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You just killed Khajiit (Dunmer hits harder with Crits than Khajiit)
nsmurfer
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I don't need to get into PTS to show this.
Warrior (230 weapon damage) gives me bigger crits than Shadow (9% crit dmg on live)
So, somebody tell me if 230 weapon damage gives bigger crits than 9 % crit dmg on live, HOW THE F WILL 10% CRT DMG HIT HARDER THAN 254 WEAPON DAMAGE?
Warrior (230 weapon damage) gives me bigger crits than Shadow (9% crit dmg on live)
So, somebody tell me if 230 weapon damage gives bigger crits than 9 % crit dmg on live, HOW THE F WILL 10% CRT DMG HIT HARDER THAN 254 WEAPON DAMAGE?
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭dont forget this flat weapon dmg buff will also apply to noncrit hits while crit damage...uhh only to crits which we have lost %chance on khajiit with this so dunmer will get additional benefit if his passive as we wont have 100% crit chance everywhere and everytime if it would be even possible now1 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭Lol good maths and comparision man, cheers smoke another on me mate
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yea the problem is crit chance and rng gives khajiit worse dps unless your rotation is super top notch robot perfect.
So I agree khajiit got hosed big time in the consistency for dps department.Edited by Katahdin on February 11, 2019 7:55PMBeta tester November 20133 -
nsmurfer✭✭✭✭✭I mean just look at the Mundus Stones. THief - 7% crit chance. Shadow - 13% crit dmg. How does 8% crit chance gets replace by 10% crit dmg4
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GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭my kitty nb ganker loves this change lol. we back!Edited by GarnetFire17 on February 11, 2019 8:03PM1
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burglar✭✭✭✭They're balancing the game, not just the races by making these changes. Both races are going to advantages in certain styles of play. If you're concerned about pure numbers, why not just change races?Bosmer Melee Magicka Nightblade1 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »Shadow was raised to 13%
thats why I was hoping to use again instead of lover on my khajiits..but isntead I thinkn now about weak thiev or still lover as after this change I wont even hit 60% crit with dual dagger (no meta gear, no summerset)2 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »Shadow was raised to 13%
thats why I was hoping to use again instead of lover on my khajiits..but isntead I thinkn now about weak thiev or still lover as after this change I wont even hit 60% crit with dual dagger (no meta gear, no summerset)
khajiits are supposed be gankers, thet are cats that hide and stalk their pray and kill you before you can do anything. Makes them perfect nbs with the high guaranteed crit damage you get from shadowy disguise. Not it works like that because of the tanky builds but it at least is is a decent way to play again.Edited by GarnetFire17 on February 11, 2019 8:08PM0 -
p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't need to get into PTS to show this.
Warrior (230 weapon damage) gives me bigger crits than Shadow (9% crit dmg on live)
So, somebody tell me if 230 weapon damage gives bigger crits than 9 % crit dmg on live, HOW THE F WILL 10% CRT DMG HIT HARDER THAN 254 WEAPON DAMAGE?
You shouldn't run Warrior or Shadow if you are not using TFS set, otherwise Lover mundus is far superior to all the rest on stamina DPS builds. And if you use TFS set you will find that Khajiit & Dunmer are similar.
Dummies numbers are a big lie that doesn't apply in real gameplay, especially in vet content when high penetration is must.
Similarly to Maces are better than Daggers (even with +90% crit damage) if the (especially vet) target doesn't have >6800 armour debuff on them.Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on February 11, 2019 8:19PM1 -
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✭✭✭I have long considered.
At the end.. i come to the conlusion, it is a good change. Not for the Khajiit compared with the PTS Patch before but for the Balance. The Khajiit Changes were to lifted on the patch before. Now they are closer to the other races and have a part where they are stronger than other races. I am satisfied.Edited by Soldier224 on February 11, 2019 8:12PMMan muss realistisch sein - Neunfinger Logan (First Law Trilogy)
RP Guide: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/431297/rp-guide-aus-persoenlicher-sicht-was-ist-rp
Für alle Einbrecher Tamriels oder die die es werden wollen:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/313750/diebestouren-guide-effektiver-diebstahl-in-teso (veraltet)
Überblick über die Häuser der Dunmer (Enthält Interpretationen/Für Diskussionen offen):
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GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭there is as sweet spot when it comes to penetration
I think it's like 9k I think or something. You don't want to be over 9000 too much. You can get there with sprigaans and CP or maces, you don't really need lover. 0 -
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✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »there is as sweet spot when it comes to penetration I think it's like 9k I think or something. You don't want to be over 9000 too much. You can get there with sprigaans and CP or maces, you don't really need lover.
However Sprigaans isn't that good set. You get less pen than Lover (on 5 legendary divines) while takes a damage dealing set slot, like Briar, VH or Automaton. Which give more damage than the Warrior Mundus with even 7 legendary divines let alone 5.1 -
hazzer6x✭✭I'm actually quite happy with the changes to my Khajiit Stam Sorc.
Live: https://imgur.com/a/8H9JTca
PTS:https://imgur.com/a/klfszgu
Seems like the only thing we really lost was a bit of crit, but I've always thought that it was a bit powerful. Nice, but powerful.[PC / EU member since April '14]
My Characters (CP ~700):
Dar'ahzra (Main) - Stamina Nightblade - Style Master
Do'ahzra - Stamina Sorcerer - Stormproof
Jo'ahzra - Stamina Warden - Monster Hunter
Dro'ahzra - Stamina Dragonknight - Veteran
Ri'ahzra - Stamina Templar - Dominion Hero2 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm actually quite happy with the changes to my Khajiit Stam Sorc.
Live: https://imgur.com/a/8H9JTca
PTS:https://imgur.com/a/klfszgu
Seems like the only thing we really lost was a bit of crit, but I've always thought that it was a bit powerful. Nice, but powerful.
you know 50% crit for builds like stamina and especially after this change for khajiit is very low?
now on live 60% is that minimum crit chance I think to have good numbers while 50% is just not enough0 -
Grymmoire✭✭✭✭Am I mistaken or was the Shadow mundus on the PTS proposed to be raised to 13% critical damage now, or is it now changed to 10%? I am confused at the numbers being thrown around here.Edited by Grymmoire on February 11, 2019 8:46PM0 -
milesrodneymcneely2_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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Does that hold true for both PvE and PvP?GarnetFire17 wrote: »there is as sweet spot when it comes to penetration I think it's like 9k I think or something. You don't want to be over 9000 too much. You can get there with sprigaans and CP or maces, you don't really need lover.0 -
DarkPicture✭✭✭✭✭At first lets go test it, but generally as nb I have 70% crit chance as altmer, with khajiit be the same but I will have 68% crit dmg instead 58% for loosing 258 sd if we compare both from pts. So, it isnt nerf. Someone can say "altmer can choose shadow with 13%" ok but khajiit wil do the same thing and at the end u will have 71% vs 81% so...
on pts shadow gives you 13% if nothing will change.
And without thief Im hitting 58,5% with thief 68,7% (purple body and jewelry and without zaan/iceheart) on magplar, nb gives you a bit more crit chance... so khajiit will be broken.
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Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Susmitds did the calculations, to match the 4.3.2 crit chance benefits with this new passive, you need 99% crit chance...
Now Khajiit is going to fall behind in stam and mag dps both
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/458613/khajiit-4-3-2-critical-hit-chance-vs-khajiit-4-3-3-critical-hit-damage-breakdown-analysis#latestEdited by Jhalin on February 11, 2019 8:50PM1 -
Zathras✭✭✭✭✭Oh my god please stop with the race change hysteria.
Aren't there enough threads on this to whinge on?For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen. - Douglas Adams
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✭Sorry to ask, but where can I find all the change made in PTS right now ?
Is there a thread than I've miss ? Or I've no choice to DL the PTS to stay tune ?[ PC EU ]
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✭✭so the op says that if a templar or nightblade khajiit previously had 10% crit dmg from class and now getting 10% more from racial...its worse than 8% spell/phys crit? so 20%<10% crit dmg? O_O! last I checked if u over 60% crit chance ur good...and u can get that with current setups ezpz...0 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »so the op says that if a templar or nightblade khajiit previously had 10% crit dmg from class and now getting 10% more from racial...its worse than 8% spell/phys crit? so 20%<10% crit dmg? O_O! last I checked if u over 60% crit chance ur good...and u can get that with current setups ezpz...
20%<10% crit dmg while also sacrifacing 8% of crit chance
in shorth 8% crit chance is better than 10% additional crit dmg if you havnt build for insance crit chance
like for me for example now on live I have just 60% crit with axe+dagger, with this change I will have only 52% cirt chance or 57% if I will also drop my axe and I will still have missing few % to get minimum 60% of crit chance without meta gear
so in situation like this I or go for meta even more forced or even more gtfo from dps (I feel like Im going to backk pre-morrowind where all stamina dps was unusable but now just this would be that bad)1 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭10% is honestly pretty low. 15% would be more fair or do something like 5% crit chance and 5% crit damage.0
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✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »10% is honestly pretty low. 15% would be more fair or do something like 5% crit chance and 5% crit damage.
I agree feline grace would be better with a 5-5 crit chance/dmg spread lol1
