Why does ZOS force PVP on people who want nothing to do with it?

SaintSubwayy

just here to wait for the dead horse meme....bring it on

Androconium

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Account wide achievements would fix this and not affect anyone's gameplay.

No. It would not fix the OP's problem of having to go to Cyrodiil at least once (as already noted). Your assertion is incorrect.

My gameplay would be affected if characters that I meet at level seven already have 100+ skill points at their disposal. Your assertion on this is incorrect also.

Let's not forget that the sky shards are actually supposed to be found using a hint system; not the Skyshards Add-on. At least you all know where they are now, if you really want to know. How much advantage do you really need over other players?

The achievements are character-based as theoretically you can have one of every race and as a result, earning that achievement would be a different event each time, apart from having some pre-existing experience.

I have been in the OP's boat for four years. When I ran out of skill points I had no choice left but to try.

• I reset my CP points to a speed/stamina recovery focus;
• I did a similar thing with one set of armour;
• I set another set up with high level of; and high recovery of health
• I played at what is 2AM for most Europe timezones

I got all the shards in my alliance area and many from outside.
The only real difficulty that I had was with some of the delve bosses.

All done on my stupid Redguard Sorcerer, who is my crafting char. It just requires a bit of planning.

EDIT: I haven't needed the other shards as yet. still have about half to collect.

Chaos2088

Only thing that erks me is that when other alliance player can see you are going for the skyshard and not the scroll and either gank or try and chase you down. Tut tut.

eso_lags

perogwin_ESO wrote: »

I have been trying to finish the Skyshard Global Achievement for the furniture item and was horrified to discover you needed the shards from all 3 alliance areas. I do not PVP, I hate PVP, and honestly wish it wasn't even part of a game or at least a completely separate world server, but people enjoy it so live and let live I say. Though it is beyond me why would they put PVE content in a zone that then forced people to PVP? So I waited till the server was quiet, then I went into the zone on the lowest population version of the campaign I could find to try and get what I needed, which worked fine, till I realized that 4 skyshards were impossible to get without a full campaign going on because they were locked behind the gates of the other 2 factions. It is bad enough to put PVE in a PVP zone, to force people to have to travel through a PVP zone, but then to lock the items behind gates that cant be open without being involved in PVP is ridiculous! What were they thinking? Why do they hate PVEers so much? If it was just an achievement then I could just say forget it, but then they decide to attach one of the cooler housing items to it.


With all the changes to the game, I think its time for PVP to be removed from the Skyshard Achievement much like Craglorn is, stop punishing PVEers especially when it is such a simple thing to change. Even better make it a global account achievement if you don't want to remove the PVP zones from it so all you need is one character of each faction just to go in and get the ones behind the gates and be done with it. I have been working on this for days now I am stuck sitting in a PVP Campaign hoping that one of the gates opens and stays open long enough for me to get to it and through it , and survive all the players trying to kill me, just to get the last 4 shards I need.

I get what you're saying here but one thing.. Hate pvers? This game is 99% pve. Zos has put out one pvp dlc and like 10 pve ones. PVE performance is good while pvp performance is in the gutter. PVE issues are immediately addressed and acknowledged by the devs while pvp issues are usually ignored. Their main focus is pve. Maybe skyshards in cyro were bad design but its really not that hard to get them without a fight. Ask for help or time it right.

MaxJrFTW

Idk, why does it force pve on people that want nothing to do with it? I just had to do like 30 dungeons to level up undaunted. You think i wanted to do that?

I love how pvers complain about having to pvp half an hour for caltrops, and having to collect a handful of skyshards for which you have to do 0 pvp whatsoever. Meanwhile pvpers have to do undaunted for hours upon hours and nobody bats an eyelash.

Beardimus

Rikumaru wrote: »

"Why do they hate PvEers so much?" *Has 50 billion zones for PvE only.*

Oh yeah, I hate doing PvE to get gear for PvP too. But hey, if you want to get everything in the game you gotta do everything there is to offer in the game.

^ Nailed it.

Pick a map your alliance colour, go in when its quiet. PvE your way through the gate guards and grab it. Easy.

In a game with such little PvP these comments amaze me.

SoLooney

I love all the salty tears from all these players

Always get the pvp players who immediately go on the defense and cry about how they have to do pve content and vice versa for pve players

Just suck it up Pve and pvp players

Whining isnt gonna get anything done, just close your mouth and do it. Who knows, it might not be as bad as you think, geez...

To the OP, play a nightblade and cloak if you see an enemy player

Vapirko

Sure, who cares. I’m primarily a PvPer with small breaks to focus on PvP. I’ve done vMA to get my bow and staves, vDSA to get master weapons, various trials to get gear, dungeons to get gear, and honestly making achievments account wide is a reasonable suggestion I think. Despite what some think, PvP is a integral part of this game for many and the devs aren’t just going to drop it entirely. Some of the their biggest streamers and content creators are PvP focused. But making it easier to get a few skyshards won’t affect me in any way at all so who cares. People on this forum get way too worked up about making minute changes that won’t affect them. Tbh I doubt this will be implemented, but still, it wouldn’t make a difference if it were.

jircris11

RealDolanTrump wrote: »

In my experience there are generally 3 types of player in this game:
- those that PvP
- those that PvE
- those that are not good at either of above. So instead they role play or do quests and such stuff.

What makes me angry is when #3 comes to the forums and asks for nerfs, asks to remove PvP, cries about animation canceling, cries about players that are better than them, and blames ZOS for their own incompetence.

Yes, it would be nice for you if they would separate the Cyrodiil Skyshards from the achievment, but it would also be nice if you would ask like a normal human being without throwing dirt at PvP and PvPers.

Hey I am a dedicated rper but I can run any pve content as well as pvp when lags not spiking my ass back to next week lol.

r34lian

zos is always trying to combine pvp and pve and it will never work , achievements should be either full pvp based or pve but ....it's zos

Alucardo

Facefister wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

"Why do they hate PvEers so much?" *Has 50 billion zones for PvE only.*

Oh yeah, I hate doing PvE to get gear for PvP too. But hey, if you want to get everything in the game you gotta do everything there is to offer in the game.

Because PvP was and is always a side-dish in the MMO genre and any MMO title which focused itself on PvP experienced a quick death.

You see, this is where we disagree. I believe PvP is the end-game for MMOs. You do PvE to level up, gain experience around the mechanics of the game and your abilities, and finally to get that gear you want. Then when you've exhausted everything PvE has to offer you move onto something that doesn't need quarterly updates in content to keep you satisfied because it's dynamic and ever changing by nature - PvP.
PvP is, and always will be, the true end-game of any MMO.

perogwin_ESO

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

With all the changes to the game, I think its time for PVE to be removed from the Skyshard Achievement much like Craglorn is, stop punishing PVPers especially when it is such a simple thing to change. Even better make it a global account achievement if you don't want to remove the PVE zones from it so all you need is one character to complete all the quests and be done with it. I have been working on this for days now I am stuck questing in the PVE overland hoping that I complete enough quests and exploring to get them all, just to get the last skyshards I need.

Sadly your sarcasm is lost on me because I support this, If they did this we would both win, 1 achievement for PVP Skyshards and a Separate Achievement for overland Skyshards. Heck it could even be the same furniture item as long as the PVE and PVP versions of the Achievement were separate.

Minnesinger

You could do without the achievement. No one is forcing you to hun them.

Alucardo

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Only thing that erks me is that when other alliance player can see you are going for the skyshard and not the scroll and either gank or try and chase you down. Tut tut.

This is why I recommend taking invisibility pots

perogwin_ESO

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Account wide achievements would fix this and not affect anyone's gameplay.

1000% support this, I have been saying it since Beta.

perogwin_ESO

D0PAMINE wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Account wide achievements would fix this and not affect anyone's gameplay.

Well, they would still need to do it at least once.

Yes but if it tracked account wide I could simply log in one of the other faction characters I have to get the 2 behind each gate and be done. Also I don't care that I have to do it, I am more annoyed with where they placed those last few skyshards needed.

MattT1988

Alucardo wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

"Why do they hate PvEers so much?" *Has 50 billion zones for PvE only.*

Oh yeah, I hate doing PvE to get gear for PvP too. But hey, if you want to get everything in the game you gotta do everything there is to offer in the game.

Because PvP was and is always a side-dish in the MMO genre and any MMO title which focused itself on PvP experienced a quick death.

PvP is, and always will be, the true end-game of any MMO.

Very very very very debatable.

6point6b16_ESO

I think what he is coming at is. Its no trouble for a pvper to get all skyshards and archievements in both pvp and pve, but it is a problem for a pveer to get them all in pvp..

So in the end weighing it positive to the pvpers.

Dont really care myself, its 1.3 skillpoints which is nothing..

perogwin_ESO

Minnesinger wrote: »

You could do without the achievement. No one is forcing you to hun them.

Trust me if it was just the achievement and no furniture item I wouldn't even have tried! Sadly I am working on several intricately designed houses that I need that specific item to finish. It can't be bought and there is no other furniture item that has the specific effect I am in need of from it.

To me, Housing Design is the TRUE endgame

EllieBlue

perogwin_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Trouble of getting all 3? Well, one of them is essentially free. As for the others, if your faction is zerging enough to get the enemy gates open, then you should have no problem ducking in to grab their skyshard.
I'd take some invisi pots with you so you can approach the skyshard undetected, then pat yourself on the back for actually earning an achievement

I am only talking about the 4 (2 on each side) behind the other faction gates, I of course got the 2 behind mine. My plan was actually to do what you suggest but from what I can tell (and I have been flipping through all 3 campaigns that I have access to) AD doesn't actually do anything. I am hoping the other opposing factions might but that makes it a lot harder to get to the gates and through them before they close.

Go to Sotha Sil. Currently morning capped by AD on a daily basis. Should be easy peasy for you to get in the gate.

rptrainer

Tbh i wanted to try pvp but I have 0 experience. Seeing this kinds of post obviously will turn me off. 100% pve, I don't care if I miss the achievements or skyshards. I just wanted to have fun and at least a guidance to some dlc dungeons. I really wanted to try vet dungeons but I'm too noob.

perogwin_ESO

EllieBlue wrote: »

Go to Sotha Sil. Currently morning capped by AD on a daily basis. Should be easy peasy for you to get in the gate.

Ahh tyvm for the insight, I was able to get the 2 from the DC side today finally, but the EP 2 are proving to be even more difficult since in all 3 campaigns I can get in (way to high for the "under 50" version) have totally been dominated by EP this weekend and the red gate haven't opened once. Heck in one of the Non-Vivecs EP has all 6 scrolls

Alucardo

MattT1988 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

"Why do they hate PvEers so much?" *Has 50 billion zones for PvE only.*

Oh yeah, I hate doing PvE to get gear for PvP too. But hey, if you want to get everything in the game you gotta do everything there is to offer in the game.

Because PvP was and is always a side-dish in the MMO genre and any MMO title which focused itself on PvP experienced a quick death.

PvP is, and always will be, the true end-game of any MMO.

Very very very very debatable.

What is this game based on? The Elder Scrolls. What do you do in PvP? Capture the elder scroll. It's end-game. Deal with it.

Minnesinger

perogwin_ESO wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

You could do without the achievement. No one is forcing you to hun them.

Trust me if it was just the achievement and no furniture item I wouldn't even have tried! Sadly I am working on several intricately designed houses that I need that specific item to finish. It can't be bought and there is no other furniture item that has the specific effect I am in need of from it.

To me, Housing Design is the TRUE endgame

You signed for this quest to get them.

Get some couragement and carry on.

Sam's Speech - Worth Fighting For

Frodo : I can't do this, Sam.

Sam : I know.
It's all wrong
By rights we shouldn't even be here.
But we are.
It's like in the great stories Mr. Frodo.
The ones that really mattered.
Full of darkness and danger they were,
and sometimes you didn't want to know the end.
Because how could the end be happy.
How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad happened.
But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow.
Even darkness must pass.
A new day will come.
And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer.
Those were the stories that stayed with you.
That meant something.
Even if you were too small to understand why.
But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand.
I know now.
Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back only they didn’t.
Because they were holding on to something.

Frodo : What are we holding on to, Sam?

Sam : That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.

rpa

In my short excursions to Cryodiil my main gripe has been it's a huge annoyingly flickering waste. Some things are not for everyone and that zone clearly is not for me. Too bad.

As for PvP. I did play a PvP game many years and had great fun before eventually losing interest. Might try casual BG PvP some day. It is so low priority I have not even checked how bad PvP grind is in this game.

aetherial_heavenn

Mudcrabber wrote: »

You can change your AvA announcement settings so that you're notified when a gate opens even when you're not in Cyrodiil. Then you can hop into the campaign, sneak through the gate, and grab your skyshard.

This is what I did on my healer slowplar before I started PvPing. I didn't know about speed/invis pots, I didn't have a maxed speed horse. But I could read the AvA announcement and go into True Flame when the enemy gates were open.

(There is also an additional notice about x player taking the scroll from enemy Y alliance' s temple. That also means Y temple gate is open and it's likely the map in Y faction has been cleaned up, there will be a hoard running the scroll from your faction, so it should be safe to enter.)

I'll add that when midyear mayhem was on there were lots of LFG's who specifically formed for this. Just alt hop as gates open and your collection will be done by the end of the event. This achievement is one of the easier world wide achievements to get, in my opinion.

Doing all the dungeon vet achievements is my goal atm.Two years after every skyshard I still have a few Vet achievements to get. Next my goal will be the trials ones. Or Grand Overlord. I'll let you know next year how that progresses. It's a very long way from one star to 5.

The fishing one is one I'll never get. Don't have time for that one. Until maybe my main takes an arrow to the knee and retires. If the game is still around then

TL:DR In my world, you gotta play the game by the current rules to get the trophy.

(Suggestion. Maybe in addition to the current item, they could award 2 miniature skyshard housing items: one for doing all skyshards except those in Cyro, and one for doing all of Cyrodil/IC but not the PvE ones. But I guess that wouldn't be enough for some.)

JumpmanLane

Omg. It’s exactly THAT. An ACHIEVEMENT. ZOS should NOT remove the SIX skyshards from behind the gates. ZOS intended for everyone to actually PLAY their game. That includes PvP.

I got all the Cyrodill skyshards. I killed a lot of people to get them. Personally, I find skyshards hunting boring as watching paint dry. I don’t hunt them for skillpoints. You get one everytime you rank up lol.

Incidentally, when nightcappers take over the map and steal all the Scrolls, I don’t log off. I defend the SKYSHARDS on my MagDk to ENSURE that collecting those skyshards is indeed an achievement as ZOS intended. Lol

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

Sadly you chose the ERP faction instead of one of the two real PvP factions. You’re gonna be waiting awhile for those shards.

I play MagDk on EP PCNA and killed a whole lot of Zerglings to get ALL the Cyrodill skyshards. Didn’t take THAT long.

“I’m Jump Lane and I came to get DOWN”!

Garwulf

Essentially the same to do trials and other stupid dungeon stuff in PVE. At least in PVP it is never the same old bang your head against a wall action over and over again. All you have to get in your head about PVP, is that the worst that can happen to you is you have to respawn after death. Not even your equiptment get damaged. Only your pride if you are a neurotic who worries about your charcter being killed. My main character has been killed tens of thousands of times since ESO began. Might be a Grand Overlord but makes little difference . Worth something like 50 skill point however.

perogwin_ESO

FIANLLY GOT THE LAST 2!

I still think the Skyshard achievements should be separated by PVE and PVP, and some of the more involved achievements like this one should be Account Wide, but at least this nightmare is over!

Edaphon

perogwin_ESO wrote: »

FIANLLY GOT THE LAST 2!

I still think the Skyshard achievements should be separated by PVE and PVP, and some of the more involved achievements like this one should be Account Wide, but at least this nightmare is over!

Are you sure? Even after years of therapy you may never fully recover from that traumatic experience.