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Why does ZOS force PVP on people who want nothing to do with it?
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DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why does ZOS force PvE on people who want nothing to do with it?Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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Retired to baby bgs forever. Leave me alone.9 -
Fur_like_snow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fur_like_snow wrote: »Sadly you chose the ERP faction instead of one of the two real PvP factions. You’re gonna be waiting awhile for those shards.
Cyrodil is "PvP" for PvE players, go play some CS:GO or something if you want to find real PvP players.
I prefer Rainbow Six Seige for my FPS fix. Your baby rage is hilarious considering you’re on forum for ESO in a topic about Cyrodiil achievements not CS:GO.Edited by Fur_like_snow on March 10, 2019 10:54PM4 -
Ash_In_My_Sujamma✭✭✭✭✭I love money but I hate the fact that I have to work to get them! Why are money locked behind working? It's unfair for all of us that don't want to work!13 -
Sylosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fur_like_snow wrote: »Fur_like_snow wrote: »Sadly you chose the ERP faction instead of one of the two real PvP factions. You’re gonna be waiting awhile for those shards.
Cyrodil is "PvP" for PvE players, go play some CS:GO or something if you want to find real PvP players.
I prefer Rainbow Six Seige for my FPS fix. Your baby rage is hilarious considering you’re on forum for ESO in a topic about Cyrodiil achievements not CS:GO.
What rage? Stating an opinion is not rage, perhaps you should stop projecting. As for the rest, what are you on about?2 -
therift✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »I love money but I hate the fact that I have to work to get them! Why are money locked behind working? It's unfair for all of us that don't want to work!
Take heart! A new generation of young, progressive, socially-conscious American politicians are working on this issue right now!
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Alinhbo_Tyaka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't PvP but can't you go in as a guest of one of the other factions and get access to the shards behind their gates?0 -
fullheartcontainer✭✭✭✭✭I have been trying to finish the Skyshard Global Achievement for the furniture item and was horrified to discover you needed the shards from all 21 overland PvE zones. I do not PVE, I hate PVE and honestly wish it wasn't even part of a game or at least a completely separate world server, but people enjoy it so live and let live I say. Though it is beyond me why would they put PVP content in a zone that then forced people to PVE? So I geared up in some cowards and darkstride, then I went into the overland zones to try and find what I needed, which worked fine, till I realized that some skyshards were impossible to get without a completing questlines because they were locked behind phaselocked sections. It is bad enough to put PVP in a PVE zone, to force people to have to travel through a PVE zone, but then to lock the items behind areas that cant be open without being involved in PVE is ridiculous! What were they thinking? Why do they hate PVPers so much? If it was just an achievement then I could just say forget it, but then they decide to attach one of the cooler housing items to it.
With all the changes to the game, I think its time for PVE to be removed from the Skyshard Achievement much like Craglorn is, stop punishing PVPers especially when it is such a simple thing to change. Even better make it a global account achievement if you don't want to remove the PVE zones from it so all you need is one character to complete all the quests and be done with it. I have been working on this for days now I am stuck questing in the PVE overland hoping that I complete enough quests and exploring to get them all, just to get the last skyshards I need.8 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭RealDolanTrump wrote: »In my experience there are generally 3 types of player in this game:
- those that PvP
- those that PvE
- those that are not good at either of above. So instead they role play or do quests and such stuff.
What makes me angry is when #3 comes to the forums and asks for nerfs, asks to remove PvP, cries about animation canceling, cries about players that are better than them, and blames ZOS for their own incompetence.
Yes, it would be nice for you if they would separate the Cyrodiil Skyshards from the achievment, but it would also be nice if you would ask like a normal human being without throwing dirt at PvP and PvPers.
Whilst you are correct about there being 3 categories, I think your assertion that number 3 are the ones who stand out from the rest when it comes to demanding this, that and everything needs nerf'd counldn't be further from the truth. That crown belongs to those who can't wrap their head around others being better than them in pvp and in some cases, a lot better than them.Edited by Prof_Bawbag on March 10, 2019 11:35PM4 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »I don't PvP but can't you go in as a guest of one of the other factions and get access to the shards behind their gates?
No you can guest other campaigns but will still be the same faction.
Getting the skyshards and fishing achievement in Cyrodiil isn't that hard though I did it on my crafter. Toughest part was I didn't have my mounts speed leveled up yet so going deep into enemy held territory took a while.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭remember you will never be complete or feel fulfilled until you have all those skyshards...never...
this is the essence of your existence...why you have been placed on this world...you absolutely must get those skyshards, or, there will be no peace...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place12 -
Alinhbo_Tyaka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »I don't PvP but can't you go in as a guest of one of the other factions and get access to the shards behind their gates?
No you can guest other campaigns but will still be the same faction.
Getting the skyshards and fishing achievement in Cyrodiil isn't that hard though I did it on my crafter. Toughest part was I didn't have my mounts speed leveled up yet so going deep into enemy held territory took a while.
Thanks for the correction.
When they had the recent Midyear Mayhem event I picked up a few of the skyshards in the extra campaigns they added for the Indrik event (did PvE dailies for my event tickets). I will probably go back in for the next one as it was pretty easy to get around the event instances. From what I saw the different factions seemed to control the area at different times so it's just a matter of going in when it's blue for Daggerfall Covenant.Edited by Alinhbo_Tyaka on March 10, 2019 11:45PM1 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I share the OP's frustration. I tried PvP and hated it. I've accepted the fact that I'll never get the skyshard achievement. I don't expect ZOS to change it. It is what it is...
Yep. But then, I'm not into achievements anyway, so it's not a big deal to me. I spent time on a friend's pvp server in wow.... *shudder* Not doing it ever again.3 -
NoMoreChillies✭✭✭✭✭
✭Account wide achievements would fix this and not affect anyone's gameplay.Insulting people on the internet is cowardly.4 -
jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The same reason devs intermix everything-- they want versatile populations that will ultimately purchase every last bit of DLC they come out with, who will be so hyper-engaged in every bit of grind they conjure up that they'll stay playing (and paying subs) into the next century. And they hope by shifting the above populations around into less-popuar content, the niche players will have people to queue with them, ensuring they'll stick around too.3 -
Mudcrabber✭✭✭✭You can change your AvA announcement settings so that you're notified when a gate opens even when you're not in Cyrodiil. Then you can hop into the campaign, sneak through the gate, and grab your skyshard.6 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭RealDolanTrump wrote: »
What makes me angry is when #3 comes to the forums and asks for nerfs, asks to remove PvP, cries about animation canceling, cries about players that are better than them, and blames ZOS for their own incompetence.
Uh, if there's tears about PvP on the forum, they're usually flowing from the eyes of PvPers....
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DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AlienatedGoat wrote: »Real talk:
It's mainly because the guys that created ESO came from previous PvP-oriented MMOs, the best example of which is Matt Firor who headed up Dark Age of Camelot. In fact, there are many design elements in ESO PvP that came directly from DAoC.
Because of this previous game design experience and a desire to improve on the DAoC PvP design, ESO was created from the ground up as a game that was intended to have a large PvP element, and it initially touted PvP as its endgame. This was largely ignored by the wider player base after release, which was part of what influenced the creation of the "adventure zone" Craglorn (later redesigned) and its 3 trials, which formed the basis of a new PvE endgame.
As the years have passed, PvP has stayed a niche mode of play in ESO, but the game designers continue to hold fast to the idea of PvP as a crucial game element, fancying it to be like one side of a coin (with PvE on the reverse). That's why they continue to make things that are designed to push PvE'rs towards PvP and vice versa.
It did not tout PvP as its endgame. It touted PvP as one of the endgame activities.They said as much from the start.3 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I share the OP's frustration. I tried PvP and hated it. I've accepted the fact that I'll never get the skyshard achievement. I don't expect ZOS to change it. It is what it is...
I don't have problems with PvP, but I don't do it much. Regardless, I got my skyshards during a guild event where a ton of us made a run for it when the gates were open. It was a guild PvE event in Cyrodiil.
People are being way too dramatic about this.6 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭"Why do they hate PvEers so much?" *Has 50 billion zones for PvE only.*
Oh yeah, I hate doing PvE to get gear for PvP too. But hey, if you want to get everything in the game you gotta do everything there is to offer in the game.
Because PvP was and is always a side-dish in the MMO genre and any MMO title which focused itself on PvP experienced a quick death.5 -
D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If you want all achievements you have to play all areas of the game. Thats how it is in every game.4 -
D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoMoreChillies wrote: »Account wide achievements would fix this and not affect anyone's gameplay.
Well, they would still need to do it at least once.4 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoMoreChillies wrote: »Account wide achievements would fix this and not affect anyone's gameplay.
Well, they would still need to do it at least once.
All too true. If one is going to do it once.... there's no real need to do it again, unless one is a very OCD completionist and has many alts, ain't?
*shrug* As I've said, I'm not into the entire achievement thing, so if this got changed it wouldn't be anything I'd worry about anyway. Right now, sometimes something will pop on-screen about some achievement or the other. I don't even go looking for what it is. Only ones I really care about are the dyes. And believe me, I don't go trying to GET them.... but it's nice when another one shows up in the Outfit Station.1 -
Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭perogwin_ESO wrote: »Trouble of getting all 3? Well, one of them is essentially free. As for the others, if your faction is zerging enough to get the enemy gates open, then you should have no problem ducking in to grab their skyshard.
I'd take some invisi pots with you so you can approach the skyshard undetected, then pat yourself on the back for actually earning an achievement
I am only talking about the 4 (2 on each side) behind the other faction gates, I of course got the 2 behind mine. My plan was actually to do what you suggest but from what I can tell (and I have been flipping through all 3 campaigns that I have access to) AD doesn't actually do anything.
You're AD? Oh god, no wonder you're frustrated. Good luck, you'll need it.
it's doable, even on a non-nb.
keep at it.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Zos clearly wants people to try out both sides of the game. We see this evidence that PvP players need to do some PvE to get passives, gear, and skills and skill points. The same for PvE players needing to enter PvP as well.
it is not that big of a deal.4 -
Bhelen✭✭✭If I have to toil through group dungeons for weeks to get my undaunted passives to PvP you can suck it up and grab a couple of skyshards in a PvP zone. smh6 -
jpo✭✭✭Why are there so many fake victims in this world who think choices they make in a game are "forced" on them by game devs.
But...while we're at it, why am I forced to create a character to play this silly game in the first place?
And then why am I forced to find all the cool places in order to get the explorer achievements. Who thought that made sense?Edited by jpo on March 11, 2019 6:01AM5 -
rabidmyers✭✭✭✭✭RealDolanTrump wrote: »In my experience there are generally 3 types of player in this game:
- those that PvP
- those that PvE
- those that are not good at either of above. So instead they role play or do quests and such stuff.
What makes me angry is when #3 comes to the forums and asks for nerfs, asks to remove PvP, cries about animation canceling, cries about players that are better than them, and blames ZOS for their own incompetence.
Yes, it would be nice for you if they would separate the Cyrodiil Skyshards from the achievment, but it would also be nice if you would ask like a normal human being without throwing dirt at PvP and PvPers.
lol i do everything, i quest, pvp and pve and im good at it all, i dont rp tho so i guess i dont do everything then huh
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Nerftheforums✭✭✭✭✭
✭perogwin_ESO wrote: »I have been trying to finish the Skyshard Global Achievement for the furniture item and was horrified to discover you needed the shards from all 3 alliance areas. I do not PVP, I hate PVP, and honestly wish it wasn't even part of a game or at least a completely separate world server, but people enjoy it so live and let live I say. Though it is beyond me why would they put PVE content in a zone that then forced people to PVP? So I waited till the server was quiet, then I went into the zone on the lowest population version of the campaign I could find to try and get what I needed, which worked fine, till I realized that 4 skyshards were impossible to get without a full campaign going on because they were locked behind the gates of the other 2 factions. It is bad enough to put PVE in a PVP zone, to force people to have to travel through a PVP zone, but then to lock the items behind gates that cant be open without being involved in PVP is ridiculous! What were they thinking? Why do they hate PVEers so much? If it was just an achievement then I could just say forget it, but then they decide to attach one of the cooler housing items to it.
With all the changes to the game, I think its time for PVP to be removed from the Skyshard Achievement much like Craglorn is, stop punishing PVEers especially when it is such a simple thing to change. Even better make it a global account achievement if you don't want to remove the PVP zones from it so all you need is one character of each faction just to go in and get the ones behind the gates and be done with it. I have been working on this for days now I am stuck sitting in a PVP Campaign hoping that one of the gates opens and stays open long enough for me to get to it and through it , and survive all the players trying to kill me, just to get the last 4 shards I need.
No imagine pvpers that are truly forced to do pve stuff to get fundamental pvp gear. Vds, in the past vma, hm vAS, undaunted, monster sets, etc. You are complaining because u have to ride your horse in a place where somebody might kill you. What shall we do then?Edited by Nerftheforums on March 11, 2019 6:45AM2 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ive done it on 15 characters and on all factions. That includes 6 that are AD.
All of them have level 10 of their alliance skills too.
I PVP more now than when I did most of those characters.
Its not that hard, you just need to be patient.Beta tester November 20131
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