Or you could use gifting for what it's for: Gifting.
Then you don't have to worry about being scammed.
VaranisArano wrote: »
ZOS specifically allows players to trade Crown Store Gifts in exchange for gold. They also will deal with scams, providing the player has evidence.
In short, its officially not just for actual gifts.
Therefore, since ZOS supports the trading, its just common sense that they should seek to minimize the risk to players and the work for Support with an actual trading UI. (Except they didn't, for reasons that undoubtedly seemed good to them.)
VaranisArano wrote: »Or you could use gifting for what it's for: Gifting.
Then you don't have to worry about being scammed.
ZOS specifically allows players to trade Crown Store Gifts in exchange for gold. They also will deal with scams, providing the player has evidence.
In short, its officially not just for actual gifts.
Therefore, since ZOS supports the trading, its just common sense that they should seek to minimize the risk to players and the work for Support with an actual trading UI. (Except they didn't, for reasons that undoubtedly seemed good to them.)
Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Or you could use gifting for what it's for: Gifting.
Then you don't have to worry about being scammed.
ZOS specifically allows players to trade Crown Store Gifts in exchange for gold. They also will deal with scams, providing the player has evidence.
In short, its officially not just for actual gifts.
Therefore, since ZOS supports the trading, its just common sense that they should seek to minimize the risk to players and the work for Support with an actual trading UI. (Except they didn't, for reasons that undoubtedly seemed good to them.)
Yeah. A UI update allowing for a CoD when a gift is accepted wouldnt be unreasonable.
Agreed, this is the same system EVE Online used with its PLEX.They should have just went the WoW way of letting people buy ESO tokens for 20$ each and selling them in game for gold, either use for a month sub without the 1500 crowns or 1500 crowns
VaranisArano wrote: »We suggested this on the PTS before Gifting was implemented. For whatever reason, ZOS chose not to despite later clarifying that trading Crown Gifts for Gold is allowed.
Warframe let you trade their eshop currency between players like any other item.
Just because something is not prohibited does not mean it is encouraged or supported. It is indeed a gifting system and if you want to utilize it a as a way to trade gold for crowns you are doing it at your own risk and your own responsibility. It is not its intended use.
Just because something is not prohibited does not mean it is encouraged or supported. It is indeed a gifting system and if you want to utilize it a as a way to trade gold for crowns you are doing it at your own risk and your own responsibility. It is not its intended use.
Actually it is encouraged. Regardless Zen should probaby get ahead of this. Given they directly benifit from the game sales and have absolute authority over the transactions there is a real legal liability they are risking.
Please do not think I am one of those "sue" on the internet types, I am far from it and actually have taken those to task who are. All I am saying is this is one of those times where a legal issue could be a real possibility.
VaranisArano wrote: »We suggested this on the PTS before Gifting was implemented. For whatever reason, ZOS chose not to despite later clarifying that trading Crown Gifts for Gold is allowed.
The reason is probably "we know better, shut up and give us our money".
Guild Wars 2 has had a built-in interface for trading real life currency against gold since launch, and they even take a commission from every exchange. Here is an idea, ZOS : people pay for crown, and then you get some more money when they sell it to other players. You get money twice for the same thing, isn't that a wonderful idea ?
Just because something is not prohibited does not mean it is encouraged or supported. It is indeed a gifting system and if you want to utilize it a as a way to trade gold for crowns you are doing it at your own risk and your own responsibility. It is not its intended use.
Actually it is encouraged. Regardless Zen should probaby get ahead of this. Given they directly benifit from the game sales and have absolute authority over the transactions there is a real legal liability they are risking.
Please do not think I am one of those "sue" on the internet types, I am far from it and actually have taken those to task who are. All I am saying is this is one of those times where a legal issue could be a real possibility.
Show me how ZOS encourages crown for gold trades? They are pretty safe because there is no actual transaction when you are selling crowns. It is two entirely separate actions. Gifting an item from crown store and giving some gold to someone. It all falls under "trade for promises" category and they bear no responsibility for such things. Sometimes they are nice and will refund you your gold if you get scammed but it is once again just a gesture of good will.
Just because something is not prohibited does not mean it is encouraged or supported. It is indeed a gifting system and if you want to utilize it a as a way to trade gold for crowns you are doing it at your own risk and your own responsibility. It is not its intended use.
Actually it is encouraged. Regardless Zen should probaby get ahead of this. Given they directly benifit from the game sales and have absolute authority over the transactions there is a real legal liability they are risking.
Please do not think I am one of those "sue" on the internet types, I am far from it and actually have taken those to task who are. All I am saying is this is one of those times where a legal issue could be a real possibility.
Show me how ZOS encourages crown for gold trades? They are pretty safe because there is no actual transaction when you are selling crowns. It is two entirely separate actions. Gifting an item from crown store and giving some gold to someone. It all falls under "trade for promises" category and they bear no responsibility for such things. Sometimes they are nice and will refund you your gold if you get scammed but it is once again just a gesture of good will.
They are the direct benificiary of the purchase of the crowns. They also control all aspects of the crown transaction with the exeption of the intent of those involved in the trade. Zen even controls the medium the crowns are traded in. Legally it would be uncontested that Zen has an interest in seeing crwons sold and scams could encourage more sales overall, thus possibly creating a contradictory interest on Zen part.
In matters of the law Zen could be shown as liable, typically the law would assume the party recieving the benifit which also exercises control of the process coukd be considered to have sone responsibility.
BrokenString wrote: »
NoTimeToWait wrote: »BrokenString wrote: »
There are multiple ways to reduce the risks associated with crown trading to negligible levels. Trading with well-known friends is one option. The other one is to use a guild master that both parties can trust as a broker. Another option is to use established brokerage services that exist on some servers. If you can't manage in-game risks, buy crowns with your money, not gold.
I find currently existing system more interesting one and less buggy than any possible solution ZOS could come up with in couple of month. I think we need more QoL updates, but hopefully not crown-related.
Just because something is not prohibited does not mean it is encouraged or supported. It is indeed a gifting system and if you want to utilize it a as a way to trade gold for crowns you are doing it at your own risk and your own responsibility. It is not its intended use.
Actually it is encouraged. Regardless Zen should probaby get ahead of this. Given they directly benifit from the game sales and have absolute authority over the transactions there is a real legal liability they are risking.
Please do not think I am one of those "sue" on the internet types, I am far from it and actually have taken those to task who are. All I am saying is this is one of those times where a legal issue could be a real possibility.
Show me how ZOS encourages crown for gold trades? They are pretty safe because there is no actual transaction when you are selling crowns. It is two entirely separate actions. Gifting an item from crown store and giving some gold to someone. It all falls under "trade for promises" category and they bear no responsibility for such things. Sometimes they are nice and will refund you your gold if you get scammed but it is once again just a gesture of good will.
They are the direct benificiary of the purchase of the crowns. They also control all aspects of the crown transaction with the exeption of the intent of those involved in the trade. Zen even controls the medium the crowns are traded in. Legally it would be uncontested that Zen has an interest in seeing crwons sold and scams could encourage more sales overall, thus possibly creating a contradictory interest on Zen part.
In matters of the law Zen could be shown as liable, typically the law would assume the party recieving the benifit which also exercises control of the process coukd be considered to have sone responsibility.
You can not be brought to court for a in-game currency transaction, that's absurd. And ZOS made it clear that both crowns and gold are considered in-game currencies. And even if someone were to try something like that pretty sure that corporate lawyers equipped with ToS will quickly close the case.
Well to be fair they have TCE that handles buying and selling crowns and have never had any issues. The real fact is that people are trying to buy cheap and end up getting scammed. I often sell crowns on PC NA, but I normally do it for guild mates.
BrokenString wrote: »NoTimeToWait wrote: »BrokenString wrote: »
There are multiple ways to reduce the risks associated with crown trading to negligible levels. Trading with well-known friends is one option. The other one is to use a guild master that both parties can trust as a broker. Another option is to use established brokerage services that exist on some servers. If you can't manage in-game risks, buy crowns with your money, not gold.
I find currently existing system more interesting one and less buggy than any possible solution ZOS could come up with in couple of month. I think we need more QoL updates, but hopefully not crown-related.
Please stop making excuses for a company that you dont even work for. It is people like you that halt and delay new and useful features. I'm talking about this:
"If you can't manage in-game risks, buy crowns with your money, not gold."
Oh yeah lets all of us take unecessary risks wich could be avoided with a simple trade system or tweaks in the existing one, get scammed and spend hours crying for the support give us the gold back until they finaly do it just to stop wasting time.
Just get out.
They should have just went the WoW way of letting people buy ESO tokens for 20$ each and selling them in game for gold, either use for a month sub without the 1500 crowns or 1500 crowns