commdt wrote: »

idk wrote: »

PvE has achievements that motivate players. No death runs. Speed runs and more. Rewards such as special skins, pets, titles and more.. PvE even has leaderboards that specifically show who has done the best job clearing the top content. PvE even has a leaderboard that demonstrates who has done the best job clearing content.

So there are already motivating factors in PvE. They are different because the content is different. Many of the most skilled PvP players are also to PvE players.

But yes, GF needs to be fixed. It is a shame Zos chose to not fix it even though we were loud and clear that it was not fixed and they were tagged in many of those threads.

There are various leaderboards, achievements, loot and rewards in PvP also.

The problem I want to adress is in PvE there is absolutely no point to do the same content again (after you got the achievement). Like in PvP you can capture this Alessia again for another portion of AP and progress in Alliance war

I suggest you read my post again. You seem to have read only one sentence.

First, the PvE leaderboards have much more meaning. i.e, the player at the top of the DK vMA leaderboard is the best at that on a DK. The raid team at the top of the vCR leaderboard is the best at the newest hardest content. The person at the top of the PvP leaderboard for XYZ campaign merely spent the most active hours in that campaign.

Second, you totally overlooked my mentioning of actual achievements in PvE content many of which you cannot get if you just go through it one time.

So you can ignore that there are achievements that require going through the content more than once. You can ignore that there are coveted rewards that go along with many of those achievements.

But they are there so the only problem is you seem to be overlooking them.

code65536 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

PvE has achievements that motivate players. No death runs. Speed runs and more. Rewards such as special skins, pets, titles and more..

These are all one-time things, though. What happens once you get them? For example, I didn't touch Scalecaller for months after getting the trifecta. Okay, when motifs were added, I was drawn back to complete my collection, but that lasted only a few weeks. And the dungeon event last year completely obliterated the dungeon motif market and now even those rewards are almost worthless.

idk wrote: »

PvE even has leaderboards that specifically show who has done the best job clearing the top content. PvE even has a leaderboard that demonstrates who has done the best job clearing content.

Leaderboard competition has been on the decline over the years. There are those that still compete, of course, but it's not nearly as many as before. Score-pushing is a soul-draining exercise of constantly resetting the trial for hours each night to get that one perfect run where nobody dies and RNGesus smiles upon you, which is why I don't score-push and I suspect why so many people who do score-push burn out and/or develop very salty outlooks about the game.

So an alternative way to motivate and reward endgame PvE would be nice. I'm not sure if the idea here is a good solution. But the existing incentives for repeating content do seem a bit on the weak side.

1. While I get your point, what percentage of the player base actually has the trifecta in Scalecaller? Even more so, what percentage of the population has the Shadow skin or even just the Dro Mathra skin? So there is much room for most. I expect a majority of the active game population has not even cleared all trial on vet, let alone HM. You are one of the more skilled tanks in the game.

2. Why has leaderboard interest been on the decline? I think that has to be considered first before a solution can be determined. I have seen a number of reasons that the idea presented here would not turn the tide. Ones that have lead to a decreased interest by some serious raiders I have known.

• Heavy handed combat changes. Morrowind update is a great example.
• vAS and vCR are so boring. Coming off the heals of the two best trials in the game we received such lame designs.
• Active player population in decline.

Also, Cyrodiil is a great example that OP's idea will not keep player interest for eternity. It is a pale resemblance of what it once was.

Yes, Zos does need to do something to stem the tide. I personally think that unless the game is managed better that it will not matter what they add for achievements. It is my hope their words that they are finally developing a vision for combat in this game is more than just lip service and that Zos' recent statement that the next trial will be a full trial means they are taking development of that content more seriously again.

Maybe, hopefully, if some of those that left and others that never came see Zos is getting serious about improving how this game is managed. Achievements are great short term motivators. A good, well managed game, is a better long term motivator.

That is just my opinion, for what little it is worth.