What I enjoy most is having actual control of most encounters, save for a few off-the-rail bosses (Warden, Drodda). But another part of the appeal is knowing very few people are willing to do it, so it always feels like I'm helping out regardless of the content being done.

If more experienced players that play with friends or guilds didn't bring their expectations into PUG groups with a negative attitude, and instead of complaining or harassing a player, provide tips or suggestions to those who seem to be struggling in their role. Again, I said tips and not rudely commanding them to play how you think they should be doing their job outside of the very basics. Things like explaining that there is no Threat mechanic in this game and they should be using the 1H&S taunt, and that they don't *need* to taunt every single enemy. That using their armor buff, if available, will boosts their survivability and they should be trusting the healer to heal them while they stand relatively still with the boss turning it's back to the group so the DPS can do what they need to. Just if there was a more supportive and encouraging attitude to those just wanting to try it out, there might be some sort of improvement.

I'll personally stay in a dungeon for a while, and I have been in Darkshade Caverns over 2 hours before, if it seems like everyone is really trying to listen, learn and progress through a veteran dungeon. I want them to succeed if they aren't easy quitters. I enjoy it more when people are having fun with it, sharing an interest in heavy sacks and chests or the quest. I do not care what build you are using as long as the player is being proficient in their role, instead of just light attacking and occasionally deciding to use an ability.

When I'm new to a game, I do tend to pick a Damage class, and then transfer to a healer or tank class after I become familiar with the game mechanics. I prefer healing and Tanking, and want to help fill those role instead of adding to the plethora of individuals chasing big numbers. I enjoy receiving the occasional compliments given by group members that appreciate me just existing as a sufficient non Templar Healer or non DK Tank player. I guess they may have had bad experiences

i play tank in dungeons only when i want perfect tank in party, dlc dungeons specifically. Want to do something good, do it yourself

Don't know for others. Maybe they get bored eventually so they roll new character (tank).

the anime "the rising of the shieldhero"

thing is noone sees ur effort and skill when u are tanking but everyone can see the damage numbers ur generating. tanking is actually the most skillfull thing in the game. (i still want it nerfed for pvp tho ;D)

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

Yeah the annoying thing about tanking is a lot of it is about learning how to tank. You kind of have to learn all the mechanics for everything.
But then once you know the mechanics it can be kind of boring taunt, hold and block. pull trash and wait for mechanics.

So you can't just jump in and do it for fun because you get abused if you fail at it (sometimes deserved) and you don't really get much reward as far as gameplay goes for learning. (other than quick pledge queues)

Also, there is an issue is that you lack agency, you can tank but if you do it "properly" you can't actually deal damage to push a bad dps group across the line of a dungeon.

also also darkshade 2 sucks.

As for solutions, what about tank only mechanics? bosses that will give bonuses for tanking well rather than groups dpsing well. Atm good dps can allow you to avoid mechanics but good tanking is barely noticeable and is still reliant on good dps.

Omg, LA-pierce armor, pickup synergy, LA-heroic slash, LA-igneous shards, bar switch LA-blockade, LA-engulfing flames -> chain/taunt couple of new adds, claws, roll dodge aoe, bar switch, block heavy attack, LA-green dragon blood, pickup synergy, LA-balance, LA-pierce armor, bar switch, LA-blockade, LA-engulfing flames, bar switch, block heavy attack, omg, minor brutality running out, pickup synergy, igneous shards, block heavy attack, LA-heroic slash, you're almost out of resources, horn is ready, moment of triumph, WOOHOO! Block heavy attack, LA-pierce armor..

It's so BORING to keep 5 debuffs and 3 buffs running while controlling mobs and surviving one-shot hits targeted at you and incoming each several seconds and missing of any of those hits is simply a SHAME, I'm simply yawning playing as tank.

ikr ppl underestimate the effort. the harder the run the more skill u need as tank than the other roles. tanking is only easy in most nondlc dungeons

yeh tanking is just very hard and a huge responsibility for harder content. i tank vet dungeons but no trials. if u do a mistake as dps its not like ur whole raid group will wipe u know

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

Because as pointed out, tanks can't do anything in solo-play. One of my friends mains a tank, and he asked me to help him in a delve, because he wanted the skyshard. If he goes by himself in there, he can't die but it will take him minutes to kill a small mob.
That is what makes tanks less attractive to play imo, BUT dealing almost zero damage is normal for a tank. You can't and shouldn't do decent damage with a tank setup, that's part of the build.
PC can use dressing room to make a dps-setup to switch to within a second, maybe even use an addon to switch between championpoint-setups. But console-players need to switch every thing by hand, which takes forever.

For me, playing a dd is just my style.

If your friend plays as a tank in solo you should give him the advice to change to a dd setup for when he decides to solo play.

Pug queue time to wait is less

My main is 50/50 tank and stam sorc. What would make my life easier is loadouts that can switch gear/CP/skills/attributes in one go. I kind of use a hybrid setup which means my dps is lower than it could be and my tankiness is a bit more squishy. I think newer players would struggle with this especially because the number of skill points you need to do this can be quite prohibitive. Especially if you also want to craft and do PvP.

That the dungeon q is like 2 seconds.

Reward the tank for their effort. Gold and exp is kind of useless in end game. Maybe set it so that dungeon, overland gear drop chance is proportional to the damage you absorb. Can apply to healer as well.

Tanking is the easiest way to obtain dungeon sets. My tank is feeding other chars with sets basically.