve the guild, lorewise as a contract with their trader, socially as a form of security against managerial mistakes or manipulation.

The RNG trader idea would just lead to an entirely different problem that could still be manipulated. Imagine the random people selling wait list spots for their guild and then doing the exact same trader disbanding that this thread is about. Or even feeling that you're being forced to leave a guild you like to chase the weekly winners at your preferred trade spot.

See right here is the problem with the trader system and people really don't seem to care except the ones not manipulating the system. There is way to much control of this aspect of the game in the players hand.

If you allow player A to manipulate the system they do most of the time. The solution however is to take it out of their hands and hence the major issue for a AH being global exists. For some reason a lot of humans have it in their nature to be greedy and selfish and not caring at all about someone in real life or in a game. A perfect example is just last night in craglorn on PS4 na there were a group of people using racial slurs and making a lot of people in chat mad rightfully so (these same guys have been reported multiple times and never get banned also). But if people will treat another human like that there is no way they will not find a loophole to manipulate a system that shouldn't be in the game to begin with.

Now a global AH fixes that aspect of.the broken trader system as it gives the players less power to buy access traders and disband the guild. People are scared of a global AH and I never understood why a logical person likes this trader system were it turns a game into a second job. Some traders have a requirement where you need to sell enough items in a month to stay, some have fees. Idk about everyone else but I work 40-80 hours a week to pay my bills so why should I have to do the same in a game? Lol

And lastly pc has a bunch of add-ons that PS4 can't use. If zos doesn't add a global ah maybe they should at least put a few npc around the world maybe like 1 in each zone, that replicates that add-on that shows you where all these items are posted. Give him a search bar and instead of him letting you buy the item him tell you that there is 55 inferno staff of spell strategist and here's the price for each and they are located at these locations. Bam now players can search and buy very fast and PS4 would at least replicate the search function pc has.

As someone who has and still does take part in games with global AH systems, I hate them. The entry into them is ridiculously difficult and nothing you can get starting out has significant value worth selling. Items with value are in a different world compared to anything common. For fast moving items lowest listings are always gone when you pick them if the game has a healthy population, and slow moving items get undercut over and over usually by tiny amounts that still don’t actually reduce the gap between common items and moderately rare

And still no one has put forth a solution to continue getting rid of the billions of gold eliminated every week. When gold is so easy to come buy, that gold sink is necessary

The only solution needed is to prevent disbanding of guilds holding traders. Having an economy in players hands that can’t be controlled by one or two people makes this game’s trade system interesting

If players couldn't fully lock down areas therefore control an entire market then we wouldn't need gold sinks lol. The way it is right now if you have money you buy the low priced items and jack them up.

That being said when you are starting out even now of course nothing is worth money. There is no difference on the econemy from now and having a AH except you can chose a price based on what else is around you. All the AH does is make it so an item has a universal sale price rather than a price depending on the zone your in (on consoles)