You just killed Khajiit (Dunmer hits harder with Crits than Khajiit)

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

@Edziu well I always go for meta or at least when I used to play stamblade...combat crit with rele/ay/veli its @80% so I guess -8% at that point its not that much loss while u get 10% more crit dmg...but what do I know now? im just a tank

Juhasow

Ehh ESO forums vs math...

nsmurfer

nsmurfer wrote: »

Khajiit No-CP

Dunmer No-CP

Khajiit CP

Dunmer CP with HP equalized

Dunmer CP with no HP equalization


Simplification

Khajiit No-CP - 4913 crit dmg
Dunmer No-CP - 4887 crit dmg
Khajiit CP - 6201 crit dmg
Dunmer CP with HP equalized - 6215 crit dmg
Dunmer CP with no HP equalized (already had 17k+ HP, so not needed) - 6776 crit dmg

@ZOS_Gilliam @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RobGarrett @Masel @Checkmath @Joy_Division

Please don't tell me this is intended!!! Dunmer/Orc/Altmer beating Khajiit in crit dmg means Khajiit is virtually useless. It will just get worse the higher critical dmg modifier I stack.

It is very similar to the condition of Shadow on live

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/366347/shadow-vs-warrior-apprentice-whats-the-point-of-shadow

alanmatillab16_ESO

ooo another thread about Khajit vs Dunmer, my lucky night.

Play the darned game and stop being a damage meter s'wit.

Edziu

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

@Edziu well I always go for meta or at least when I used to play stamblade...combat crit with rele/ay/veli its @80% so I guess -8% at that point its not that much loss while u get 10% more crit dmg...but what do I know now? im just a tank

well for meta this isnt much change...for meta
but not everyone want or even can go for meta in today eso as we have some thing locked behind something more than dlc to which we have access by having just eso+

russelmmendoza

I will make a darkelf nightblade,

And I will call it,

THE DARKBLADE.

Aznarb

jhall03 wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

Sorry to ask, but where can I find all the change made in PTS right now ?
Is there a thread than I've miss ? Or I've no choice to DL the PTS to stay tune ?

There is a PTS sub forum

Thx, I didn't notice it, to tired probably.
I'll look at.

LiquidPony

Bruh.

First, take off your Shock enchant. Minor Vulnerability is probably skewing your tests.

Second, this all depends on your starting Weapon Damage and Crit Damage modifier values.

Let me demonstrate.

Setup:

5 x Perfect Rele, 5 x Advancing Yokeda, 2 x Velidreth. All Divines. 1 x Infused, 2 x Bloodthirsty. Nirn mainhand, Infused offhand. Lover Mundus. All Weapon Damage glyphs. Poison mainhand, Absorb Stam offhand, Infused Berserker Maelstrom bow.

CP: 66 Precise Strikes, 64 Mighty, 44 Thaum, 21 Piercing, 72 Master-at-Arms, 3 Physical Weapon Expert

These are crit hit values for light attacks.

Orc Warden
Unbuffed: 6710
Buffed with Major Brutality: 7323
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 7749
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 8412

Khajiit Warden
Unbuffed: 6629
Buffed with Major Brutality: 7222
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 7619
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 8317

Orc Sorc
Unbuffed: 7420
Buffed with Major Brutality: 8030
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8525
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9272

Khajiit Sorc
Unbuffed: 7346
Buffed with Major Brutality: 7892
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8331
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9115

Now, I'll put on Veiled Heritance instead of Advancing Yokeda and proc it:

Orc Sorc
Veiled Heritance: 7839
Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality: 8468
Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8966
Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9637

Khajiit Sorc
Veiled Heritance: 7876
Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality: 8499
Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8971
Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9691

Note that in the final set of tests, the Khajiit does more damage. You need to have sufficiently high Weapon Damage to start with. Also keep in mind that the Khajiit crit bonus will buff enchant procs, whereas the Orc/Dunmer weapon damage bonus will not, so that narrows the actual DPS gap in the prior test cases.

Azyle1

LiquidPony wrote: »

Bruh.

First, take off your Shock enchant. Minor Vulnerability is probably skewing your tests.

Second, this all depends on your starting Weapon Damage and Crit Damage modifier values.

Let me demonstrate.

Setup:

5 x Perfect Rele, 5 x Advancing Yokeda, 2 x Velidreth. All Divines. 1 x Infused, 2 x Bloodthirsty. Nirn mainhand, Infused offhand. Lover Mundus. All Weapon Damage glyphs. Poison mainhand, Absorb Stam offhand, Infused Berserker Maelstrom bow.

CP: 66 Precise Strikes, 64 Mighty, 44 Thaum, 21 Piercing, 72 Master-at-Arms, 3 Physical Weapon Expert

These are crit hit values for light attacks.

Orc Warden
Unbuffed: 6710
Buffed with Major Brutality: 7323
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 7749
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 8412

Khajiit Warden
Unbuffed: 6629
Buffed with Major Brutality: 7222
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 7619
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 8317

Orc Sorc
Unbuffed: 7420
Buffed with Major Brutality: 8030
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8525
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9272

Khajiit Sorc
Unbuffed: 7346
Buffed with Major Brutality: 7892
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8331
Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9115

Now, I'll put on Veiled Heritance instead of Advancing Yokeda and proc it:

Orc Sorc
Veiled Heritance: 7839
Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality: 8468
Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8966
Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9637

Khajiit Sorc
Veiled Heritance: 7876
Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality: 8499
Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8971
Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9691

Note that in the final set of tests, the Khajiit does more damage. You need to have sufficiently high Weapon Damage to start with. Also keep in mind that the Khajiit crit bonus will buff enchant procs, whereas the Orc/Dunmer weapon damage bonus will not, so that narrows the actual DPS gap in the prior test cases.

So.... roughly balanced? Also Veiled Heritance making a comback?

WikiMeister

LiquidPony wrote: »

Bruh.

First, take off your Shock enchant. Minor Vulnerability is probably skewing your tests.

Second, this all depends on your starting Weapon Damage and Crit Damage modifier values.

Let me demonstrate.

Setup:

5 x Perfect Rele, 5 x Advancing Yokeda, 2 x Velidreth. All Divines. 1 x Infused, 2 x Bloodthirsty. Nirn mainhand, Infused offhand. Lover Mundus. All Weapon Damage glyphs. Poison mainhand, Absorb Stam offhand, Infused Berserker Maelstrom bow.

CP: 66 Precise Strikes, 64 Mighty, 44 Thaum, 21 Piercing, 72 Master-at-Arms, 3 Physical Weapon Expert

...

Note that in the final set of tests, the Khajiit does more damage. You need to have sufficiently high Weapon Damage to start with.

Some good, impartial arithmetic and testing here, and none of the baseless doomsaying which is rampant in this particular season of ongoing Racial Reworks. Well juxtaposed.

joseayalac

I actually liked most racial changes and in many discussions I backed ZOS decissions, but this...

This change just seems stoopid.